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On 7 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran to 2023 attack on the Azerbaijani embassy in Tehran. The result of the discussion was moved.

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 08:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"In September 2022, the Azerbaijani Embassy in Paris was attacked by a group of Armenian radicals, who tried to break into the embassy building."

The above text in the article is rather extreme, given it was a protest where they threw eggs. Not helped by the source being a state-run Turkish news agency (Anadolu Agency). I also fail to see much relevance between a Armenian protest and the armed attack in Iran. I would say it is best to remove it. Sadader (talk) 06:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No direct connection to the Tehran attack is supposed to be, it's part of the Background section, where other attacks are mentioned. But I've swapped "radicals" to neutral word, "protesters". Brandmeister^talk 08:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The perpetrator's name and his wife

Some of the news agencies in Iran have published a photo of the perpetrator's ID card that his (former)wife's name can also be read . The perpetrator claims he was studying law in one of the Baku universities 25 years ago and married his wife in that period . I want to ask if it is not against Wikipedia's role to mention his and/or her wife in the article and post a link to the photo of his ID card or not ? Because of her missing story has a central place in the whole picture , is it suitable to mention the names ? Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be governed by WP:PERPETRATOR where we should wait until conviction by court (if any). Probably because of that someone removed his earlier mention in the article. Brandmeister^talk 11:24, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding background section

I have deleted the reference to the attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Paris by a group of Armenians in the background section. I did this as I believe that listing attacks in other countries doesn’t really serve as a background for the current attack in Tehran. In line with this, I also suggest removing references to events in London and Washington. A separate user has already raised valid concerns about the part about the Armenians, which have not been truly addressed. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The background section describes all recent attacks on Azerbaijani embassies. I think this information is relevant to the topic of the article, as it shows that this attack was the latest in the chain of similar incidents around the world, even if they were unrelated to each other. Grandmaster 09:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grandmaster: Adding eggs thrown by Armenian protesters in Paris as a background to an article (published by Turkish state-run "Anadolu" - unreliable source for international politics) about shooting and murder by an Iranian in Tehran is a very long stretch, with no cyclopaedic value whatsoever, the third party reviewer called it "extreme". It does not make sense to describe all the attacks on Azerbaijani embassies as a background for an attack in a given city of a given country, either, it may mislead the reader to think that there is some unifying conspiracy against Azerbaijani embassies. The link you inserted to this synthetic Background section - https://www.mfa.gov.az/en/news/no47822 promotes one such view by Azerbaijan's Foreign Office actually, why would you write a Background section for an attack in Tehran by an Iranian with a reference that uses the word terror/terrorism regarding the Armenians 4 times within 2 sentences? "We remind that Armenia, after declaring independence in 1991, in order to realize its territorial claims against Azerbaijan, turned terrorism into means of state policy, and in the process of occupying the territories of Azerbaijan, widely used terrorist means in different parts of our country, as well as committed terrorist acts in the city of Baku. As it is well-known, 24 Turkish diplomats working in different countries of the world became targets of Armenian terrorism." KhndzorUtogh (talk) 13:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They did not just throw eggs, they actually broke the door and tried to get into the embassy. It was a very dangerous situation that led to an official note and France's apology. The background section mentions all recent attacks, regardless of the motive. It does not say or imply there is a conspiracy, as attacks were perpetrated by different groups which had different motives. Grandmaster 09:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see even elements of consensus in reliable sources that the attacks currently or previously mentioned in the background section have even remote relation to the current attack in Tehran hence mentioning them here in Background constitutes original research. The background section of an article about an event should be all about the background developments that led to the current event, not collection of unrelated events. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, cherry-picking and removing one incident when the section is intended for all attacks on Azerbaijani missions worldwide is rather POVish and a WP:BALANCE breach. Either we have a full-fledged and balanced background section or none at all in the article. Brandmeister^talk 11:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brandmeister, if by "full-fledged and balanced background section" you mean the current compilation of entirely unrelated and badly sourced events then it should not have been created in the first place. And I do not understand where the accusatory tone is coming from - I opened this discussion proposing to delete the whole Background section, have you noticed? Why you would turn my appropriate removal of Grandmaster's clearly undue addition into an accusatory evidence against me in AA3, calling it "reckless editing" is beyond my understanding. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The selectively removed material concerning the attack on the Azerbaijani embassy in Paris, as well as all other attacks described currently are perfectly due and relevant, since the background section briefly covers past attacks on the Azerbaijani embassies. The attack did not stop with the "egg throw"; it is evident from the camera footage that the attackers attempted to knock down the embassy's door using metal barrier as a ram and break in.

Moreover, press release from the governmental bodies of the Republic of Azerbaijan, such as Ministry of Foreign Affairs[1], is a perfectly fine source to support attributed information such as Foreign Affairs summoned the chargé d'affaires of the United States, asking to ensure the security of the Azerbaijani diplomatic mission.. Here is the precedent from the RSN, which confirmed that the governmental body of the Republic of Azerbaijan is reliable to reflect governmental position with proper attribution. @Brandmeister@Grandmaster@ZaniGiovanni A b r v a g l^(PingMe) 10:54, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can provide a consensus reliable source that the attacks (current or previous) have any relation to the current attack in Tehran, mentioning them in the background constitutes WP:OR. The background section is for developments that have a strong due weight for leading to the article subject, not a collection of unrelated events.The RSN thread you showed is for a completely different article and context, and it doesn't even have a clear consensus, let alone for being "a perfectly fine source". A WP:PRIMARY source such as MFA.gov.az which claims "Armenian terrorism" about an attack in Tehran by an Iranian does not have enough due weight to belong on Wikipedia. --Dallavid (talk) 15:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Mission to the OSCE mentions previous attacks: We note that Azerbaijani missions in several other countries have also experienced security issues in recent months. [2] Grandmaster 09:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I opened the link. The OSCE does not mention any specific events and the statement is only to reiterate on the safety of all diplomatic missions. The Background section of this article should be about the background of the current event – the perpetrator's background, motive, etc. The rest is stretching imagination and original research. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 7 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 06:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran → 2023 attack on the Azerbaijani embassy in Tehran – For consistency's sake with other articles on embassy attacks, which nearly all include the year and embassy in lowercase. (@Casablanca Rock: thanks for that! Have no idea how I got the year wrong initially.) ZionniThePeruser (talk) 04:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:NCE, which calls for the year to be featured in the title in the majority of cases. Embassy attacks are not uncommon and this one will likely not keep WP:SUSTAINED coverage that would warrant removing the year. Pilaz (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think that if it is moved, it should be the 2023 attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran instead as the event happened in 2023. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 19:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the proposal from Casablanca_Rock. Cfls (talk) 01:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.