Talk:Marcus Rashford/Archive 1

Archive 1

"Sir" title

The article uses "Sir Marcus Rashford" even though he has not been knighted. An MBE does not entitle a person to be a "Sir". This should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.73.160.217 (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Assists

Put assists in the table Joshua269 (talk) 16:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

We don't track assists on Wikipedia, so it won't be done. JMHamo (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2016

Please change rashfords goals to 4 and appearances to 2. Adcorocks (talk) 23:26, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done As infobox clearly states, it is league matches only. Qed237 (talk) 00:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Debut

Is it worth mentioning that, when he played against Midjylland at the last minute, he was so unknown that he didn't even have a Wikipedia page (my initial attempts to find out anything about him were thwarted by this)--MartinUK (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

No footballer has a wikipedia page until they have played in a fully proffesional match. Nothing notable about that. Qed237 (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2016

update Rashford's league appearances from 6 to 7 and league goals scored from 3 to 4. Also update season totals (12 and 7), and and career totals to same as revised season totals. Gerrys112 (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done - by another - we do not update stats before the end of a match, but they are usually updated within the hour - Arjayay (talk) 19:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

Date for first international goal at senior level should read 2016 not 2015 66.152.79.250 (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Honours

Milk Cup is missing from his list of honours.

"After helping United retain the Milk Cup in 2014" http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/Marcus-Rashford.aspx?pageNo=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.246.169 (talk) 09:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not missing, we just don't list youth team honours. – PeeJay 09:58, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2016

Change his height to 6'1" (185 cm). I know there is not any serious proof but he does look 185 in pictures and everybody keeps saying the same thing, at least on SoFIFA. 194.132.181.110 (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

No, where is your source? – PeeJay 11:03, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

You can't say "he looks 185cm", that's not a valid source. – PeeJay 20:57, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Well how about these pictures then,

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/45/3f/ce/453fce2ed1c6be924b3e53529a396ad2.jpg

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/marcus-rashford-jesse-lingard-henrikh-mkhitaryan-juan-mata-luke-shaw-picture-id579175942

http://images0.minutemediacdn.com/production/912x516/574d843fd549c79848000001.jpg

Hopefully they work

No, because then I'd be the one saying "he looks 185cm". Show me a reliable source that specifically states his height. – PeeJay 13:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2016

On 28th September 2016 Marcus Rashford was nominated for Goldenboy award. http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/Sep/manchester-united-striker-marcus-rashford-nominated-for-golden-boy-award.aspx ReEditing (talk) 04:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I'm been doing} 06:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

update goals for MU please

he is on 31 now, not the 16 shown in the info box — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:216:7400:F198:7AB2:670D:7E0F (talk) 12:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

The Infobox shows League goals scored only. JMHamo (talk) 12:34, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Marcus Rashford height being same for over a year. Even though its changed.

Change Marcus Rashford height from 5"11 to 6"1. According to "https://www.celebheights.com/s/Marcus-Rashford-50259.html" He's 6"1 and according to several other sources too he is 6"1. Shahlan Saleem (talk) 12:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Maybe provide a better source then. CelebHeights.com doesn't look particularly reliable to me. – PeeJay 12:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2018

Marcus Rashfords shirt number is now 10 not 19. 2A00:23C5:7DA8:C800:648E:1A90:44D0:20F3 (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Says who? – PeeJay 18:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

As the MUTV commentator said just now, all squad numbers are subject to change until they're registered with the Premier League in a week or so. Marcus Rashford may be wearing #10 tonight, but that doesn't mean he'll definitely wear that number in competitive matches this season. – PeeJay 18:27, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2019

Marcus Rashford Is not 5"11 tall,he is like almost like 6"1 or 1.84cm tall that's obvious! 185.200.214.177 (talk) 14:54, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Have you got a source for that? All the most recent published sources say he's 5'11". – PeeJay 15:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

He is a versatile forward, who often plays as a striker, and is capable of playing on either flank, due to his ability with either foot] He is capable of cutting into the centre onto his stronger right foot from the left wing, He is also able to play in the centre as a main striker, due to his composure, clinical finishing, and eye for goal. A highly skilful player, Rashford is also known for his excellent dribbling ability, as well as his explosive acceleration, agility, quick feet, and creativity when in possession of the ball sudden changes of pace or direction to beat opponents in one on one situations.

Raeesm (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:06, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Raeesm: You need to provide reliable source as citation if you want to add more detail to the "style of play" section of this article. Matthew hk (talk) 14:44, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Height

Dan Walker noted claimed height 5' 11" on this article not reasonable on 14 September 2019.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

the 6ft 1in Rashford continues to impress with his game-breaking blend of directness, dribbling and pace. --EchetusXe 13:53, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou. Certainly a reliable source and closer to the mark ... the only thing I would comment is that it is from 31 October 2017 just before he was twenty and does not say when the measurement is made. From my limited quick google there usually not a lot of growth past age 20 but perhaps ManU stretch their youngsters or deliberately under report their height to gain an advantage over the opposition. I wonder if there is a higher source? Djm-leighpark (talk)

I observe the contentious disputed height of 5' 11" has been returned to the infobox without notification of the issue in the article. Per WP:BLP this is contentious and a higher height is mentioned at an interview at [[1]] which Rashford himself being quoted as saying ... "Oh yeah. My body’s still growing and developing, so I might still feel aches and pains. I’ve just turned 19, and I’m 6ft 1/2in.". In the circumstances I am removing the information from the Infobox. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Style of play

Marcus Rashford has played for a while now. Throughout his career he has been known for his electric pace, ability to beat players and his free kick accuracy. This season he has been compared a lot to Cristiano Ronaldo by sporting pundits. He needs a style of play coloumn BallerAntz (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

He is also an assist ptovider Masalilawangu (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

WINGER-FORWARD,HEIGHT

He is a winger-forward buddy and please let us know his height. EDIFICO (talk) 14:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Who are you talking to? – PeeJay 15:08, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2020

Grammar corrections, Country statistics update HarryPotterSuperfan1 (talk) 05:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

You can suggest edits here on this talk page on the form "Please change X to Y". – Thjarkur (talk) 09:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Notable charity work

Can someone pelease just add “Saint Rashford of Manchester” under his name. He deserves it and we all need a bit of humour right about now! ManchesterSocialism (talk) 17:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure we all applaud the accomplishment, but no, we can't add that to the article. If it gets added, it will be swiftly removed. – PeeJay 20:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Height

What is his height,i have been looking at so many places,at most it tells me 1.8 m,so guys can we reach a fixed height for him soon? EDIFICO (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Starting a new section with a duplicate section header is at besta lack of due dilligence. Why doesn't someone asked Dan Walker who raised this issue in the first place, or someone ask Manchester United or something. There is possibly really to stop using a Template:Circa with a cite and a note with link to Dan Walker's query on Football Focus indicate the dubiousness of the measurement, I'm sure that's what Fred Attock would have done. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

2A02:C7F:9416:6600:813D:9FD0:A3FF:883E (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

ok

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Add MBE after his name 2A00:23C5:DA91:4000:DC71:F0A8:7F74:DAB4 (talk) 09:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

It's already there, both in the article lead and in the infobox. Where else should it be? ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2021

the report on Rashford after Euro 2020 final is wrong: the phrase "He was chosen to take the team's third penalty during the subsequent shoot-out but his effort was saved by goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma" need to be changed to "He was chosen to take the team's third penalty during the subsequent shoot-out but his effort hit the post"

(third penalty was not saved by Donnarumma, Rashford missed it hitting the post) Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/11/sports/soccer/euro-2020-final-england-italy-penalties.html Zerokilled (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done  A S U K I T E  13:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Height

He is listed 180 cm but looking at the pics he looks 185 cm tall. I'm sure we will have soon datas of 185 cm--92.59.102.204 (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

"He looks XXcm" is hardly a valid source... – PeeJay 21:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I think Rashford must be 191cm as I saw a photo of Rashford next to Thierry Henry, who is 6’2”. Rashford is taller. Mvalm (talk) 19:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

As I said, your perception of a photo is not a reliable source. – PeeJay 20:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Mvalm Sinc when does Wikipedia work like that? We don't base heights off of what people think. You need a reliable source to say he is actually 1.85 m. Im also surprised how you decided to answer out of nowhere four years later. 71.208.32.185 (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah it is surely not a reliable source but it does gives an idea of how tall he is,(the pic),does it not? EDIFICO (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

You know what gives you an even better idea of how tall he is? An accurate measurement provided by a reliable source. – PeeJay 22:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Marcus Rashford's height is not 180 cm (5'11) but rather listed in the transfer market as 185 cm (6'1). Here is the reliable source which his transfer market information link, https://www.transfermarkt.us/marcus-rashford/profil/spieler/258923 If you still won't believe that, then do your own research and show me proof that he is 5'11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faiyazmustakim17 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, as its content is user-generated. His profile on the Premier League website says he is 180cm, which is good enough for me. – PeeJay 14:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

UEFA.com also says he's 180cm. Is that enough or should I carry on? – PeeJay 14:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

If anyone wants to use a particular source for Rashford's height then it is likely necessary to gain consensus for it here, if necessary raising a dispute resolution process. Arguments made on the edit summaries are likely to be reverted, especially given the existence of this discussion. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:26, 26 June 2021 (UTC) See also various height discussions on Talk:Marcus Rashford/Archive 1. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes he is 185cm Sikho Matolengwe (talk) 13:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

What is your source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I know "my eyes" aren't a source, but Lingard, who is said to be 1.75m, is not 5cm smaller than Rashford here. This picture is 1.91m Pogba, 1.94m Maguire, Rashford, and 1.94m McTominay. This picture is Rashford, 1.88m Kane, and 1.7m Sterling. And this picture is Rashford and 1.8m Sancho. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

To me he looks the same height as Pogba. But yes, our eyes are not WP:RS. So it's just WP:OR. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah absolutely. I think that, in this irregular situation where we can visibly see a reliable source is just clearly wrong, we just leave the height off altogether, as is currently the situation. The only time he has ever commented on it is, I believe, was in this interview in 2016, he says he was 6ft 1⁄2inch. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 15:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, that's when he was 19. 1.91m is 6 ft 3 in. So I guess he's grown a bit in the last 5 years. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I just realised it two days tomorrow (ie 14 Sep 2019) since Dan Walker challenged the height of Marcus Rashford given in this article on Football Focus! Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I think rashford should be 1.8m/1.81m

Search a picture of him with Sancho(1.8m) Their height is equal in the picture Agcobile Mxhonywa (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but comparing pictures of people is unreliable and counts as WP:OR. We need some WP:RS source(s), or else we just omit it. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Social activism

@Mattythewhite: you've just reliably informed me that Marcus Rashford's claim to notability isn't his social activism, yet Google Trends and Wikipedia page views indicate that that is infact what he is extremely notable for to the wider public. Bar his debut, the most searches and page views for Rashford, by a mile, are on the week he caused a Government U-turn to help poor and starving children i.e. his social activism. Denying this because ***reasons***, absolute nonsense. ItsKesha (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

If you're not happy with my "***reasons***" as you put it, feel free to bring it up at WT:FOOTY and see what other football editors think. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

If you can't even defend your reasons after minor scrutiny, what does it matter what other people will say? The mention of his social activism passes WP:SUSTAINED and MOS:ROLEBIO. Whether you want to say political activist, social activist, or campaigner, it warrants entry. ItsKesha (talk) 18:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't get how me not "defending my reasons" means that it doesn't matter "what other people will say"? Wikipedia is guided by community consensus, if you want this content to be included then it's in your interest to start a discussion and seek that consensus. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I've already started a discussion here, and you are flat-out refusing to engage. I mean, what discussion even needs to be had? If a player becomes a coach, it is mentioned. If they become a pundit or a television presenter or a commentator, it is mentioned. If they become a fitness conditioning coach or a physiotherapist, it is mentioned. If they become an owner, it is mentioned. Why shouldn't this be mentioned? Which Wikipedia policy does it go against, exactly? ItsKesha (talk) 22:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Activism vs Philanthropy

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@JIMBOB8: Please stop edit warring and discuss the change here. — Czello 16:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

We were settled on 'philanthropy' before it was recently changed without to 'activism' without any explanation. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

What explanation is necessary? It's activism. That's literally what Rashford is doing. I've tried to discuss it above but you've failed to interact. ItsKesha (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I have added a philanthropy section that discusses his actual philanthropic activities, away from the activism he has been involved with the past six months. ItsKesha (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Reverted my reversion of your edit @ItsKesha:, its important to include both for more information JIMBOB8 (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Still an activist

This phrase “Rashford has also served as an activist on the issue of child food poverty” is wrong on two counts. First "has been" indicates he no longer is active on the question, second "has served" is an expression you use for when sombeody has been elected or appointed to a position. It should quite simply say “Rashford is an activist on the issue of child food poverty”.PhilomenaO'M (talk) 13:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

That's incorrect. Has been indicated an action beginning in the past with no definite end, unless you add 'until x' it implies that it does not have a definite end...

And served only implies a service was provided, not to whom it was provided nor that they were elected. This is not just nit picking its incorrect nit picking. Wigglewortz (talk) 10:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC) Rashford is also know for being the best LW in the prem ;]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2021

Under Charity and Activism, under the subtitle Food Poverty Campaign, the final paragraph includes the following text:

In January 2021, Rashford again used his Twitter account to begin highlighting the "unacceptable" food packages parents had received through supplier Chartwells, an offspring of Compass Group,[193][194] with Johnson again pressured into conducting a review into the situation after the pair had a conversation regarding the matter;[195] during a Prime Minister's Questions on 13 January, Johnson credited Rashford as being more effective opposition than the actual Leader of the Opposition Keith Starmer, the current Leader of the Labour Party.[196]

It mistakenly names the leader of the opposition Keith and not Keir Starmer. FredTaylor1899 (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done EN-Jungwon 17:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Agent

Is this a necessary field to be included in his infobox? I am not sure when or why it was included and I don't see any prior discussion on it so wanted to raise here. I have never seen this in an infobox on a current professional footballer's article before or personality articles. I think it would be fine to include in his playing career when he signed with Roc Nation or if they helped negotiate a deal or as a note in a personal life/off the field section but seems unnecessary to be in his infobox. Any consensus? Thanks. Rupert1904 (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

The parameter exists in the {{Infobox person}} template, and Rashford's association with Roc Nation was well publicised at the time of their connection. Seems encyclopaedically valid to me. – PeeJay 02:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes and it is also discouraged in most cases from being included in an infobox and we are supposed to refrain from filling all parameters for the sake of doing so. I agree that his agent does have encyclopedic value, which is why I am fine with it being in the body of the article, as I mentioned above. Similar to other footballers like Paul Pogba and Zlatan Ibrahimović, but it seems overkill to have in his infobox. Is there any reason why this should be one of the few cases where the agent should be included? Rupert1904 (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

The reason I included the names of his agents in the infobox, is because his signing with Roc Nation was attributed largely to what he has done, and continues to do, outside football. When I added it I had looked at the page of David Beckham, who also has the name of his agent in the infobox presumably because he is famous for ventures outside football which lead to him being signed by Simon Fuller and his agency. ItsKesha (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Rashford's Club Goals & Appearances

Where is the data pulled from for Rashford's goals & apperances statistics for Manchester United? On the Man Utd website it says that 254 apperances and 85 goals for the team as of 26 February 2021, yet these numbers are significantly lower on the Wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdotlamar39 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The stats are right. I don't know what you're talking about. – PeeJay 23:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kdotlamar39, here on Wikipedia footballers' infoboxes are used for league statistics only. The statistics for all competitions are listed in the career statistics table further down, the numbers there match the figures you mentioned. Hope that helps. Kosack (talk) 08:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't realize that was the case. Kdotlamar39 (talk) 14:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

Marcus Rashford is not a Forward. He is a winger and has been for 3 seasons now. He does not play as a forward. He plays on the left wing. However on this Wikipedia page it says forward. Thankyou. 2A00:23C6:1E29:4500:C02D:8288:6E93:3E61 (talk) 07:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it seems the sources here (e.g. [2]) describe him as a forward for Manchester United, but that he has played on the left wing in the past. Are there other sources that say differently? ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 08:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Quote boxes

Does this article really need eight quote boxes? OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough comment. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

It's excessive to have this many quote boxes, especially three in the "activism" section. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I think having comments from the MP who set up Fans Supporting Foodbanks (four months before Rashford's debut), the first black President (and maybe first black leader in the Western world), and the greatest ever United manager - three things inextricably linked to Rashford's identity and fame, is definitely not too many in this instance. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Place of birth

Was he not also born in Wythenshawe as well as being raised there? "Born in Manchester" doesn't seem very precise. Is this about the location of the hospital? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Related stub: Mural of Marcus Rashford

Improvements welcome at Mural of Marcus Rashford. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Marcus Rashford/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kpddg (talk · contribs) 10:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello ArsenalGhanaPartey. I will be reviewing this article over the coming days. Please let me know for any problems. Thank You. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Section-wise Assessment

Lead Section

• Good; very well-written

Early Life

• Fine; backed by sources

Club Career

 Early Career 

• 'Fletcher Ross Rangers academy development officer Dave Horrocks recalls that Rashford was on a "different level" to (replace with 'as compared') other boys, playing a major role as the team won a tournament with 15 scouts from various clubs watching'
• 'Former United youth coach Paul McGuinness quickly saw Rashford's potential due to his athleticism both on and off the ball....' What does 'on and off the ball' mean? Replace 'ball' with field.
• What does 'cage football' mean? Make it clear.

 2015–16 season: Debut

• Fine

 2016–17 season: European success

• Why have words like 'tremendous fashion' been used? Clear violation of WP: PEACOCK
• 'As a player however he failed to score until 7 January 2017 when he scored a four-minute brace in the FA Cup against Jaap Stam's Reading, which ended 4–0' Where did he not score? Add commas here.

2018–19 season

• Again, words like 'devastating' player are not neutral
• These sections contain too much content, much of which will appeal only to a particular audience
• No need to describe every action of his, like his penalty as 'fearless'. Just mentioning it is enough here on Wikipedia.

Too Many 'Flattery' Words

I've stopped the review mid-way and went though the whole article. I found many instances of such usage, which goes against the neutral point of view. Improving this will take some time. Hence, I recommend that these issues be resolved. Once done, the article can be re-nominated. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Fail:
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This article fails

RFC regarding excessive quote boxes

As of this writing, the article has 8 quote boxes. I posted a concern about this above and made a modest attempt to pare that down by removing two of the three in the "Activism" section, but my edit was immediately reverted. From MOS:QUOTE: Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, try not to overuse them. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I think having comments from the MP who set up Fans Supporting Foodbanks (four months before Rashford's debut), the first black President (and maybe first black leader in the Western world), and the greatest ever United manager - three things inextricably linked to Rashford's identity and fame, is definitely not too many in this instance. Do you propose having block quotes instead, perhaps? Oh and your edit was immediately reverted with the proposal of a discussion, as per WP:BRD, but you didn't even try that before starting the RFC? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not unusual for celebrity sports people to be involved with activism and charity and to receive public praise for those activities. Changing to block quotes doesn't improve the issue that much; it's still distracting and excessive to have so many large quotes in an article. Again, per WP:MOSQUOTE, quotes should be paraphrased when possible, and should be concise so as to illustrate the point. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC

I'm sorry but that first sentence is simply ludicrous, and is completely underselling and understating the entirety of what Rashford has accomplished. The article lists countless things he has done over the last 20 months which, simply put, no other "celebrity sports people" have ever accomplished. And per WP:QUOTE - "Provided each use of a quotation within an article is legitimate and justified, there is no need for an arbitrary limit". I think the quotes from Byrne, Obama and Ferguson are entirely legitimate and justifiable in the context provided. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• Strong Keep All the quotes are all referenced correctly with proper attribution, so it is perfectly reasonable to have that many. You see this all the time. It not number of quotes that are present, it what they are trying to illustrate thats important part of it. scope_creep^Talk 15:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
• Remove the one in 2016–17 season: European success Major sandwiching issue that needs to he addressed. ~ HAL333 18:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Done ✔. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• It agree the number of quote boxes here are excessive per MOS:QUOTE it should certainly be trimmed down. Becuase the quotes are all verifiable to does not mean we should include all of them. Should be removed limited to about 2-3 at maximum. (not watching please ping) Regards  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 15:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• The quotes do feel excessive and hagiographic. At the least they are pushing the limits of WP:DUE weight. I can’t really say which should stay or go, but I would personally start by cutting the Obama one back to its last two sentences.

I caution Rashford’s advocates from feeling that the article will suffer if every bit of praise isn’t covered here. And I also caution anyone involved against feelings of ownership they may have over this page. — HTGS (talk) 05:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with Ohnoitsjamie's edit, though I would personally remove the Obama and Bryne quote and leave the Ferguson one. The use of so many quotes is giving off hagiography energy. I think it's worth keeping in mind that if you are a fan of Rashford and want others to be too, the best way to achieve that is by neutrally describing the actions he has done and their effects as received by others. Readers are not going to be convinced by anything if they conclude that the article is opinionated. — Bilorv (talk) 12:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2022

Reference 384 has a broken link. This is deemed to be the new correct link. https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/marcus-rashford-mbe-receives-honorary-degree-at-old-trafford-ceremony . It seems there is a "/" appended to the end which is breaking the original link. Bobbywilliams21 (talk) 10:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  11:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2022

in Early Life, change "Lois Maynard who plays as a midfielder for Stockport County" to "Lois Maynard who plays as a midfielder for Oldham Athletic" 82.7.27.211 (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Player scores two goals in the fifth league game of the season

This simply isn't a notable occurrence for somebody who has scored over 100 goals in his career. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Nobody agrees with you. Se queda. RossButsy (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Nobody agrees with you. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Three people have made additions to the matter you’re the only person who had an issue with it. Majority rules. Please remember you’re all out of warnings if you want to edit war. RossButsy (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not how it works. The importance still hasn't been demonstrated in any way. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Arsenal are an arch-rival. They were unbeaten going into this game. Rashford hadn’t scored a brace in over two years prior to this game. Also was man of the match and got an assist. Fifth league game or not it’s important see the detailed Wikipedia page for the Man Utd-Arsenal rivalry for reference. Any other team other than a rival and it wouldn’t warrant an inclusion. RossButsy (talk) 18:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

What's your source for all that? Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, by the way. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2675573-manchester-united-and-arsenal-the-evolution-of-a-modern-rivalry.amp.html

https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-3-1-arsenal-player-ratings-premier-league-4-9-2022

https://www.espn.com/soccer/report/_/gameId/638254

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/manchester-united-vs-arsenal-score-antony-rashford-score-as-red-devils-hand-gunners-first-loss/live/

RossButsy (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Find me a source that says the rivalry isn’t important and is just the “fifth league game in the season”. RossButsy (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The onus is on you to demonstrate that this instance of him scoring two goals is of such vital importance. "The People's Person" is not a reliable source. The article is about Marcus Rashford, not the rivalry between United and Arsenal. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The onus isn’t just on me. You created this article you have the problem with it, nearly a week on from this and you’ve had no correlation from any other editor. You’d rather be condescending than provide a source like you’ve so gracefully asked me to provide. You said yourself it’s a “dead” rivalry then please by all means provide sources that back up such a bold statement. The rivalry in this context matters because if it didn’t we wouldn’t be have this discourse.

RossButsy (talk) 22:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The onus is on you to provide reliable sources for info your claim of importance, yes, of course it. Where's your source that says the rivalry matters in this context? If you want sources that talk about the recent rivalry, or rather lack thereof, here's The Athletic, ESPN, The Mirror, Sky Sports, SB Nation, Football.London... All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Two of those sources state the rivalry is still there… and “football London” and “sb nation” aren’t reliable sources like you reminded me of earlier when I put forward a source. RossButsy (talk) 23:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Also you calling the rivalry “dead” Is a matter of your own opinion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Non negotiable. RossButsy (talk) 23:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Which two sources, and what's the sentence exactly? You've still no sources highlighting the importance of these goals, just routine coverage of a top flight footballer scoring two goals in a top flight game. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 07:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Eh what? It isn’t just a footballer scoring two goals in a top flight game it’s against an ARCH rival which all of the sources I’ve put forward stated. This isn’t Burnley we’re talking about here it’s Arsenal and Manchester United. Please be very careful I’d hate to see you lose editing privileges over something so trivial given you’re fresh out of warnings. RossButsy (talk) 10:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

YOU started this discussion not me. You’ve only provided sources nearly half a decade old and two that haven’t been used at all on Wikipedia. Im still waiting for a proper reason as to why this should be removed and you’ve provided zilch thus far. It isn’t just a fifth league game though is it. It was 1st against an arch-rival and a player scoring a brace against an arch-rival is extremely noteworthy as there are many instances of the same occurrence in the article. RossButsy (talk) 10:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

4th September 2022 is not half a decade ago. You still haven't provided a source which indicates the significance of these goals. It wasn't the first against an arch-rival, it was the second against an arch-rival, seeing as he'd already scored against Liverpool, which as pointed out in the article already, was his first goal of the season. Scoring two isn't particularly important or notable and you haven't demonstrated why or provided a source for this. This is reason enough for this not to be included. And please stop threatening to have me banned, this is completely inappropriate behaviour. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football On your bike son. RossButsy (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Also I’m not threatening anybody. Im not an administrator. Im reminding you that your past uncivil behaviour has left you without warnings. RossButsy (talk) 11:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

So stop mentioning bans and blocks and warnings, which is inappropriate behaviour in this discussion as you keep doing so, and start providing sources; bear in mind that a grand total of zero articles you posted so far mention the so-called rivalry between the two clubs or even allude to any rivalry beyond "big six". A footballer scoring two goals in a game isn't inherently noteworthy and you haven't demonstrated why this instance it is. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Well I mean they literally do if you’d pay any attention to actually read them instead of the article heading. Take it to project football if this has gotten you so vexed. I didn’t make the original edit two others did I merely reverted you because of your patronising edit summary and how you seem to think you can govern what constitutes a rivalry and what doesn’t. RossButsy (talk) 11:45, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Please can you post the sentence in the article where they literally do? Thanks in advance. Also, I'm not dictating what constitutes a rivalry, I'm arguing that Rashford scoring two goals isn't inherently noteworthy and you haven't demonstrated why it is using sources. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

No thanks you’ve got a working computer and a set of eyes you read the article because it’s right there stop dictating yet again. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/american-football/man-united-vs-arsenal-five-things-we-learned-as-marcus-rashford-steals-limelight-after-antony-e2-80-99s-debut-goal/ar-AA11szqq “Silent Sancho but rashford roars” ‘Rashford started as the No9 again and once more had a telling impact: two goals and an assist, lots of neat interplay when United tried to counter from deep but, most of all, having the speed and willingness to run in behind to provide an out-ball for Eriksen and Bruno Fernandes.

The latter’s excellent pass allowed Rashford to race clear and finish in a similar style of goal to his effort against Liverpool, though a late hamstring issue will be a bit of a worry as European action starts up.’ RossButsy (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

What you've done there is hilariously and unintentionally argue for something you weren't even trying to argue for. What the prose should be focussing on is Rashford starting as a 9 again rather than him simply scoring a couple of goals. Well done. Also, what you posted doesn't make any mention of the rivalry, as do none of the other articles beyond CBS saying "big six". But of course, "they literally do". lol. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:10, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4738375/arsenal-and-man-united-are-back!-their-premier-league-rivalry-has-potential-again-but-can-they-contend-for-titles?platform=amp Also try and correct that spelling too thanks. RossButsy (talk) 12:15, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I already posted that article? Keep up. To quote literally you, "If you’d pay any attention to actually read them instead of the article heading"... the article says "The rivalry that once dominated the Premier League has been reduced to a sideshow for the best part of two decades". Hmm. Also, what have I spelt wrong? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah and you proved my point thanks bro. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. RossButsy (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Go find someone else who agrees with you because you alone doesn’t constitute anything. RossButsy (talk) 12:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:ROUTINE agrees with me. What point of yours has been proven? Also, who agrees with you, there's literally two people involved. Basic maths bro. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:32, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Run of the mill doesn’t sound like Arsenal vs Manchester United because it isn’t. I don’t see an article dedicated to Bolton Man United. I didn’t make the original edit two people made contributions to it before you decided to revert and then reverted me again before you nearly broke three revert. You might be used to bullying your way on Wikipedia but if you want a resolve go find another editor who follows your standpoint. RossButsy (talk) 12:39, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, where's this indepth coverage of the United vs Arsenal game from last week? Or was it standard, regular coverage of a Premier League football game? This isn't about the Arsenal vs United rivalry article, it's about Rashford scoring a couple of goals. Also, you've not even attempted to discuss the position angle I broached, so what's the point in your answer? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Why is he listed at 5'11 lmao

He was 5'11 at 18 he's almost 6'2 now. Even celebheights the most accurate and strict height listing website has him over 6'1. Embarrassing that its so far off on here. 86.19.220.140 (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@86.19.220.140: We're going by what is stated on Rashford's profile on the Premier League site, so if you disagree with the height they're listing I'd advise you raise it with them. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:02, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023

At end of "Personal Life" change "alsobowns" to "also owns" 104.218.65.168 (talk) 15:44, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done small jars tc 21:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2023

Height change from 5’11” to 6’1” 58.152.59.231 (talk) 14:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: cited source says 180cm. Cannolis (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Man has dog

Can @RossButsy: explain why Rashford having a dog is such important and vital information? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Yet again you’re turning pages into a battleground. Rashford having a dog has hundreds of articles related to it. Go find a source that says it isn’t important. Otherwise stop edit warring. RossButsy (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

"Hundreds" of articles yet the source you decided to use was a listicle in the Mirror? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Stop throwing your toys out of the pram. RossButsy (talk) 01:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Relevance, lots of famous people have dogs, so what? Rashford is currently the best striker in Premier League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.143.179.17 (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2023

RASHFORD'S PAGE IS VANDALIZED! UNDER PLAYER PROFILE COMPARISONS, LOOK FOR THE WORD 'LITTLE' AND READ THAT SENTENCE OUT LOUD. RASHFORD HAS BEEN TROLLED. 2A02:A03F:E45C:E100:4813:932C:C151:925B (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: That is not vandalism, that is the name of a former footballer named Colin Little. DDMS123 (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Is Mace Allen Marcus Rashford’s cousin

My best friend said that Marcus Rashford is his cousin 2A02:C7C:308A:6800:842B:ADE3:4C2F:8DC1 (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

My mate's cousin's wife's sister-in-law's hairdress said no. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2023

gainst = against 2603:8000:D300:D0F:2931:A6A7:3D47:5C8E (talk) 03:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 03:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2023

84.64.242.242 (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Marcus Rashford: Marcus Rashford played his debut for man united at age of 18 against Midtjylland and scored two goals. He also scored on his first manchester derby and in the fa cup and the champions league debut. Since then he went on to play 239 appearances and scored 79 goals for man united. He played 53 appearances for the England first team and scored 16 goals.

In 2017 he made his second full senior season and claimed the number 10 shirt number. On 23 October he came third in the Golden boy award behind Ousmane Dembele and Kylian Mbappe, still playing as a left winger. On 18th march 2018 he scored both goals in a 2-1 win against Liverpool putting in a Man Of The Match performance playing off the left wing.

On 1st July Rashford signed a 4 year deal with Manchester United. Midway through the season the premier league was suspended for three months and when it returned Marcus took an awful injury Vs Wolves and was told he needed an operation. In May Ole Gunnar Solskjaer announced that Rashford would be fully fit soon. At the end of this season Rashford was voted third for English footballer of the year. Then would represent England in the Euros and lose in the final to Italy but then missed half of the season due to surgery needed after the euros.

Season 2022 and 2023 man utd announced their new boss Erik Ten Hag. Marcus Rashford had hit form playing as both left winger and centre forward. He scored twice vs Liverpool and Arsenal.Later that season he won the carabao cup with United. The end of the season he scored 30 goals in the Premier league and first to hit a milestone since Robin Van Persie in 2011. At the end of the season he was voted Sir Matt Busby player of the year and Players player of the year.

Marcus Rashford won The Fa Cup in 2016 and was Runners-up In 2023, Carabao cup winners in both 2017 and 2023. Community shield winners in 2016. And finally Europa League winners in 2017 and runners up in 2021.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2023

Marcus Rashford plays for arsenal 2A00:23C5:E927:F101:C119:525E:E849:ED5B (talk) 22:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cherrell410 (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Nationality.

Rashford is clearly not English, why does Wikipedia insist on perpetuating this inaccuracy? 79.67.159.218 (talk) 07:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

This definitely something that Wikipedia need to address. 2.98.177.227 (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2023

Could you add this to external links ? and his ID is: 13565 41.47.188.47 (talk) 05:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

Just to include that he's one of the best attackers in his position in the pl, known for his pace, dribbling, composure, and athleticism Araoluwakiiti (talk) 13:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you provide a source that says that? – PeeJay 13:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Recoil16 (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2023

Europa League Runners-up: 2021-2022 Eog23 (talk) 15:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2024

rashford has won 14 golden balls and 1034 goals and 426 assists. 2405:6E00:A9C:4E01:2C08:1839:EE10:6CE2 (talk) 12:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)