Talk:Andrea Kimi Antonelli
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Requested move 3 September 2024
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Andrea Kimi Antonelli → Kimi Antonelli – WP:COMMONNAME. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support on the basis of a more concise title.
- His name is Andrea Kimi Antonelli so call him by his name FerrariFan77 (talk) 15:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- And Fernando Alonso's name is "Fernando Alonso Díaz". But that isnt the article title because article titles are based on WP:COMMONNAME over official name. SSSB (talk) 18:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Andrea is his first name. Kimi is his middle name. Fernando is not relevant to this as taking out the Diaz from his last name means we still using his name. But with Antonelli his first name is Andrea so we should use Andrea Kimi Antonelli FerrariFan77 (talk) 21:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia use WP:COMMONNAME, rather than WP:OFFICIALNAME. It doesn't matter what is his first/middle/last name. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Andrea is his first name. Kimi is his middle name. Fernando is not relevant to this as taking out the Diaz from his last name means we still using his name. But with Antonelli his first name is Andrea so we should use Andrea Kimi Antonelli FerrariFan77 (talk) 21:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- And Fernando Alonso's name is "Fernando Alonso Díaz". But that isnt the article title because article titles are based on WP:COMMONNAME over official name. SSSB (talk) 18:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, it's clear that this is his preferred name and most sources, including Mercedes, now refer to him as Kimi Antonelli. It's also more concise without introducing any ambiguity. Jestal50 (talk) 16:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)16:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as WP:COMMONNAME. I had planned to start a RM for this, so wholly support this request. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do not support, Andrea is his name and, whilst he is popularly referred to as Kimi, all series he races in have him named clearly as "Andrea Kimi Antonelli" on official media and TV graphics. Stating "commonly known as" in the introduction covers this base, in my opinion. Could become confusing for viewers looking for more information if they cannot find an "Andrea Kimi". Mb2437 (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's unlikely that viewers will be confused as Andrea Kimi Antonelli will redirect to Kimi Antonelli and the first sentence of the article doesn't need to change. SSSB (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Things might change in F1 but it's ultimately too soon. He's always been referred to as "Andrea Kimi Antonelli" in feeder series, and "Kimi" for short. I've rarely seen the combination "Kimi Antonelli" used until he got announced for F1 ([1], [2]). Most media, both specialised and general-interest, still goes for the full name as his WP:COMMONNAME: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]. He goes by his full name on social media and is also listed as that on his Mercedes, Prema and F2 profiles. Interestingly, even the F1 website (which now seemingly favours the shorter option) went for his full name as recently as May, which hints at a will to change the trend. Like I said: too soon. MSport1005 (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. And I'd like to bring up some counterexamples of this: Zhou Guanyu and Jak Crawford. Before his F1 signing, he was known as Guanyu Zhou until he clarified he wanted to be known as his two names swapped around, and the F1 media referred to him as such. Antonelli goes by Kimi, but he has "Andrea Kimi Antonelli" on his socials and that's the name on the timing documents. As for Crawford, a fellow F2 driver, his full name is Carlton Jakston Crawford, but only one source states this and his socials are all Jak Crawford. So I believe that if we were to move the page to simply "Kimi Antonelli," first we would have to see if Antonelli himself changes this.DualSkream (talk), 12:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with this; with both Crawford and Zhou, their names are clearly given as such on timing documents and TV graphics. Same with Lance Stroll, as opposed to Lance Strulovitch. All article names seemingly follow this convention. This could very well change with Antonelli come next season but, until it does, I believe that should be the defining factor and this matter be tabled at a later date. Mb2437 (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Motorsport and WikiProject Formula One have been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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