Talk:Nuclear Gandhi

What?

"In doing so Jon could not know about Gandhi's alleged aggressiveness in first Civilization" - why? This is not implied by the preceding statements and the statement itself offers no clue why this might be. There is a statement after this that might provide the answer, but if that is the case, the quoted statement should be made at that point. Maury Markowitz (talk)

• @Maury Markowitz: "and the statement itself offers no clue why this might be" - well, the idea behind this statement is "Jon's joke was not a Civ1 reference - he did not hear a 255-overflow story". That's basically Sid's statement - maybe the only reason he wrote this is because he knew that the story was fabriated. Maybe he also referenced the fact that Jon's first Civ game to develop was CivIII. Facenapalm (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

We cannot know that he didn't hear that story until the next paragraph, if at all. So if this statement is saying he didn't know it because the story wasn't out yet, then the statement should be made after that is mentioned. But now I'm confused about something else, who is the "he" in "only reason he wrote this"? Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

> who is the "he" in "only reason he wrote this
Sid. "maybe the only reason Sid wrote this is because Sid knew that the story was fabriated". Sorry, English is not my native language, I sometimes struggle to be clear. Facenapalm (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that one of the most recognizable video game glitches, a bug that forced Mahatma Gandhi in Civilization to use nuclear weapons heavily, had never actually existed?
  • ALT1:... that unproved information from a Wiki project, telling that Mahatma Gandhi in Civilization video game was a nuclear weapon enthusiast, caused a collective false memory?
  • ALT2:... that a bug which is used in Harvard University as an example of integer overflow was fabricated?

Created by Facenapalm (talk). Self-nominated at 08:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

New enough, long enough, well cited. Good to go. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Needs a thorough copyedit, but not DYK related. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Bug description

I cleaned up a few grammatical errors a few days ago, but the whole section needs a rewrite for clarity. Reading it, I am confused as to 1) what was the behavior of the game alleged to be versus what was the actual behavior of the game and 2) what rumors said the programming was versus what the programmer claims it was (and whether his memories of such were correct). --Khajidha (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

"Our words are backed with nuclear weapons!" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Our words are backed with nuclear weapons!. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 11#Our words are backed with nuclear weapons! until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

When did the meme start?

The article says that the so-called bug that formed the meme was first mentioned in 2012, two years after Civ V came out, but the Civ V Easter egg is referencing the meme. I assume the intent is that the meme existed before the 'explanation', but when did the meme itself gain traction? FredMSloniker (talk) 16:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

• I can find evidence of the meme from pre-Civ V, such as this music video (released after Civ V, but only by two days, and using only gameplay footage from the earlier games in the series) referencing Gandhi's supposed nuke-happy tendencies, and this forum thread from 2006 in which several posters assert that Gandhi likes launching nukes but is also generally aggressive and prone to backstabbing the player across all of the Civ games. There doesn't seem to be any reference from the bug before 2012, and I can't find any evidence that Gandhi actually was programmed, either intentionally or not, to be super-aggressive (either in general or specifically with nukes) in any of the games before Civ V, but the meme of "Gandhi will nuke you in civ" definitely existed before then. 76.146.193.128 (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

What's with the weird sourcing?

The original exposure of the myth was done by the People Make Games YouTube channel, in this video. Despite this, we are sourcing that to a dodgy Russian source that itself just links back to the video anyway. I believe that this is a misapplication of WP:SPS and we should just cite the video directly. It's a perfectly reliable source because, among other things, it directly interviews the developers who say there was no bug. Loki (talk) 19:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

They seem to come from the Russian article on the topic, it's probably fine to just replace them. Noellekiq (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Note that both of those sources (DTF and 3DNews) are listed at WP:VG/RS's Russian version (Google Translate). The two DTF sources are both editorials (with a ✔), but it seems like the checkmark doesn't load on Google Translate, only on the original URL. IMO it's appropriate to cite these articles, though citing the original video in addition may also make sense. (And it seems like the article does also cite the video elsewhere; probably it'd be fine to re-use the same footnote for the other uses.) --Pokechu22 (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hoax or urban legend?

The article lead has used both terms, but unless we know the intention of "Tunafish" when they added the paragraph to TVTropes in 2012, can we really say that this was a deliberate hoax?

Minus that knowledge it seems safer to say that it's an urban legend - one that was either picked up and repeated on TVTropes, or which started there. Belbury (talk) 15:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Glitch

Hey @User:Fragglet. I undid your edit because it doesn't make a lot of sense after your deletion. I pressed enter before I finished my edit summary, so if you want to discuss or disagree, we can do that here. I think while it is a fictional computer glitch, it is still famous for being a glitch. I don't think anyone is going to come away from this article thinking that the glitch is real; we warn that it is fictitious in multiple places, all over the page. TheSavageNorwegian 17:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)