Talk:Jin (singer)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Addressing "copy and paste", previous deletion of page, and notability

To address a possible issue, this article should not be disallowed admission to mainspace due to its appearance as somewhat of a "copy and paste" article (details listed here: Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#Fixing_cut_and_paste_moves). It is not meant to simply be a name change, but yet a different version of an already existing draft, Draft:Jin (singer) (I would not mind if it is deleted). Although, I do believe that the name change is somewhat necessary, as part of the subjects relativity (...I've given up on my first desire). Edits to this article specifically, information addition/referencing, is mine. It started in my sandbox (seen here: User:IdkSam/sandbox/jin, and the first edits of Draft: Jin (singer), if you would like to see. Basically, it is not only a name change, but a slightly different version of that draft curated by me. It was complicatedly rejected, so this is a different shot I edited with similar but different/added information, and additional changes addressing concerns of previous reviews. Please consider this article as what it is. It is slightly modeled after already-accepted article V (singer), for reference.

To address problems with previous deletion of the page, it was simply deleted due to its tag as an abandoned draft, (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Abandoned_Drafts) it is not a concern and I am aiming to being an improved article of this subject nonetheless. I have reviewed the discussions of his notability and deletion, but I believe I can resubmit my version, which applies to the rules, as this has new information and research... https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kim_Seok-Jin#Requested_move_10_February_2018

Finally... Notability concerns I have found, from Wikipedia:Notability (music) and Wikipedia:Notability:

 "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself."

This has happened countless times, although, both as recognizing his covers AND countless articles (many Korean, yet some English) that describe HIM as an artist and member specifically.

 "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."

This excuses articles that speak details about Jin separately, whilst also considering that the article still talks about others. (ex. an article about BTS that has a section about Jin.)

 "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." 

Jin has had lead artist solo releases, both charting relatively high!

 "For example, material about individual members of a musical group are normally merged into larger articles about the group. Songs may be described in a discography or one of the many lists of songs."

Grammy and Billboard (very reputable sources!) have written independent articles specifically highlighting his own cover. It is NOT a cover produced by BTS (band), but Kim Seok-jin. ("In Front of the Post Office in Autumn" // Merrill, Philip (June 8, 2018). "BTS' Jin Covers Korean Rock Ballad, Debut Track Of Yoon Do-hyun". grammy.com. Retrieved July 6, 2018. // Herman, Tamar (June 7, 2018). "BTS' Jin Releases Cover of 'In Front of the Post Office in Autumn': Listen". billboard.com. Retrieved July 6, 2018.)

 "1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. 
 3. Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria."

Jin has written and particpated in writing Korean BTS songs that are notable as songs by that group. Also, there have been instances where a notable person has used his work or taken his work as a basis for a full composition, like RM (rapper). Jin has written parts of songs produced by someone notabale (RM, if he counts. I'm not sure, but only if that is what number 3 means.) https://www.komca.or.kr/foreign2/eng/S01.jsp, search "10005243" for songwriting credits.

 "Additionally, Wikipedia:Notability, General notability guideline:    • "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Sources do not have to be available online or written in English."

I have several sources in Korean that are allowed, so it is not a concern that I have those as citations.

 "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject that meets the guidelines explained below."

Members of this group BTS (band) are immensely famous. They have been the most mentioned, top social artists for so long. They have appeared on countless talk shows and interviews, especially as this phenomenon as the "biggest boy band on the planet". Considering that...

I hope this shows some of my ideas. idkSam ^(talk) 02:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Kim Seok-jin → Jin (male singer) or Jin (singer, born 1992) – He is known for his stage name rather than his actual name. Kanghuitari (talk) 13:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: There are numerous active singers, male and female, in both Korea and Japan who are commonly referred to as "Jin". Honestly the Jin page mentions some, but it needs updating. Thus, the one with his birth year would be needed for the sake of clarity, and by that point his real name is more commonly used. His birth name has his stage name in it, and while all major publications that mention his birth year also mention his real name (examples: [1] [2]) I also found numerous examples that mention his birth name without the birth year (examples: [3] [4] [5] [6]). Honestly, his birth year is sparsely mentioned beyond "meet Jin" profiles written by reliable sources, and even then they always mention his birth name, which makes the idea of his birth year being mentioned in the title less ideal. Thus, his birth name is more commonly referenced than his birth year, so I think due to how common the name "Jin" is we should keep the page title "Kim Seok-jin". DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 21:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Support move to Jin (singer, born 1992) he’s more commonly known by his stage name, his birth year doesn’t need to be in most sources as long as it’s reliably sourced at least once

in the article, that’s simply for disambiguation purposes.Alexanderlee (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: I think you forgot to sign your comment! ^^' My point with the mentioning of the sources was that his birth name is more commonly mentioned in sources that cover him against his birth year, meaning it's more publicly known. Adding his birth year doesn't help with disambiguation purposes because anyone looking for an article on him would be less likely to know his birth year versus is real name, and to show this I used these publications as samples. His stage name is part of his real name so I feel that they convey equal, if not less with the mention of the birth year, amounts of clarity. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)}

Comment: Consensus was reached (here) to turn this article into a redirect to BTS (band). Vanjagenije (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: that was over a year ago; this article was submitted and accepted Alexanderlee (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: Beyond what was already mentioned, I suggest you read IdkSam's explanation for notability at the top of the page. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 01:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NATURAL" Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Year of birth is a terrible disambiguator and should only be used as the last resort. He seems to be reasonably well-known under his born name. No such user (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Carrer Edit

Kim Seokjin is among youngest receiver of fifth-class Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit in South Korea Along with BTS Bandmates Taehyung wife (talk) 20:38, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Jin Nickname

Popularly known as the Worldwide handsome and it is Scientifically proven as On February 16, 2018 a famous foreign plastic surgeon examined and analyzed 269 different Asian faces. While doing so, Jin's face caught the attention of the surgeon as the BTS member possessed the "golden ratio" of 1:1.618. The ratio requires the space between the two ears to come out to 1 while the distance from one's hairline to the chin must result in a 1.618 measurement. Another aspect it focuses on is the proportion of one's lips and the chin must be 1 whilst the measurement between the lips to the mid-eyes line should exactly be 1.168. Through these pieces of evidence, the doctor concluded that Jin's face is the prime example of the "golden ratio"Taehyung wife (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 21:05, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Edit Photo for Page

The current picture for this wiki site is blurry and not particularly updated or high quality. I am proposing that a new photo be chosen for the page. Kim Seokjin at the 2018 Korean Popular Culture & Arts Awards Kim Seokjin receiving the fifth-class Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthaaiea (talk • contribs) 22:30, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

They have to be located on wiki commons and have no copyright claims on them. Both those photos have copyrights. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, the images can be copyrighted, so long as they are clearly licensed under a free license like the Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0 License. Most pictures found on the internet are under an all-right-reserved license and cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. —C.Fred (talk) 23:22, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

What about these photos?

File:Jin Love Yourself Tour LA.jpg

Jin performing in LA for the BTS Love Yourself World Tour 2018

File:Jin in Paris LY Tour.jpg

Jin performing in Paris during the Love Yourself World Tour 2018

File:Jin in Amsterdam LY Tour.jpg

Jin performing in Amsterdam Love Yourself Tour 2018

File:Jin London Performance.jpg

Jin during the 2018 Love Yourself Tour in London

File:Jin at Love Yourself Tour London Concert.jpg

Jin Performing in London during the London Love Yourself Tour

File:Kim Seokjin accepting his fifth-class Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit.jpg

Kim Seokjin receiving the fifth-class Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit

File:Kim Seokjin at the 2018 Korean Popular Culture & Arts Awards.jpg

Kim Seokjin receiving the fifth-class Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthaaiea (talk • contribs) 17:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: as none of these photos are available for use, or even consideration - as shown by the fact that they are all red-links - Arjayay (talk) 21:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2018

Hi, mind if you add 'Let's eat dinner together' on his Television Show list? He starred that show with Jungkook on 2017. Here's the link for the source: https://www.soompi.com/article/1050827wpp/watch-btss-jin-cracks-everyone-lets-eat-dinner-together . Thank you before. Lishahahartadi (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Not done: There is a consensus not to include guest appearances. I believe that is in solo work though.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 15:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Carrer 2015 present- Solo Activities

Kim Seokjin first entered the top 10 list of the best 'Sculpted face in the World' in December 2018 by Czech doll designers. After receiving a total of 1,504,602 public votes for top10 finalists, Jin has managed to take the winning trophy, selected as #1. Jin has bee announced the one with best 'Sculpted Face in the World' by sculptor Radek Schick. He took 1st place that his oval features balanced symmetrically that can be filmed from any angle and his mouth beautifully curved. As Winning Trophy Kim Seokjin's face engraved on a crystal block with his title "Sculpted". his picture is half his actual face and half his 3d designed face that are almost equal.

Taehyung wife (talk) 18:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

/* Jin Nickname */ worldwide handsome

On February 16, 2018 a famous foreign plastic surgeon examined and analyzed 269 different Asian faces. While doing so, Jin's face caught the attention of the surgeon as the BTS member possessed the "golden ratio" of 1:1.618. The ratio requires the space between the two ears to come out to 1 while the distance from one's hairline to the chin must result in a 1.618 measurement. Another aspect it focuses on is the proportion of one's lips and the chin must be 1 whilst the measurement between the lips to the mid-eyes line should exactly be 1.168. Through these pieces of evidence, the doctor concluded that Jin's face is the prime example of the "golden ratio". Thus BTS Jin scientifically proven to be 'Worldwide Handsome' Source https://www.allkpop.com/article/2018/02/bts-jin-scientifically-proven-to-be-worldwide-handsome

References

Still no reliable sources listed here to verify. —C.Fred (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

An anonymous plastic surgeon in an article that does not tell us why Jin is different to the others. Can you not see why this source tells us nothing of value? Britmax (talk) 18:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Further, that article is at a gossip site. I question the motive of any site that says "we not only break news but make news."[7] —C.Fred (talk) 21:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

"Kim Seokjin first entered the top 10 list of the best 'Sculpted face in the World' in December 2018 by Czech doll designers"; thats trivial, even if sourced. What credibility does random Czech doll designers have? Why is this important to be inlcuded? Same with that gossip that one unnamed plastic surgeon said he is close to "golden ratio" – so what? Who said that (first and last name), and what kind of research has he done to claim that? Snowflake91 (talk) 20:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I just found out that this Czech's doll company "The best Sculpted face in the World" was actually fan-voted, so completely trivial and meaningless as I expected. Snowflake91 (talk) 20:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Shin hi: since two other editors have disputed your additions, please discuss your edits regarding this topic here instead of reverting further. clpo13_(talk) 20:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

In response of that User:Snowflake91 user the doctor last name was included in dispatch article so its not our problem that you do not hear his name just check dispatch out also he did not write only about jin also other two asian male with golden ratio too about czdollic public vote casted after selecting top10 based face proportion that was in their previous article including top10 and they revialed why they choose top10 too, is this necessary we include all articles to prove everything to you? about that allkpop they actually get articles from korean source as i am an korean language user i know this well, the actual source are korean(Shin hi (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)).

User:C.Fred Is not naver relatable source instead of allkpop an gossip website? because many of wikipedia users using naver in wikipedia as source too its naver article about him, the largest news portal in korea : http://entertain.naver.com/now/read?oid=468&aid=0000356402 (Shin hi (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC))

• I still think all of this is fancruft. No one cares that someone thinks seokjin has a "golden ratio" for his face except fans. Just post it on a fan board or twitter. This is wikipedia. I myself am a fan of BTS and sometimes that line gets blurry so when I am unsure I put a note that I am so future editors can decide if it's notable enough to keep on the page. In this situation numerous people have stated this material isn't noteworthy. As for the consensus on not to add visual rankings that was a decision decided by the k-pop community as a whole. If you want visual rankings to be added again you'd have to bring it up again among the whole community. But realize though not every ranking should be added. How much coverage a piece gets among other things is what makes a ranking notable. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 05:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with Ukiss2ne14lyfe here. I don't see how this anything other than fancruft. The point of Wikipedia is to summarize key points relevant to the subject. In this case, it is to summarize Kim's career as a singer and public figure. Just because information is provided by reliable sources does not mean it is relevant. If you believe his physical appearance is central to his career beyond what is already included (him being scouted by his agency for it) I fully invite you to explain it, Shin hi. The only reason I could see including it is a mention of his idol persona in an Artistry section. This, however, wouldn't mention various random awards he won for his face, but moreso his stage personality, similar to the Marilyn Monroe article's "Screen persona and reception" section. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 06:00, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I am trying to tidy up the page (and if anyone knows how to get the "sources" to say with the sections and not sink to the bottom have at it). The information is total cruft however and has no place here. Britmax (talk) 18:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Britmax: If you meant to get the sources to stay with the talk page sections, I've done that. And it seems consensus is pretty clear not to add this fancruft. Going to add there was a similar discussion about stuff like this on Jungkook's talk page. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 22:19, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Britmax (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not convinced the sourcing is sufficient to add anything. But if people are saying no beauty/physical appearance rankings are ever justified I'm not sure I'd agree this is supported by normal practice. Emma Stone as FA currently says

In 2009, she featured in AskMen's Top 99 Women, FHM's 100 Sexiest Women in the World, and Maxim magazine's Hot 100;[129][164] the latter also placed her on the list on three other occasions‍—‌2010, 2011, and 2014.[165] She continued to be featured in AskMen's annual beauty lists from 2010 to 2015, ranking among the top forty each year.[166] In 2011, she appeared in Victoria's Secret's list of What is Sexy? as the Sexiest Actress.[167] She was mentioned in several other media outlet lists that year, including People magazine's 100 Most Beautiful Women, each of FHM's and FHM Australia's 100 Sexiest Women in the World, and Men's Health magazine's 100 Hottest Women.[168] She ranked sixth on Empire's list of the 100 Sexiest Movie Stars in 2013.[169] <snipped> In 2017, Buzznet named her one of the world's most beautiful women.[172]

It said something similar when it was promoted. [8] Jennifer Lawrence another FA says

Lawrence appeared in Victoria's Secret's listing of the "Sexiest Up-and-Coming Bombshell" in 2011,[149] People's Most Beautiful People in 2011 and 2013,[150] Maxim's Hot 100 from 2011 to 2014,[151] and topped FHM's sexiest women in the world list in 2014.[152]

Again similar when promoted [9] Perhaps this is more important for actors as they are regularly appearing on screen, but it's hard to argue it isn't also important for musical artists sometimes. After all, that tends to be seen as a key defining feature of boy bands. But anyway, let's see Taylor Swift

She refuses to take part in overly sexualized photo-shoots,[277] although Bloomberg L.P. views her as a sex symbol.[278] <snipped> and ranked first in Maxim's Hot 100 list.[282]

Again similar when promoted [10] Another one Katy Perry

Perry is considered a sex symbol; GQ labelled her a "full-on male fantasy",[9] while Elle described her body "as though sketched by a teenage boy".[21] Vice described her as a "'serious' popstar/woman/sex symbol".[259] She was placed at number one on the Maxim Hot 100 in 2010 as the "most beautiful woman in the world", with editor Joe Levy describing her as a "triple – no quadruple – kind of hot".[260] Men's Health readers voted her the "sexiest woman of 2013".[261]

And yeah similar when promoted [11] There are obvious sexism problems if we say this sort of stuff is sometimes acceptable for females but never males. And of course that isn't how things are handled anyway. Shah Rukh Khan

He has regularly featured among the top ten on The Times of India's list of the 50 most desirable men in India,[256][257] and in a 2007 poll by the magazine Eastern Eye he was named the sexiest man in Asia.

Even if this one was the rarity when it wasn't when promoted I think it would still be relevant but of course it was [12]. I gave more examples here although many of them aren't FA [13] (but I think Bradley Cooper is, and not given there but one I noticed is Brad Pitt).

To be clear, I'm not saying this means we must mention the above in this article, as said the sourcing looks too poor. And I'm aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The point remains I find it hard to justify any suggestion this sort of content never belongs no matter the sourcing since no one cares or only fans care or whatever, or it's completely subjective. Subjective but well sourced rankings and opinions of someone's physical attractiveness are a common part of articles including our best work, so seem to be something the community has accepted.

I don't think Marilyn Monroe is the best example because she passed before this sort of thing was so common, which doesn't apply here. Also, the lengthy time since her passing means retrospectives that can be used to put things in perspective. (That article does still mention sex symbol or similar words a lot of times.)

Nil Einne (talk) 19:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

BTW, I missed something above. If some WP:Consensus was reached to always exclude such rankings from K-pop stars, that may be sufficient justification subject to the limits of WP:Local consensus. Such a consensus should be linked though, especially since I can't find it mentioned in any WP:MOS Nil Einne (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Nil Einne I've always excluded such rankings because of the consensus. I've always thought some of them should be added since they've received a lot of coverage, such as the Chandler list, but abstained because I've always been told not to add it. Although I do still believe the above request is trivial and fancruft I think other official rankings should be able to mentioned since other pages outside of the k-pop community does it. I think back then they came to the consensus because there wasn't a lot of coverage for the rankings but now there is a lot more. I'm not certain, it was decided before I became an active editor on here.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 21:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Net Worth Source

Is this source really considered reliable: '"BTS Net Worth". The Wealth Record. January 6, 2019. Retrieved January 17, 2019.'? The article itself appears to be very poor quality, with spelling and grammatical errors, personal opinions and vague facts. There is no mention of their sources of information to determine net worth. This appears to be a rumoured net worth and I believe that it should be removed. VarietyofBlack (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed - this is pure puff and tabloid-y Evaders99 (talk) 02:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@VarietyofBlack: Pinging Ukiss2ne14lyfe as she added the net worth. It's worth noting that net worth does appear quite frequently on articles, including GAs like Beyoncé, though that does have a more reputable source, Forbes. I know nothing of the Wealth Record. As an additional note, what are these personal opinions, vague facts, and grammatical errors? The article talks about music he's released as well as descriptions provided by critics. The only thing I could consider vague is the Gallup Korea note, which could be explained further. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 04:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Went through and clarified what I could and fixed any grammar mistakes I noticed (there weren't that many). Not going to touch Net Worth just yet. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 04:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it's taken off to me. I only added it after I saw other pages had it. I added the same thing to the individual EXO member pages too so I'd have to pull it off from there also. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Other charted song

Add dream glow by bts features charli xcx Zihan sabah (talk) 18:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The song is credited as a BTS track, has two other members on it/isn't a solo by him, so it'd be listed under BTS songs discography. Same reason Jamis Vu isn't here. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 01:07, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2019

"Change Kim to Jin". Kim is his surname and not how he is normally addressed, whereas Jin is his stage name and what he is known as. JR9241 (talk) 03:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Not done - Wikipedia is a use formal encyclopedic syntax - WP:SURNAME is the guideline for this. Evaders99 (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

But the policy states: "People who are best known by a pseudonym should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym, in which case the whole pseudonym is used. For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally [which is not Jin's case, though] – use the legal surname. If they use their mononym or pseudonym exclusively, then use that name." --Chiya⁹² 14:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

@Chiyako92: That's in relation to page titles, that's why it's under the header "subsequent use". If the title of the page is the stage name, like V, J-Hope, or RM, use that for the rest of the article. I'm considering doing a move request for this page anyways, to Jin (singer). I wanted to avoid the year disambiguation cause it's bad (see the move discussion) because Jin (singer) redirects to the "Jin" page, but only one other musician is listed, and they're disambigulated as musician. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 02:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 19 August 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. So sorry – see pretty much a snow agreement below to keep this article at its present title. The other suggested disambiguation received some support and opposition, so while that is a possible future discussion, it's not for now. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 19:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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Kim Seok-jin → Jin (singer) – Multiple editors have raised concern with the page title being Kim's real name over his more commonly used stage name "Jin". It was initially kept as "Kim Seok-jin" due to his birth year being added to disambiguate, but that actually isn't necessary. The only other notable singer listed on Jin#People is former J-pop idol Jin Akanishi, who has never been known mononymously as "Jin", like "Britney" for Britney Spears. Kim is also the primary topic for "Jin (singer)" anyways, as his page sees significantly more pageviews—a daily average of 3,480 vs. 127 for Akanishi. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 16:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

*Support per nom. Alex (talk) 16:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC) new vote below Alex (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: There is also a singer in Lovelyz who uses the mononym Jin, and there is also MC Jin. Partial disambiguation should generally be avoided. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: MC Jin already has the “MC” as a disambiguation in his name already? And Lovelyz Jin doesn’t have her own article, is it necessary to disambiguation between a singer with an existing article and one without? Alex (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Regarding disambiguation from MC Jin, the question is not whether MC Jin's article's name is sufficiently distinct, but whether this article's name sufficiently distinguishes this person from him. Regarding the Lovelyz singer, per WP:DAB, disambiguation on Wikipedia should be a matter of topics, not just stand-alone articles. Disambiguation should consider all topics discussed on Wikipedia, regardless of whether something is discussed "as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic". The article about Lovelyz does not say very much about her, so perhaps she is not especially notable. However, it worries me somewhat to see that there are at least four different topics on Wikipedia that appear to fit the description of "Jin (singer)". Generally, when we put a disambiguation term in parentheses, we would like it to be sufficient to uniquely clarify the topic, and WP:NATURAL disambiguation is preferred. Terms that have only partial disambiguation are generally redirected to a dab page, per WP:INCOMPDAB. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: thank you for the explanation. Though now it makes me wonder whether it is actually worth changing the article if it means adding a disambiguation. Going by your comments above, perhaps a better solution would be turning Jin (singer) into a redirect to the people section of the Jin article. Alex (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: MC Jin is a rapper, not a singer. Those two professions aren't really confused to the point where the "singer" disambiguation would be an issue, in my opinion. In terms of Lovelyz Jin, as you said not much is written about her on the Lovelyz page itself, let alone as her own topic, for there to be substantial confusion. Not sure if this makes a difference, but Kim's page sees a lot more traffic than Lovelyz or Akanishi. I still feel this falls under WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, see also Google trends comparisons, and a Google search of what shows up when you look for "Jin singer". (Here's the encrypted link that prevents personal search bias to check results.) Given the dramatic difference in traffic statistics it appears that most readers are looking for this singer in particular and using a template like {{for}} will clear up the additional issues. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 21:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, changing from my original support vote. If there are multiple entries which would fit Jin (singer) then more disambiguation would be required for the new titlez if the article already has a name which doesn’t require further disambiguation it’s probably best to leave it that way. Alex (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: As for me, I support per DanielleTH's nomination reasons, but maybe we could move the page to Jin (singer, born 1992). --Chiya^ko92 09:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are four entries on the DAB page who readers might reasonably search for as Jin (singer). Making one of the WP:TOPIC will confuse some readers and very likely accumulate bad links.

Support the proposal to rename this article Jin (singer, born 1992), with Kim Seok-jin as a redirect to it. That title would, with any luck, jump out of the options in the search box to anyone looking for this article. Narky Blert (talk) 13:04, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support Jin (singer, born 1992) - Having it just at Jin (singer) could cause confusion ... although I still kinda think the proposed one could cause confusion .... meh it's better than Jin (singer) anyway. –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 13:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose move to Jin (singer, born 1992) per my reasoning in the last move. A reader unfamiliar with the singer would be much more likely to know his birth name than his birth year, so the 1992 disambiguation does little to help differentiate him to most of the readerbase. I will quote what I wrote in the last discussion: "His birth name has his stage name in it, and while all major publications that mention his birth year also mention his real name (examples: [14] [15]) I also found numerous examples that mention his birth name without the birth year (examples: [16] [17] [18] [19]). Honestly, his birth year is sparsely mentioned beyond 'meet Jin' profiles written by reliable sources, and even then they always mention his birth name, which makes the idea of his birth year being mentioned in the title less ideal. Thus, his birth name is more commonly referenced than his birth year, so I think due to how common the name 'Jin' is we should keep the page title 'Kim Seok-jin'." See WP:NATURAL, the current page name isn't ideal but I don't feel it should be changed to a less helpful one just to get his stage name in there. Narky Blert and BarrelProof, how would you feel about using the suggested name and adding a {{for}} template up top? I still feel that the the viewership stats I linked above indicate few editors would be looking elsewhere, but I do understand your reasoning.

Somewhat unrelated but, Chiyako92 and Alexanderlee, how would you feel if, should the page be kept to his real name, we ignored the rule about using family names in subsequent mentions on the page and just used "Jin"? That may be clearer to readers and solve part of the issue. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 00:16, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: if the article does stay with the name it currently has then I think using Jin throughout rather than Kim could potentially cause more problems in the long run, and disruption to other articles with names being changed and this article being used as reasoning. I’ve seen editors take one thing from one article and use it as reason to change numerous other articles to be the same. Especially with how prolific BTS members are I personally think it would be better to leave what isn’t broken, though if others disagree then I’ll support and continue to implement any changes to this article. Alex (talk) 00:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: I think that he should be mentioned as "Jin", and that the article should be moved anyway, that's why I proposed the birth year disambiguation, even though I would prefer "Jin (singer)" and the {{for}} template you suggested. I don't really know if it makes sense to completely disambiguate the title preventively when Lovelyz's Jin might never be encyclopedic as a stand-alone article. I know this is the policy at it.wiki, but I admit I'm not familiar with en.wiki's one. --Chiya^ko92 07:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@DanielleTH: There was a recent discussion on a similar topic at Talk:Steve Smith (cricketer)#Requested move 14 July 2019. The discussion mentioned several other examples, and led to a further discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Primary topic and Incomplete disambiguation conflicts. Those are not precedents for this or any other RM, but the arguments are worth reading. Narky Blert (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I tend to be very reluctant about partial disambiguation. I generally think that if we're going to use parenthetical disambiguation, we should use a disambiguation phrase that is sufficient to fully disambiguate. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - I have no problem with partial disambiguation when used judiciously, and frankly the suggestion to move Steve Smith (cricketer) to Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1989) is an appalling one. But in this case, given the confusion and ambiguity, and the available of the naturally disambiguated full name, which is used in a reasonable number of places, I don't see a pressing reason to move.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - WP:SINGLENAME suggests using the last name is known and used fairly often. Google search seems to show that it is. Given that other disambiguation seems problematic, this seems like the best title to stay at. Evaders99 (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2019

It says he is currently enrolled at the Uni but right now he has already graduated from the Uni for acting a couple of years ago. Kpopfan2014 (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Page missing information

There is no Moon in his discography. Filmography is missing many of his variety/TV shows Seokjinnie moon (talk) 04:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

kim seok-jin has a nikname which is world wide hundsome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.179.132.214 (talk) 04:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Sected edit request on 5 June 2020

{{subst:trim|1=

{When you type in "kim seokjin age" make it say "very young"}

Not done- Wikipedia is factual with his birth date and neutral Evaders99 (talk) 07:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

79.143.111.140 (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 10:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

The artist name needs to be changed to only "Jin" because that is his band name 168.211.39.251 (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done see the move requests above. Alex (talk) 19:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

There is a typo in his name i want to correct that. Bts2dream (talk) 08:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bts2dream: where is the typo? Alex (talk) 09:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

There's actually no typo...what i meant was that i noticed this that his name "jin" should be capitalized like the J should be capital because it's his main name. But it's still okay Bts2dream (talk) 19:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bts2dream: the "jin" in Kim Seok-jin should not be capitalised. Alex (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020

Please change the name of the Wiki page from Kim Seokjin to Jin (at the top of the Wiki page). He is a member of BTS and his stage name is Jin. Please change the name above his main photo from Kim Seok-jin to Jin, his stage name (look at other members example). If you look at the pages for the other BTS members, their stage name ie RM, J-HOPE, Suga is the name of their page and above their photo, not their birth name. Because of this error, Google cannot find Jin's page to add to their BTS members page. Also, his name Kim Seok-jin should go underneath the main photo, above born ie:

Kim, Seok-jin Born December 4, 1992 (age 27) Gwacheon, Gyeonggi-do, South Korea

Link to info: https://ibighit.com/bts/eng/profile/ 76.95.3.189 (talk) 01:35, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done see the move requests above. Google not showing his page isnt because of Wikipedia, this has only recently become an issue and has nothing to do with the name of the article. Alex (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding Information - 9 June 2020

Can we add his covers Autumn Outside the Post Office, Mom and I Love You under an additional section of Covers or under other songs? As an addition please change the main article name to Jin as Google search shows his name as Jin and not Kim Seok-jin. Moreover Jin is his stage name and should be used like as in other members' articles!

Thank you! Seokjinnie moon (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

The covers are mentioned in the prose of the article under solo work, they're not mentioned in the discography as that's intended for original and/or commercially released works. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 17:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Missing Information

Under the Discography - Charted Songs section, there is no reference to his solo song Moon (Map of the Soul:7) Under his Filmography Section, A number of shows he has been on is completely missing like Please Take Care of My Refrigerator (with Jimin), Let's Eat Dinner Together (with Jungkook), Hello Counselor (with Jimin), Top 3 chef (with Hoseok) and Idol chef King (Contestant) I hope somebody can rectify the information Seokjinnie moon (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Moon is in the process of being added, for the missing variety shows see here. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 17:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The Kim Jin discourse

This whole discussion arises from Twitter, where people are questioning why is it only Jin's Wikipedia page that is using his last name whereas other members' pages all use their stage names/real names (All English Wikipedia pages). Some clarification on this topic would be really helpful. Especially as some Korean people are a bit offended on this matter. Thank you! Rati2707 (talk) 11:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

You can check the #Requested move 19 August 2019 discussion. --Chiya^ko92 13:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Seokjin's song Charting in itunes

We can mention about Moon being the bside track with highest #1 in we itunes. We can also mention Awake, Epiphany,Moon have the record of having highest #1 from wings, ly answer, mots7 respectively Winterblossom24 (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Winterblossom24: Not without reliable sources to support. Besides the lack of sources provided, iTunes charting is also WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Alex (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Usage of Kim in the page instead of Jin

As noticed, user Alexanderlee has said that we cannot use Jin just because it's an English Wikipedia. Therefore, A) Change his name to Seokjin Kim as it's an English Wikipedia B) This does not give user Alexanderlee to disrespect the culture, his own culture because of their stupid refusal to use his first name Seokjinnie moon (talk) 14:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Per MOS:SURNAME, subsequent uses of a person's name in a biographical article will use the person's surname, not their given name. This is the standard of the English language Wikipedia. If you wish to change this, and instead have subsequent uses of a person's name use their given name, I recommend you initiate a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography to that effect. Also, referring to someone's actions as "stupid" is not helpful in achieving your desired changes. This has rather the opposite effect in convincing people you are correct. I strongly encourage you to use other means. Please see Wikipedia:No personal attacks. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• As stated above, see MOS:SURNAME. Reason for using Kim instead of Jin has been stated time and time again, as seen in the history section; and not only by myself. Oh great, you're throwing in personal attacks now? If you're going to insult me, you could at least ping me. Alex (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Why can't you just use his full name? Melcru11 (talk) 01:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Melcru11: because of the reasons stated above; I suggest you read them. Alex (talk) 07:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• If the issue is on second usage, we are inconsistent across the articles of BTS members. Compare:

Article title	Kim Seok-jin	Jungkook
Introductory sentences	Kim Seok-jin (Korean: 김석진; born on December 4, 1992), also known by his stage name Jin, is a South Korean singer, songwriter, and member of the South Korean boy band BTS since June 2013. Kim was scouted for the group while in university and joined Big Hit Entertainment as an actor, eventually transitioning to a Korean idol.	Jeon Jung-kook (Korean: 전정국; born September 1, 1997), better known mononymously as Jungkook (stylized as Jung Kook), is a South Korean singer and songwriter. He is a member of and vocalist in the South Korean boy band BTS.
Subsequent reference in solo activities section	Kim collaborated with fellow BTS member V on the song "It's Definitely You", released as part of the Hwarang: The Poet Warrior Youth original soundtrack. He also joined BTS member Jungkook to sing and release an alternate version of "So Far Away", a song from BTS member Suga's self-titled mixtape Agust D.	In September 2015, Jungkook participated in the "One Dream, One Korea" campaign, taking part in a song collaboration alongside numerous Korean artists in memory of the Korean War.

That passage in this article is the most damning. We refer to Kim Seok-jin by his given name and Jeon Jung-kook by his stage name. Why the mismatch? I would argue that the article should be rewritten to use "Jin" as the subsequent reference form, at least once he begins performing. (Compare Madonna (entertainer), which never uses her surname as a subsequent reference.) Otherwise, there's a strong case to rewrite that passage in this article as follows (optional given names for clarity in brackets):

Kim Seok-jin collaborated with fellow BTS member Kim Tae-hyung on the song "It's Definitely You", released as part of the Hwarang: The Poet Warrior Youth original soundtrack. He also joined BTS member Jeon [Jung-kook] to sing and release an alternate version of "So Far Away", a song from BTS member Min [Yoon-gi]'s self-titled mixtape Agust D.

So, to reframe the question, why are we externally inconsistent with other entertainers' articles, both inside and outside BTS, and why are we internally inconsistent, using other members' stage names but the subject's surname in the same sentence? —C.Fred (talk) 16:15, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Let's be externally and internally consistent and apply WP:MONONYM to the article titles and MOS:SURNAME to the articles then. I opposed the Jungkook rename. If Wikipedia is going to be a model encyclopedia, then these are consistent policies to follow. Evaders99 (talk) 23:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

And why not MOS:STAGENAME? —C.Fred (talk) 01:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Because in most cases, these aren't pseudonyms. Most Kpop artists are called "Group-name's First-name" and I believe the intent of WP:MONONYM is not to make the First-name the primary article. Evaders99 (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

Jin is called World Wide Handsome 208.93.207.42 (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

Jin is called World Wide Handsome 66.176.17.55 (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: and won't be done. Please see the numerous discussions above and in the archives about this - Arjayay (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

nickname for jin

For other names can I write mr. worldwide handsome. That is his nickname.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.87.200.76 (talk • contribs) 07:50, June 25, 2021 (UTC)

There are multiple threads on this, where your question is already answered. Please see those above. Please also remember to sign your comments with four tidles (~~~~) on talk pages. Alex (talk) 08:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for title change

As a continuation of the discussion on the move (?) of the title of this Wikipedia article. May I suggest simply Jin (of BTS)? Sorry I am new here so please tell me if I didn't understand something but basically I think the uniformity of the BTS member's articles as a whole should be taken into consideration especially because they are of same type (they are all biographies of living people, of South Korean Nationalities, with stage names and Korean names, etc). And in comparison with the other member's articles, all the members are referred to by their stage names or pronouns. Jin is the only exception. PurpleIsTheBestColour (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@PurpleIsTheBestColor: Welcome to Wikipedia. The previous move request happened in 2019 (2 years ago) and there are 5 oppose "votes". If you think the comments from the 5 oppose "votes" under Talk:Kim Seok-jin/Archive 1#Requested move 19 August 2019 has changed after 2 years and should be revisited then feel free to open another move request. See WP:RM#CM on the instructions to do so. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:45, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2021

Seokjin height 1.80m 14.192.216.142 (talk) 22:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2021

Please change the image = Jin on the Billboard Music Awards red carpet, 1 May 2019.jpg to the image = BTS Jin 'ON' Kinetic Manifesto Film Come Prima Photo Sketch.jpg using this text File:BTS Jin 'ON' Kinetic Manifesto Film Come Prima Photo Sketch.jpg Orion C. Fischer (talk) 15:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please read WP:COPYVIO and WP:IUP. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Please change his profile pic

All the members of BTS have their latest pic as DP. Jin's is from 2019 and he doesn't even look that way now. Please change his to 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeepaJK (talk • contribs) 01:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• Ok. Do you have a source for a free license image that we could use? --Hammersoft (talk) 12:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@DeepaJK: he still looks exactly the same in 2021. His face hasn't changed. The only thing different would be his hair color, which does not prevent anyone from correctly identifying him based on the picture in the article. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

He is 30 years old now

His birthday was on December 4th so he is 30 now so please change it to that 2407:7000:8CDD:7400:3860:BCD9:3536:E30E (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't go by the Korean age system. It's based off of his real age. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

His age is calculated automatically by the template. 2021 minus 1992 equals 29. He will be 30 next December, and the template will update his age at that time. General Ization ^Talk 19:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2021

Please combine the following sentences under the "Early life and education" section: "He originally wished to be a journalist. But after watching Kim Nam-gil in Queen Seondeok he decided to pursue acting". Thank you! Kathyl23 (talk) 08:55, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done – @Kathyl23: thanks for your suggestion. Jr8825 • Talk 09:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Change profile picture

All the other members profile has been update to latest 2021 , only jin havent kind update him . You can choose from latest GQ or VOGUE magazine thank you 42.153.137.145 (talk) 15:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Please supply an image with a free license for use, thanks. – robertsky (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

No, we can't. These pictures will be copyrighted to the publications concerned and will not be compatible with our free distribution requirements. Britmax (talk) 15:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Correct the name from Kim to Jin

When referencing through the article please change from Kim to Jin All the other members Wikipedia entries are referred to by either their first names or their stage names and Jin is Seokjin’s stage name as well as his first name. I know that wiki style guide recommends using surnames however in some cases it makes more sense to use the names more widely known to the public. The entry does not read well with Kim this and Kim that. 49.193.106.223 (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@49.193.106.223 you're right 41.221.57.142 (talk) 19:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Early life edits

Can we update the link for Anyang? Current link is for a city in China. Can we also update that Seokjin was born in Anyang but raised in Gwacheon (same reference confirming he was born in Anyang) 2607:FEA8:33A4:3300:B38E:D8:1E51:585B (talk) 19:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

 Already done It's already been updated. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 23:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The link under "Early Life" still links to the city in China. There was also no updates regarding being raised in Gwacheon 2607:FEA8:33A4:3300:978:D939:DFFC:47FE (talk) 18:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I got the link in Early life. —C.Fred (talk) 18:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Dating rumours

In may 2019 rumours of bts jin(kim seok jin) is dating blackpink jisoo(kim jisoo) were published that many fans thought they are really dating but it's still a rumour 31.2.241.127 (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

As you said, rumours. – robertsky (talk) 08:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Jin’s military Career

Is it too early to add a military career for Jin’s wiki? Since he enlisted yesterday December 13, 2022 2603:8080:7D07:7700:E9BA:DB27:7165:67E8 (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Could someone add am A:B comparison photo of him like in the BBC here [20] for how he looked before and after going into service. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I already mentioned this on Btspurplegalaxy's talk page, but there are no pictures of him entering service (maybe a few paparazzi ones; it was a private ceremony and media was not invited). The picture of him with a buzzcut, apart from not adding anything of value to the article, is a selfie uploaded to Weverse; not sure that passes Wikipedia's filter (I'm really not familiar with that). I checked multiple articles of enlisted or formerly enlisted idols and couldn't find any pictures of them during their entrance ceremony, service or discharge. Unless being in the Army impacts his health and or looks I fail to see how a before and after comparison would be relevant enough to include, especially now; he enlisted only a few days ago. - Ïvana (talk) 18:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

This other image from Billboard is being marked as a 'courtesy' photo here [21]. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:09, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I'd also like to know what value including such a photo would add to the existing article. And the BB photo looks like a snap from the Bangtan Bomb video. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

The image looks flattering and as if the members of the group are taking it all in stride and not moping. If they are going into the service with high spirits, then I think it is to their credit and will gain fan loyalty. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

But what encyclopaedic value does that add to the article? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

They are going into a scheduled separation for 3 years starting this month; are they happy about it or do they have regrets? Are you saying that its enough said in the article as is in its current form? The FA for Elvis on Wikipedia seemed to make more of an issue about this same type of transition into the military. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Ernest you seem to somehow not understand what is being asked, so I will repeat it again: what encyclopaedic value does adding that photo of Jin contribute to the article? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

"are they happy about it or do they have regrets?" I don't think we can infer from a picture what is their state of mind; if you feel that that is important to include then you should rely on sourced statements from Jin or the other members, not pictures open to interpretation. There is a lot that could be said about enlistment and the backlash BTS, and especially Jin, received even when they never said they were aiming for exemption; how entertainment companies (not Hybe) used their name to push for exemption for their own artists; how politicians discussed it for years; western media response to the news etc etc. But thats a different discussion and it is probably better suited for the BTS article. Like I said before, I don't see the value of adding any of the pictures mentioned above. - Ïvana (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You're both rather convincing on this; it may be a matter of a few months before he is in the press again. What if he receives an offer to remake a film like GI Blues. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't know the scope of restrictions imposed on conscripts. Either way, WP:CRYSTALBALL. - Ïvana (talk) 18:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

An official military photo comes out here: [22]. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't consider that 'official', the website that picture was taken from is for family members and friends; you need to register and know exactly where he is stationed, which was leaked to the media. Soompi is also an unreliable source per WP:KO/RS. Even if Big Hit released a picture, what's the point of adding it? Not trying to be rude but I don't understand why you're pushing so hard for pictures to be included. Like Carlobunnie said, what encyclopaedic value does that add? I haven't seen any in other idols articles, not even Seungri who was suspended from service and is currently in military prison. Mentioning his date of enlistment and circumstances surrounding it seems more than enough. - Ïvana (talk) 01:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Awards & nomination

Those of you who can edit Seokjin's awards and nominations, I ask you to edit, please. there are 2 awards & 6 nominations that have not been included in this wikipedia english website Rahma Dianti W. (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2022

Change the profile picture of Kim Seok-jin to a photo from the recently released “The Astronaut” album released by him. Longalishes (talk) 04:10, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: We can't just place any picture of him as it would need to be under a Creative Commons license. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Change it to a more appropriate picture that is in a more natural state. This picture has been used to mock him on twitter (for unknown reasons). There are better pictures to pick from Usereditksj (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

Change low quality picture of Kim Seokjin to better quality picture of Kim Seokjin

Suggestion: https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/photo-gallery/48635700/image/48635705/Jin-at-2021-Jingle-Ball-Red-Carpet/amp Usereditksj (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Early life and education “he was scouted by South Korean K-pop agency SM Entertainment off the street but rejected the offer at the time“

 Not done: this image cannot be used as it is not on Wikimedia Commons and was sourced from Getty Images small jars tc 22:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Correction: Kim Seokjin said in a radio interview that he actually auditioned for Sm Entertainment but he didn’t come to a callback.

Source https://twitter.com/scxrletquartz/status/1301337763476844546/video/1

Artistry

Moon by Kim Seokjin was stated in the “75 Greatest Boy Band Songs of All Time' list at Number #5 in 2020

Source https://au.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/boy-band-songs-greatest-14732/bts-moon-2020-14804/

The Astronaut" Ranks No. 68 On Rolling Stone's Top 100 Best Songs Of 2022 List

Source https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-songs-2022-list-1234632381/

Music critic Kim Yeong Dae said in his YouTube Chanel, where he discusses musical releases, that he was impressed by Jins impactive belting at the end of Don't leave me.

In TIME magazine’s review of the song “let go“ by Bts. There’s a portion dedicated to Jin.

"Jin’s bright tone, in particular, shines in delivering the bittersweet emotions of wrestling between holding on and letting go, the internal struggle described by the lyrics“

Source: https://time.com/5786954/most-underrated-bts-songs/

Early life and education (additional information)

Jin was accepted into konkuk university with a passing rate of 1:201 ( 0.05%) one and a half month prior. He enrolled earlier

Source https://www.allkpop.com/article/2022/01/btss-jin-gets-praised-by-his-acting-teacher-from-konkuk-university

Jin has an eat Jin series on weverse (earlier called vlive) that he started on May 20th 2015

Encounters with other celebrities:

Netflix 'Love Alarm' lead actor Song Gang talked about seeing Jin once while in Konkuk University. They attended together. It was before Jin debuted. He found Jin so handsome so he asked his classmate who he was.

https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/song-kang-netflix-drama-bts-jin-handsome-face-genius/

Two former big hit trainees, one now actor Park Seoham, talking about Jin’s looks remarking both that “he is the most handsome man they have ever seen“

Source https://kbizoom.com/former-big-hit-trainee-can-never-stop-admiring-bts-jins-real-life-handsome-visuals/

Jin’s visuals earned him titles such as

"Most Sculpted Face"

By The Czech firm CzDollic

https://www.scmp.com/culture/music/article/2183951/k-pop-star-jin-bts-has-worlds-best-sculpted-face-according-doll-maker

"Most Perfect Face in World"

based on scientifical research established by a Dutch creative visual artists team.

Source: https://btsbomb.com/bts-jin-world-most-perfect-face-based-on-scientific-research/

"Top Male beauty"

Nick Paxson, a user experience researcher at Start-up Health in Ireland, investigated the similarities between Jin and Altemps' bust of the Greek god Zeus. They share similar face traits, according to a neural network algorithm.

Source: https://latestnews.fresherslive.com/articles/top-male-god-beauty-of-the-world-know-who-was-crowned-the-top-male-god-beauty-of-the-world-262711

Influence

Weverse/Billboard has talked about Jin’s Virality leading to the phenomenon of “stan attraction“

BTS member Jin drew significant attention from viewers as the 'third one from the left' when the group made their first appearance on the BBMAs red carpet, which then quickly spread across social media.

Billboard selected it as their meme of the year in 2017. Stating “the third one from the left.” The meme quickly took off, only increasing the group’s social presence and pushing them toward “household name” status in America—all thanks to the third guy from the left.“

Source: https://magazine.weverse.io/article/view?lang=en&num=203

Billboard https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/best-music-memes-2017-childish-gambino-travis-scott-8077755/

Car door guy was Jin’s first nickname after causing a viral moment in 2015 at the melon music awards . He has acknowledged that name at a concert and introduced himself as such.

Artistry/ influence

The origin of the nickname “worldwide handsome“

After Jin became a viral sensation of twitter as the “third member from the left”, he was continuously asked about his virality and the rising topic on twitter but he had no idea, at first. When he was later asked at the billboard conference, he answered eloquently that he’s “worldwide handsome” because/since he recognized that beauty standards around the world aren’t as apart from each other as he thought. He was considered beautiful in South Korea and the US.

Source : on YouTube under [ENG SUB] BTS @ BBMAs Press

Conference 170529 Part 1

Lee Kyung Gyu said he wants Jin in the "Gyu-line". He thinks of Jin as a very memorable person since they did a variety show together once in “Let's eat together“

Guy line- a line" centered around most renowned comedian and tv/entertainment personalities.

Lee Kyung Kyu is known as the Godfather of the Entertainment Industry in South Korea. He is an actor and filmmaker that has expressed the desire to cast Jin in a movie.

http://m.cine21.com/news/view/?mag_id=97859

Translated by

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2021/06/k-media-reports-about-lee-kyung-kyu-wanting-to-cast-btss-jin-in-his-movies

Jin mced for

Kbs song festival 2017

Music Bank MC ep 932 2018

Kbs gayo Daechukje 2018

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Usereditksj (talk • contribs) 21:32, February 6, 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Where Jin grew up - Gwacheon

Hello! I know Jin was born in Anyang, but can we add that he grew up in Gwacheon? I submitted this request before and it was brushed aside however, I am bringing it up again as I watched a YouTube video from a relatively large creator who incorrectly stated Jin grew in up in Anyang.

During his "Running Man" appearance, Jin himself said he moved shortly after being born in Anyang and does not remember it. I think it is a disservice to not add Gwacheon to his page.

Thank you! 2607:FEA8:33A0:D400:707F:2653:4A38:9 (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

You'd need to provide a reliable secondary source that clearly states he grew up in Gwacheon. SCMP, for eg., only says that he is from Gwacheon), but provides no further explanation or details. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: move. CCC. (non-admin closure) voorts (talk/contributions) 15:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Kim Seok-jin → Jin (singer) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, precedent from other members of BTS. No demonstrated WP:N under current article title. Seungri400 (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - This was last discussed here Talk:Kim_Seok-jin/Archive_1#Requested_move_19_August_2019 and the same concerns remain. I don't think Jin (singer) is enough to disambiguate from other singers with this stage name. Evaders99 (talk) 04:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

  I agree, especially since Seokjin has other business endeavors besides being a singer. He's a restaurant co-owner and establishing a brewery. Having his wiki page under "Kim Seokjin" seems appropriate to highlight all these different professional avenues. 2607:FEA8:33A0:D400:ECFD:6FB0:4AF7:AC52 (talk) 12:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Jin is his official stage name. His official artist profiles also refer to him as Jin. Examples: Official website: [23] Spotify: [24] Other articles that are disambiguated as Jin use it as a surname, Astro's Jin Jin doesn't use the singular name. Jin is the only notable person that qualifies to be distinguished as a singer. Refer to this list of people with the name Jin: [25] Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 06:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. 52-whalien (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom (and per DanielleTH's cmmts in the archived discussion, which I also agree with). --

Carlobunnie (talk) 18:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, he is well known as Jin not by his real name Kim Seok-jin. Lightoil (talk) 13:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom (also agree with DanielleTH's comments). It doesn't matter if he has other business endeavors; he is mainly known for being a singer. The average person googling BTS members will look up Jin, not his actual name. - Ïvana (talk) 15:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Support and agreed with this.

  toobigtokale (talk) 19:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom Gamowebbed (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

The song "The Astronaut" has not been linked to the original song page in some places, first in the military service para and then in the Circle Chart Music Awards. Sav1086 (talk) 12:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: It should only be linked the first time it is mentioned in the lead and in the body. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Solo activities – Collaboration with Ottogi

Please add Jin’s Collaboration with Ottogi.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/news-bts-jin-fulfils-one-biggest-wishes-ottogi-s-ramen-brand-name ElfZiry (talk) 06:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Global revision: Change from “Kim” to “Jin”

Could we make a global revision and refer to Jin as “Jin” rather than “Kim”?

First, “Jin” is how he’s known as a BTS member. While the stage names of other BTS members are used in their respective wiki pages, “Jin” is a more appropriate option for the sake of coherence.

Second, “Jin”, “Seokjin”, and “Kim Seokjin” – but rarely just “Kim”, if ever – are how he’s addressed officially by his music label, by the media both foreign and local, by his fans, and in his own introduction in various appearances.

Also, using “Jin” helps avoid misunderstanding because two other members also share the same surname “Kim”. ElfZiry (talk) 05:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Read Frequently asked questions (FAQ) above. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

The other BTS members all have their stage names as the title for their page, could we change Jin’s page title from “Kim Seok-jin” to “Jin”, for the sake of coherence?

By doing so, we can then make a global change from “Kim” to “Jin”, which is a better option for the reasons cited above, in the original question. ElfZiry (talk) 06:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@ElfZiry Not sure if you read the FAQ above, but I will linked it here again in case you didn't actually read it or couldn't find it. The FAQ already answered your queries. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I had only read FAQ (A2) before I made my previous reply. Thanks for pointing me to the full FAQ section, where (A1) has answered my question. ElfZiry (talk) 06:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@ElfZiry No worries. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. ElfZiry (talk) 09:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Photo

Could you add a newer and nicer photo of him, please? There are so many photos of him from the Astronaut promo and his photofolio. Looks like you didn't even put effort in searching. And refer to him as Jin under the photo because is his stage name. Thanks 181.94.233.126 (talk) 16:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)