Talk:Kingdom of Eastern Georgia

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Not moved, 26 March 2024, to Kingdom of Eastern Georgia, see discussion.
Moved, 18 November 2024, from Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329) to Kingdom of Eastern Georgia, see discussion.

Deletion

The "Kingdom of Eastern Georgia" was the same as the Kingdom of Georgia the kings were titles as "King of Georgia" and not as "King of Eastern Georgia" while the Kingdom of Western Georgia (or Kingdom of Imereti) were titles as " Kings of Imereti".

The Kingdom of Western Georgia separated from the Mongol Georgia, while Eastern was a vassal of the Mongols, so "Kingdom of Eastern Georgia" was named Kingdom of Georgia but controlled only the Eastern part, while Western separated because of Mongol rule in Georgia 188.73.235.162 (talk) 08:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 12:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329) → Kingdom of Eastern Georgia – WP:CONSISTENCY w/ Kingdom of Western Georgia. An emperor ✖ 05:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 00:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Emperor of Emperors:. As rightly explained by the IP above, the "official" but significantly reduced Kingdom of Georgia remained in place in eastern Georgia around Tbilissi during the period 1256–1329, hence the title Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329). It is only that David VI decided to leave, make secession and establish his own, separate Kingdom of Western Georgia (he basically fled Mongol oppression). David VI, who seceded, was also the "Junior" (Narin) ruler of the two Davids, while David VII who remained in Tbilissi was the "Senior" (Ulu) ruler. A few sources do use "Kingdom of Eastern Georgia", as mentionned side-by-side in the introduction, but this seems a bit inapropriate from a historical perspective especially since the "regalian" function such as Atabeg or Amirspasalar remained in Tbilissi. I am overall more comfortable with the current title "Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329)", and it seems to be more consistent with the rest of the articles I have seen about the history of Georgia. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 18 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 23:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329) → Kingdom of Eastern Georgia – WP:CON with Kingdom of Western Georgia An emperor ✖ 18:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's poor form to refile a move request literally word for word the same as one you filed before that failed, but nevertheless this is a clear WP:MISPLACED scenario. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery and Emperor of Emperors: I have reverted the undiscussed move of earlier this month. Srnec (talk) 02:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am switching to Support, since the title "Kingdom of Georgia (1256–1329)" only is decidedly unclear (although technically right: the western part separated, but the central and eastern remained). Plenty of academic sources also use "Kingdom of Eastern Georgia" for clarity and in order to distinguish from the contemporary "Kingdom of Western Georgia", so I think we can follow them in this popular but meaningful approximation. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.