Talk:List of Mayday episodes/Archive 6

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To the people adding S16E04-S16E05 incidents

Even though the titles have been released, there is still no 100% direct proof that those episodes really cover the incidents believed.

Wait until the episode actually airs before putting the said accident on the page unless you can include a direct link that directly states that the episode is included. It is best to have more than 1 reliable link confirm each other before putting it on. Tntad (talk) 23:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Tntad. It's best to wait until it's reliably sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattChatt18 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I just want to add that there is an image of China Airlines Flight 120 in the video section from Nat Geo Australia http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/tv/air-crash-investigation/videos.aspx The video dislays the tenerife accident trailer so it must be some sort of error. Tntad (talk) 22:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Just to let you know we will add the episodes as soon as they are aired, so just be patient. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattChatt18 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

The Episode Deadly Detail aired in New Zealand and the incident for that episode is indeed China Airlines 120, so the episode has been added. The episode title does not make much sense, but it is not the worst title they have made. Just wait until Deadly Detour airs before adding that episode just like how we waited for this one. We appreciate your patience. Tntad (talk) 10:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

According to Foxtel title search - S15E5: Deadly Detour (Proteus Airlines Flight 706), S15E6: Dangerous Approach (Continental Express Flight 2286) TheGRVOfLightning(talk) 07:20, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Alright. All the episodes have aired and they have all been listed. For the rest of the episodes, please make sure it is on either NatGeo AU or NatGeo UK before adding it to the list. The reason why we did not add those couple episodes to the list right away is because we did not know what the episodes were linked to and we do not do semi blank episodes in the list (episodes with just an airdate or just a title [ We need the incident ]). Thanks very much for your patience and see you when the next ones come! Tntad (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Let's, please, remove the causes of crashes

I, like Simon, use this page to discover new episodes of Mayday to watch and I believe that the causes of crashes should be removed from the episode descriptions. Anyone who would like to see the cause of the crash can simply click the "Incident" link and learn about the crash in more detail there. Also, it would be easy to remove the causes as they are typically included in a single sentence at the end of the episode description. I don't quite see the point of telling someone about an episode of a show and telling them what happens at the same time — just doesn't make sense. Anyways, thanks guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtchristopherson (talk • contribs) 02:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I suggest we keep the causes of the crashes on the episode descriptions. Removing the causes can mess up the article's quality, although some descriptions don't have the cause and most descriptions do. So let's leave the descriptions as they are. MattChatt18 (talk) 09:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Rtchristopherson: WP:Spoiler pretty much covers this issue....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The episode descriptions look fine to me. MattChatt18 (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I have to agree that the causes of accidents are spoilers and should not be in the description for the page. A description of an episode is designed to grab people into watching the episode and should NEVER contain spoilers. There are people who never read about the incident portrayed before watching an episode. It is not pleasant for everyone is someone decides to ruin the moment, I get that the internet is full of spoilers but this page is provoking that kind of behavior. You don't see other shows adding information about the plot like resolutions on Wikipedia after the episode has aired, so why is this show an exception? Just remove the spoilers as others can find out about the incident by clicking on the name of the flight right next to the title. Tntad (talk) 00:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to disagree. This might screw up the article's quality. MattChatt18 (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

How so? If you look at the descriptions from the NatGeo websites, they do a great job on detailing the episodes without spoiling anything. A description does not need to be a lengthy paragraph, it mainly needs to be concise.Tntad (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I just think they look fine. The causes in the descriptions don't explain the causes in much detail. MattChatt18 (talk) 16:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

The wrong seasons for episodes

Please have a look at the names of some episodes (on TV) and they are listed wrong on Wikipedia, for example, it says that the episode 'M1 Plane Crash/Choosing Sides' is in Season 14, but on the TV it says Season 13. If you see these mistakes, please try and change them all. Captain Eddie Leathwood (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:18, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Why did you vandalize this page?! Put it back together! MattChatt18 (talk) 14:12, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

He is not doing anything maliciously. You very rarely find anyone who is determined enough to do that.

Eddie, the titles that are provided next to the incident are the Canadian titles. Since Mayday is a Canadian-based television series, the Canadian titles appear first. We have a section of the page called "Alternate Titles" where the UK, Australia, and US titles are displayed. The seasons are not listed wrong. Infact, there are 17 seasons as of today (Season 17 is in production). We display episodes in seasons based by their production from Cineflix (The company that films and owns the rights to Mayday). I see where you misunderstood the Mayday Wiki page. We do not live up to the UK Air Crash Investigation Page completely, but we do use that if there are no other valuable sources. Mayday Discovery or Cineflix sources always have priority over UK NatGeo, Australia NatGeo, etc. Please undo your edits where you changed titles or seasons and keep the structure of the page as it was.Tntad (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I added on Mayday (TV series) that Season 17 might not happen for unforeseen reasons. If you look at this website: http://www.actratoronto.com/whats-shooting/, you can see that the insurer is still TBC. It has been TBC since it started production. Let's wait and see what happens. MattChatt18 (talk) 13:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Eddie, will you please stop changing the names of the episodes? They are the ORIGINAL names. If you change the names again, I will report you as a vandal and you will be blocked. MattChatt18 (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

There is no need for belligerence and editwars.

However, I do have to agree. Eddie, please don't make edits regarding titles names (except for brand new episodes) unless you have consulted with someone about the change. You cannot just dismiss these discussions without sharing your insight in a proper manner. This applies to everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tntad (talk • contribs)

References

Recent edit warring - possible sock puppetry

All of the recent changes to the list with the as yet unconfirmed final episodes of series 16 seem to be originating from two editors Dkendel and Ilham muhammad. Ilham muhammad has an edit history stretching back to 2011 with long gaps between edits but seems to have been mainly concerned with aerospace topics. The edit history for Dkendel goes back to 28 November 2016 and is entirely concerned with editing the List of Mayday episodes.

This is an area that needs further investigation to sort out just what is going on, especially as Dkendel starts his edits the day after after the last time Ilham muhammad had their edits on this page reverted, Graham1973 (talk) 06:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Season 17 - News

Cinifex have updated the Air Crash Investigations page to show that the 2017 season will be 10 Episodes. But there is no official announcement (Eg I checked the news page). This post has been created to hold all legitimate news and information on this season as it comes in.Graham1973 (talk) 10:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

We will have to see. For now, there's no official word on Season 17, weather it will be confirmed or not. MattChatt18 (talk) 12:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Creating Category: Aviation accidents and incidents featured on Mayday

Anyone opposed? I doubt it. (I also left this on the main series talk page, but no one answered and I thought I'd get more of a response here.) Layla, the remover (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Not sure it adds any value to the article, I certainly would oppose it and propose it for deletion if it was created. MilborneOne (talk) 18:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Layla, the remover:This category has been created once before[3] and was deleted. If it is created again, I will nominate it for speedy deletion per WP:G4. In fact a NAVBOX was also created for these episodes and it was deleted too[4].

Well ok, didn't know that it was a G4. I guess that makes sense. Layla, the remover (talk) 02:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Edit fully-protected request on December 12, 2016

Run this script on the article to correctly format the |OriginalAirDate= parameter in the usages of {{Episode list}} to use {{Start date}}, per the documentation of the template and remove the article from Category:Episode lists with unformatted air dates. I've been mass-removing articles from the category by running this script, but I can't update this one due to the protection level. Alex|The|Whovian^? 13:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: how about you put a version in a sandbox or at Draft:List of Mayday episodes which has the dates formatted correctly? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Done. There's also a number of other edits that should be implemented on this article to bring it up to WP:TV standards, but I'm not sure if these should be implemented with the current level of protection the article has. Alex|The|Whovian^? 00:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected

I notice this article is indefinitely fully-protected. I would probably dealt with this by blocking the edit warriors (Dkendel for sure and possibly WilliamJE too) rather than protection. Is it time to unprotect yet? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we can change it back to silver. I told Dkendel to stop. How about putting the lock back to silver so I can edit this article. I'm not a vandal or anything. MattChatt18 (talk) 17:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 13 December 2016: The aircraft involved in S5E07 "Air India: Explosive Evidence" (Air India Flight 182) is more specifically a Boeing 747-237B.

The aircraft involved in S5E07 "Air India: Explosive Evidence" (Air India Flight 182) is more specifically a Boeing 747-237B. (As stated in the linked article. I am also trying to include another web reference, but for some reason it does not show up in the edit preview.) --IByte (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

We do not include the Boeing customer code infixes in the model numbers; nor for that matter do we include the Airbus engine model infixes in their model numbers. These infixes are meaningless to a layperson. YSSYguy (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Rest of Season 16 and Season 17

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation

This link contains not only Episodes 6-10 of Season 16 but also the first two episodes of Season 17! No air dates yet for any of these episodes. The accidents involved [b]based upon this link[/b] and their titles are: For Season 16:

S16E07: Crash in the Alps (Unknown incident)

S16E08: River Runway (Garuda Indonesia Flight 421)

S16E09: [Unknown Title] (AirAsia Flight 8501))

S16E10: [Unknown Title] (National Airlines Flight 102)

For Season 17:

S17E01: [Unknown Title] (Northwest Airlink Flight 5719)

S17E02: [Unknown Title] (Comair Flight 3272)

This will be an interesting ending to Season 16 and a spectacular beginning to Season 17. I tried to make the edit, but I noticed that the page has been blocked for some reason. I don't know what happened since I was away, but when will it be back to normal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tntad (talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

So this link has the airdates for Deadly Solution (AirAsia Flight 8501) and Murder in the Skies (UK title is Crash in the Alps). The accident is Germanwings Flight 9525. http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/tv/air-crash-investigation/episodes.aspx?series=15

Sorry that I did not put this in earlier, but it was missing from my original post. Tntad (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't add them on because this article is fully protected. Can we at least change the lock to silver again? I want to edit this article again.MattChatt18 (talk) 18:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 December 2016

Can someone change the lock back to silver again? I told Dkendel to stop. I feel like editing this article again for improvements or changes. Thanks. MattChatt18 (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC) MattChatt18 (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

 Not done to request a change in protection level, please see WP:RFPP. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

If you are going to have a page fully blocked from editing, then it is irresponsible to not respond to the talk page even days later. I suggest that the proper way to resolve this is for an administrator to monitor the talk page or resuce the full edit-block. Otherwise it gives a negative image about the people that do have editing capabilities at this point. Tntad (talk) 08:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Fine! It looks like I will NEVER edit this article again! DAMN! MattChatt18 (talk) 14:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 29 December 2016

I want someone to add the info about episode 7 and 8 for season 16 of Mayday that i have written under this. Season 16 of the Mayday series contains 10 episodes, but just 6 are on Wikipedia. I hope i also can add the info about episode 9 and 10. Thank you. User:Dkendel

1377"Murder in the Skies"Germanwings Flight 95252017 (2017)

On 24 March 2015, an Airbus A320-211 operated by Germanwings, crashes 100 kilometres (62 mi) north-west of Nice in the French Alps after a constant descent that begins one minute after the last routine contact with air traffic control. All 144 passengers and six crew members got killed.

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Type of aircraft: Airbus A320-211

1388"River Runway"Garuda Indonesia Flight 4212017 (2017)

On January 16 2002, a Boeing 737-300 loses both of it engines after it flies into a thunderstorm containing heavy rain and hail which results in a loss of all generated electrical power. The plane did a successful ditching in the Bengawan Solo River that only caused one fatality.

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Type of aircraft: Boeing 737-3Q8

Dkendel (talk) 09:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Done no response in 3 days, so assuming this is uncontroversial — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@MSGJ:, it is unreferenced. This page has a long history of putting entries in that are untrue[5] Secondly, this is the holiday season. Many editors have slowed down. Three days is hardly sufficient. It is a holiday weekend.

Bottom line- I object to entries without a WP:RS and BTW Imdb does not qualify as one....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I got you two reliable sources:

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/tv/air-crash-investigation/episodes.aspx?series=15

You're welcome. "Murder in the Skies" (Crash in the Alps for UK) airs January 23rd in UK, "River Runway" airs January 30th in UK, "Deadly Solution" airs February 7th in Australia, and no known air date for Episode 10, but it is listed on the NatGeoUK Website. I like to keep an open mind too, but this is indisputable evidence that these episodes are legitimate. Also, first two episodes of season 17 are listed on NatGeoUK too. No airdate or title, but the accidents are included in the description. Tntad (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 episodes removed

There is nothing in the IC provided for a season 17. It goes up to season 16....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 03:21, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I came to the conclusion of the first two episodes of Season 17 based upon the same source for episodes 7-10 which were under "Season 15": http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation If you click under "Season 16" (The NatGeo pages are 1 number behind the Discovery Seasons), two episodes labeled "Killer Attitude" and "Deadly Myth" are shown with descriptions of Northwest Airlink Flight 5719 and Comair Flight 3272. NatGeoUK uses the same URL for episode lists despite which season you select. I am not entirely sure what you mean by IC, but could you explain? Thanks. Tntad (talk) 04:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

You are making a mistake, William. Although it says season 16, it's actually season 17. Mistakes happen. MattChatt18 (talk) 10:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:IC is another word for reference. It means Inline citation. The page says season 16. You think it is wrong but that's an opinion or WP:OR. Thirdly, the section even says "Per WP:TVUPCOMING, do not include 2017 until episodes have actually aired in 2017" They haven't aired nor do you have a date for them, nor are they season 17 per WP:RS. Removed again....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

So basically this dispute is over two people saying that, when NatGeo says "Season 16", what it means is "Season 16 and a bit of Season 17". What is the basis for this point of view? If it is because the previous season was 10 episodes, that's not enough - you need to provide a decent source saying that season 16 is ten episodes. Mattchat, you wailed and gashed your teeth and behaved as if the world had come to an untimely end when the article was fully-protected; it will likely be fully-protected again if this issue is not sorted out here. YSSYguy (talk)

Thanks for making it clear, William. I forgot to remove the 2017 and 10 Episodes when I was reviewing my edit before it was published. YSSYguy is right. It is best to discuss any major disputes in a calm manner before re-reverting people's edits and assuming them as false. This is why talk pages exist to prevent this kind of behavior. As the person who initially added the Season 17 episodes section to the article, I think it is best to just leave aside for now until another source can explain it further. I am not saying that NatGeoUK is incorrect, but it should remain off the article until we can be fully confident with the status of those two episodes. It won't be the end of the world if we have the patience. Tntad (talk) 22:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I could go through the archives of this article to learn exactly when, but four or five years ago NatGeo or Cineflix(I think it was Cineflix) said there was an upcoming episode on Air New Zealand Flight 901. It was never made. These are usually RS but that makes you think nothing should be listed till we have an actual airdate. For some reason an episode can be announced but not made. BTW I am the creator of the article on the Northwest Airlink crash that is supposedly going to be made into an episode. A very interesting accident. I have created 20 to 30 45 crash articles and YSSYguy has sometimes worked with me on them....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I remember when that occured. They tried to produce an episode with that, but it "did not pan out" according to Shannon Foerter (A producer for Mayday at Cineflix at that time). However, Air New Zealand was never listed on any NatGeo which was the calling card to omit it from the article. ANZ 901 for Mayday is a textbook example that a RS is not always true. This is why I was told to wait until 2 RS were confirming the same thing before adding episodes, two seasons ago. Tntad (talk) 23:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

~~ Fine! Of course you named it "supposedly". If you EVER attempt to put the "SUPPOSEDLY" Season 17 episodes on the article, even with a confirmed air date or is actually aired, I will delete them! MattChatt18 (talk) 12:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Calm down MattChatt18. When NatGeo U.K writes that season 16 is the latest season they mean season 17. I know this doesn't seem right, but it is. I'll explain. When I looked threw the seasons listed on NatGeo U.K i saw that there wasn't and isn't a season called "season 6". They just jumped over it. Season 7 is normal and is alike with the info on Wikipedia. But, when I looked at season 8 I could see that there were many more episodes that it should have been. Season 8 is a special season containing only 2 episodes, but there not on NatGeo U.K .NatGeo had and has put the episodes from season 9 into season 8. This is why some of you guys think that we can't publish "season 17" because NatGeo U.K written down incorrect information.

DK (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I will still remove them, even if an air date is confirmed or is aired. I think Nat Geo UK is crap, anyway, and so is Nat Geo Australia cause it will mistaken Season 17 for 16. MattChatt18 (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I have repeatedly checked the Cinifex Website and while the Cinifex Rights website mentions a 10 episode season 17 the main site does not, nor has there been any production announcement that I can find.Graham1973 (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Tell you what, WilliamJE. I will delete the SUPPOSEDLY Season 17 episodes, even if it's DEFINITLY confirmed or actually aired. Nat Geo UK is shit, anyway. If you put it on the article, even if it's actually aired or confirmed, I WILL 'DELETE' IT! MattChatt18 (talk) 22:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

We are taking time to put the supposed episodes on hold as there have been disputes of false/unconfirmed episodes. One major example is the Air New Zealand Flight 901 episode that was supposed to be for Season 13 but dropped for Itavia Flight 870. Unfortunately, this resulted in a lot of controversy with what should be placed on the article. National Geographic is the channel that airs the episodes (Smithsonian for US and Discovery for Canada), so their episode guide contributes a significant lot to this page. Last season, we waited until the first episode of the new season aired. Afterwards, we added the rest of the episodes. We will do no different this season. Once the first episode of the new season appears on television, then the rest of the season will be added to the article based upon what is available on their guide.

In addition, The first episode of a new season listed here: http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation, is set to air February 20th (surprising how it is the week after the Season 16 final episode). Keep your eyes on the day after that. I understand you might be frustrated from this, but I also want to ensure that we do not add an episode that could be dropped at the last minute. Let's not get aggressive with this, and take it slowly.Tntad (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I may have a different point of view than you lot, but OK then, I will add it on as soon as it's aired. I'm sorry for the palaver. MattChatt18 (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Just making it clear that the episodes currently listed on Nat Geo UK of Season 17 should be added as a separate season once the supposed first episode has aired (February 20th) and can be validated as being legitimate. Wait until that moment before making any changes involving these episodes. Alright, see you then. Tntad (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2017

I want to add the Season 17 of Mayday episodes, they are announced already but they are not on this wikipedia page. The new episode list is here: https://twitter.com/2013AirCrash2/status/820418754718748672 In the tweet he thanks the executive producer Alex Bystram, who if you search on Google works at Cineflix and is the executive producer of the Mayday Air disasters series. Jerryjerryjerryjerry (talk) 10:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is not a reliable source. Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 10:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

We also understand that Season 17 episodes 1-4 are listed on NatGeoUK and AU. In the previous discussion on this talk page, it has been determined to wait until Monday before adding those 4 episodes as we need to confirm that a new season is truly coming soon due to the odd nature of the season's premier. Please wait until the first episode has aired on television before adding them. Cheers. Tntad (talk) 20:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Should a mention of Mayday be made in relevant crash articles?

There is a talk page discussion here[6] concerning just this....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

New colors on season headers

I think that the season headers should have some color included like other "List of xxx episodes" wikipedia pages. However, i dont know how to implement that on this page. Should somebody that knows how to to this do it? Thanks:)DK (talk) 16:29, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous

Only one Season 14 episode is confirmed?!. The other episodes will never ever be announced and BTW, I'll delete the episodes you editors put up. The sources are all unreliable! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.85.67 (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 Episodes Added

As we agreed in a previous discussion, we would wait until the first episode airs on television before adding it to the article. I was fortunate enough to be in the UK during the time where "Killer Attitude" aired and saw it premier on television, it was a very interesting accident. Because the first episode was shown on television at the date and time planned on NatGeoUK, the episodes currently listed on both NatGeoUK and AU will be added to the article (episode 1-4). Cheers and enjoy the new episodes to come. Tntad (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I just looked at the NatGeoUK page and the seasons are scrambled, but the airdates remain the same except for episodes 3 and 4. Because of this, I am using the Australia NatGeo page for the airdates for those 2 episodes. These airdates are subject to change. Tntad (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Executive Producer Alex Bystram released the Season 17 episode list on twitter link Episode 1: Northwest Airlink Flight 5719 (Killer Attitude) (Airing: February 20, 2017) Episode 2: Comair Flight Flight 3272 (Deadly Myth) (Airing: February 27, 2017) Episode 3: Air China International Flight 129 (Turning Point/Air China Flight 129) (Airing: March 6, 2017) Episode 4: Trans World Airlines Flight 800 (Explosive Proof) (Airing: March 13, 2017) Episode 5: Garuda Flight 152 (TBA) (Airing: TBA 2017) Episode 6: USAir Flight 1016 (TBA) (Airing: TBA 2017) Episode 7: TransAsia Flight 235 (TBA) (Airing: TBA 2017) Episode 8: Metrojet Flight 9268 (TBA) (Airing: TBA 2017) Episode 9: LAPA Flight 3142 (TBA) (Airing: TBA 2017) Episode 10: Thai International Airways Flight 311 (TBA) (Airing: 2017) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.219.134 (talk) 05:51, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

They need to be sourced first. Just be patient. Thanks. MattChatt18 (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Twitter fails WP:RS. Without a RS, they will not be added....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Do any of the following count as reliable sources?
https://www.tvtime.com/en/show/79771/episode/6004773
https://www.tvtime.com/en/show/79771/episode/6004774
https://next-episode.net/mayday/season-17--Renerpho (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi can someone switch the episode 7 & 8 in the correct order, as it create confusions. Thank you in advance.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2017

Episode 11 (Season 2, #5) summary is incorrect. There is no mention of a dog in the broadcast episode. Change sentence, "Only four passengers and a dog survive." to "Only four passengers survive." 79.75.121.171 (talk) 21:07, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Undone: This request has been undone. See American Airlines Flight 965. The dog is one of the survivors of the crash. nihlus kryik (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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Wrong Original Airdate

According to this website https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Mayday_episodes, it states that Season 15 episodes 3: High Rise Catastrophe aired on February 1st 2016. However according to this website https://www.discovery.ca/Shows/Mayday, and my memory; it aired on January 29th 2016. Could we change this, Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.21.186 (talk) 05:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Trans Colorado accident

This isn't relevant to WP but I'm going to post it.

At the end of the episode, an expert says 'To my knowledge, there has not been any other case of drugs involved in an airline accident.'

There has. A medical transport flight crashed in 2011 and the pilot had marijuana in his system. The pilots of that plane flew it till it ran out of gas. The husband and wife they were transporting- John Bialek, 80, and his wife Ilomae Bialek, 75 - Both died as a result.

Ilomae Bialek spoke to my wife the day the crash happened. My wife is the receptionist at our church and the Bialeks were parishioners.

Mayday isn't considered a reliable source because the episodes are considered dramatizations.[7] At least one time they haven't got the facts right. Maybe my relating this is relevant after all....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Deadly Mission

Apparently, the titles for Season 18 Episode 6 and Season 15 Episode 5 are both the same, Deadly Mission (at least in the UK). Please don't upload the title for S18E06 in the alternative titles section until the episode has actually aired. Then we'll know. Me | Talk 07:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

We don't have to wait for that. We already know they've doubled up on episode titles in the past. They've doubled up on "Deadly Delay" (S02E06, S15E07), "Turning Point" (S11E06, S17E03), and "Blind Landing" (S04E04, S12E05) [Note, these involve alternate titles except for "Turning Point"]. Tntad (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Season 18

The person behind the YouTube Channel "Air Crash Disasters" has been tweeting that a). Season 18 will start on February 13 and b). A list of the first five episodes. I've checked Discovery Channel Canada and they are still listing the Season 17 episodes. This message is just to alert people that this information is out there, but until we have a reliable source (National Geographic TV, Discovery Canada etc.) it's not post-able. Graham1973 (talk) 04:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Just to prevent any confusion to anyone who's new to this wikipage, Yes, NatGeo AU, UK, and NZ are listing Season 18 episodes. And no, the situation of NatGeo showing them as Season 17 is not the reason why they aren't added yet. Anyone with fundamental counting skills can figure out that they actually mean Season 18 and it's not WP:OR.

However, we still cannot add any new episodes yet because of per WP:TvUPCOMING. That rule prevents episodes from being listed in any episode guide pages until at least 1 episode from the same season has aired within the same year (in this case, 2018). It's counter-intuitive but we have to abide by them.

If you are curious about which episodes will be featured, NatGeoNZ is the best place to find info. Episode 1 airs in Australia on February 13th. After that, you should be allowed to put up the rest of the available episodes. Link to NatGeoNZ is https://www.natgeotv.com/za/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation Tntad (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree. We do tend to wait until after the first episode of the new season has aired. After that, you should be OK to add the rest. MattChatt18 (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

The episodes under Season 18 are listed out of order. Hadrian Dressler 19:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I've just located an interview with the producers of the series, it gives some clues as to Season 18 including a 2nd appearance by QANTAS (Qantas Flight 72), but no episode orders, also contains some hints as to what Season 19 might be, namely an entire season of compilation episodes if the last quote is anything to go by.

http://tellybinge.co.uk/interviews/alex-bystram-interview-air-crash-investigation/

Graham1973 (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

It also gives a clue about Continental Airlines Flight 1713Tntad (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure weather tellybinge.co.uk is reliable or not. Let's see what editors have to say MattChatt18 (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Tellybinge looks like a gossip or tabloid website. IMHO it fails WP:RS....William, is the complaint department really on the roof?

I'm thinking of adding Qantas 72 and Continental 1713 with the source next to it and leave the season 19 bit out. If anyone disagrees, let me know. MattChatt18 (talk) 11:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I kind of agree with Qantas 72 and Continental 1713 being held off despite an editor posting footage of him editing Continental 1713 on YouTube. However, I think we can all agree that China Airlines Flight 140 will be in Season 18 because of this: http://www.natgeotv.com/in/photo-of-the-day/2018/february/4.

Why should it be allowed?

·Photo caption says it's from Air Crash Investigation

·Says it involves China Airlines Flight 140

·From analyzing the photo, it displays "China Airlines 140" "A300-600R", "Nagoya Airport" "B-1816"

·Even if you can't use the photo as a source, the caption provides no doubt.

·"Blank" episodes with accident known are allowed. Same scenario happened with Varig Flight 254 ~3.5 years ago.

·WP:COMMON and there's no hierarchy of WP

Tntad (talk) 00:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm thinking of adding China Airlines 140, but leaving Qantas 72 and Continental 1713 until there's a better source for them. MattChatt18 (talk) 11:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Plus, The source regarding China Airlines 140 is from Nat Geo, so I guess there's no problem with that. MattChatt18 (talk) 11:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Season 18 episode 7 and 8

I found some images regarding Season 18 episodes 7 and 8: http://www.natgeotv.com/int/air-crash-investigation/galleries/crash-scenes#157122

Shall I add them on, or wait till there's another source for them. What do you guys think? MattChatt18 (talk) 16:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Plus, the photos are from Nat Geo. If anyone disagrees that they should be on, let me know. MattChatt18 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what crash those photos are supposed to be of....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

^^Basically this^^. The photos only help narrow down candidates for the remaining episodes. The exception is China Airlines Flight 140 which is already on the page. Tntad (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Update on Episode 7: According to https://www.fng.tw/ngc/view_content.php?id=7242&pn=1 (a.k.a. NatGeo Taiwan), episode 7 will feature Qantas Flight 72 and will air April 26th, 2018. Wikipedia does allow non-English sources although English sources obtain more precedence. Despite that, I can't find any English sources stating Qantas 72. Even though it seems obvious to put this on the article, I can understand why some would be doubtful about it. Because of that, I will add the episode by the end of the weekend if no one brings any reasonable discrepancies with this. Note that this was the same region that aired Garuda 152 and Metrojet 9268 an entire month early than the UK/Australia. Tntad (talk) 02:44, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

Season 18 - Reverse No and #. 125.209.178.224 (talk) 00:20, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done .spintendo⋅⋅) 03:06, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

ep listing template blocks reorganise request

page template small change please

Re https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mayday_episodes

On each ep listing swap the order of the listing subsections from A) 5-col table B) body text C) Type of aircraft listing To: A), C), then B).

This should avoid continuous confusion esp on a smartphone view of each ep & its relevant aircraft. (The thick divider line just isn't enough!) Lizziebeth-1 (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I can't edit the page

Excuse me, I can't edit the page. I'm logged in, but it still says view source, etc. MattChatt20 (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Add compilation episodes?

The 10 compilation episodes in Season 18 have already started to air on National Geographic France, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Russia, and Brazil. It's listed on the TV guides of all of them. In addition, S18E11 / S18E12 is already online and ready to watch.

S18E11 - Communication Breakdown

S18E12 - Bad Attitude

S18E13 - Hero Pilots

S18E14 - Plane vs. Pilot

S18E15 - Explosive Evidence

S18E16 - Killer in the Cockpit?

S18E17 - Missing Pieces

S18E18 - Controversial Crashes

S18E19 - Deadly Distractions

S18E20 - Fire on Board

I think we can, but we will have to wait until they have aired first because we have no idea which crashes they'll cover, but the first 4 have been added. MattChatt20 (talk) 13:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Moving spoilers into spoiler code

I was just flipping through this page to see what episodes I'd like to watch, only to discover that most episodes have spoilers placed openly in the description, which completely ruins the mystery aspect of the shows, which is a major 'selling point' for shows like this.

They are mysteries and the mystery should be preserved unless someone clicks on a spoiler button and chooses to see it.

I'm going to go ahead and start chipping away at this and putting the spoiler parts of the descriptions in spoiler code (the non spoiler parts will remain visible). If anyone else wants to help, feel free, it may take me a good while to do this.Spaceboy909 (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Not sure being based on real life that you can have spoilers, they may look like dramas but in the end they are just real life stuff fluffed up for entertainment. So no we dont need anything hidden. MilborneOne (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I completely disagree. You can have spoilers for anything that is a mystery, whether real or fiction, tv or book, and I've put enormous time into this genre in my life, so I'm well versed in how much enjoyment is removed by way of spoilers. These shows are clearly designed as a mystery. If that wasn't the intention, then then they would not have scripted and advertised in that fashion. They would be written very differently.

Just because there will be some that don't care about the mystery aspect doesn't mean there aren't those that do. And for those that don't care, well, there's little point in watching the shows since they are literally dramatic mysteries, as opposed to a clinical breakdown for engineers. If one just wants to 'know what happened', then you can keyword search it on an SE and pull up a news article.

Finally, having the spoiler code for the small portion of the description that applies will not hurt anyone since all you have to do is click the button to see it. My guess is that few would be clicking those tags for obvious reasons.Spaceboy909 (talk) 00:11, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

A bit late, but it's also worth mentioning that was discussed 2 years ago with no consensus. Tntad (talk) 04:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I personally really get a lot out of watching the NTSB (or whoever) *carefully* check the plane, the weather, the maintenance records, the pilots' backgrounds, etc to determine what, *exactly*, caused the crashes. I've been so impressed by the thoroughness and trustworthiness of the NTSB I wish we could replace our current govt (US, 2018) with it. I'm also very impressed with how the episodes are put together. A lot of excellent work. I would have to say Air Disasters is the best show on TV. Annst (talk) 08:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

List of upcoming episodes

Is there a place where I can find the upcoming episodes listed, with titles, dates to be aired, and which one of the five names of the program (here, US, it's been Air Disasters) I should use when setting my recorder. Annst (talk) 08:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Punctuation improvements request

We need some commas in the S14E05 description, S14E11 description and the UPS 6 description to improve punctuation:

'flips over, bursting into flames'

'As of February 2015, the Boeing 777-200ER has not been found'

'land back at the airport, but are unsuccessful'

Yes! Commas are necessary to eliminate ambiguity. *Necessary*! Annst (talk) 08:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

And semicolons. If you use a comma where the punctuation should be a semicolon, you create a run-on sentence. I always run out of breath when I have to force my way through a run-on sentence. Annst (talk) 08:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Original airdates for Season 18 Episodes 7 and 8

It states on the List of Mayday Episodes that Season 18 episode 7, "Free Fall" and episode 8 "Deadly Inclination" aired on June 15th and June 22nd, 2018. This is true as they aired on Nat Geo Australia on these dates, however, these two episodes aired in Canada on June 13th and June 20th, 2018. It is my belief that because episodes 7 and 8 aired in Canada two days before Australia, and the show is produced on Canada, then the air dates should be changed to the Canadian air dates and not the Australian. Plus, the air dates for episodes 9 and 10 are listed for the Canadian air date, and the Canadian title is the official title for an episode.

Signing post for archiving. Redalert2fan (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

S19 link wrong in Series Overwiev

Links to "#Season_19_(2018)", but should be "#Season_19_(2019)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD7:C813:0:5C7A:57F8:9DE2:3AA1 (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019

Some Air Emergency and Air Disasters equivalents, on the Smithsonian Channel, in the Alternate titles section, have the wrong episode numbers listed. I found the following errors in Mayday season 3 / Air Disasters season 6. There may be errors in other seasons as well. I only checked this one season.

"Hanging by a Thread" should be S06.E06. It is listed as E01.

"Attack over Baghdad" should be S06.E05 It is listed as E02.

"Out of Control" should be S06.E04 It is listed as E03.

"Fight for Your Life" should be S06.E03 It is listed as E04.

"Bomb on Board" should be S06.E02 It is listed as E05.

"Mistaken Identity" should be S06.E01 It is listed as E06.

. EddieRStevens (talk) 11:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The nature of the show and the different formats in which they have been aired (on the Smithsonian Channel in some countries but National Geographic Channel in others) means that there is no concrete episode number per se. How the shows have been packaged to air as a purchase on Amazon (either as a downloadable file or as a DVD) is a system which may be unique to Amazon alone, and may not be the case as in other aired formats.  Spintendo  00:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

References

2018/2019 seasons and episodes

I don't think the article accurately reflects seasons 18 and 19. The production company's website shows both Season 18 and Season 19 (produced in 2018) with 10 episodes each. I've read on Reddit that S18E11 through S18E20 don't contain any new material, and even the Discovery website lists S18E10 Dead of Winter as the last episode, the following ten are compilations. It probably makes sense to list them as specials, not part of season 18. --Saftorangen (talk) 21:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2019

In the Alternate Titles section, in the United States column, in the "Season 18 (2018)" section, the episode Deadly Space needs to be deleted (i.e. the text, within that cell). On approx. March 7 or 8 of 2019, that episode was "mysteriously" purged from the Smithsonian web site, AND, from its broadcast schedules. Put simply, it never aired. That can easily be verified in the current S12 schedule, here: https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-disasters/802

I have my suspicions as to why the episode was pulled, but that’s another story…

As the table is intended to cross-reference the episodes within the various countries, I assume that the subsequent (US) episodes should not be collapsed (i.e. moved “up”), within the US column. However, all of these US episodes (in that section) are Season 12 episodes, from the Smithsonian Channel’s perspective, and if someone eventually fills in the right-most column (S.Ep.), with S12 numbering, the sequential numbering should exclude that episode.

FWLIW, I maintain the Air Disasters content on IMDB, and originally added, and now have had to purge, this same episode. My guess is that it may not ever air in the US, but if it does, it will almost certainly be in some future season.

Thanks! SerenityValley (talk) 23:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

The Deadly Space episode you're referring to is the one about the Dag Hammarskjold crash, correct? The chart we have shows that episode as having the dual name of Deadly Mission, which aired as part of Smithsonian's season 9. Is the one you're referring to a different episode? Please advise.  Spintendo  21:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: per User:Spintendo's query. If request still needs to be implemented once his query has been answered, please reopen this request by changing "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no". NiciVampireHeart 19:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2019

Change "On 31 March 1995, TAROM Flight 371 banks steeply to the left and crashes into a field shortly after taking off from Otopeni International Airport, killing all 60 people on board. The causes of the crash were the throttle of the starboard engine jamming in-flight and the pilots not properly responding to the failure."

to "On 31 March 1995, TAROM Flight 371 banks steeply to the left and crashes into a field shortly after taking off from Otopeni International Airport, killing all 60 people on board. The causes of the crash were the collapse of the captain followed by the throttle of the starboard engine jamming in-flight." Jekanyika23 (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The official report lists the captain's "possible incapacitation" as a contributing cause, but concluded that the cause of this accident was the autothrottle system. The captain's incapacitation is adequately covered in the main article on this accident. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 00:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2019

For this episode 126 6 "Edge of Disaster" The listed aircraft is incorrect. It should be a British Aerospace 146-200A

Refer to this wiki page https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Stord_Airport,_Sørstokken

and I just watched the TV episode Lincolnbh (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Already done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

The new compilation eps are seperate from the regular seaons as stated on the cineflix website. Please fix it! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:457A:7801:EDEC:E56C:91ED:737F (talk) 02:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2019

The episodes listed under Season 20 are actually supposed to be part of a spinoff series called 'The Accident Files 2' (Cineflix's website listing -> ). The series IMDb Page ( ) lists the official Season 20 episodes. These combination episodes are part of a separate spinoff season. sambecker23 (talk) 13:06, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Other season 20 episodes

I found this from Russian wikipedia. The following is a list of the other episodes for mayday season 20 (they come after the crash files):

• S20E11: Pakistan International Airlines Flight 268
• S20E12: West Air Sweden Flight 294
• S20E13: TBA
• S20E14: 1990 Wayne County Airport runway collision
• S20E15: AIRES Flight 8250
• S20E16: Sol Líneas Aéreas Flight 5428
• S20E17: Cougar Helicopters Flight 91
• S20E18: LAM Mozambique Airlines Flight 470
• S20E19: Kenya Airways Flight 507
• S20E20: TBA

However we need more sources before these can be added. Tigerdude9 (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• Agreed. The youtube video fails WP:RS....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree too. This applies to any editor, please wait until we have a reliable source for these episodes and then they can be added. We don't want to waste our time reverting unsourced material. Also, when the episodes appear on the Nat Geo UK or Nat geo Australia, please wait until they have actually aired because they are subject to change. If we are fully confident about the status of the airdates of the episodes, they can be added. TVMusicMovieGuy (talk) 17:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on October 16 2019

In Canada, the episode title of Season 7, Episode 4 should be "Crash Course" and not "Sight Unseen". I have a recordings from Discovery Channel Canada of 2009 and 2016 and both show Crash Course. Sight Unseen seems to be the title used in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.148.7 (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Maybe we could write all season 20 new episodes.

Finally, All new episodes in Season 20 are confirmed, 1. Pakistan International Airlines flight 268 2. West Air Sweden flight 294 3. Uni Air flight 873 4. 1990 Detroit Wayne County Airport Runway Collision (Northwest Airlines flight 1482/Northwest Airlines flight 299) 5. AIRES flight 8250 6. SOL Lineas Aereas flight 5428 7. Cougar Helicopters flight 91 8. LAM Mozambique Airlines flight 470 9. Kenya Airways flight 507 10. Trigana Air flight 267

And According to Nat Geo Australia, a few episode's airing date and titles are confirmed. <https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/tv/air-crash-investigation/episodes.aspx?series=19/ref> Uni Air flight 873 -> January 9th, 2020, Explosive Touchdown 1990 Detroit Wayne County Airport Runway Collision -> January 16th, 2020, Taxiway Turmoil Pakistan International Airlines flight 268 -> January 23th, 2020, Kathmandu Descent SOL Lineas Aereas flight 5428 -> January 30th, 2020, Icy Descent

So, I think we can write season 20 episodes on the List of Mayday episodes' file. (But some think will write this all 'TBA') What do you think??

• Usually, I think we've waited for the first episode in a season to air before adding anything. LearyTheSquid (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

• Then, Adding the first episode will be after January 9th?

I would say wait for solid confirmation first. They are not completely sourced yet. Plus IMDB is not a reliable source. Wait until they have aired and then they can be added. SoulMen98 (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

The "wait until they air" philosophy is honestly outdated. It's like waiting to add a list of concerts for a band when their next performance dates and locations are printed on tickets already. A National Geographic source is basically solid confirmation. It's not perfect but it doesn't need to be. IMDb does not count for this. My say would be to add those episodes but as "which episode" TBA. So Uni Air 873 with be listed with the release date of Jan 9th but its episode listing would be TBA. If it changes, then we adjust. This is not an uncommon practice across Wikipedia. The case for putting an episode on any list of episodes page is by a preponderance of reliable evidence. Since National Geographic is a reliable source and has been used in the past (good enough), it has more weight than an old standard of "word for word."

The fact that those stories will be Maydays is indisputable. Their episode listing in the season is not exactly finite. Therefore, it should be fine to put them up without an "episode of season" listing but in order, as they appear on the page. This page has a notorious history of people saying that black is white and those incapable of using context for years. I've seen it all. 😐 Tntad (talk) 02:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

There has been at least one announced episode, on Air New Zealand Flight 901, that was never made....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

That was an isolated case since Air New Zealand never made it to National Geographic. Those season 20 episodes have listings on National Geographic (are made) so your argument really isn't valid. Tntad (talk) 03:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. When Seasons 16, 17, 18 and 19 appeared, we waited until the first episode was on TV. Are we saying they can be added even if the airdates can be subjected to change. I have just reverted season 20 twice because I think we should wait until we are confident about the nature of the airdates. If you disagree, I'm more than happy to add them back on. SoulMen98 (talk) 17:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@SoulMen98: I only ever remember episodes being listed as soon as they were confirmed, so it wasn't always that way, if it even was. Numerous times "TBA" was substituted when the episode name or date wasn't confirmed yet. Clearly a substantial amount of people disagree with waiting until the air date since they keep adding them back. The named episodes and their air dates are confirmed and have a source. I'd appreciate if you did allow them back, as it took a while to write that all out and finally contribute to the service I'd been consuming for the past 7 years. I distinctly remember coming here regularly to preview the upcoming episodes list to know when they'd be available, I'm absolutely positive. So that's the advantage this offers. SUM1 (talk) 04:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

That is an outdated conservative approach we had because of the unusual length between Seasons 16 and 17. That was 3 years ago. Now, given the rate of the episodes being listed on National Geographic being 100% aired when they appear (because you know, it's a major network), it is reasonable enough to make the conclusion that those episodes are there. I was gonna make the executive decision to put them up myself after I finished my finals anyways. It's also been 2 weeks since my counterargument was responded by the person who initially objected. It's safe to say that the respondent does not really have any focus on withholding their objection. Go for it. Put them up. Just put the Episode order as TBA since there is a quandary in that area. But the incidents are still the same regardless. Tntad (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The Accident Files Season 3

Source for Season 3, with 7 episodes so far: https://www.natgeotv.com/za/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation-special-report Demrep (talk) 11:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

To add on to this, this Twitter account lists the accidents featured in those episodes. 49.144.203.134 (talk) 00:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it’s about time the accident files season 3 be put up on the article. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 14:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2020

add new section for season 21 which will consist of 10 episodes

add episodes to season 21. episode 5 of season 21 Title: Still Unknown Incident: Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 Broadcast Date: still unknown source https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13369782/?ref_=ttep_ep1 Source https://twitter.com/AirCrash_/status/1322467929871405056 Source https://www.cineflixrights.com/our-catalogue/215 82.29.227.64 (talk) 02:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Episode Numbering and Order

Someone rewrote the Season 20 episode numbers and ordering according to the IMDB which uses production date. But this is never how this page ordered them. It should be by air date and how every TV database other than IMDB numbers them. I'm going to revert these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.29.151 (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

...And somebody locked out the page. What dufuses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.29.151 (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

The correct episode numbering for Season 20 can be found here: https://thetvdb.com/series/mayday/seasons/official/20

Could someone please fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.29.151 (talk) 23:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

thats the incorrect order TVDB is incorrect I repeat increectttt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:45B2:8001:B8F4:8B29:3A1E:E1E8 (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The Accident Files Season 4

FYI, season 4 is upon us. 7 episodes listed according to this source: https://www.natgeotv.com/cz/serialy/natgeo/specialni-zprava-o-vysetrovani-leteckeho-nestesti Demrep (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding episodes before airing discussion. Present your arguments here and back them up.

I guess we'll have this discussion again because of an outdated conservative approach of holding off before putting them up after the first episode shows up. I have not seen any list of show episodes page that has done this. I guess we'll have this discussion again...

I think they should go up before they air (essentially right now). National Geographic is a major network that runs ads for the show. A recent ad [8] in the UK showed Lion Air Flight 610 and Execuflight Flight 1526. The counterargument to this was an Air New Zealand Flight 901 listing despite that it never appeared on National Geographic. Instead, the episode was replaced with Itavia Flight 870. That was an isolated case because National Geographic was not used to cite the existence of the episodes. It was merely a pamphlet of the entire shows run as Season 13 was initially indented to be the final episode of the whole show. So, that argument does not add up. The initial compromise was the strange 7 day gap between the 16th and 17th seasons that was part of their unusual airing schedule at the time. That era has long passed.

1) National Geographic is a reliable source and it is a major network that, you know, airs the episodes on their network.

2) It has a 100% success rate on the episodes

3) Advertisements on the same network provide clips from the episodes themselves, because that's what an advertisement of a show does.

I don't see any reason to continue with this nonsensical approach of holding back. Thanks. Tntad (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

EDIT: Update on my post above. Here's the link to the story of Qantas 32 being the original final episode of the entire show [9]. It was written by the Captain Richard de Crespigny, the captain of Qantas Flight 32. Tntad (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Bullshit to #2. An episode on Air NZ Flight 901 was announced and never made. It was never made. You even say it above. So saying NatGeo has a 100% success rate does not compute. Overall there has been too much bs on this page. Read this[10]....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The "It" refers to the website, National Geographic. Could you point to me where National Geographic, not Cineflix, National Geographic, announced Air New Zealand Flight 901 for the 13th season of the show? That "mythical episodes" post also does not reference National Geographic as a source. Plus that post is obviously not reliable since there are no citations. That post is completely irrelevant to the whole matter on a citation perspective. Tntad (talk) 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Update: The Air New Zealand case was also never listed on the National Geographic websites under Season 13 at any point, even using the Wayback Machine too. Regardless of where it was announced initially, it never made it to the final listings page. Also, claiming "everything is bs" does not help your case. Tntad (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The Lion Air episode aired on Nat Geo UK yesterday, and the Loganair one aired in Finland, just in a different order. Please can you give me a specific reason why we should wait until the day they air? BalanceTheBooks (talk) 10:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Read my reply a little bit above. This article has had a long history of bullshit and wrong information. I never removed LoganAir because that one aired....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

But the Lion Air episode aired on in the UK yesterday. I'm sick of people who lack common sense. Anyone else what to present your ideas again? Tntad, etc. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 10:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Can I at least add the Lion Air episode back on because it aired in the UK on 5 April? Nat Geo UK is reliable and we can add airdates based on that website, too. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 11:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

William, your reply above does nothing to validate your claim. None of the examples you mentioned ever referred to National Geographic as a source. Also, the Air New Zealand scapegoat you use also never appeared on National Geographic. We're talking about it being listed on National Geographic. I'll ask again, can you point to me where ANZ901 appeared on National Geographic? I was there, like you, and it never appeared there. Tntad (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Tntad. We should focus on Nat Geo, not Cineflix. AZ901 never appeared on Nat Geo. William is focusing too much on Cineflix. Honest to God, we are getting tired of this. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 16:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Please change

On 15 December 2014, Loganair Flight 6780 starts an uncontrolled descent while on approach to Sumburgh Airport in Scotland. The pilots regain control and make an emergency landing at Aberdeen, with no fatalities. A lightning strike had disabled the aircraft's elevator controls.

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On 15 December 2014, Loganair Flight 6780 enters an uncontrolled descent near Sumburgh Airport in Scotland. The pilots regain control and make an emergency landing back at Aberdeen, with no fatalities. After a lightning strike the crew wrongly assumed the autopilot was disengaged and tried to climb, the conflict causing the autopilot to set the elevator controls into a dive. 118.209.243.33 (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be excessively detailed. It's fine the way it is. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not fine the way it is, it is wrong. The elevator controls were not disabled, the plane was perfectly fine, it was a crew error. (OP) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.243.33 (talk) 11:16, April 10, 2021 (UTC)

You are correct. The initial description of lightning disabling elevators was incorrect. Fixed it after rewatching the episode. Tntad (talk) 04:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I just copied what the editor requested. Sorry for any mix-up. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 12:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that, glad to be able to make a useful contribution to this page, which has been very useful to me. (OP) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.243.33 (talk) 22:48, April 10, 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2021

Change Stalderberg to Stadlerberg 2A02:AA11:9201:4A00:806A:49E4:2381:F0CE (talk) 09:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Changed it. Thanks for noticing. BalanceTheBooks (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Crash of the Century and Specials?

I thought that there once was a specials section in the article, which included the Crash of the Century spinoff. Did it have to be removed? IMDB still labels the spin-off with Mayday. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 06:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Looks like the Crash of the Century is just spinoff (or special), not official episode of Mayday (since "Disaster at Tenerife" is available now). But since it's a Cineflix special episode, I'll try to add the mention on the DaT FarhanSyafiqF (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2021

change air-date for lost from 20/02/05 to 27/02/05 change air-date for missing in new york from 27/02/05 to 20/02/05 42.241.106.189 (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Per, IMDB, the information is currently correct. Heartmusic678 (talk) 14:51, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Crash of the Century should be added back, since it's been uploaded as a Mayday episode on MULTIPLE OFFICIAL Youtube Channels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBLM6qO0g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJVrW9UGnrw On top of that, IMDB lists it as such https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4871964/ , it passes the Google Test and Common Name test, and while I couldn't find a copy myself it is apparently on the Mayday DVD.

I agree it's not part of any standard SEASON, as it was produced seperately, but It's clearly considered part of the series Mayday/Air Crash Investigation by official parties, and should this be added back into the list as a 'special' between S3 and S4 like it was before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:C562:7945:21F8:EB5E (talk) 03:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC) To add to this, another older episode is getting a remake, Pacific Plunge is covering the same crash as Cutting Corners, due to differences between the Canadian and American rights holders. So Crash of the Century being remade doesn't mean anything anymore unless you want to say Cutting Corners isn't a Mayday Episode. In Canada, the Show's original region, Crash of the Century is aired as a Mayday episode with the same VO and opening, and clips from it were used in Mayday episodes in S11 and S12.

Execuflight 1526 & USAF W05 (19.1 KC-135 incident)

I am about to add execuflight flight 1526 & USAF Flight Whale05 Arm Thai (talk) 11:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The cause is wrong for Terror Over Michigan

The cause listed for TWA Flight 841 "Terror Over Michigan" is "A leading-edge slat had failed due to the pilots extending the slats at cruising speed."

An author and airline pilot with over 25,000 hours, Emilio Corsetti III, published a book in 2016, Scapegoat: A Flight Crew's Journey from Heroes to Villains to Redemption by Emilio Corsetti III | Goodreads. His theory of what really happened was based on years of research, his own investigation, interviews with the pilots, etc. and he determined the evidence best supported they actually suffered a yaw damper induced lower rudder hardover and the No. 7 slat had nothing to do with the upset. He found that Boeing flew a 727 to 37,000 feet with the No. 7 slat fixed in the extended position and flight tests as well as an earlier flight test proved that the Boeing 727 was perfectly flyable with the slat in question extended and no pilot lost control, even at 39,000 feet; the investigators conducted 118 simulator tests and could not get the aircraft to lose control unless the crew made no corrective action for 17 seconds. To believe the NTSB theory, you have to accept that a flight crew would not take corrective action until the plane was in a 120-degree bank. The episode and the NTSB declare that recovery was only possible when the slat tore off at 8,000 feet, but simulator tests showed the slat would have torn off at no lower than 30,000 feet so why didn't the crew recover earlier? Boeing’s own engineers estimated that the slat actuator, piston, and rod could not sustain an airspeed in excess of 363 knots, which would have meant that the slat, if extended at 39,000 feet, should have been torn from the plane much earlier in the dive. Even though the episode shows the vibrations of extending the flaps at slats at 39,000 matched the vibrations recorded on TWA 841's Flight Data Recorder, they actually weren't even close; there were TWA 841 passengers who were taken up on the tests flights to determine if the vibrations they felt by extending the flaps and slats at 39,000 feet were consistent with what they felt on Flight 841 and they said these weren't the vibrations they felt that night.

Emilio Corsetti concluded that the yaw damper failure caused the lower rudder to go into the hardover position and send the plane into an uncontrollable dive. Then when the landing gear was lowered, the overextension of the right main gear ruptured System A hydraulics that caused the lower rudder to center due to a loss of hydraulic pressure which allowed the crew to recover from the dive. Analysis showed the No. 7 slat was misaligned, showed a lack of wear, and didn't lock into its locking mechanism and was kept retracted by hydraulic pressure and aerodynamic loads. With the loss of hydraulic pressure, the aerodynamic loads caused the slat to extend at 8,000 feet and was quickly ripped off. After landing, hydraulic fluid was observed leaking from the lower rudder actuator; both yaw dampers were removed and replaced but were not inspected for any faults. Therefore, the rudder was what caused the upset, not the slat.

In this link, Corsetti says that he even gave a producer a copy of Scapegoat in the Summer of 2021 when the episode was yet to be greenlit, but this turns out have no avail. https://emiliocorsetti.com/the-maligning-of-a-flight-crew-continues/

After the episode aired, Corsetti did a review of it. https://emiliocorsetti.com/review-of-air-crash-investigations-terror-over-michigan/

If you start on Page 12 read through all the links Emilio Corsetti has posted on his website, it shows that the investigators got the cause wrong and the rudder was to blame. https://emiliocorsetti.com/category/scapegoat/page/12/

In "Terror Over Michigan", it does show the Flight Engineer declaring they have a flag for the lower rudder yaw damper after they recover from the dive. In the last 30 seconds of the episode it says the pilots maintained their innocence in that they did not extend the flaps and slats mid-flight with Captain Gibson taking it to the grave with him in 2015, and the Lead Flight Attendant interviewed says after a great deal of thought will never know what happened.

The synopsis should say "On 4 April 1979, Trans World Airlines (TWA) Flight 841 enters a spiral dive while en route to Minnesota. "The pilots regain control and make an emergency landing at Detroit, with no fatalities. The cause of the dive remains unknown [or] disputed."

Thank you Newtonator (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2023

In Alternate Titles please change Fatal Fixation (3rd Column) to Falling to Pieces (Episode 12x7) which is the name on the Australian DVD of the series. 2001:8003:32B8:D000:4C30:132E:E8CF:4F2E (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Add Back "Crash of the Century"

Multiple Mayday/ACI Youtube Channels, all official, have uploaded it as an episode of the series. It's clearly considered one. 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:59BE:9EB9:5676:4EF6 (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lszzuit21A4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBLM6qO0g0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DtO9k3POE 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:A892:50B0:B10E:EEA8 (talk) 01:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

New episodes to Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel)

Heres some new episodes to the Smithsonian Channel, via YouTube TV.

New episodes:

S18 E19: Runaway Train (San Bernardino train disaster)

S18 E20: Collision Course (The MS Express Samina sinking)

S18 E21: Head-On Collision (Hinton train collision)

S18 E22: Ripped Apart (These include: BOAC Flight 781, South African Airways Flight 201, Aloha Airlines Flight 243, British Airways Flight 5390, United Airlines Flight 811, & Helios Airways Flight 522)

I will update if theres new episodes. Interstate264 (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is a source for these episodes, plus episodes 23 & 24, Fatal Flaw & Who’s Flying the Plane: [11](https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-disasters/8xhldf/season-18). Laughing Coyote (talk) 05:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I was gonna add it later but I got lazy.

lol. Interstate264 (talk) 04:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Should we add S24 confirmed episodes?

Ok sure, the season 24 is starting in early 2024 but 5 episodes have confirmed so far, should we add them? they are:

UA 811 remake

ATI 782

2019 Alaska mid-air collision

Colgan air 9446

China airlines flight 676 Lucasoliveira653 (talk) 01:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023

The Atlas Air flight 3591 crash was a Boeing 767, not an Antonov turbo prop. 100.36.93.36 (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: that's what it says. M.Bitton (talk) 12:10, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Remove all the Season 24 episodes exept one concerning United Airlines Flight 811 remake. Other episodes are purely made up and unconfirmed. 217.173.194.58 (talk) 10:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Pinchme123 (talk) 04:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2023

The Season 14 episode "The Death of JFK Jr." is about the 1999 crash that killed John F. Kennedy Jr. The provided link refers to the crash as John F. Kennedy Jr. plane crash. I propose the link is changed to 1999 Martha's Vineyard plane crash, because the article was renamed in June this year. 100.7.34.111 (talk) 13:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Per WP:NOTBROKEN.  Spintendo  22:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)