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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Darkstalkers 3 → Vampire Savior – Vampire Savior is the name of the original arcade release worldwide (yes, including Western countries). Darkstalkers 3 is the name for the PlayStation port in Western countries, which came a year later, and features different characters. The main topic of this page is the original arcade game, with its derivatives (Vampire Hunter 2, Vampire Savior 2, and Darkstalkers 3) discussed in the Release section. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 16:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 20:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 23:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Darkstalkers 3" seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME in the West. It's fairly likely that many more people have played it in its "Darkstalkers 3" home console incarnation than its "Vampire Savior" arcade version outside of Japan, and since this is English Wikipedia, it should default to what English-speakers are most likely to call it. A vast amount of Japanese games are localized a year or more after their Japanese release; but they still aren't called by their original names on Wikipedia. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Even if we start from the simplifying assumption that "Vampire Savior" and "Darkstalkers 3" are just two names for the same thing, I'm not convinced that the latter would be the WP:COMMONNAME. "Vampire Savior" seems to get significantly more hits on Google News, for example (here is an example of a publication using this name). Taking nominator's explanation of the history and significance of the two names into account makes the case for the move even stronger. Colin M (talk) 21:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am still not convinced, as the Kotaku article you mentioned specifically notes that "the series is known as Darkstalkers outside Japan" and also says "Vampire Savior (aka Darkstalkers 3)". It is clearly noting that is the Western name for it and is only using the Japanese name as the tournament chose to use it on account of playing the arcade version. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:45, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Video games has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 20:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It is originally an arcade game called Vampire Savior. Should the article on Pikmin 3 be called Pikmin 3 Deluxe, because it sold better? Sultan the Sultan (talk) 04:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The game was officially known as Darkstalkers 3 in the West, should we rename Street Fighter Alpha 3 to Street Fighter Zero 3 because it was known as Zero 3 in Japan? Should we also rename Super Smash Bros. Brawl to Super Smash Bros. X because that's what its Japanese title is known as? Furthermore, the change violates WP:COMMONNAME as most people in the west generally refer to it as Darkstalkers 3 rather than Vampire Savior. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Saying that the main topic is the arcade game isn't entirely accurate. The article naturally starts from there as the original iteration; however, the most of the sources used in the reception section are reviewing some variation of a "Darkstalkers" title variant (including a localized arcade review using Darks Stalkers: Jedah's Damnation). Additionally, keeping this page with a Darkstalkers title is WP:CONSISTENT with other titles in the series seen in the navbox or Category:Darkstalkers video games and Category:Darkstalkers, all of which also have a "Vampire ___" title in Japan. -2pou (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Common Name

The name "Vampire Savior" is definitely the common name for this game in English in the current times. Though maybe that's obvious already, since a simple Google search comparison can show that. But I want to add, the reason for this is because the fighting game community overwhelmingly refers to the game as only "Vampire Savior", and they are the people who continue to promote the game and showcase it to new people. Though I don't know Wikipedia's rules on using official translated names for a region, since they did try to market the enhanced PlayStation version as "Darkstalkers 3". (Humorously, despite there never having been a "Darkstalkers 2".) But I do know that the same exact thing happened with "Garou: Mark of the Wolves", despite being called "Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves" in the English Dreamcast release. And yet Wikipedia here also chooses the "Garou" name regardless of the fact that the official release said something different, that old reviews said something different, and that "Fatal Fury" is a much more recognizable name overall.

Also, the series owner, Capcom themselves, has this game in their latest fighting game compilation, "Capcom Fighting Collection". And there, it is called "Vampire Savior". Even when the ROM version is set to English, the collection will show the games "Darkstalkers", "Night Warriors", and "Vampire Savior". Obviously because these are based on the official English arcade versions, but still, this is the game in question. It is called Vampire Savior. And it has also gotten additional future remakes under other names. But in practice, the only time people say "Darkstalkers 3" is when specifically referring to the PSX release, or when explaining the game's lineage to a neophyte. The PlayStation port is simply too old now to be the dominant way the game is remembered, and I'm pretty sure that game didn't even sell well in its heyday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.198.6.167 (talk) 10:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Google search comparisons don't show anything, since results counts are largely randomized. They are especially meaningless in this particular case, since "vampire" and "savior" are both common words that are going to bring in millions of unrelated results. As for its listing on "Capcom Fighting Collection", we don't move a work's article every time it gets released under a different title, for obvious reasons. Martin IIIa (talk) 02:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]