Talk:List of video game remakes and remastered ports

Animal Crossing

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Animal Crossing a port of Animal Forest and not a remake? For one thing, the GameCube version is small enough to be played with the disc out after the game is booted up. --Evice (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Diamond and Pearl listed as remade into Platinum

Since we do not list Emerald as a remake of Ruby and Sapphire, or Crystal as a remake of Gold and Silver, I am taking this off the list 24.184.206.83 (talk) 22:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency on DS remakes

Super Mario 64 DS is listed as a remake, while Yoshi's Island DS is not. Any reason? Funky on Flames (user;talk;edits) 15:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, modified ports should be removed from the list because they are not complete remakes. --MK (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Yoshi's Island DS is not a remake at all. It's a sequel. Super Mario 64 DS is a remake (it updated the graphics and added several new features not in the original). 71.207.158.68 (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

THERE ISn'T A VIDEOGAME

Where are Banjo-Kazooie (X-Box Live Arcade, remake of nintendo 64) and his sequel Banjo-Tooie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.105.109 (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Those are ports, not remakes.68.4.214.54 (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

There isn't Sid Meier's Colonization and Civilization IV: Colonization — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.115.227.185 (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Cave Story

Would the port of Cave Story on WiiWare be considered a re-make? If so, I think that it should be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshiller (talk • contribs) 15:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Remake, HD Remaster, Port

Everything is completely messed up in this List of video game remakes.
A port is NOT a remake. A "HD Remaster" or a Collection is NOT a remake.
A clean up is needed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.0.203.181 (talk) 08:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

openttd

Do transport tycoon deluxe and openttd belong here?

Differentiation needed between Remakes/Remasters/Enhanced ports

A lot of these games are don't classify as "remakes", since they are really just enhanced versions of their originals with new textures, models and so on but running on the same engine and using the same mechanics. Some of them don't even have any major enhancements except higher rendering resolutions and an unlocked frame rate, so that would make them nothing more than enhanced ports, regardless of what they are being advertised as.

A lot of people are mixing these terms up and use them incorrectly (including game publishers) and I think it's Wikipedia's job to make a clear differentiation here.

When you're talking about actual remakes, it's when an old game gets used as a template to create an entirely new game, based on the concepts and ideas of the original game. Examples would be: Conker, Live and Reloaded, Secret Of Monkey Island SE, Tomb Raider Anniversary, Black Mesa, Oddworld New N Tasty... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.112.159 (talk) 20:17, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree with your definition of "remake", but the page includes "updated versions of original games and remastered ports", as explained in the intro. --Tanonero (msg) 10:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

date column

why not include release dates in the table ?? 179.7.215.247 (talk) 06:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

That would be appropriate, but it's a lot of work. I'll think about doing it after having systematised references and format. You can go ahead if you feel like it. :) --Tanonero (msg) 10:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

More games

Planescape: Torment: Enhanced Edition for Planescape: Torment - not sure if such upgraded editions of games fit in this list though. —  Ark25  (talk) 22:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Title change

I think we should rename this page as "List of video game remakes and remastered ports" to reflect the actual content of the article. Thoughts? --Tanonero (msg) 12:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

add a year column.

This is torture to navigate without a year column. Who created this table? 2001:8003:D9A7:6D01:972:BBD6:21F0:F6A5 (talk) 10:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

separate ports and remakes/remastered games

A game port is not a remake. It's a port. Can we split this page into 2? Also Warcraft 3 reforged is not on the list LiviuMarin (talk) 13:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree, should be split into two pages TheSmumbo (talk) 18:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

As far as I can see, ports are listed only when they feature some sort of enhancement. Feel free to edit the table.

Yes, ports are included when they features enhancements (e.g., graphical or performance enhancements), but there might be a few entries that only feature new content or functionalities. I believe these may be removed from the list. As said above, feel free to identify and remove these entries, explaining the reason for removal in the summary field. --Tanonero (msg) 13:05, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Rename Trials of Mana back to Seiken Densetsu 3

I wanted to discuss a few points that Melodia and Tanonero should look at:

• First of all, by simply looking at the source used in this article, Gematsu states: "Seiken Densetsu 3 remake Trials of Mana announced for PS4, Switch, and PC". Searching for other sources also refer to this as "Trials of Mana, a remake of Seiken Densetsu 3", not "Trials of Mana, a remake of Trials of Mana".
• The remake in question is for the 1995 Super Famicom release, not the recent 2019 one, so the name Trials of Mana simply does not apply here. Looking at other sources, Kotaku, IGN, Polygon all refer to the original game from 1995, Seiken Densetsu 3, not the English rerelease from 2019.
• Preference should be given to the English name - this is not true at all, preference is given to WP:COMMONNAME.
• This title falls under a remarkably similar situation to the first Mother/EarthBound game. Both released in the west 20+ years after the original release, both with countless sources that still use the Japanese name, as the articles in question look at the original release.

Alt (talk) 15:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

The biggest issue is that the way the list is written, it implied that "Seriken Densetsu 3" is being remade as "Trails of Mana". It's not. The remake is still SD3 in Japan. And as far as my own edit goes, I had no idea you went on a crusade to kill the Trials name from the rest of WP as well, including changing the game's page name back. Saying "The remake in question is for the 1995 Super Famicom release, not the recent 2019 one" is completely false, as the 2019 release IS the original -- it's a port. As for the three articles you linked, did you actually read them? The IGN one says "This newly localised version of the Super Nintendo role-playing game will be called Trials of Mana". The Polygon one doesn't even mention the collection. And consider the announcement of the collection as well as the remake happened literally the day the collection came out, using articles from then isn't a great example because there was no previous info on them. Looking at those aritcles and others I'm actually guessing when they were written they didn't actually realize the collection's version was also called Trials. Regardless, my main reason for changing the title back on this article was because the game had been at Trials on WP for a while. So I suppose we'll see what others have to say about all the rest of your edits. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

We're mostly talking about the remake though, not the collection, which is what this article entails. As for the articles, I did in fact read them. You forgot to mention that the IGN article reads: "Square Enix is also remaking Seiken Densetsu 3 as an action-RPG, now called Trials of Mana, arriving in early 2020". The Polygon one is specifically about the remake; this one also reads: "Trials of Mana is a HD remake of Seiken Densetsu 3", and "Seiken Densetsu 3 originally released for the Super Famicom in 1995". Lastly, the Kotaku article is even named Collection of Mana Comes to Switch, Including an English Seiken Densetsu 3, and you also seemed to have left out the line that reads "Seiken Densetsu 3 is coming to the West for the first time".

But if you think that these older articles are still not enough, here are a few more recent ones from Nintendo Life, Gematsu, and Destructoid, which read the following respectively: "The game is a remake of the Super Famicom RPG Seiken Densetsu 3", "Square Enix has released new information and screenshots of Trials of Mana, its upcoming remake of the 1995-released Seiken Densetsu 3", "Even as someone who doesn't have any personal attachment to Seiken Densetsu 3, I'm confident Trials of Mana will work its magic". Anyways, my main resoning for making these changes is that "Seiken Densetsu 3" is still the common name for the original game (the 1995 release, NOT the 2019 port), which is supported by all the cited sources that have been used for anything Seiken Densetsu 3 related. Those edits that changed it a while ago should have never happened to begin with. Alt (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

If Trials of Mana is the name given to the port coming for the first time to the West, I am favourable to revert the original name of the entry to Seiken Densetsu 3. I missed this "detail" as I had only focused on the common name vs translated aspect of the topic. --Tanonero (msg) 19:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Oppose the official english name for both the original and remake is Trials of Mana. It doesnt matter if it's technically a port onto modern consoles. I recommend wait and see. We can look and see what the reviews are.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 10:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The official English name appears to be Trials of Mana - this is just splitting hairs. It's highly unlikely that if they directly ported Seiken Dentetsu 3, they'd call it something totally different._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Zxcvbnm We should use the WP:COMMONNAME, not what became an official name countless years after it got initially released (and received most of the coverage as Seiken Densetsu 3). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Seiken Densetsu 3 was absolutely a common name even 15 years after the release in various sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. It does seem that "Trials of Mana" port that appeared in Collection of Mana is still covered in reviews in context of SD3 as a localized version. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

You saying it was known as SD3 15 years ago doesnt hold weight because back then there was no official localization of the game. Now that there is there is now coverage calling the game Trials of Mana. And the only time they call it SD3 is to clarify why we've never heard of it before. The game is infamous for never releasing in western territories. Now that it has, some of that infamy is going to die down and we now have a new status quo. Seiken Densetsu 3 is not the official english name. It wasnt even the common english name. It was just the japanese name that had no translation.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 22:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

An extract from WP:COMMONNAME: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). I have not said that it was called SD3 15 years ago, I'm saying that is has been called that for over 20 years, and it continues being called that. Now the fact that sources continue to get out of their way and name SD3 to clarify anything demonstrates its importance. Either way, the original Famicom release is still simply "Seiken Densetsu 3", which is what concerns the content in this article; a 1995 game was not renamed, or localized, but thw 2019 port and upcoming 2020 remake did received an "official name". Alt (talk) 22:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes SD3 is the official Japanese name, but it never received an English name before. And even though they've clarified it which this happened as well with Harvest Moon. To make a point, even though sources clarify what Trials of Mana is, sources have adapted to the new status quo and continue their discussion of the game as "Trials of Mana" moving forward. there are some instances where they don't but also add SD1 and SD2.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 23:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Title change

With regards to the recent title move by @T.E.S Phoenexus:, I strongly disagree with the new phrasing. In fact, the table does not include ports per se, namely games originally developed for a system and then later made available to other systems with no change. However, it does include such "ports" when they have gone through some form of enhancement, be it a HD remaster, gameplay tweaks, or new content. If we decide to stick with removing "remastered" from the title (as not all the ports are technically remastered), I reckon we should use another adjective such as "enhanced", provided that "enhanced" can semantically cover both remastered ports as well as ports with minimal or other types of changes. --Tanonero (msg) 10:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted the page move since it's contested. We can discuss whether or not to move it again, but I agree this list is not about "ports" but specifically about remakes and remasters. -- ferret (talk) 12:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

title needs to change to be more specific and discourage addition of mere ports which are outside the scope of the list. "List of video game remakes and remasters" seems sufficient Deusfaux (talk) 05:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Fine with me. --Tanonero (msg) 09:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Notes Should be a Separate Column

I've noticed that for many games it is elaborated upon what has changed in the remake/remaster/enhanced port, and it looks very cluttered to keep this information bundled with the platforms listed. My suggestion is to put a new column between platforms and source(s) specifically for notes. --RadiganSupreme (talk) 5:10, 14 April 2021

I am not sure about that because there are only a few entries for which notes have been written, therefore following your suggestion we would have a mostly empty column. --Tanonero (msg) 10:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

That's not an issue of "there will be too much blank space" but rather "it hasn't been done yet". ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 12:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

If the consensus is towards such an additional column being preferable over the current status, I can do it. --Tanonero (msg) 12:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I really like what @Blue Pumpkin Pie: has done with the table. The way the content is organised is clearer now. Also (and sorry for hijacking the discussion), does anyone know how to center all the references at once? --Tanonero (msg) 16:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

You're both quite right - unfortunately there are not many notes as of right now so it will look blank, but with time more shall be added in. It's a work in progress, just like the page itself. RadiganSupreme (talk) 13:42, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, saw you were able to figure out how to center references Tanonero. Congrats! RadiganSupreme (talk) 13:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Fable Anniversary?

90.253.127.43 (talk) 06:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Metroid Prime Remastered

This came out in February and should be added to the list if appropriate Metroid Prime Remastered 98.243.133.113 (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done --Tanonero (msg) 13:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Mighty Switch Force Hyper Drive Edition

This is missing from the list. It was an HD remake for the Wii U based on the original 3DS title. 172.116.116.236 (talk) 06:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars - The Director's Cut

Hi, I was wondering how this entry should be addressed. You see, in an interview, one of the designers stated that it actually was based on the Game Boy Advance version rather than the PC or PlayStation versions. Should the source game be changed from the original to the GBA version? Or in the case of a remake of a remake, would the original version still be listed as the source? The interview for reference: [6] - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 05:17, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

In the remake of a remake, the first remake should be listed as the original game. --Tanonero (msg) 23:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Super Mario 3D All Stars

Is Super Mario 3D All Stars really a remaster? It seems more like an enhanced port rather than a remaster and shouldn't be on this list. Also Another Code: Recollection is a remake of the separate DS and Wii games and should be on this list. Ameet12345 (talk) 19:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Games not added that need to be

• Mario Kart 8 DX
• Super Mario 64 DS and 3D All-Stars
• Minecraft as Edu Edition and Pocket Edition
• Super Mario Bros as Super Mario Special (PC-88)
• Donkey Kong 3 as Donkey Kong: Dai Gyakushū
• Mario Bros as Mario Bros Special and Punch Ball Mario Bros
• Pikmin 1+2 for Nintendo Switch
• Miitopia for Switch
• SO many versions of Tetris
• Duck Hunt as Super Mario Bros + Duck Hunt
• Pikmin 3 on Switch
• FNAF on Console
• Angry Birds as Angry Bird's Trilogy
• many released versions of OG pac-man
• Tiny Tower as the delisted Tiny Tower Vegas
• lego star wars games that are in Skywalker Saga

AlwaysBlaze (talk) 12:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

my edits

why do my edits get removed AlwaysBlaze (talk) 12:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @AlwaysBlaze:, when adding new entries, please also provide a reputable source attesting that those games can be defined as either remasters or remakes. Thank you for your collaboration. --Tanonero (msg) 18:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

there's parts of the article without source's so why should they all have it AlwaysBlaze (talk) 12:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

plus for the games i added most had barely anything online, plus my first ever edit on this page had a source, because it was easy to find, the other games, anything about them is hard to find other then a link to a mediawiki page or a yt video, AlwaysBlaze (talk) 12:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

for the other games i want to add a source is easy to come find, but not for others AlwaysBlaze (talk) 12:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@AlwaysBlaze: If there are unsources entries, they should also be removed or provided with a source attesting they can be defined as remasters or remakes. If reputable sources can't be found, then we can't attest the status as either remasters or remakes and they can't be listed. --Tanonero (msg) 00:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Another game to add

Chocobo’s Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy! is a remaster of Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo’s Dungeon. This should be added if deemed appropriate

Thanks! 2607:FEA8:6566:7D00:2C3D:8852:B154:98B7 (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)