Talk:Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days

Spoilers

Should there not be a warning tag for spoilers? - junes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.29.105 (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see #spolier alert. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC))

Proper sourcing

To all editors that would like to add new information about the new game, please be sure to add proper citation along with your new content. Simply stating in the edit summary or in the sentence that it was in a recent or new magazine is only part of the information needed for proper sourcing. Additional information required is the name of the magazine, the issue #, and the publication date. In addition to that, other information that would be nice to have is the name of the article or section in the magazine, the page #s, and/or the name of the article writer. There are two reasons behind this.

1. Proper sourcing and citation add credibility to the information and lets the uninformed reader know the information is factual and reliable.
2. It also is required to make it to Good Article and Featured Article, which several of us would like to see in order to add the new games into the Kingdom Hearts Featured Topic. Without these articles at a level of quality of at least Good Article some time after they're released, the topic will be delisted.

The extra information is appreciated and we hope more is found, but without proper sourcing, we can't really have it in the article per WP:CITE. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 13:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

Would this count as proper sourcing? (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpSSuipSB4) Jammi568 13:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Not inclined to think so. Due to their volatile nature, sites like YT can't be used, and aren't considered realible. Just go directly to KHInsider and use that site as a source.HadesDragon 15:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's what i was thinking about. The site itself, rather then the go between. Jammi568 14:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's the interview link if anyone feels like adding in the new content. I don't think I'll have time today. Here's the citation for it too, just copy and paste. I wish they mentioned were the interview was from though.

<ref name="KHI-NI">{{cite web| url = http://www.khinsider.com/news/nomura-interview.html| title = KHInsider - Nomura Interview| publisher = Kingdom Hearts Insider| accessdate = 2007-10-20}}</ref> (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

GameSpot

Sorry to say this, but it needs to be cleared up: GameSpot, IGN, EGM, etc, NONE of those are reliable sources when it comes to international releases and exports to other regions, mainly because their "confirmations" are either speculation or wishful thinking. If it helps, these 4 are the most reliable sources we can use regarding any new news of releases: SquareEnix themselves; Famitsu; V-Jump; Gamaga. So lets stop this nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamespot is one of the reliabale sources according to wikipedia guidelines so it may be used however please do not post any info not confirmed by SE.-Metalocalypse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalocalypse (talk • contribs) 15:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol, after the recent controversy and mass work-leave rumors, I think its a time we re-consider IF Gamespot truly is a reliable source... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.35.2 (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Title

Any idea wtf "358/2 Days" is supposed to mean or refer to? --SeizureDog 09:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Damnit people, this isn't a forum question. This is the second time I've had this happen in an article. My question is something the article fails to address and needs to if possible. So improve the article and figure out what the title means >:(--SeizureDog 16:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know there has been no information released on what the title actually means. I, naturally, have speculation, but Square is trying to keep as much info about the game quiet as possible. As soon as information has been released in a published source about the meaning of the title, I'll be sure to add it to the article. For now all we can do is guess... sorry I can't be of more help. ^.~ Zemalia 17:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

"The title was done on purpose as a code, you can only understand it after beating the game. The word Day, is attached and the progress of the game is to show how the Organization came to be, as well as the daily life of the Organization XIII. They are always faced with the duty from a place, and then have to return. The game will focus around Roxas, who is a member of the Organization. It will be an adventure game, repetition is also one of the concepts of the game." ' 19:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I first read it as THREE HUNDRED FIFTY EIGHT DIVIDED BY 2 DAYS and then I thought it was stupid =/ But seriously, only to figure out the title AFTER beating the game is just... Lame. This will be very hard to explain to people, as the only way to say it is "Oh, well, you figure out the title after beating the game without knowing what the game is about... Kingdom Hearts at least." 209.91.61.223 04:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a bit presumptuous to not expect more details as it gets closer to the release date. Besides, once the name explanation is found, then we'll put it up. No need to keep people in the dark. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 12:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC))

well what the heck does that / thing represent63.166.254.137 (talk) 01:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The title "358/2 days" is read as "Three-Five-Eight Days over Two". The / represents "over". (Guyinblack25 ^talk 03:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

If you count day 358 it could be 358 days after kingdom hearts and 2 days before kingdom hearts 2 just add the final day 359 and kingdom hearts 2 could be a day after so the game spans 360 days. the whole inbetween. Ukokira (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Category tag

This is starting to get a bit out of hand. Before we start changing the categories again, we're going to talk about it here. Its getting out of hand. I think I might bring a third party in on the matter. No need for harsh language, so let's be reasonable about this. Zemalia 15:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious. Is there a reason why a category such as Category: Nintendo DS-only games exist? It would be pretty redundant having these "-only" categories. A link to the discussion is fine too. — Blue。 15:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm just passing through from the VG project. First, yes the only categories are stupid and a mess and need sorting out. But until they are the following applies to this article. WP:SUBCAT#Secondary_categorization_rule. Or in plain English, both categories stay. - X201 16:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

They may be a mess at times but lookin' at a category that has games from ALL systems can be too clutterin' and have a category that is system exclusive helps clean-up the search. That's just my opinion. --Crash Underride 16:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There is a definite place for a category that lists games that are exclusive to the DS but as I understand it the Category software just isn't up to the job of putting an article into multiple groups from one category command on the article. For every category that an article should appear in it needs a separate category command. This game should be in both categories, so needs two commands. - X201 16:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the 2 category command. --Crash Underride 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

After scanning through the WP:VG talk archives, this topic apparently has been brought up multiple times. Here are some discussions I found about it, nothing definitive though. In order from oldest to newest. 1, 2, 3. It doesn't seem that definite consensus has been reached, though there seem to be a number of people that feel there are not needed. I did a quick glance through Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Archive debates and didn't really find anything there, but I may have missed some stuff. For now it seems we have to follow the "Secondary categorization rule" until a consensus about needing both categories is reached. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC))

Also, given the scope of this discussion, perhaps we should move this discussion to the Video game Project talk page. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC))

I hate having to look through categories to find various games for the DS. What reason is there to not have both categories? They're both apt categories, nothing - literally nothing - is harmed, and it's made more convenient for people navigating the Wiki. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Images

I'm not sure about Birth by Sleep considering that Nomura stated the battle system changed, but he said nothing about 358... So...wouldn't it be a good idea to add a gameplay screenshot, depicting the aspect of playing as an Organization member other than Roxas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.35.2 (talk) 20:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, things have been pretty quiet on the three game as of late. Perhaps a screenshot wouldn't be a bad idea now. I'll look into it and see if there's a suitable image. If it does get outdated, we'll just upload over it or delete the old image. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC))

I remember seeing a few very nice, full-quality, actual-size screenshots somewhere, but I can't seem to find them now. I have found some that might work, but they're watermarked by Famitsu.com.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

According to some kingdom hearts sites run by fans there is supposed to be more info released mid-December. Maybe we can get some new screens then? I approve of the idea of a screenshot for sure, since we have more than a vague idea of what the gameplay is going to be like. Zemalia (talk) 00:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

KHInsider has a whole heap of suitable screens in one of their older updates, which marks the TGS events.

Release date

Does anyone know when this game comes out? The article does not mention this and some people might want to know. --Prettywhitekitty (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Prettywhitekitty

Currently, Square Enix has not set a release date for this game or any of the other KH games. There are a group of editors that have been trying to keep the articles about the new KH games as current as possible. Once release dates are officially set, the articles should be updated soon after. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC))

ACtually,in Jump Festa 2008, it is confirmed to have a Summer 2008 release in Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.155.209 (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

If the release date has been confirmed, please provide a source or link of some kind. Because the Famitus article I just checked listed the the release date as undetermined, I changed it back to TBA in the article. So without any source for the release date, we need to list the TBA as the most current source still has no confirmed release date. If anyone finds a source, please let us know or be bold and change it back along with the source. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC))

I added the release date of February 2009 in Japan, as it's what is stated at the end of the TGS'08 trailer that leaked this morning. However, I don't know how to properly substantiate that, so please don't delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.234.100 (talk) 09:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, but we can't keep something like without a source. I'll try to dig around some websites later today and find a reliable source for it. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC))

Hey what does that Q1 2009 mean i dont undertand it, could someone put a month or time of year please.--Amp99 (talk) 02:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Q1 means the first quarter of the calendar year. However, it is currently unsourced and I don't believe a release date for North America has been set. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 05:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC))

The release date in Japan has been pushed to Summer 09, so we shouldn't see it till late fall, early winter. 70.131.156.129 (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Um hello?! When is this released in Australia? It used to say February 2009 but it hasnt been released yet, when is it coming here??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.246.240 (talk) 08:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I found a pre-order for the game on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Hearts-358-Days-Nintendo-DS/dp/B001TD6SK8/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=IRSCHBTDYTQH3&colid=TNFG6ZRIQVEI Vstgermaine (talk) 05:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)vstgermaine 4/23/09 10:41

These dates are bogus. STOP using them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.29.168 (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Something to keep an eye out for...

On Dec 22 the game will be available for play at Jump Festa08. Hopefully we'll be able to score some info or reviews. In the mean time, should we add this piece of info to the article? Zemalia (talk) 00:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a piece for the development section. I say find sources and then add it. — Blue。 00:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The Official website has a statement to that effect posted. I figured it would be better to source it from an article after the fact rather than a notice on the site that could go away after the date. Should we still add it in? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 01:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC))

FoxyWolfGirl (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)I was wondering when Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days would come out in America? And Guyinblack25 no, I don`t think we sould add it untill after the date.FoxyWolfGirl (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Currently, there is no US release date set. Technically, Square Enix has not even announced that the game will be released anywhere outside of Japan. All we know is that they've expressed plans to release it in other territories. So sorry, we don't have any other confirmed info. If you hear otherwise, let us know. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC))

Summer Release

Just so there shouldn't be any uber thuper arguing, several sources claim the Festa trailers confirmed this game's release for Summer 08 (jap). If anyone has anything that says otherwise, or a different date specified, just put it here for discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 05:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Who are these "several sources"? I don't have a problem with filling the release date, but at least we'll need a published source so it can be verifiable. Until then, we can't just put "claim"ed dates in the article. — Blue。 13:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The Square Enix official website for the game, which was updated after Jump Festa, and this Famitsu article both say undecided/unannounced. That's why I first removed the Summer 08 and posted why under #Release date. If there are citeable sources that say otherwise, let us know and we'll put it up there. Though with both Square and Famitsu saying unannounced, I'd say at least three other sources would be needed. Mainly because if the company producing it still says unannounced, that's hard to dispute. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC))

Um, here's some sites that reported on it from the floor (Closed Theater). I'm still looking into the hard-source of it, but it should fill you over: http://www.kh2.co.uk/?kh358=Information / http://www.khinsider.com/latest/jf2008-kh-358-2-days-gets-release-date.html / http://mobile.qj.net/Jump-Festa-2008-Kingdom-Hearts-Coded-258-2-Days-Birth-by-Sleep-details/pg/49/aid/110187 / There's like...a dozen other sites that say the same thing, but I don't think you want me to put them all up. :< Besides, I doubt over a dozen sites would all be pulling crap out of their ass all at the exact same time... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 10:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the first two sites, but couldn't use them because they are fan sites. We can only use fan sites for translated interviews. The third one looks alright, though I've never heard of them before they look to be owned by a company and is not just a privately owned and operated fan site. You mentioned some other sites, if they aren't fan sites go ahead and list some more. It's not like we don't believe the information, we're just bound by Wikipedia's guidelines to properly cite it.

While we're on the topic, do you know of some similar sites that list the model of phone for KH coded. The mobile.qj.net lists it, but I think an extra site or two would be great for citations in the KH coded page. Thanks for your help. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

< As I was saying, all of this information was coming directly from the floor, so, if you want "hardcore" evidence, you'd have to be there. JF08 was also the time that Nintendo put up their DS Roster, and 358/2 was one of the games listed. Now, concerning coded, all I know is that is sleighed for an 08 release, no seasons mentioned, and BBS as simply a "Work in Progress." And coded, from what I remember, was confirmed for FOMA, and thats all I can say. Now, if you want UBER hardcore printed stuffs confirming this, this is the best source I can give...though I have NO idea how to navigate it...http://ffkh.onlinfo.net/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not like we need hardcore, accurate, official evidence. We simply need something that is verifiable. Something that the average reader can get themselves and verify that the information listed in the article matches up with what's in the source. Per WP:VERIFY: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth."

That's one of the reasons why we've been sticklers about the new content. The other is that these articles will have to be brought up to at least Good Article status to maintain the Kingdom Hearts FT.

Though I wouldn't worry too much about adding it in right now. The information will reach the major gaming websites and they'll eventually be an ample amount of sources to verify the release date and everything else. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC))

Hopefully this will be a suitable compromise. I listed the release date as 2008. Basically we have the official Square Enix site and a Famitsu article stating unannounced, and numerous fan sites and a mobile.qj.net article stating Summer 2008. I was also able to find an IGN article that listed 2008. Since there is conflicting information, I think the prudent thing to do is list it simply as 2008 because it looks to be the middle ground. Hopefully more articles will pop up in the near future that will clear this up. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC))

Regarding Gamespot...AGAIN

I hate going back to this subject, but do I need to remind everyone of their so-called "confirmation" regarding the first two Final Mix games, along with god-knows what? So far, regarding games on Wikipedia, we've always used credible information and official sources from developers regarding anything. Now, other than Gamespot, which has quite the shaky history, DO we have any sources? OFFICIAL, REAL sources? No, we don't! Apparently, everyone here is willing to take anything as long as it fulfills their desires! Well, sorry to break the hearts, but we make no unnecessary additions unless we get proper sources. GameSpot, ISN'T a proper source. Oh, wait, something says it IS?! Well, golly gee; haven't you ever heard of "thinking for yourself", or "common sense?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 05:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I would first like to state that I assume this is the same editor (70.188.24.125) that has been removing the same reference tag for some time now. Please correct me if I am wrong.

As previously stated, the WikiProject Video games has reached a consensus stating that GameSpot is a reliable source. If you wish to contest this, this is not the proper way to go about that. This way will probably get your IP address blocked, which I don't think you want to happen and neither does anyone else.

Regarding official sources, per WP:VERIFY- "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." If we can verify that something, that dictates that it can be included. Does this mean that we indiscriminately include whatever we can find? No, we use a little "common sense" along with it. WP:Verify also states- "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources." Third party in this case means not related to Square Enix.

Once again, if you don't think Gamespot is a reliable third party source, then make a case to the VG Project. Otherwise, you edits can and probably will be construed as disruptive, which will lead to your IP being blocked. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC))

I wont and refuse to make a case because I know for certain that a type of loophole will be used against my argument, and they will continue to sit with their decision. This is why I'm taking this said course of action, to let you guys think for yourselves, because right now, you aren't thinking at all. Wikipedia's reliability is declining daily, and not just from my observation. One of the reasons is that people here take their "jobs" too seriously. For one, I know none of you get paid to do what you're doing right now, so why bother working so hard on information that is neither true nor verifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 06:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Look, I've said it once and I'll say it again. Doing that will eventually lead to being block. I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but your contribution history along with your continual refusal paint a picture of disruptive behavior targeted at a small group of related article. I would also like to point out that your comments suggesting that we are mindless cogs in a defunct machine are borderline personal attacks, and do not help make the above mentioned picture look any better.

If you feel you have reason to believe that GameSpot is not a reliable source, do the research, and explain/show to the VG Project why. This has been explained to you on several occassions; here and on this talk page. If you feel your current argument is not solid enough, you research some more and make it stronger if possible. I personally have been using GameSpot and IGN for years before I even started editing on Wikipedia. While they have their share of mistakes, so does every news organization regardless of the subject they report on. Because of this, I (and others) feel they are overall reliable for what they do. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC))

Well, as it stands, it looks like you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. I am not changing my course of action. The only real title that has been confirmed outside Japan is Coded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk • contribs) 04:23, January 23, 2008

With all due respect, you have been warned and suggested alternate methods to go about this. Please stop or action will sought against. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC))

I do have to agree with 70.188.25.23 that Gamespot (sorry for the abbreviation, but 'LOL') is hardly a reliable source. Everyone in the gaming world knows this, and I'm shocked to discover the VGproject actually considers it 'reliable'. The funny thing is, it's evident that the main editors are picking and choosing to decide when they want it to be a valid source or not. There have been many discussions on other pages about not putting in content (usually release dates) confirmed by Gamespot, because Gamespot is apparently not reliable. Yet in other places (namely here), this is totally contradicted and suddenly Gamespot is a somewhat infallible source for information. The contradictions over weather it is or isn't reliable are seriously confusing me, and although I don't think 70.188.25.23 is approaching things quite in the right way, they still have very valid points.212.219.254.158 (talk) 09:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No one is saying the point isn't valid, nor are we say GameSpot is infallible. However, what we are saying is that GameSpot is one of the more reliable sources we have. Do they get information wrong sometimes? Yes, but what news publication doesn't? The fact of the matter is they get it right most of the time and that is the basis for them being a reliable source. In regard to the other discussions you mentioned, there have been numerous discussion about using and not using release dates from almost all gaming news website; most of them referring to older games in the 80s and 90s. If you would like clarification on such a matter I would suggest asking at the Video game Project talk page. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

Accidentally posted information =/= made up information and sources. Straighten your story, nubby.

Updated Screenshot

The current screenshot is a dated one from an earlier version of the game. I think we ought to update it. Yay or nay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.37 (talk) 14:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, something like this is always tricky when dealing with unreleased games. I say we keep it until the game is released. I doubt the gameplay and graphics will change significantly from this version to the final release. And if it does, we can always move the current one to the "Development" section as a pre-release screen shot to help illustrate any changes. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

It's already changed significantly in terms of the interface. Besides, the BBS screen got changed, right? Here, check it: http://www.forever-fantasy.net/modules/4nAlbum/album/kh358/images/december_famitsu_03.jpg It's the same thing, only with an updated interface. It's beneficial to keep with the times, yo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.37 (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

We're probably ok. If we remove the image from the article, it'll get deleted. It'll be easier to keep it in the article and move it to the development section once actual final screen shots are available. Also, images with digital watermarks are discouraged.

Regarding the BBS screen shot, that was added in March and was the first one added. To be honest, I'm surprised it hasn't been removed because of the digital watermark. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

They are the only high quality ones available. You gotta make do what with ya got. =/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.37 (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Featured Topic under 6-month retention

Hi, Following a rule change, Kingdom Hearts now fails featured topic criteria 1.d. and 3.c., as Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts coded need to be audited for quality and added to the topic. The topic has 6 months from the time of the rule change, or until 2009-01-03, to re-meet the criterion - rst20xx (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

PSP

So my friend recently told me about this game... but she said it came in Nintendo DS AND PSP. Is this true and the article just hasn't been updated, or is she mistaken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.198.177 (talk) 02:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

She's mistaken. There's a game for the DS, and then there's a game for the PSP.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Isn't it Kingdom Hearts three-five-eight over two days? If not, that pronunciation should be sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.207.202.41 (talk) 04:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Those who can read Japanese can see on the logo how the wording is meant to be pronounced by the developer - which is the source. — Blue。 04:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I had the same question.

But then I read the furigana. And it's all good. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

The Fourteenth Member

check out kingdom hearts wikipidia and click Xion updated at 9/16/08 roxaskid 14:45 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.236.32 (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone have a link to the source confirming that the fourteenth member's name is Xion(Xeon?)? Sorry, I'm new at this and I'm bad at citing sources. Also, might it be important to mention that she is also referred to as "The Fourteenth To Appear?" (Bob154 (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC))

Just today, it was confirmed by some new magazine scans that her name is Xion. Look at www.kh2.co.uk or www.khinsider.com Jienum (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you have the magazine information, like the publication date/month, article title, page number(s), author name, etc.? I can add the info in with the proper referencing. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC))

Well, all I know is that it is from the latest issue (I don't know the number) of Nintendo Dream, pages 26 and 28, and the magazine must have been this month. The exact date and the author, I don't know. But it does clearly say that her name is Xion and that she is Number 14 in the Organisation [1] [2]. Jienum (talk) 16:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

That's good info, but without either an issue number or publication month, it makes the citation weak. Magazine publication months are often different from when they are released. I sometimes get my magazines for September in late July or early August, and I don't see them on newsstands or in bookstores until late August. Is there a way to contact the fan sites to find out said information? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC))

There's an option on kh2.co.uk that says "Contact Us", but it gives five contacts, and I'm not sure which contact put that info on the website. On khinsider.com, I can't find a contact option. That's the only information I know. I hope it helped, at least. Jienum (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Dream: "Xion"

The new Nintendo Dream finally confirms the spelling "Xion" (page 26, page 28).—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but we weren't sure if it was a mistake or not. Don't forget, a magazine said David Boreanaz and Sean Astin had voiced Leon and Hercules in KH2, but it was wrong. You can never be too sure about things like this. Jienum (talk) 21:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I think you're nit picking now. It's clearly spelled Xion there. It's in print. You can't get a better source than that. And lets say it is spelled wrong. Where's your source to say it is? Is there another image that prints it in English as Xeon? -Sukecchi (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm just saying that magazines can sometimes be wrong. I never said that these scans are unreliable: that's why I brought them to this discussion page in the first place. Jienum (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Then if they're not unreliable then why are so unsure? It's in print AND in English as Xion. That should be enough. Unless there is another source that prints in English as Xeon, this should be fine. -Sukecchi (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of the spelling, the source isn't much good to us without the proper reference information: publication date, issue number, and/or author name. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC))

You dare tell them that it isn't a reliable source...and you rely on Gamespot!? What the hell is the matter with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.236.106 (talk) 21:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Please refrain from yelling when the post you're responding to is almost two months old.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

A little tidbit

"Release date(s) JP Winter 2008[5][6]"

Are you implying it's already been released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.172.111 (talk) 02:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Winter happens at the end of the year, too.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

yeah, also through march!!! :D Ivyluv (talk) 06:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed the mistake on the discription? This game is in between Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts 2 not Kingdom Hearts 1! It's taking place when Sora is regaing his memory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.98.209 (talk) 11:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

EU Release

A magazine in the UK called Official Nintendo Magazine has shown that the game will be released in July in the EU. I'd upload a scan of this but I currently can't. Anyone want to discuss if it's a reliable source? 79.72.91.44 (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

There shouldn't be any reason not to cite a published source if you follow the right formatting. You need info like the author, date of publication, issue number, publisher, etc. Kind of like what you need for a highschool research paper, except wikipedia has special html formatting for references. Is there any chance the magazine has a web site where they would post this info? Hewinsj (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

oh, i've read that magazine on trips even though i live in the US. i'm pretty sure that the website is (look below)

http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/

makes sense, doesn't it? Ivyluv (talk) 06:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Release Date and Website

If the JP release was pushed to Spring 09, where would that put the NA release, and also, I personally think that the English 358/2 Days site shouldn't be on here until it is more like the japanese site. Y'know...FINISHED. Ivyluv (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

External links are meant to provide extra info and content not available in the article. The little bit that is there is stuff we can't include in the article, so it does add something. And even though it is not as fleshed out as the Japanese one, English sites are preferred over Japanese ones. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC))

The english site has nothing beyond the logo and the words "Coming Soon" below it, and under that is a slideshow of screenshots. I wouldn't say that gives a whole lot of information. Would you? 70.131.156.129 (talk) 04:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd say the images in the slideshow give extra info the article cannot because of Non-free guidelines. Also, the images give hints to plot that Wikipedia is unable to because of original research guidelines.

And besides, it's not like it won't be updated at all. I'd rather have it in now and provide a little bit of extra info, than check it everyday until it gives even more info. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

Gamespot announces

OK, they just announced in gamespot that 358/2 days will come to the US (took them long enough) and that the game set while sora is asleep through kh2. but its not, so should we trust gameinformer? they announced 358/2 days months ago that it will come to America . they also said only 4 playable organization 13 members even though Famitsu article said all 13 members (which is true since we got to see all of the gameplay of each member.)

i really dont think gamespot or IGN should be trusted with information of international games because even IGN confirmed a "kingdom hearts X" which was really just a project for the new games 358/2 days and coded.Haseo445 (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Famitsu is correct. all 13 members will be playable. Although I agree with Haseo that gamespot and IGN are trustworthy, I do, however, think that the Kingdom Hearts X IGN is talking about is that game that is supposed to "connect" 358/2 Days, Birth By Sleep, and Coded.70.131.156.129 (talk) 04:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

IGN and gamespot are trustworthy, but not 100% when it comes to international releases. they tend to add some theories within plots and they give an estimated release date.

IGN has been the least trustworthy. kingdom hearts x was meant to be said as "kingdom hearts unknown", kingdom hearts runs on roman numerals, if they use an x as an actual game than it would be said as "kingdom hearts 10". kingdom hearts X is a project for 358/2 days and coded. testuya nomura said it twice on the same interview. IN the interview he only mentoned birth by sleep's title and said two other games for DS and cell phone.

interviewer: so whats the news on kh3?

tetsuya nomura: first of i will say that its not kingdom hearts 3, more like kingdom hearts x

interviewer:so its a side game?

tetsuya nomura:yes

later on the interview he says "its more like a project, because in reality its all one big game" Haseo445 (talk) 15:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they meant that only four of the 13 members will be playable at any one time during the game, not that only four of the members will be playable at all.

And yes, Nomura has stated that he has another title planned after these three portable ones. See interview. Perhaps that is the KHX they are referring to. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

yes he did say that, but KHX is out of the question, KHX is the project, just like FABULA NOVA CRYSTALLIS final fantasy XIII is the project for the next four final fantasy 13 games.

Did you not see the example i just gave? he confirmed KHX a side game, X as in "unknown" before he planned the name for 358/2 days and coded. those must have been one of the titles.

He only mentioned birth by sleep's title but he was still talking about 358/2 days and coded before he even thought up the names. He mentions that it was a project because he thought in reality no matter how many sequels, prequels or midquels, its still one game.

Kingdom hearts X would be horribly used as a title. Like i said (again) kingdom hearts uses roman numerals, using an X would make it say kingdom hearts 10 not kingdom hearts X.

IGN confirmed this title themselves, tetsuya nomura simply said it as an example to s how he has not put it into full development.Haseo445 (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait, what are we even discussing here? Are you saying that 358/2 Days was originally developed under the title Kingdom Hearts X? If so, then please provide some link or source to back that up. Because right now, I'm a bit lost as what direction this discussion is going. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC))

Of course you are lost, you are not getting the point KINGDOM HEART X is a concept title, it wasn't going to be an official title.

one more time...Kingdom hearts X is the project, not the actual development of the game.

Kingdom hears X. the X means "unknown." Tetsuya nomura said "kingdom hearts x" so briefly that it wasn't even confirmed an actual game.

just like Planet Pluto (example, nothing to do with kingdom hearts) was originally called PLANET X (X meaning unknown) Tetsuya nomura said Kingdom hearts X before actually thinking of the real name. he didn't call 358/2 days kingdom hearts X, he just used that to show it wasnt the main game, it was a side game.

let me restate everything i said. KINGDOM HEARTS X is not an actual game, it was the concept title before he originally thought of the names, he did not in any way wanted the name KINGDOM HEARTS X.

KINGDOM HEARTS X was briefly said to describe that is wasn't the main game, but a side game (the unknown title of the games were a side game not main).

THE X in kingdom hearts X means "unknown" as in its just to say that there is no official name.

its not an official title, it was just to describe 358/2 days and coded that he did not thought of a title for them yet.

IN the interview when he said Kingdom hearts X, interviewer asked if it was a side game, tetsuya nomura says yes.

tetsuya nomura states that it was a project not a game, because in reality its all one big game. (this proves Kingdom hearts X was the project for the 3 games birth by sleep, 358/2 days and coded. THE SAME WAY fabula nova crystallis final fantasy 13 is the project for final fantasy Agito 13, versus 13, Haeresis 13, and just plain 13.)

tetsuya nomura said he originally wanted to make birth by sleep after kh2. but when he finished kingdom hearts 2 final mix, he wanted to make two other games (before actually thinking of the title) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

First off, I don't really appreciate the condescending tone of your post. However, if I misinterpreted this, I apologize. But I think what is really losing me is trying to figure out what this has to do with the 358/2 Days article. I'm well aware that the name Kingdom Hearts X has been thrown around here and there for over a year now, and that it is not a real title, simply a speculative one that IGN used for future titles. But without any sources to help illustrate your point, like which interview you're talking about, I find your post difficult to follow. In reality, it sounds like we're both trying to say something very similar, but are caught up in semantics.

However, if this has nothing to do with adding to or improving the article, then I see no reason to continue discussions or reply back. If that is not the case, then please state what information you what to add to the article, and we can go from there. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 20:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC))

what part dont you understand?

tone? you have to admit you are going a bit slower than most people in wikipedia.

i made every sentenced seperate.

IGN confirmed it as an actual game, for the actual title.

also the information is right on IGN's article about KHX.

this was an example, which you clearly did not understand. which i did explain twice. its clear and to the point about kHX and how its a project tetsuya just called (no official name for the project of the 3 kh games) to explain the titles he was going to work on.

BUT like i said before, i suggest we not listen to gamespot or IGN (especially IGN) 100% on international release date or information on the plot. no matter how much Wikipedia says its a reliable source because in reality Wikipedia is speaking in general, they aren't being specific about international releases.

Last time gamespot announced birth by sleep in a very small article, the release date was 2008 but no month or day date...

also its not that hard to follow, its pretty easy, you just need to read each sentence separately. read too fast and you wont get what I'm saying.

With all due respect, your tone is still not appreciated. When engaging in a discussion on Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Civility is a policy which should be followed. Talk pages are meant to discuss the improve of an article's quality and participants should talk to each other in a manner that is conducive to collaboration.

If the point of this very long thread was to suggest we ignore this IGN page, then we were already in agreement as that page is not (and has never been) used as a source in any of the Kingdom Hearts articles. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC))

again...it was an example, at least i'm not cussing you out. what i say is very simple yet you have trouble understanding.

Do you even mention what u don't understand? that's what makes it even more difficult. you dont understand yet, you dont want to understand. if you want to understand ask where its troublling you the most, i just edited it so it could be even more simpler.

and remember gamespot? IGN was a mere example, the point it gamespot which also messed up on there info as well on 358/2 days which this article has some plot contradiction and suggest someone fix it. IGN also made a huge story line contradiction on final fantasy agito 13 (another example) and gamespot had made the exact same error.Haseo445 (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

US relaese date is 8/31 according to a gamestop relaese date sheet i saw while in the store —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.106.143 (talk) 14:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:VG/DATE, such sites are best to be avoided for sourcing. I've personally experienced delays and seen inaccurate dates on those date sheets. Not that they're trying be misleading, they're just giving their best estimation given the info they have. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC))

IGN shouldnt do that...they have given false information before because they couldnt find any....khX? yeah...sounds really lame. IGN has no proper source, so why did they post that?Bread Ninja (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Plot Contradiction

I would also like to mention that the plot is wrong, its not while sora was asleep, but its actually through the time sora was in castle oblivion to the point sora was placed in virtual twilight town.

Tetsuya Nomura explained how it was possible that both Roxas and sora were able to wield the keyblade while he was in castle oblivion and the other in twilight town. Also the plot says the game will start when he actually joins organization 13. But in the trailer they showed Larxene, Marluxia, Lexeaus, Zexion and Vexen witnessing him becoming a member of organization 13. So it had to be before castle oblivion.

KHinsider explained that the timeline.

near the end of kh1-chain of memories-near the beginning of kh2.

358/2 days overlaps a little over kh2 and kh1.Haseo445 (talk) 15:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No, It's during Sora as a Heartless(being that this is when Roxas is created), Castle Oblivion and while Sora is asleep. 70.131.156.129 (talk) 05:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

that still doesnt contradict anything.

kh1-sora turned into heartless

(

kh COM-castle oblivion

kh2-sora's sleep,Haseo445 (talk) 15:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Until the game is released and we've played it, we can't really say if the plot is wrong or not. All we have to go by is the information provided by the gaming press. So it doesn't matter what plot holes we find, because we can neither verify or deny them. For instances, maybe the playable portions of the game take place when Sora is asleep, and the remainder is told in a prologue and epilogue. Maybe the gaming press is generalizing the description to fit a word count. Maybe they are just regurgitating what Square Enix has told them. We don't know, and can't know for certain until the game is released and more information is available. We do the best we can to stay current with games, but Wikipedia is not meant to be a news source for up to date current information. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

BUT WE DO KNOW, at least i do, i looked up alot of info, in fact you should all at least try to look it up.

Tetsuya nomura explained in one of his interviews how it was possible for both roxas and sora to wield the keyblade while one of them is in castle oblivion and the other is in twilight town.so we know it was while sora was in castle oblivion, not when he was in his sleep.Haseo445 (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Guy on this one. Wait till the games out first then we can verify for it ourselves. — Blue。 17:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

So the only thing we can go on is tetsuya nomura interviews to confirm everything, yet we wait until we get information that's already out?

the plot says, it story starts when roxas is born but the game starts when he actually joins organization 13.

Also in the trailer Organization 13 (all 13 members) witness Xion becoming a member.

Axel and Roxas look at each other confused and Larxene, marluxia and vexen are look interested. I mean the proof is right in front of us.

the fact that the other half of organization 13 is still alive says ALOT. it basically tells us that its not when sora was is his sleep.

Chain of memories Vexen tried to tell sora about roxas, so roxas was already in organization 13.

the plot says game starts when you roxas joins organization 13.

So shouldn't we change into "while sora was in castle oblivion and in his sleep, Roxas was in organization 13" or something similar to that?

I mean, i look up all this information, all these confirmations and we still have nothing to say or change? As for Guyinblack 25, i did get the chance to play the demo for the DS. but thats about it.

I certainly understand where you're coming from. But Wikipedia is not meant to be the number one source for video game news so there is no need to keep this article up to date as events happen. The reason we're holding off is because of WP:SYNTH, a subsection of Wikipedia:No original research. Just because these deductions may be obvious to you, doesn't mean it is easily verifiable. I agree it makes some sense, but it's been my experience that it's best wait in regard to plot details of unreleased works of fiction.

I'm sure you mean well, but statements like "in fact you should all at least try to look it up" imply we're not trying to research the topic. I've been following the three new games in the media to ensure the articles will be of good quality once they are released. I may not have played the demo, but I certainly try to be up-to-date on Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. We're trying to do things by the book to get these articles to Good or Featured status. If you can help us with the research, that would be much appreciated. But we're not going to deviate from policy to please fans. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC))

i meant, we should all find the soures and informaiton to confirm what we have officially.

Destiny Islands

destiny islands has confirmed to be a fake world and the actual one is not confirmed to be in this game. Its a destiny islands in castle oblivion, a fake one confirmed by latest scans of famitsu magazine.

SO i suggest we do something about it and remove destiny islands. i keep hearing how you guys want official information, so how did you guys get destiny islands in there even though it was never confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 15:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Famitsu article only confirmed destiny islands was a fake, we dont know if it actually holds within castle oblivionHaseo445 (talk) 15:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

NA release date

I couldn't find any verification for the fall 09 NA release date on this page. Is this just speculation that has gone unnoticed, (in which case it should be removed) or is there a source included that I have missed? 155.246.142.129 (talk) 23:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe that was updated without a source. I have reverted it back to TBA. There are several well meaning editors that have been updating the article, but without providing proper sourcing.

Just any FYI to any of said editors. If you do have a source, but are unsure how to add it to the article, then you can post the links on this talk page and I or other editors can add them to the article with the proper formatting. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC))

The latest Nintendo Power slates it as a March 09 release. I'll try getting a link to scan, for verification. LORD SLJCOAAATR ^{Sonic Wikia Admin} 04:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I talked to a few game stores and they say it is coming out august 31.--Amp99 (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The August 31th release date was a speculation by gamestop. The stores don't know anymore about the release than you do.24.113.206.15 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Colon

should we add a colon (or semi colon since i could never tell the difference) on kingdom hearts, making it looks like "kingdom hearts: 358/2 days" or something? because i sw some guy complain about it on chain of memories discussion

You're worried about just one little bit of punctuation? Sorry, but thats pretty funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.246.240 (talk) 08:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

he said it was because some guy complained about it, not that he actually cares. but strange....the colons use to be here and they just got removed. anyways punctuation is important, no matter how small it is. although i see no importance at all to this since the colon doesn't matter even if it was added or removed.Haseo445 (talk) 16:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh really? I'm sorry

Voiced Cutscenes

Are there going to be any voiced cutscenes? I've tried looking for information on it, but so far I havent had any luck, would anyone know about this?

Yes there will be voiced cutscenes. These can be seen from Trailers. Many English Voice Actors from previous games have already confirmed that they are returning for 358/2 days. Like Luxord, Axel, Demyx,Larxene and others these were all confirmed through fan emails or their official personal sites. KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 11:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

4th installment

Rather than reverting back and forth, let's discuss the issue. I believe the previous wording was chosen because, chronologically, the game is set between Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts II. With Birth by Sleep being a prequel, that sets the order as:

1. Birth by Sleep
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Chain of Memories
4. 358/2 Days
5. Kingdom Hearts II
6. coded

Another issue- now that coded has been released, that would make 358/2 Days the fifth installment. Admittedly, the previous wording didn't accurately convey this as it made no distinction of BBS being unreleased. How about something like this:

It will be a new installment in the best-selling Kingdom Hearts series; fifth in the series, but fourth chronological in the overall planned story.

Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC))

I don't think we should put a number at all. The games aren't numbered, it doesn't mean much to say it's the "fourth" or the "fifth" or what have you. It's better to clearly indicate that the game is set between Chains of Memories and Kingdom Hearts II. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Just say it takes place between CoM and KHII. Metalb (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

agreed. still, since final mix are canon, shouldnt we submit that aswell?Haseo445 (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll tweak it to only mention which installment it is. As far the Final Mix games, though they are considered canon, the original releases are normally used for common names. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

Don't you think you order the installments on the order of them being introduce first? i know numerical order is important, but i always thought installment meant that it was the next game coming, not the order of it.Haseo445 (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

But if you are going to do that then why not go with the original statement? Metalb (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

very well. though 358/2 days is technically being the 7th installment. anyways.....i dont mind one bit. do whatever you feel is best.Haseo445 (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Technically wouldn't 358/2 Days be the 8th installment?

1. Kingdom Hearts
2. Kingdom Hearts Final Mix
3. Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories
4. Kingdom Hearts II
5. Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+
6. Kingdom Hearts Re: Chain of Memories
7. Kingdom Hearts coded
8. Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
9. Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep

--68.179.133.176 (talk) 22:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Final fantasy

Any final fantasy characters confirmed? i know this might sound stupid or a fan forum question, but i think it will help to at least say if final fantasy characters in general are confirmed. Though i dont know if they are or not. you think we should look into it?Linder1990 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC).

Sorry, at the moment I don't think I have seen any FF Characters in screenshots. However Moogles will be returning wearing org. XIII cloaks. KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, i guess the moogles are used for synthesis for organization XIII. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linder1990 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Org Partners

I know that Roxas will be accompanied by Axel and Xaldin. Have there been any other partners mentioned? 70.131.151.81 (talk) 01:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I have heard that Roxas can be accompanied by all of the organization's members, and in multiplayer mode you can play as any of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.67.8 (talk) 21:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

These are partners seen in screenshots. Partners may appear in more than one world. Axel is for Neverland and Twilight Town Demyx is for Olympus Colliseum. Xion is for Agrabah. Luzord is for Wonderland Xaldin in Beast's Castle Xigbar in Halloween Town KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

actually there is no particular order, we also seen xion (with her hood on) in castle oblivion and without her hood aswell. the parterns can go anywhere apparently, as far as we know, roxas could be paired with anyone and any world.Haseo445 (talk) 15:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

STOP ADDING THE RELEASE DATE

There is NO confirmed NA release date! Seriously, stop this shit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.29.168 (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Illegal internet leak

There are now several copies of the illegal ROM file floating around, ripped illegally by software pirates. I don't advise you download any of these copies, since no store in Japan is open at 1am (at least not anything other than a love hotel) and it is probable that they contain a virus. While some sources say that the game works just fine, remember that downloading/using ROM files of any kind, even if you own a copy of the game, is illegal and in violation of copyright laws unless the ROM is in the public domain. (Most ROM files are not in the public domain, and Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days is no exception. I do not endorse downloading a ROM. (Seriously! Buy the actual game. My copy will be here in a day or two!!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.192.181 (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

spolier alert

If I'm being over-sensitive by all means ignore this, but I would really appreciate it if someone put a spoiler alert warning or something up... (124.149.223.57 (talk) 10:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

This is actually a topic that pops up every now and then. Per Wikipedia:Spoiler, Wikipedia does not put up spoiler alerts in articles. Mainly because the content is not censored, and sections labeled "Plot", "Synopsis", and "Story" already imply that important plot information will be described.

So sorry, such alerts are to be avoided on Wikipedia. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

Xion's death

its more detail than what it shows. and why keep adding that she died? she was absorbed, not dead. kh doesn't have death in there game. anyways after Roxas defeated Xion, Xion then decides to disappear on her own because she didn't want xemnas to succeed in his plan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.135.28 (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

MERCHANDISE

there is merchandise already coming out! the novels anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.141.144 (talk) 22:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

True...there's alot of merchandise going around. the manga is already serialized and i believe the novels came out aswell. There's even the DS bundle pack....this needs some work.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

uk release date

can someone check this? i find it very unlikly that we're getting it before america dose. 86.158.153.24 (talk) 18:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on here, but people keep changing the release date without any explanation. I gain nothing fighting for one particular release date, I just want someone to sort this nonsense out. What is this business about Argos? The sentence hardly even makese sense. Whether it's true or not, just for goodness sake someone please make the opening paragraph agree with the release date listed on the side. For the record I think it's nonsense, but if/when you remove it, hopefully you'll take the three 'references' needlessly attached to the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prem-aka-Prince (talk • contribs) 01:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Editing

please look over the plot. it has fanboy/girl stuff....like TWTNW, no one would know what it means, so i changed it back to the world that never was. I bet theres more fanboy/girl stuff in here we arent aware. so i suggest we look it over.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Today i found Ansem SOD in there. which of course means this person came from khinsider forums. Again, ihad to edit it to say ansem with the acronyms. we should really try looking harder for this kind of stuff>Bread Ninja (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm waiting for the game to get released here first. Keeping up with all the well-meaning fans was too much for me. Once it's released there should be plenty of sources to write a proper article and it'll be much easier to maintain. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC))

There Is No Release Date For This Right Now!

There is no release date for this right now, you have to change it! it's not released in Japan it's not released in the united states it's not released anywhere! So it has to be changed!67.167.13.117 (talk) 21:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

you are crazy, it has been released in japan for some time now and nthe date has been confirmed, it's common knowledge, have you even entered at a game store?Bread Ninja (talk) 16:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Multiplayer game play

Does anyone know if the multi-player function for this game will require multiple game cards? Or will the multi-player mode be available through download play? (74.99.200.28 (talk) 01:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC))

Multiple cards.Raiespio (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Image

what happened to the cover image in the infobox?Bread Ninja (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone vandalised this article by deleting it and also misspelled words in the article eg changing multiplayer to multilayer. I have restored this page to its previous state. (Vadde (talk) 23:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC))

Hooded Roxas

So, does Dual-wielding roxas REALLY count as his own character? There are 18 playable characters in the game- Orginazation XIII, Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku and King Mickey. So, does Roxas count twice? I mean, he's still the same, just with two kwyblades and his hood pulled over his head.Raiespio (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Dual wielding Roxas is only possible durring mission mode, so i suppose he does count as unlockable.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

First of all, the ability to utilize multiple Keyblades ay once is called Sync-Blade :) And Sync-Blade Roxas has an entirely different move set and Limit attack. Not to mention different health icons and whatnot.

Still, saying that exclusively seperates them by final limit and final limit only. Roxas could put in any gear, should it be the Chrono, Valor or Lift gear and ALWAYS get a new move set. During the battle against Riku, Rooxas gives up the Oblivion. While using only the Oathkeeper, he can use Event Horizon with his hood up. Also, what new health icons are you talking about? Raiespio (talk) 00:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

There's data on all characters in the game's data itself. Each character has it's own data. Roxas has his own, Mickey has his own, etc. Dual Wielding Roxas is in a separate data spot than Roxas. Plus he has his own limit. He's considered a separate character. WolfenFuhrer (talk) 09:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Raiespio i don't understand what your saying, Hooded Roxas is only possible by wielding Zero gear with three ability units. He has his own unique moves and the moves don't resemble those of any other gear, he cant change his moves.

And i agree with WolfenFuhrer, they are considered separate playable charactersBread Ninja (talk) 15:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Dedication

"The game featured Wayne Allwine's final performance as Mickey Mouse (and his last acting role) before his passing; the game is dedicated in his memory." Could we please have a source on this? Specifically, where is the game dedicated? - Brian Kendig (talk) 14:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

It was at the credits.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 18:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I find that little piece of info rather...trivial. Not so sure if it really needs to be said.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

We should just leave it there as form of respect for the late Wayne Allwine.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 17:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The sentiment is appreciated and shared, but Wikipedia is not meant to be a memorial. If third-party sources comment on this aspect of the game, then I see no reason to exclude it as that would comply with WP:V. A first-party source like the game credits wouldn't count though. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC))

there is no source on it, so it should be removed until references are found.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

Play the game, watch the ending credits. "In loving memory of Wayne Allwine" is near the end.75.70.244.171 (talk) 03:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sjones23 (talk · contribs) 03:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Preliminary review, take 1:

• Lead section - should be expanded to three or four paragraphs, and may also include development information.
• Story section - should be reformatted to "Plot" section with setting, character and story subsection in that order.

Hope these help. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, i will work on it right away. sorry for the late responce, i was very busy with another urgent matter and forgot to watch this page.Lucia Black (talk) 01:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added a third paragraph relating to development in the lead and have fixed the "plot/story" subheading.Lucia Black (talk) 01:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC

I think I will help take the lead on this article's review, I am free sunday/monday to work on it. 23:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Closing, to try again: As the primary reviewer has been under forced semi-retirement for over two weeks (requested an account block), and the unsigned volunteer from August 6 has edited only once in the days since posting that (August 19), the review has effectively been abandoned. Lucia Black has opted to have this review closed, and her nomination put back into the reviewing pool, which I'm about to do. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: PresN (talk · contribs) 21:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Right; this has been hanging out in the queue so long that I'm going to go ahead and review it even though I'm in the SE wikiproject- I've never played this game or edited the article, as far as I remember. Review will start shortly. --PresN 21:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Images

Two fair-use; both look fine, though the FURs would need to be longer if you take this to FAC.

Stability

Stable, though there was a dust-up a few weeks ago about including the release dates of the remake/compilation in the infobox; I remember the resulting WT:VG thread.

Lead

• "The story is told from the perspective of Roxas whose daily life in Organization XIII and his relationship with fellow Organization members Axel and Xion." - sentence fragment.
• "The game was decided to be made on the Nintendo DS prior to initial plans" - huh?
• "Roxas chosen as main protagonist during initial planning" - Roxas was chosen, I think.

Gameplay

• Any citations for the second paragraph?
• Link Final Fantasy
• Maybe define what a Keyblade is when you first say it, since only previous players of the series would know (and link it here rather than in the characters section).
• "The second stage of a Final Limit is normally a different or powered-up version of the first" - what's a Final Limit? You were talking about Limit Breaks in the last sentence. In fact, these last two sentences in the last paragraph don't make a lot of sense without context.
• Why are you talking about the Tokyo Game Show?
• "in that everyone will draw"- wrong tense

Plot

• "and her existence prevents Sora's memory from being completed" - memory from being restored? from being completely restored? It's an odd verb choice.
• "who Xemnas altered to act on her purpose" - don't think "on" is the preposition to use here
• "into Twilight Town's virtual simulation" - 'into a virtual simulation of Twilight Town'
• Can I just say that the overall plot of the KH series is really, really weird?
• You don't need to re-link KH2 and KH:Chain of Memories in the Story section

Development

• "2008 Jump Festa" - is it actually Festa?
• "The Nintendo DS was chosen as the system before plans were decided" - like the lead, a strange concoction. Maybe 'The Nintendo DS was chosen as the system before design work began on the game'?
• "This was thought during Kingdom Hearts II" - you mean the idea was thought of during the development of KH2, right?
• "The title, "358/2 Days", is a code that Nomura has stated the player will understand the meaning of at the very end of the game, though hinted in a recent trailer, and the word "day" is attached to the title as a reference to the daily life of Organization XIII" - sounds like this sentence was written before the game was released; why not just say what the title means instead?

Reception

• "average score on Metacritic is 75%" - it's just 75
• Why is RPGFan italicized?
• Although the by-review-outlet organization is fine, it would be better to organize it by theme, so that all of the concerns about the storyline are together, for example- it just makes it easier to see what problems/praises the game had overall across reviews.
• "As of August 2009, the game has sold 490,000 copies in the region. It is also one of the" - 'By August 2009, the game sold', and 'It was also one of the'
• "7 awards on Nintendo 2009 Power awards" - '7 awards in the Nintendo'.
• "Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days had a special edition of the Nintendo DSi" - the game didn't have the edition, a special KH358/2-themed edition of the DSi was released alongside the game.
• The manga section could use a main-article template link to List of Kingdom Hearts media#Printed media

Other

• You could use a {{-}} to stop the portal box from pushing down into the references.
• The references aren't consistent in their dates- either do 'yyyy-mm-dd' or 'month day, year' for all of them
• Ref 51- can you find a better RS for the Famitsu review?
• Ref 53- GameInformer is actually Game Informer, and should be in italics.
• Ref 56- link IGN (also in 14, 15, 17, etc.)
• Ref 67- the author was Mark Matthews, not markatisu
• Be consistent with Gamasutra- stick with a linked Gamasutra, not sometimes unlinked and sometimes gamasutra.com
• It can be a pain to do, but consider archiving the refs via archive.org/web/ or webcitation.org, especially for the SE store links, since those can be transitory.
• Your see-also link is redirecting to just List of Disney video games, which isn't by genre.

Right! That's all that, so I'll place it on hold, and let you get to it. --PresN 22:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I've done alot more with it. no i'm sure its "jump festa" not "festa". but other than that, i've done most of the formatting. unfortunately i found the missing info that you asked for, but their all found in fansites for some reason. there is much more to do, but i'm not sure i'll be able to finish until the on-hold is over. so i guess its a fail for nowLucia Black (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I've gone through and tried my best to fix the remainder of what you mentioned, the articles been sitting here for three months, now its here I'm not gonna let it get passed over. --Lightlowemon (talk) 16:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I've gone through and made some tweaks, but overall I think it's good now, and I'm going to pass the article. Thanks you two! --PresN 19:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Fourth installment?

Both this article and the article for the DS puzzle game claim they are the fourth installment in the Kingdom Hearts series. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.49.18.32 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

This one is the fifth. Will adjust. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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