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On 28 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from National Basketball Association to NBA. The result of the discussion was not moved.

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Kirchberg, Connie (2007). Hoop Lore: A History of the National Basketball Association. McFarland & Company. ISBN 9780786426737.
Surdam, David George (2012). The Rise of the National Basketball Association. University of Illinois Press. ISBN 9780252037139.

Broken Link

In the short section "Controversies and Criticism", the link to Havervold, Kale's article "The Darkest Moments in the History of the NBA" is broken. However, that article has been archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20191013163753/https://www.sportsbreak.com/nba/the-darkest-moments-in-the-history-of-the-nba/ Please change the reference to include the archive link. It takes a while to load. DavidGries (talk) 11:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates versus Coaches

Why are the coordinates of the arena considered an important piece of information on the list of teams? Wouldn't a listing of current Head Coaches make more sense and be more in line with how other sports are formatted? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawksfan7358: I agree that there is no reason to list coordinates. I guess it would be best if this was asked at WT:NBA since more editors will probably see it. – sbaio 15:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved the subtopic articles. There is consensus that National Basketball Association should remain as it is, as indiciated in MOS:ACROTITLE. While there are comments to rerun the other articles separately, there is a consensus to move the other articles listed in here, per WP:CONCISE and WP:SHORTFORM. – robertsky (talk) 12:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Unanimously all sources call the league "NBA". ScarletViolet (talk • contribs) 12:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose for the league's article itself, weak oppose for the others. Despite sources almost always using the initials for North American sports leagues, that does not necessarily make the initials the common name. O.N.R. ^(talk) 13:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose since that is the standard for organizations and that is why redirects are created for easily recognizable abbreviations of such organizations. In addition, the nominator is making false claim in its nomination, because certainly not "all sources" use NBA. Even the league itself uses "National Basketball Association" in its press releases. – sbaio 13:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving the main National Basketball Association article. Historical consensus for that page and the other main North American sports league articles has been to strictly follow MOS:ACROTITLE and WP:AT § Avoid ambiguous abbreviations, and thus avoid those abbreviations. As Sbaio implied above, these leagues and some media sources may still use the full names. And these abbreviations may not necessarily be recognizable outside the United States and Canada. As for the other detailed articles, I am neutral and they could be considered seperately as to whether they could be abbreviated like 2023–24 NBA season, because those more detailed page titles give additional specific context. Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ScarletViolet: Consider striking National Basketball Association from the list, given MOS:ACROTITLE. The rest might be less controversial.—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 to this suggestion. 162 etc. (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Bagumba's suggestion to keep National Basketball Association the same. But we can shorten for the rest. As the creator of List of National Basketball Association career 3-point field goal percentage leaders and List of National Basketball Association team presidents, I think it would look better with the shortened "List of NBA team presidents". When reading the titles and trying to determine the contents of these articles, reading the full name (National Basketball Association) takes up too much space and distracts from what we are attempting to decipher. My guess is most people type in the abbreviated "NBA" in search engines anyways. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment At this point, some !voters have worked around it by itemizing which pages they disagree on moving, while supporting the rest. —Bagumba (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for all but the main page (National Basketball Association) per above. Note that List of NBA team owners, NBA high school draftees, Eligibility for the NBA draft and several others are ALREADY abbreviated. There should be a standard form, whether long form or short form. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ScarletViolet, FYI you did not include List of National Basketball Association general managers and many other NBA articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScarletViolet, if consensus supported the moves, we should require the same for WNBA-related articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, even the NFL, MLB, NHL, etc. ScarletViolet (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving main National Basketball Association page, Support moving the others. Rikster2 (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose National Basketball Association → NBA. No opinion on the rest, but consider withdrawing and starting a new RM for them. Srnec (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving the names of any of these articles. Catfurball (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from the page National Basketball Association itself, why? —Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Next best option. which should not be controversial, is creating redirects similar to NBA → National Basketball Association. Some of them do not have the concise redirect. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's consistent with {{R from initialism}} —Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all except standalone National Basketball Association The main National Basketball Association page's existing name is consistent with MOS:ACROTITLE and its Central Intelligence Agency example (...in view of arguments that the full name is used in professional and academic publications). The full "National Basketball Association" expansion can be seen on The New York Times, for example. For the others, where NBA is part of a longer descriptive title, the WP:CONCISE policy seems more applicable. The desciptive titles aren't ambiguous, as they are basketball specific. There are other longstanding examples such as NBA All-Star Game, NBA Finals, and NBA draft, where the meaning is clear, and the primary topic of NBA is anyways the basketball league.—Bagumba (talk) 04:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all but National Basketball Association – The abbreviation is used far more extensively; many news articles from sites without overly strict style guidelines don't even mention the full name of the league at all. Sounder Bruce 06:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all except National Basketball Association. -- ZooBlazer 06:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Basketball has been notified of this discussion. -- ZooBlazer 06:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sports has been notified of this discussion. -- ZooBlazer 06:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose main article per Britannica, unsure on others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all – the same case with FIFA. Those who oppose, what do non-English speaking people call it? You never see English speakers refer FIFA as Fédération internationale de football association, so why should NBA?

SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia. It's out of scope what non-English speakers call the National Basketball Association. —Bagumba (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The acronym "NBA" is globally associated with the "National Basketball Associaton", so I don't see a problem with that, as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 18:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all but NBA (neutral on that one) for the sake of concision. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all but the first, per many other rationales above. Dicklyon (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all but the first, in agreement with Dicklyon & others on this. GoodDay (talk) 23:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leave the main article, move the others per just about everyone else. oknazevad (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all except the first, don't want to be left out in case there's a dinner. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all but the first, and at the dinner I want the prize for being the first to mention WP:SHORTFORM and the examples therein. (Bagumba mentioned CIA, but not WP:SHORTFORM.)
- Central Intelligence Agency, but CIA activities in Vietnam and List of CIA station chiefs, not Central Intelligence Agency activities in Vietnam or List of Central Intelligence Agency station chiefs
- Federal Bureau of Investigation, but FBI files on Elvis Presley and FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, not Federal Bureau of Investigation files on Elvis Presley and Federal Bureau of Investigation Ten Most Wanted Fugitives

—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all except the first, per nominator and for reasons listed by others above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongly Oppose All —What about the National Hockey League, Major League Baseball, & the National Football League? They don't use Acronyms.
PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are countless examples of acronyms used in NHL/NFL/NBA -> NHL Entry Draft, NBA draft, 2022 NFL draft. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Completely unnecessary and adds needless ambiguity. Abbreviations are usually best avoided for article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NecrothespNecrothesp what if it's wrong?

PS: my keyboard is bugging out. PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong=Long PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What if it is? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmmm... Maybe PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is the opposition assuming the readers are 2 years old and learning world sports culture for the first time? If so, it does not take a rocket scientist to put two and two together... or perhaps these newcomers should avoid these one-off pages and start out at the main articles then to learn the basics first before diving into these more esoteric topics. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2024

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When discussing the NBA it should be edited to reflect that it's referring to a men's only league. The rhetoric does not clarify that clearly while reading it. It's barbaric to assume it refers to men only.

It should also reflect the history of gender exclusivity and the development of the women's league as women's rights improved 2604:3D08:B77D:C300:F182:1B9C:238:BAEE (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Men's" added back to lead in line with prior discussion at WT:NBA. All the rest is POV-pushing and will not be added. oknazevad (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NBA does not enforce a men's only policy. For example, Luisa Harris was selected in the 1977 NBA draft.—Myasuda (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Meyers tried out for the NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oknazevad: Can you link to the prior discussion? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to find it in the WT:NBA archives. I remember the discussion, and the big thrust was that the 70s examples are irrelevant as they are from decades before the establishment of the WNBA. The NBA is de facto a men's league. It's a plain fact. oknazevad (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Characterizing the NBA as a men's league is simply wrong, regardless of any prior discussion. It gives the erroneous impression that women are forbidden from playing in the NBA. If there was a woman with Chamberlain or Jordan type skills, the league would have no problem with her sitting on any team's roster. There are age restrictions regarding draftees, but no gender based rules regarding who can be admitted to the league. It's not the MNBA -- just the NBA.—Myasuda (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct location for Brooklyn Nets and New York Knicks

According to the individual pages for these two teams, the locations are listed as Brooklyn, New York for the Nets and New York, New York for the Knicks, which match what's listed on this page. So, should they remain as is, or should the location for the Nets be changed to New York City as well, since Brooklyn is a borough of the city? Alielmi1207 (talk) 13:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]