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On 8 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Chengdu GJ-2. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Redirecting to Chengdu GJ-2

GJ-2 is the formal designation for Chinese Liberation Army while the Wing Loong is only a name for export. The redirecting completely follows the Wiki Aircraft Naming Convention just like any other Chinese military aircraft(for example Shenyang J-11 or Chengdu J-20 or Guizhou WZ-7). Infinty 0 (talk) 05:54, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CAIG Wing Loong II → Chengdu GJ-2 – Wing Loong is name for export given by the manufacturer Chengdu while GJ-2 is a formal designation by Chinese People's Liberation Army. Using Chinese military designation is naming convention on Wikipedia for every Chinese military aircraft articles. For example Chengdu J-10, J-10 is the formal designation while FC-10 is the export name. Same as Xi'an JH-7 and its export name FBC-1, Chengdu J-7 and its export name F-7. Also the manufacture "Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group" is usually called "Chengdu" instead of "CAIG" in Chinese military aircraft articles as convention. Infinty 0 (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I suggest moving it to Wing Loong II, which is the common name (used in the majority of the sources). M.Bitton (talk) 00:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Using Chinese military designation prioritizing over manufacturer export name is a convention on Wikipedia for Chinese military aircraft articles. Changing the naming convention in this particular article may break the consistency and cause chaos in other Chinese military aircraft articles in the future. The "Wing Loong-2" can be mentioned in the introduction of the article as compromise. Infinty 0 (talk) 01:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is this "convention" documented somewhere? M.Bitton (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This convention is applied in every Chinese military aircraft and other military equipment article in Wiki at present. Infinty 0 (talk) 01:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see no evidence of such convention and, therefore, no valid reason to ignore the common name policy. M.Bitton (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I already give the examples, you can check the articles respectively. "Chengdu J-10 is the formal designation while FC-10 is the export name. Same as Xi'an JH-7 and its export name FBC-1, Chengdu J-7 and its export name F-7. Also the manufacture "Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group" is usually called "Chengdu" instead of "CAIG" in Chinese military aircraft articles as convention. "

And I can give more, Shenyang J-8II and its export name F-8B, Nanchang Q-5 and its export name A-5.

Did I make it clear? Infinty 0 (talk) 01:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The huge majority of English-language sources use the names "Wing Loong II" or "Wing Loong 2". Several of the examples given by Infinty as evidence of some kind of article naming convention are moot: the JH-7 and J-8 weren't exported, and I don't remember seeing the "FC-10" designation floating around these days. When the J-10 was first exported to Pakistan, the most commonly used designation was "J-10CE". At any rate, per WP:NCAIRCRAFT, the article's name should consist of the manufacturer's name (CAIG or Chengdu; I have a slight preference for the first one, but the other is fine too), manufacturer's or military designation (no manufacturer alphanumeric designation known; military designation GJ-2), and a name (Wing Loong II is literally written on the presentation aircraft, so it should be used, and not "Wing Loong 2", "Wing Loong-II" or whatever else). Based on this convention, the article's name should hence be "CAIG GJ-2 Wing Loong II", or "Chengdu GJ-2 Wing Loong II". Nobody uses this entire designation though: again per NCAIRCRAFT, "In some cases the type may not have a designation or name, or inclusion of all these elements would not meet the common name policy." Which says: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". And that is Wing Loong II, not GJ-2. The current article name should be kept. BilletsMauves^€500 20:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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