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Requested move 11 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is that WP:SUBTITLE applies. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 13:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– I don't believe WP:SUBTITLE applies here. It states that "be aware that many modern titles (especially those that are part of a series, for example Dune: The Butlerian Jihad) often contain subtitles that are a central part of the name of the work". This is the case with these games, as the subtitle specifies they are set in and linked to the League of Legends universe and are part of the same "series" of Riot Forge games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 19:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this seems very different from the example Dune: The Butlerian Jihad. The subtitle isn't necessary to identify the work; it is simply additional context. Walt Yoder (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's reversed, but still relevant. "Dune: The Butlerian Jihad" would not be fitting at a page called The Butlerian Jihad. That is the equivalent of cutting down the title to simply "Ruined King", etc. The "part of a series" applies here - this is removing the series delineator. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Dune: The Butlerian Jihad is a terrible example since unlike any of these works that is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term Dune.--65.93.194.183 (talk) 05:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support only helps readers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How does it help readers? The existing redirects should stay. I'm missing something here perhaps. Andrewa (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes, i agree. Also this page not contained category Video games featuring female protagonists? 31.148.163.153 (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: WP:CONCISE is the general rule, and I don't see a good reason to deviate from it here. WP:SUBTITLE says central part of the name of the work, not central part of the name of the series. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all. Unnecessary disambiguation and confusing punctuation. If other examples really do something similar, then they should be fixed, as two wrongs do not make a right. And if the guidelines really do indicate that we should include the subtitle, then they need fixing too. However if these subtitled names are common, they should exist as redirects, and they already do. Andrewa (talk) 22:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As stated above, it's not unnecessary as it clarifies they are all from the same series. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace is not called The Phantom Menace because that wouldn't make a whole ton of sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all per WP:SUBTITLE, following WP:CONCISE. I think a good analogy is that we have an article at Rogue One with Rogue One: A Star Wars Story redirecting there, but we have Solo: A Star Wars Story with the subtitle added for disambiguation, which is not necessary for the articles in this case. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Rogue One example doesn't even make much sense. Its WP:COMMONNAME is "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" as seen on almost every website and review. [1] [2] [3]. I can't quite comprehend the argument that it should be moved to "Rogue One" because that's the common name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean, should? It's under the title Rogue One right now! jlwoodwa (talk) 08:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I probably phrased that poorly, I meant the argument that it "shouldn't be moved away from" (as per the 2018 move discussion) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.