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Requested move 30 October 2024

It has been proposed in this section that October 2024 Spain floods be renamed and moved to 2024 Spain floods.

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October 2024 Spain floods → 2024 Spain floods – Remove unnecessary disambiguator.　Family27390 (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – There's now 100+ deaths and it seems if people search "2024 Spain floods" they would expect this one instead, Maybe still early to say though, but hey, I could see it having major effects in the region for years to come. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Floods will continue after October 31 Miiversal (talk) 12:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the page and its history should be moved to the "2024 Spain floods" page there aren't any other articles about flooding in Spain this year (so adding October to the title is rather unnecessary). In the "2024 Spain floods" page itself, I edited it into a redirect myself for the "2024 European floods" article, earlier this month. Quake1234 (talk) 13:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Moondragon21 (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2024 European floods#Spain There was notable flooding in Spain in June 2024. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "2024 Spain floods" article used to be about that event, but since the event itself didn't feel that significant, and with the page itself feeling too short and lacking, I changed it into a redirect. We could put the June 2024 flooding in the new article, though. Quake1234 (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a strong chance the event will continue into Friday which would make the "October" qualifier inaccurate anyway. Valenciano (talk) 21:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree: Based on current weather predictions, it appears that continuous rainfall will impact Spain well into November, so changing the name of this article to 2024 Spain floods would probably be best. A separate section could be added for June flooding while still maintaining emphasis on the Cold drop-caused flash flooding and its consequences in the main paragraph. Noble Attempt (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree. Wikipedia does not predict the future. The heavy rain is gone for the moment, most of the water has rapidly flowed to the sea. DovaModaal (talk) 06:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Rain has stopped. Keeping 'October' is more appropriate. Pinareño1970 (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not true that the rain has stopped. Andalusia is still facing heavy rainfall and the AEMET has forecast that the instability will continue through the weekend. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the whole article is mentioned only "October". I'll agree with the move when the rest of the months are mentioned (like here) Tajotep (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree to make the article broader. There is one single major meteorological event starting on 29 octobre 2024. The title should be changed to reflect that single meteorological situation and its effects (with floods in several places). DovaModaal (talk) 06:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"2024 Spain floods" sounds good article name to me, so i agree with it Bakhos2010 (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Also a hatnote like: could make sense, if it's not merged into this article. Nobody (talk) 09:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — The article October 2024 Spain floods covers specific floods that stand out from the other floods in Spain in 2024, because they are the deadliest floods there in many years, so a separate article seems appropriate. And as long as the floods don't have a proper name the descriptive article title seems appropriate as well. – Editør (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify: I don't believe all floods in Spain from 2024 should be grouped with this article's topic, because these specific floods merit a standalone article. And only now that it is November, I believe this article should be renamed and get a more accurate title such as October-November 2024 Spain floods or preferably a proper name for the flood if it exists already. – 10:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC) Editør (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is 31 October and the floods won't stop today. Felicia (talk) 18:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is now 1 November and there are still red and orange weather warnings in place for floods and heavy rain. I think it's fair to say that this is the primary topic for floods in Spain in 2024, as opposed to the much more minor instances earlier in the year. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I completely agree with this.

Please name it 2024 Spain Floods.

And there is no way to merge this into the European page, Spain has suffered +90% of the 2024 flood disasters in Europe. This deserves a separate article.

This can be the biggest natural disaster in the modern history of Spain. 84.125.71.231 (talk) 10:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is the biggie. Ericoides (talk) 14:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on the title, but under no circumstances should it be grouped with content about other instances of floods in 2024 beyond the October-November timescale that relates to the cut-off low's synoptic length-scale, in Spain or elsewhere.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move to proposed title but I may go for 2024 Autumnal Spain floods based on the season this disaster is happening. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looking at how a similar article is named in the language of those affected (Spanish Wikipedia) there is no mention of the month. Anagnorisis (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: speedy keep as there is already an active move request. (non-admin closure) Aydo h8^[contribs] 23:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2024 Spain floods → 2024 Valencia flood – There is already an article named 1957 Valencia flood, about a previous event like the one just happened in Valencia. Also, the great flood event is limited to Valencia so it's unnecessary to name the event after the country itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.0.253.176 (talk) 14:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That wouldn't be appropriate. While the event is centred on Valencia region there has been significant disruption outside there too and deaths of people. This is detailed in the article. Valenciano (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose There is already a discussion above and that proposed move makes more sense. Felicia (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Further expand Paiporta information

I can't cite any sources on this right now, but over 50 of the deaths have been in Paiporta. It is arguably one of the most affected places. Houses have been destroyed, and there's people likely dead in underground garages, and they have still not been found.

I will try to add some information about this myself sometime in the future, but it would be nice if someone could begin researching this topic to find some official sources.

I know I am not an official source, but I live very nearby to that area and have close friends there. MrCiteYourSources (talk) 22:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I urge anyone here to add sources to newly added information ModernDaySlavery (talk) 06:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use trans title for refs in Spanish

This article has many sources written in Spanish. Only a few show the title in English as well. Copy the Spanish title into Google translate (or other translation app) then copy that translation. Add trans-title= to the ref, placing the translation after the =. The translation will appear in single square brackets after the Spanish title in the Reference.

Not all English speakers can read Spanish and this is English Wikipedia. I added two trans-titles, and see there are many more in need of them. - - Prairieplant (talk) 07:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't copy Google Translate without editing or understanding the translation. See WP:MACHINETRANSLATION. 174.94.28.189 (talk) 08:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out, I've added title translations throughout the article. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto on not using Google Translate for transtitles, as someone whose job involves foreign languages, it is woeful for understanding nuance and context, and it sticks out like a sore thumb when someone has been relying on it. If I have to use references on Wikipedia in languages I do not know, I do not write the trans title myself as I can't trust a machine on it. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thirded, I've come across too many bad machine translations by monolingual people to trust it. Speaking of translation issues: when translating the titles, I left "DANA" as is, but should I instead translate it to "cold drop" for the benefit of anglophones? The acronym may not be understood as well by people that don't speak Spanish. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see English sources using DANA [1] [2] so I guess it's OK, pretty much a proper noun. When it's referred to particularly as a 'gota fría', I'd turn that to 'cold drop' as that's what the page is titled. But the thing is translation is not arithmetic and different answers suit different people. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I often end up having to choose between the most literal and most understandable with translations like this. Thanks for the English sources, I'll keep it as is for now. :) --Grnrchst (talk) 15:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

convert infobox image from pdf to image

the images are very informative. i've added similar European Union ERCC – Emergency Response Coordination Centre pdfs to 2024 Central European floods. what's a way we could get auto-generated images from the pdfs? this would help i think, so that when users tap the image for greater detail, they're not directed to a separate file details of pdf page Johnfreez (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inkscape can import the PDF and preferably export as SVG to upload to Wikimedia Commons. 174.94.28.189 (talk) 00:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]