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Sega genesis/mega drive sales

Can you guys verify this information? http://segatastic.blogspot.com.br/2009/12/mega-drive-sales-figures-update.html -Rud-Johns (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

See the appropriate section here: Talk:List of best-selling game consoles/Archive 2. « Ryūkotsusei »

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Atari 7800 numbers

Page is locked, can't update it myself, but the list is missing the Atari 7800. Released records form Atari put its sales at 3.77 million, according to https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/MattMatthews/20090526/84050/Atari_7800_Sales_Figures_1986__1990.php 2001:48F8:2C:925:455E:1DDF:40F2:B7FC (talk) 08:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

See Talk:List of best-selling game consoles/Archive 2#Atari_Consoles. « Ryūkotsusei » 18:31, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

NES and SNES classic

Should the NES Classic Edition and SNES Classic Edition be included on this list? Both have sold over a million units, they're distinct from the original NES and SNES, and other dedicated consoles are included on the list. If they aren't included, then either the other dedicated consoles (Telstar and Color TV-Game) should be removed from the list, or there should be a clear criteria for which dedicated consoles are included, which should be stated in the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.28.55 (talk) 20:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

No, we don't classify them as consoles they function different from traditional controls, namely that you don't buy games for them, but rather they come with a preset selection of games. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 21:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

That's basically what a dedicated console is though. This list doesn't seem to be clearly defined as "home or hand-held only", so I'd lean towards including them, long as we have nice sourcing for the number. -- ferret (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

SNES Classic, 2m [1], NES Classic, 2.3m [2] 88.97.28.55 (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I concur. However, they should only be in the first two subsections since all dedicated consoles are home consoles. Consider adding other "retro consoles" (console re-releases) as well. « Ryūkotsusei » 03:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it would be fine to make a dedicated table/section for "Dedicated consoles". There's certainly quite a few of them that might be eligible. If there's at least 4-5, a table like we have for Home and HandHeld would be fine. -- ferret (talk) 12:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd no longer object if we were to do it that way, at least. Also, per the figures released this week, SNES classic is now at 4 million. Sergecross73 msg me 17:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead. Perhaps make it a subsection of home consoles. « Ryūkotsusei » 21:31, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Did the initial work. I'm confident Atari Flashback, as a series, could be included here, but I can't find a solid source. The 2nd one sold at least 900k, and the company has said it was selling 300k a year when it released the 8th version. What about game & watch? -- ferret (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Nope, G&W are handheld electronic games. « Ryūkotsusei » 23:10, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

game watch

hi please add game watch to list game watch sell 40 m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.75.50.213 (talk) 08:20, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

See Talk:List of best-selling game consoles/Archive 2#Game & Watch. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Change to citation for Playstation 4 sales numbers

The current citations for the Playstation 4 sales number leads to a 404. Please use this as the new citation, from Sony Interactive Entertainment. http://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2018/180109.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:57DF:1D00:8127:465D:517D:D89 (talk) 06:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've updated both URLs for Sony's Historical Data in prep for future fiscal quarters. « Ryūkotsusei » 15:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2018

the switch now has sold 20 mil instead of 17 mil Nman31 (talk) 17:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current source in the article states 17.79mil as of 31 March. NiciVampireHeart 19:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2018

add Nintendo Switch to the lists with it's current 10 million copies sold Polygon EnderGaming (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2018

Edit Xbox One sales numbers to 39.1 million units sold. Article at https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xbox-one-lifetime-to-date-sales-2018-1866894

Sales numbers are as of March 2018. Number is higher in sales then what is presented here. Thedreamfinder (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The number that is presented here is from an article that understands more than one estimate exists. Thus, not done until a similar source can be provided. « Ryūkotsusei » 19:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2018

Please change the ps3 units sold from >33.8 million to 86,90 million as mentioned in the German Wikipedia article(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3) as mentioned for total units sold. If this information is false then please change the German article or any other language where this information is provided. Tropical Settler (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done - You need to provide a reliable source for the change you want to be made here. Wikipedia can be a source on Wikipedia because, like most wikis, it can be altered by anyone at anytime. As such, it fails WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 15:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Xbox One Sales Figures

Is there any reason why we are using "estimates" for Xbox One Sales Numbers on this list? I can see shipped vs. sold being allowed for the numbers on the list but I'm not sure that "estimates" are reliable enough to include on this page unless the estimate is from first-party which in this case would be Microsoft themselves. This also applies to the other consoles using third-party estimates. Spike Danton (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

It's because the Xbox One hasn't has sales reported in like 3-4 years, to the point where the last official figure it wildly different from reality. The same has been done with the Vita. It's not done with others because they have much more up to date official figures. Only Xbox One and Vita have ones that are many years outdate while the systems were very active and growing. Sergecross73 msg me 16:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

But shouldn't the estimate source be reliable as well if that's the case? Spike Danton (talk) 16:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, of course, all content should be per reliable sources. Sergecross73 msg me 16:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Master System

The way the MasterSystem numbers are being tallied, both here and on the primary page, are self contradictory and it may be better accurate to update the total figures. Based on the information on the infobox presented:

Worldwide: 13 million (as of 2009) (not including recent Brazil figures)
Japan: 1 million (as of 1986)
United States: 2 million (as of 1993)
Europe: 6.8 million (estimated as of December 1993)
Brazil: 8 million (as of 2016)

The worldwide citation is based on 2009 and correctly 'notes' the lack of updated Brazil figures. However, on the updated Brazil figures dated 2016, which are provided: it is 8 million units. If you tally that up with the Europe estimate (6.8 mill) and the numbers for the US (2 mill) and the extremely-dated 1986 Japan number (1 mill) that in itself comes to 17.8 million, not even counting figures for Canada, Mexico or the rest of the international market outside Japan and Europe.

We may never know the true worldwide figure, including the Japan numbers between 1987–1993, but we do have sources to support the 17.8 million figure. I'm not sure why we still have the outdated 13 million figure from 2009 being presented here. DA1 (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

References

On a sidenote: The Mark III came out in Japan in October 1985, while the updated MasterSystem model came out in October 1987. The 1 million figure effectively only counts 14 months into the release, and none from the updated re-release at all. The true Japanese figure may have been tallied into the original 13 million figure from 2009; but even if you strip it down to 1 million and tally the other figures it comes to 17.8 million. The true worldwide uncited figure may be close to the mid 20s million range when accounting for those post-1986 Japanese numbers and international sales. DA1 (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Already discussed on Genesis, Master System, and probably the WikiProject talk pages. We are not tallying these numbers ourselves. Regional data is there for context. A source must provide a total updated figure. Even then, err on the side of caution. « Ryūkotsusei » 13:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Nintendo all time highest selling Games Console Maker

Please can someone provide a link for the statistics box which lists Nintendo as the highest? Thanks ToonIsALoon (talk) 19:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Where's the 3DO????

Apparently sold about 2 million units, was the most technologically advanced system when it came out and obviously there's a wikipedia page for it! [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.226.58.59 (talk • contribs)

Talk:List of best-selling game consoles/Archive 2#Missing Devices « Ryūkotsusei » 23:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Add new console

Nintendo switch is missing! -ThePuzzlerThree (25barnbrae (talk) 19:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC))

No it's not. -- ferret (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Sony PS4 sales

Why aren't the PS4's shipped numbers used like they are for every other console on this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c5:6b1b:9900:e8fa:a980:5d79:cd40 (talk • contribs)

they are--Jrgamer4u (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

new PS3 figures: 0.43 sold in 2016 and 0.3 sold in 2017

source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/651584/global-ps3-console-unit-sales/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.236.31.38 (talk) 14:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Statista is an unreliable source that pulls from random and unreliable sources across the internet. It does not perform it's own statistics or estimates. -- ferret (talk) 15:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Sony has not released such figures, so there’s no way they could know these figures for sure. Sergecross73 msg me 00:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Sony DID released the figures, An apologize to all the people who had tried to make the page more relevant would be appreciated. https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/data.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.146.96.181 (talk) 14:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

They released them..... This week. They were not released 6 months ago, when this was last replied to. -- ferret (talk) 14:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

PS3 reliable data

https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/data.html >87.4 million ps3.

I think, it is time to stop all the stupid behaviour regarding vgchartz as irrelevant source. Please, consider changing the policy in the future as vgchartz was pretty much conservative in its estimations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.146.96.181 (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

VGChartz remains an unreliable source due to their history of having incorrect statistics. That Sony has finally released new figures is irrelevant to that. -- ferret (talk) 14:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Updated XBox 360 Numbers

Can we update the XBox 360 numbers + notes to reflect the nearly 90 million (< 90 million) sold by the time production discontinued in April 2016, as reported here on CBC news. The 84 million figure is from back in June 2014.- Matticus333 (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

2014 is only 2 years prior to discontinuation. Define "almost" 90 million. 88? 85? How much is that author willing to round up? This gives us the same level of discrepancy plus a number it never reached as a starting point. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Guinness World Records puts it around 85.5 million units sold, but then they also put the PS3's number at 86.9 million, according to this article published Dec 2018. - Matticus333 (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, CBC and sources referencing VGChartz are nonstarters as we can only guess where that figure originated. The last official figure is close enough to reported estimates that I see no real benefit going this route. « Ryūkotsusei » 18:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Seconded. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Switch Light

I figure it's better to have this conversation now before it becomes an issue, rather than waiting until it actually is an issue. How are we going to handle the Switch Light, once it comes out? On the one hand, it makes sense to bundle all different models of the Switch together, as we do with different models of all other consoles, but on the other hand, it seems wrong to include sales of what is unambiguously a handheld console in the figures for the home consoles table. My initial feeling is to combine the figures for the original and light variants in the main table and the handheld table, to have the home console table include only sales of the original variant, and to add explanatory footnotes accordingly. (Provided that we have the sources to be able to do so, of course.) Anyone have any other suggestions? Lowercaserho (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

It’ll probably depend on if Nintendo even splits them out or not, but considering virtually no revisions are split out (DS Lite, GBA SP, PS4 Pro, etc) we probably would split out Switch Lite either. Sergecross73 msg me 12:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Adding the Numbers on the ranking?

Is it good to add numbers on the ranking? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.158.237.170 (talk) 19:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Gameboy, Gameboy Color

Why are these lumped together? They were released a decade apart and are separate systems, one is only backwards compatible with the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.189.176.129 (talk) 22:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Because they were largely the same, outside of one having a color screen and some other minor changes. It’s the same way we handle all minor handheld revisions. Note there’s no GBA SP, Nintendo DSi, New 3DS, etc etc split our on the list either. Sergecross73 msg me 22:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I really don't agree with this. The DSi had 5 exclusive games, and the New 3DS had 4 retail releases. These are not comparable to the GB vs. GBC. The GBC had 112 exclusives!(Not even counting those GB games that had GBC modes) I can name a large amount of these too. The DSi and New 3DS' exclusives are not those I believe are very popular or memorable. Bristledidiot (talk) 14:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Ehhh you’re kinda missing the point though. That was just an example showing that it’s not rare to group them together. The real reason I’d because they’re grouped together by Nintendo and reliable sources. (Which makes sense considering their extreme similarities.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

The Game and watch series

i have offten wondered on this list but why isn't the game and watch on this list as the series sold around 43 million units. It is just a line of handheld units that i think deserves a spot on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

They’re not a game console in the traditional sense. Sergecross73 msg me 15:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

They are basically dedicated handhelds. The color TV game is counted with the last two models being different games so why is that counted and the game and watch not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 17:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The concept is hardware that plays different software. G+W doesn’t play different software. We also don’t list every single thing that can play a game, much in the same way we don’t include iPhones, iPods, or TI-83 calculators. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

well the color TV game only played one type of software per model also you say it is a dedicated console on the dedicated console page. So is it a Dedicated console or is it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Probably not. Unless someone can alert me of what I’m missing, that should probably be removed too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

well the original dedicated video game console could play one game that's one like the odyssey and telstar. Then Nintendo's color Tv game kept one game per console but added different models with different games. The game and watch is that but in your had so i must own the ball game and watch to play ball. so why do you count ones like the color TV game which had 4 models 2 were basic pong clones and the other 2 played different games but count them as one on your list as all 4 sold about 3 million units. So why doesn't the game and watch a series that sold 43 million over 60 games console is not considered? It is something that doesn't have the credit it deserves as most people look to this site to get numbers and try and make charts and list and it sadly doesn't have the most successful dedicated handheld device and also the most successful of the dedicated console variety by far just give it credit where it is due. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like we’re talking circles here. Reliable sources don’t to do to call it a “console”, so it’s not included. Wikipedia isn’t the place to fix injustices towards the underdog who you personally feel doesn’t get enough credit. Sergecross73 msg me 20:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

by the concept that hardware plays different software makes it a console means that almost all first generation consoles are not console then because all of them played one software Pong which means consoles like the Coleco Telstar Shouldn't be here since you only count the first model which guess what played one game pong and by the very nature should we even count the Color-TV as a game console then because there again you have to buy different hardware to play different software. So if those are consoles when they violate what you said earlier then why is the Game and watch not? Since the game and watch is just a dedicated console but much smaller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 20:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC) This is a definition of a dedicated video game console. A dedicated console is a video game console that is limited to one or more built-in video game or games. What is the game and watch a handheld that is limited to one game per unit. Conclusion it is a dedicated video game console and if it too complicated than call it a dedicated handheld console which would basically be a dedicated console that is portable and can be easy to move and play in your hands or something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 21:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

All of your examples are listed at First generation of video game consoles except the Game and Watch. I doubt that is an oversight, because the 1st gen article is a WP:GA, which requires a lot of work and a WP:GA. I think sources just draw the line at a different place than you seem to. Sergecross73 msg me 21:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)'

Then why on your Dedicated console page is it under dedicated handhelds which is a type of dedicated console?

Look, I’m not the creator of all content on Wikipedia. I don’t have all the answers. I’m just the only person watching over this talk page today, apparently. Do some research with an open mind and maybe you’ll be able to figure it out. Or be patient and maybe someone else will chime in eventually. Sergecross73 msg me 22:37, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I know that I just want this one this to be add to the list as it was a very successful handheld line of the second generation leading to the modern D-pad and the design of the DS and with its success along with the NES make handhelds like the GameBoy possible. I would drop this if saw something that said no this wasn't a video game console or yes it was and simply it gets added under the Xbox one in the list. I don't mean to sound hostile to you i was just wondering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 22:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

• With the caveat that I have not contributed in a meaningful way to any decision on what systems to feature in this article, I can take a stab at what the thinking here might be. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, there were video game systems that hooked up to a television and electronic handheld and tabletop games using LED,VFD, and LCD displays that did not. The latter were not considered video games by anyone, not manufacturers, distributors, retailers, analysts, or generally even the public. It was it's own product category, and sales volume in said category was reported separately from video game sales. That changed in 1989 when Nintendo released the Gameboy. As it felt like a small video game system with it's own cartridges and takes on the biggest console hits, it -- as well as Lynx and Game Gear -- was considered a handheld video game system. Yet even then, no one considered a Tiger Electronics handheld to be a video game. It may sound a bit arbitrary looking back, but the Game & Watch series really is in a different category. I hope that helps. Indrian (talk) 22:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

it kinda helps but it still raises the question of why is it on the page of dedicated video game consoles? Also this is an NES all over again as the NES in america was advertised as a toy not a video game console so wouldn't the game and watch also fall under that it was called a toy but it did play video games. Also whouldn't what they played been considered video games since they have had remakes and re releases on the DS and GameBoy as game and watch collections? Also even though something at the time isn't considered a game/game console at the time it was made why cant opinions change here? They do for most other things. why not put its own little mark as a hand electronic game which is what the precursor to handhelds are called. I just feel the game and watch is often left out of talks of great video game console and systems because of this caveat even though it is one of the most important video game consoles out there on par with consoles like the magnovox Odyssey, the Atari 2600, the NES, the ps1, the gameboy, the ds, and the wii. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.35 (talk) 23:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:RGW. As you yourself say, Game and Watch is not generally mentioned in console sales. Wikipedia is not a medium to change this. Sergecross73 msg me 23:37, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I did read it i was just wondering why you call it a console on one page but not a console on another and besides the game an watch was discontinued almost 30 years ago so why would someone cover it now?

Reliable sources do retrospectives all the time. The Sega Genesis has been discontinued for 20 years but it’s still covered regularly. Sergecross73 msg me 02:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe one day it will change. I plan to one day maybe teach college level classes and do classes on media/entertainment along with video games as a history class.

Average Sales Figure per Year

It would be informative to include another table for reporting average sales figure per year.

As of today; PS1 sold an average of 17.08 million units per year. PS2 sold an average of 25.83 million units per year. PS3 sold an average of 15.77 million units per year. PS4 sold an average of 15.77 million units per year. In this context, PS2 is the best selling Playstation followed by PS1, PS4, and PS3. This list is significantly different than the present one and provides some insight into console sales.

I suggest the inclusion of this new table. It should also include number of years the console were ready for purchase. --81.214.105.166 (talk) 22:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Opposed. The average is not a fair comparison between different releases that were on the market for different time periods. There's no context either, for example, a console that sold 80% of it's units in the first 3 of 6 years. -- ferret (talk) 23:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Opposed. Reliable sources don’t usually document it like this, so neither should we. Sergecross73 msg me 23:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Is the 3DS really "current generation" anymore?

Nintendo hasn't released a single new first-party game since 2018, and hasn't released a port in over a year. Stores near me like Target and Best Buy no longer sell the system. Even Nintendo's official Amazon store doesn't mention the 3DS at all. Aluminite (talk) 17:14, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

It’s and 8th generation console and we haven’t reached the 9th yet so yes.--69.157.254.92 (talk) 05:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Pretty much this. They’re still sold in stores. And Nintendo hasn’t announced a discontinuation of the entire line. It’s basically on life support...but not quite dead. Sergecross73 msg me 14:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

should add ons be their own entries

basically systems like the disk system for the famicom or the sega cd at 2 million or the satellview's sales? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

This isn't being updated

Switch sales aren't updated in all lists (only the first) and PS4 has sold 112 million now: https://www.ign.com/articles/ps4-sales-top-112-million-units — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qayden (talk • contribs) 15:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC) i have tried to update it before but they keep taking my stuff down as the update i did was simple adding as the total numbers of the Nintendo devices and sony devices the numbers are different

VGchartz data for Xbox 360?

I noticed the Xbox 360 sales figures were updated using VGchartz numbers which have never been a reliable source. I would request that we revert the sales figures (84 million) back to it's 2014 numbers until we have a more reliable source for sales. @Sergecross73 98.187.232.104 (talk) 13:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Good catch. Do you have the source for the 2014 numbers? -- ferret (talk) 15:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I found the link here: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-399-xbox-one-out-now-xbox-360-sales-rise-to-84-million/1100-6420231/134.6.74.107 (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually this source is better since it comes from Microsoft but you could use both: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2014/06/09/events-e3-2014-recap/ but these numbers are from 2014 we don't have current sales so it should be notes the sales are as of 2014.C134.6.74.107 (talk) 14:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Is no one going to fix the above issue? 134.6.74.107 (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

It may help to specify that the sales are from 2014, so people don't think that was the final figure announced. 184.185.35.162 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

PS5 unit sales

The source cited (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/09/16/ps5-retail-units/) does not indicate any pre-order sales figure. Please remove or find a better source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verifiedyeah (talk • contribs) 08:40, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 12:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

3DS sales

The 3DS shows that it's no longer in production but doesn't have the correct final number. The 3DS is now at 75.87 million according to https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.143.126 (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC) While yes it needs to be updated that isnt the final number to get that you must wait until the numbers from july - September come in which will be probably around November — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2020

Hello! I noticed that the switch figures are out of date, lifetime sales as confirmed by nintendo are now 65.71 million. I will make sure and site sources of course. All instances of this: Nintendo Switch #hybrid video game console Nintendo 2017 61.44 million [43] would be changed to Nintendo Switch #hybrid video game console Nintendo 2017 65.71 million [43] Thank you! Zach710032 (talk

You need to provide a source for the new sales figures though. Sergecross73 msg me 13:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/687059/nintendo-switch-unit-sales-worldwide/#:~:text=Global%20unit%20sales%20of%20Nintendo%20Switch%20console%202017%2D2020&text=Since%20its%20launch%20on%20March,over%2065%20million%20consoles%20worldwide.

We good now? Zach710032 (talk) 12:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I don’t believe these are official figures. For Sony and Nintendo, we usually go by the official quarterly figures they release in their financials. Sergecross73 msg me 14:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Switch Lite as a "home console"?

Why are Switch Lite sales accounted for in the "home video game console" section? It’s a handheld-only console that has absolutely no connectivity to a television whatsoever. It only makes sense for standard Switch model sales should be accounted in this section, standalone Switch Lite sales should be moved to the handheld sales section. ShadowCyclone talk 16:13, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I don’t believe we have complete enough data to do a full breakdown like that. Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Nintendo’s consolidated financial highlights for Q2 2020 has both separate and combined sales for the Switch family.[4] ShadowCyclone talk 19:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2020

Change amount of sold Nintendo Switch units to 68.3 million. Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html 82.117.7.29 (talk) 08:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

 Already done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I believe this was in relation to the handheld section - I have taken care of this. Empoleonmaster23 (talk) 01:35, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

3DO sales

so the 3DO sold 2 million units so why isnt it on this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 20:10, 10 September 2020 (UTC) https://web.archive.org/web/20070508014611/http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/features/111822.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 20:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this isnt here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 04:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

If I remember right, I think that GamePro source’s accuracy is disputed. I believe some of its figures are wrong according to official sources, so we try to avoid it. It’s been a while though, so I’m not 100% certain on the details. Sergecross73 msg me 18:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok that make sense i just used it because thats what the 3do page had on it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020

ADD "Atari Jaguar" ADD "Atari 7800" 77.102.35.47 (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Where? And, assumably, what sales figures and sources to go with it? Sergecross73 msg me 22:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Both units seemed to sell poorly compared to ones listed (below a million). ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

here i found something for the 7800 https://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2008/post-9346-1201143700.jpg now this is the total numbers as most estimates put the 7800 around 3 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 02:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Forums are not reliable sources. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:50, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

It is literally a picture of a press release — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 13:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

It looks like good info as an official statement. Why don't you create an account to edit this page?Halbared (talk) 19:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a decent idea but i would just forget my log in info or get banned because i can argue a lot or have opinions others done agree with — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 19:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

So is anyone going to add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.169.9 (talk) 07:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

User uploaded images from random people on message boards are not considered a usable source, no. Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2021

- Add Xbox Series S/X

- Add PS5

- Remove Current Generation status from Xbox One and PS4 Rarisma (talk) 19:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The generation situation is still be debated, and those in the 8th generation are not yet discontinued. No sourcing (or even figures) provided for adding the latest consoles besides. -- ferret (talk) 19:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2021

I would like to update the sells of Nintendo Switch according to new fonts that say that the console oversold Nintendo 3DS unities. https://screenrant.com/nintendo-switch-outsold-3ds/ https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/01/the_switch_has_now_sold_more_units_than_the_3ds https://www.vgchartz.com/article/446896/switch-outsells-lifetime-3ds-sales-worldwide-hardware-estimates-for-dec-20-26/?fbclid=IwAR18aiGPcxX0R5Mz_mhuvzw2dfq8iApVpnj9vVMCU7QEwMEevvaO8eR98N8 Guyoshi (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done VGChartz is not a reliable or usable source on Wikipedia per WP:VG/S. Sergecross73 msg me 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021

I want to update this article to add a new section called under one million. I also need to add the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X because production has currently halted on both of them and they have made 5.1 Million and 2 Million. Profiley (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done - You didn't provide a source for any of the suggested sales figures. Additionally, I believe it was decided 1 million was the cutoff point on what should be listed - anything less being very low and not particularly notable. But even if we changed that, no suggestions on entries or sources for the under 1 million section were even provided, so there's no point in adding a section either way. Sergecross73 msg me 20:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

please add xbox series s/x

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/xbox-series-x-s-shipments-are-trailing-ps5-by-over-1-million-analyst-claims/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.17.251 (talk) 15:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Screen Digest estimated sales by 1995

https://www.scribd.com/doc/208776076/Screen-Digest?secret_password=2ntzw5zfrtsy8kxequmg.Halbared (talk) 10:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

total world sales https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oQKFmX9m25sC&q=158&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=158&f=false.Halbared (talk) 23:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

The Game and watch series

Ok i am bringing this one back but it is because it is in the best selling video game franchise list. It is also on the dedicated video game console page.

Unlike with other lines such as tiger electronics the amount that the game and watch line is sold is completely solid due to Iwata Asks actually going into its sales. How can the line that is fundamental to the video game industry (modern D-pad, the dual screen, the way Nintendo make's their consoles by using old hardware.) this was the device that first put Nintendo on the map so why cant we just count it since by the very definition of a dedicated video game console says the game and watch line is a video game console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:C900:61C0:85FD:95A:F61F:D35F (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch sold 79.87 million

Nintendo just updated their financial earnings on https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.17.251 (talk) 08:23, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Total console sales by firm numbers should be updated.

At least the Nintendo number in that section is outdated. Adding up the numbers in this article I got 806.2 million. That should be updated. BB1802 (talk) 18:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021

The background colour of the Xbox One should be changed to white since the console is not part of current gen and has been discontinued. Source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/16/21327330/microsoft-xbox-one-x-s-digital-edition-discontinued Freek925 (talk) 08:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done As you own source states, not all Xbox One models are discontinued, just some. Sergecross73 msg me 13:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021

Remove current generation consoles' green shading from last generation consoles (PlayStation 4, Xbox One). Seeing as the Nintendo Switch came much later in the previous generation and does not have a successor yet, this one could perhaps be given a different shading as a cross-generation console. 2A02:A03F:8060:E100:38B7:9428:3996:C893 (talk) 04:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 16:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Circling back on this - I imagine the whole point of highlighting these was to indicate that the figures were not finalized or set on stone, but rather, could go up later on. In that case, we should highlight anything still active - which includes PS4 and Xbox One. Even if it's not the case, you were consistent with removing the coloring from the two, (your version has PS4 labeled in one chart but not in another) so there's really no scenario where this exact edit is retained. Sergecross73 msg me 16:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

3DS sales number in the handheld section is false.

The source says 75.94 million. I edited it from the false 75.77 million number. Why was my edit reverted? BB1802 (talk) 01:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Because you made a set of unsourced edits and source removals without clear explaination. I've fixed the number again. -- ferret (talk) 01:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

The source of my edits were this articles numbers. Those numbers were years outdated. But nvm. BB1802 (talk) 01:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

That isn't clear from your edit, and WP:USERG. Wikipedia itself is not a source, need actual sources for the figures. -- ferret (talk) 02:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I just added the numbers in the other lists, most of that list wasn't sourced anyway and the source for the Nintendo numbers was a article that didn't have any such hardware numbers. Does it make sense when a Wikipedia article contradicts itself? We have sources for all the separate consoles. BB1802 (talk) 03:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Could we change the PSP sales from "estimated to be 80-82 million units" to actually just 82 million units?

The last reported sales figure for the PSP was 82 million units, is there a reason we're keeping it as 80 million and as an "estimation"? It's confusing when pretty much every other system on the list has a clear and direct number and the PSP doesn't, is there any reason to deny or refute the 82 million and consider the 80 million? Vskal (talk) 07:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

82 isn't being "refuted", it's merely a different estimate from a different source. As the note on its entry says, Sony stopped giving official figures in that timeframe, so we go with common reliable source estimates. Those are the common estimates. Sergecross73 msg me 12:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Merge the "type" lists

The tables listing "home consoles", "handheld consoles", "dedicated consoles" should be eliminated. Add a "type" column to the original table to denote it and remove the repetition of the other tables. -- ferret (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree. It would eliminate the bickering about classifying the Switch and Switch Lite too. Sergecross73 msg me 01:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree as Well Gemini.skywalker (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I disagree, having separate sections helped make things clearer for me, when I came back I was very confused as it makes no sense as to have just one big list. Vskal (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 23:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2021

Sega Game Gear type should be changed to "Handheld". TurboGrafx-16 type should be changed to "Home". 89.2.98.22 (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done Fixed. -- ferret (talk) 13:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

reclassification of Type for PSP

With the addition of "Hybrid" as a type of system, the PSP should also be listed as a hybrid. It also had TV out, and a dock for connection to a TV. If the Sega Nomad were included in this list, it would also be a hybrid as it also connected to TVs, but I am guessing it is lumped in with the Genesis/Megadrive Maedhros77 (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

We'd require reliable sources that refer to the PSP as a hybrid. I'm not aware of that ever being done. -- ferret (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

New update to ps4 sales

well i noticed that the ps5 sales were updated but from the same place also says that ps4 numbers increased by 200,000 so now lifetime is 116.6 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.161.1 (talk) 19:34, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done Updated -- User:Gemini.Skywalker 18:49, 2 November, 2021 (UTC)

Could the pictures of the consoles go across the page?

Currently on Chrome/Windows it's vertical and you have to page downWakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 10:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2021

In the "firm" column of the table please add the background color #FFFFFF;" to the entries with Tectoy. 67.173.23.66 (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done  melecie  t - 23:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Nintendo Virtual Boy

You are not including the Nintendo Virtual Boy console, with sales <1 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.104.126.52 (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. -- ferret (talk) 00:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Correct. 1 million is the threshold for inclusion. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Game Boy sales

I found this LA Times source stating the system sold more than 100 million units [5] (the article is from 2011 BTW). No mentions of Game Boy Color sadly. Should we update the figures for Game Boy and remove Game Boy Color for now until we find a source for its sales? Timur9008 (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Why would we do that? I'm not following. Sergecross73 msg me 11:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

also the best source is Nintendo with that and Nintendo says the current number. so why would you go with something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.59 (talk) 03:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC) Were there any official estimates of the OG Gameboy and Gameboy Color separated? Even if they aren't from Nintendo, they could be good to include in the notes section for Gameboy section, with it obviously saying that they were estimates of both, of course. Alex Alexseidner0831 (talk) 01:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Add-On Systems

I'm relatively new to this whole Wikipedia editing thing, so please bear with me. Anyway, I happened to check the page for best selling consoles of all, time, and the Famicom Disk System, and the Sega CD, were listed. That's not what I'm here to talk about, as they were video game systems that sold over 1 Million Units. It's what they are categorized as. They weren't "Dedicated" systems (as the Famicom Disk System is labeled) at all, and while they were "Home" (as the CD is labeled) consoles, I feel the more apt category would be a new one for the article: Add-On, or some variation of that. It's what they are generally called, and it's what they did: They added on to the console, often to very mixed degrees.

Alex

Alexseidner0831 (talk) 01:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I have added the Add-on category that Alex has suggested and I have given consoles in this category the bullet glyph.

However, I am wondering if the type should be "Add-on", "Home", or "Home console add-on." I set the type to Home console add-on for now, but any of these types could fit.

I am also wondering if a glyph for handheld consoles should also be added, or if that would be unnecessary. Randitor (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Remove redundant dagger notes

The dagger notes are redundant, describing what the column to the right already says, making them redundant and adding unnecessary cognitive load to interpreting the table. 75.161.69.164 (talk) 02:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

While I don't think that the glyphs should be removed, I do think that some of them are kind of redundant. Maybe, the type can only indicate if the console is Home, Handheld, or Hybrid, While the glyphs indicate if the console is a dedicated console, or an add-on? Example, something like the Sega CD could have the home console type, but next to its name will be the console add-on glyph.

I already did something similar when I added the Game & Watch to the list. I gave it the dedicated console glyph. However, instead of making the Game & Watch's type dedicated, I gave it the handheld type because if I labeled the Game & Watch "Dedicated" it would be indistinguishable from the dedicated home consoles on the list, even though the Game & Watch is a dedicated handheld console. Randitor (talk) 21:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

3do had exceeded 1,000,000 sales

Per the 3dos Wikipedia page sales number, The 3DO should be included 47.208.21.98 (talk) 23:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Placing VG Chartz Edit Notice on main page

Since individuals keep citing VG Chartz for numbers, shouldnt the edit notice also be placed on top of the main page instead of just the talk page so persons are more likely to see it? Gemini.skywalker (talk) 15:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2022

The switch has sold over 101 million units, that information is super outdated, it has sold even more than the wii at this point 90.241.175.166 (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Updated Switch Sales Numbers

The switch is now at 101.88 million units according to VGChartz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darorad (talk • contribs) 22:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

You need a better source. VGChartz is not reliable or usable on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 22:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Nintendo Financials for last quarter of 2021 are due Feb 3, we will update it then. --Masem (t) 22:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Atari Lynx -> Handheld

Hi, the Atari Lynx was an Handheld, not an Home Console. Thank you. Bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.169.39.186 (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Fixed it. The Atari Lynx is now currently labeled Handheld and not Home Console. Randitor (talk) 22:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022

The Nintendo switch sales are missing. I read they have already sold more than 100 units. 85.144.249.148 (talk) 06:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch sales are not missing. They have sold around 92.87 million units. --Ferien (talk) 06:50, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Switch sold 103.54 units

Nintendo just updated their sales here https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.118.51 (talk) 07:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The PS4 is not current Gen

The PS4 is not current Gen. Remove the green ASAP. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.184.199.26 (talk) 12:16, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Went a different direction. Updated the legend to reflect that these are consoles still on market. PS4 discontinuation has not occurred. -- ferret (talk) 12:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022 (2)

Change Reference #49 (PS5 source article headline) to "PS5 Has Shipped 17.3 Million Units" as that's what the headline is. I was confused when the reference for 17.3M was a headline with 13.4M (that's what's currently live). The URL is fine. Ncha!! (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done casualdejekyll 20:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I think there's typo in Sega Genesis/Mega Drive drive released date

It says that the release date of Sega Genesis/Mega Drive is 1998, but it was released in 1988. 24.133.244.133 (talk) 20:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Fixed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

PS4 vs PS4 Pro

It is specified that the Nintendo Switch includes hybrid sales of the Switch Lite. There is no such annotation for sales of the PS4 being combined with the PS4 Pro, for consistency would it not be better to specify? Fourthcoffee (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that was originally due to the fact that that we used to have separate lists for home consoles and handhelds, and things kind of got confusing with the two types of Switches. With all systems, we include all models/variants, so if anything it should just be assumed... Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, the question is if Sony makes that distinction in their sales numbers. Nintendo does definitely differentiate Lite from regular Switch sales, but I haven't looked hard if Sony does that breakdown for PS4 sales. --Masem (t) 23:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Cd-i had exceeded 1,000,000 sales

Per the CDI Wikipedia page as well the CDI should be included 47.208.21.98 (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The Philips CD-i is already on the list, and from looking at this page's history was on the list before your suggestion to add it.

The 3DO Interactive Multiplayer on the other hand does appear to meet the requirements of this list, so it should likely be added. Randitor (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Separating DS systems

I feel the DS family should be split into 3DS/2DS and DS because 3DS games are not compatible with the older generation, making them technically different systems. Backwards compatibility wouldn’t matter considering Xboxes and PlayStations that offer it are listed as separate entities. Intersting (talk) 21:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Disregard, it already is separate Intersting (talk) 21:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Suggestions for various systems that could be added to the list?

I have several suggestions for consoles that could be added to the list.

The Quest 2 has sold over 10 million units according to this article, crossing the one million threshold required to enter the list.

"Meta's Oculus Quest 2 has shipped 10 million units, according to Qualcomm". The Verge. Retrieved December 12, 2021.

Should VR headsets be on the list? Or, do they not fall under the category of game consoles?

The Kinect also sold 24 million units, crossing the one million threshold required to enter the list.

"Microsoft says Xbox 360 sales have surpassed 76 million units, Kinect sales top 24 million". Boy Genius Report. Retrieved December 12, 2021.

Should the Kinect be on the list, as an add-on or something? Or, does it not count as a game console?

The Genesis Nomad apparently sold a million copies.

Snow, Blake (July 30, 2007). "The 10 Worst-Selling Handhelds of All Time". GamePro. Archived from the original on October 4, 2011. Retrieved December 12, 2021.}

Would the Genesis Nomad make the list? Or would it not because it is a portable Sega Genesis, and thus already covered by the Sega Genesis? Randitor (talk) 03:34, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

No, because they're not consoles. The only one that could be rationalized is the Nomad, if the 1 million sold figure is confirmed, if someone wants to tack that to the bottom of the list. Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I guess the Kinect falls into a gray area between console add-on like the saga CD, and accessory like the NES Zapper. I mean, the Famicom Disk System and Sega CD. Therefor, would the Kinect count? Or, should the Sega CD and Famicon Disk Systems be removed from the list. However, I also feel like one could also argue the Kinect is more something like the NES Zapper, and I feel like adding the NES Zapper to the list is one step to far.

For the quest 2, I don't see any problems with it being on the list. I feel like you could argue for most VR headsets not being on the list because the require a computer to work, but from my knowledge while the quest 2 can connect to a computer, it can also run without one. Plus, console add-ons like the Sega CD require a console to work, and are on the list. So, one could argue that VR headsets connecting to a PC fall under the same category.

Even though I suggested adding the Genesis Nomad, adding it gives me the most problems. Genesis Nomad is a portable Sega Genesis. For consoles like the Nintendo DS or Switch, I do not see a separate listing for "Nintendo DSi" or "Nintendo Switch Lite" on the list, and giving the Genesis Nomad a similar listing feels like the same thing. Randitor (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't get the supposed dilemma. The Nomad was a hybrid, btw, just like the Switch. No reason it shouldn't be listed. That said, I feel that TV consoles and strict portables should have separate lists. After all, there was a time when calling a handheld a console was something nobody did, I see that's changed in the past 10 or so years, but it's still weird for me to see it. - TheGameCritic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.4.103.242 (talk) 21:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Not everything you play games on are a console. You'll notice that iPhones and iPads aren't on there either. VR headsets are fundamentally not classified as consoles, and Kinect was just an add-on accessory that allowed for motion controls. Sergecross73 msg me 18:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

You have a point about VR headsets not being on the list. However, if the Kinect should not be on the list, then why is the Sega CD and Famicom Disk System on the list? Is there a reason why these console add-ons are allowed on the list, while the Kinect is not? Or, should the Sega CD & Famicom Disk Systems be removed from the list? Randitor (talk) 19:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I think the add-ons be removed, or a separate list for add-ons be created.Halbared (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't oppose removing them, though I doubt there's enough for a separate "add-ons" list, so I'd recommend against that. Sergecross73 msg me 21:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe, one way we could justify keeping the Sega CD & Famicom Disk System on the list is because they are way more substantial then the Kinect by the games requiring a completely separate format then the console they added onto? Famicom and Genesis games were on cartridges, but Famicom Disk system and Sega CD games were on floppy disks and CDs respectively. Kinect games did not need a Kinect because a base Xbox 360 was not powerful enough to run them, or because they were stored on Kinect disks or something.

I also see that in the article for video game consoles, the Kinect is considered an accessory and not an add-on. Therefore, maybe that is a way to keep the Sega CD and Famicom Disk system on the list because they are considered add-ons and not accessories? (Though this feels very arbitrary.) Other then that I cant think of any reasons to justify including them on the list, other then adding the Kinect.

"Video game console wikipedia article, Accessories section". Wikipedia. Retrieved December 13, 2021.

For an add-on list, I can think of more some add-ons that could be on that list. (Sega 32X, Nintendo 64 DD, maybe the SNES-CD even though that was never ever released.)

"Category:Video game console add-ons". Wikipedia. Retrieved December 13, 2021.

From checking "Category:Video game console add-ons" on Wikipedia there are a few others like the Atari Jaguar CD, and maybe the SNES Satellaview for example.

Randitor (talk) 00:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to just throw out there that the Atari Jaguar CD, Sega 32X, SNES Satellaview, etc. Did NOT sell 1 million units (which is the general low-cutoff line for this article), with the highest generally being ascribed to the 32X at 800,000 units. So in general, these should not be added to the list. The Kinect meanwhile, while it didn't add power, it did have many exclusive games, sold WELL over 1 Million units, and drastically changed the way the system was used, so I feel it SHOULD be included as a best seller, as an add-on. Alex Alexseidner0831 (talk) 14:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Let me clarify. Those ad-on suggestions were for a hypothetical separate add-on list article that would likely have a lower cutoff point then this one. I was not suggesting we add them to this list, especially since if we decide the Kinect should not be on the list, and if we cant think of a reason why the Sega CD and Famicom Disk System are different from the Kinect, then the Sega CD and Famicom Disk System would likely be removed from this list, and added to a separate add-on list. Either that or we decide to add the Kinect to the list. Or, some other idea that someone could suggest. Even if the Kinect is added to the list, a console add-on article/list sounds is a good idea. Randitor (talk) 18:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

That does make sense, however, I also feel as if the Add-ons that sold over 1 million units should remain on this list, as a kinda "These sold the best of the best" type of deal. This is the best selling VG Consoles of all time after all. Also, regarding the Kinect being an accessory: To me, if so, so many games required the thing, and it fundamentally changed the way the 360 and XBone played, it is an Add-on, although I can definitely see the argument.

Alex Alexseidner0831 (talk) 20:34, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, there's a lot of conversation points going on, but to address a bunch of them:

• Kinect is widely considered an accessory/add on, and rarely if ever a console. It's merely something that adds motion control. It does not belong on the list.
• I believe something like the Sega CD is that it adds additional processing power, audio capabilities, storage medium, and a bunch of other stuff, that makes it much more like its own platform/ecosystem.
• If either of you are serious about creating a "List of video game console add-ons" article, or something to that capacity, that I recommend discussing it at WP:VG at WT:VG to get peoples opinions. I think it would be a lot of work for relatively new editors, and I'm afraid that, for various reasons, it may just be deleted anyways. So you might want to get some opinions there. Sergecross73 msg me 23:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Why was the handheld, dedicated, and home console sections removed?

We only have an "overall" list now and no longer the other sections when they were extremely useful and helpful. Vskal (talk) 00:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Because there was so many arguments over where Switch belonged. Not to mention, it was redundant. If you use the "sort" option, you can still sort by type. (Home, handheld, etc.) You can still essentially recreate that list that way. Sergecross73 msg me 01:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Steam deck

Ads the steam deck on here its one of the fastest selling systems 2600:1014:B12D:4316:1B8:D1B8:BFB4:ADE0 (talk) 02:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a lot of hurdles here, but first and foremost, pretty certain it hasn't even cleared 1 million, which is the minimum threshold for inclusion. Sergecross73 msg me 03:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding a "See Also" section with relevant wikipedia articles

Hi. When browsing through this article I was looking for any word that would redirect me to the "Home video game console generations" wikipedia page so I could see in which generation each console belonged. I think it would be interesting and useful if that piece of info was inserted in this article somehow. Maybe A) Adding a column on the chart titled "Generation" and in the cells have 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. with the linked main article B) Adding a "See Also" section at the bottom of this article that includes the "Home video game console generations" page as well as any other relevant ones Hope this helps. Y5GR (talk) 13:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022

I'd like to have edit access to make some changes to the Xbox Series X and S. It's to change the amount of units sold, as the last edit for it was December 2021. I have used estimates and have figured out how many units it has sold now. ItzMythic (talk) 16:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

To update sales figures, we need either official figures, or estimates from reliable sources. It sounds like you want to use your own personal estimates, which would not be acceptable. Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2022

The NES Classic Edition sales figure needs to be updated from 2.3 million to 3.6 million (as of June 30, 2018) which it is according to its Wikipedia page. 2600:4040:1128:6E00:C989:F028:9FBB:91DD (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Updated to 2018 figures. Halbared (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Separate console generations under 1 listing

Listing like the Game Boy/Game Boy Colour and 3DS Family include more than one console generation.

The "Gameboy" and "Gameboy Colour" are 2 separate console generations so should be listed separately.

The 3DS Family includes the "3DS" and "New 3DS" which despite the confusing naming are two separate generations of console.

The "DS" and "DSi" seem to be in the same vain and the "PS4/Xbox One" and "PS4 PRO/Xbox One X" so those don't need to be listed separately. Chrisxdxl (talk) 10:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This arises because of two separate "generation" concepts. There's the concept of "generations of the same hardware line from the same vendor", and then separately, the concept of "industry generations, a collection of competing consoles from multiple vendors". These can overlap. There's several instances where a vendor has multiple consoles within the same industry generation. -- ferret (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2022

Add Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer (2mil units sold) to this list. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/3DO_Interactive_Multiplayer 69.143.223.11 (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Not done. The source the article used is generally seen as unreliable in the sales figures it reported. Best to find a different, better source. Sergecross73 msg me 19:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Xbox Series X

Sergecross73, why did you revert my data that it was sold Xbox Series X and S by August 15.98 million units? 1 Why do you think that the Androidauthority.com is not a reliable source, I do not think that it is on the blacklist in Wikipedia. Can you prove that Microsoft is not releasing sales data now? Jirka.h23 (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Source from VGChartz. Jirka.h23 (talk) 17:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

VGChartz is unreliable. -- ferret (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Ferret, Where does it say on Wikipedia that it not reliable and must not be used? VGChartz: has defended the credibility and reliability of its sales data, often comparing their numbers with the ones published by NPD Group. It is also widely used, I have seen it many time on Wikipedia for estimates. Jirka.h23 (talk) 17:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:CONSENSUS is at WP:VG/S. VGChartz is unusable on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 17:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Come on, it's in the talk page header, in an edit notice, AND listed at WP:VG/S as unreliable. -- ferret (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

The simplest of Google searches came up with proof that Microsoft stopped reporting sales figures 7 years ago too. This info is truly available all around you if you put any effort into finding it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

And on top of that, to quote their own claims of NPD equivolence while leaving out the second half of that sentence: although some charts have been retroactively adjusted to better match NPD's monthly reports.. VGChartz isn't just unreliable by WIkipedia consensus, that article is full of *other* reliable sources saying that VGChartz is unreliable. -- ferret (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I did not had any edit notice, but you are right, it is listed on WP:VG/S blacklist. Maybe I saw it on other language mutations of Wikipedia. Regarding Microsoft, why do you sending me 7 year old article? In that case, we couldn't use any numbers for Microsoft all those years. Jirka.h23 (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

You asked me "Can you prove that Microsoft is not releasing sales data now?". I was simply answering your question, nothing more. Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Steam Deck

I know data is limited so far, but I definitely think we should list the Steam Deck on here. It's the handheld made by Valve. It's estimated sales are around 1 million so far. and potentially the Steam Machine it's a defunct console they made a number of years ago. it sold under 1 million, close to 500k 2601:243:1400:D95:7985:FC8B:7A4A:462 (talk) 03:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Steam Deck - I've never seen any sales figures be released, or any reliably-sourced estimates either.

Regarding Steam Machine, the cut off point is at least one million sold, so it doesn't belong on there even if you provide sources for that claim. Sergecross73 msg me 03:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Console sales by manufacturer

There used to be a table for 'console sales by manufacturer' which was included in this page. It listed to total consoles sold by Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Atari, Sega, etc., and was updated as the different brands continued to sell units. This was super helpful info for videos I have made in the past but the table no longer exists on this page. And it wasn't moved to its own page, but instead deleted for good, based on what I can see from the edit history. SamSneadBilt (talk) 03:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Be bold and re-add it? I thought the colour coding was useful as well.Halbared (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

If it's been removed in the past, that's not really the time to be "bold". There was probably some sort of conceptual or sourcing issue. And re-adding probably wouldn't be as simple as dragging it out of the page history either, since it's likely outdated now. Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed it in Special:Diff/1037479591. It was indeed partially in response to unsourced/incorrect figure changes. I can think of no other article of "best-selling" that then has sub-tables like "by vendor/publisher". If you really need this, you can always sum it up yourself in Google Sheets or something. -- ferret (talk) 14:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I can't either which is why I am disappointed that the only easily accessible table that had all this information was removed. SamSneadBilt (talk) 02:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Neo Geo AES

According to these sources listed on both the Neo Geo page and the fourth generation consoles page, the Neo Geo AES sold about 1.18 million units.

Should it be added the the list? 24.15.214.201 (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Game Date Library, a random site hosted on Google, is not reliable. The Consoles+ magazine doesn't seem to support a figure of 180k for Neo Geo. -- ferret (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

PS4 still on market

PlayStation 4 are still present and not discontinued yet. Should it be indicated green or has it been discontinued in secret? Doremon764 (talk) 15:23, 8 November 2022 (UTC)