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WikiGap Tanzanian women (Draft:Mercy Nelwas)

I heard from Eric Luth (WMSE) that some women's biographies were created at a m:WikiGap editathon in Tanzania, but none of the articles survived. The below list was provided by the editathon organizer with no links. I've added links, but maybe the articles were created in draft space (e.g. see example for Mercy Nelwas)? Questions or comments, please ping Eric as WikiGap is his project. P.S. This might be of interest to you, too, @Islahaddow and Anthere, as regarding m:Wiki Loves Women. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Women Tanzania(2)/Orodha--Ipigott (talk) 11:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Many of these are on the Swahili wiki but most would not be considered notable by our English reviewers. The main problem is that most of the sources are in Swahili and are not easily recognizable as secondary sources. Perhaps with the help of Google translate (which works quite well for Swahili) some of them can be added, particularly those with sources in English. As far as I can see, only Martha Nghambi, Joyce Kiria and Geline Fuko were previously added and deleted for lack for secondary sources. Drafts have also been deleted.--Ipigott (talk) 12:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Thanks a lot. This is very helpful, Ipigott. Do you mean that they are not notable because of lack of secondary sources in English, or because lack of notability in spite of the existing sources? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 14:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Eric Luth (WMSE): Both — but frequently because our reviewers cannot normally find the sources in Swahili and even if they do they cannot understand them. Those who use Google in Tanzania can see the Swahili sources clearly displayed among the most important items on the first page of results but those living in the English-speaking world do not normally see them at all unless they search in the Swahili language. This is a general problem for sources in all foreign languages, even Spanish, French and German, but it is particularly severe for the less common languages. It is something of a chicken and egg problem as notable figures who are not sufficiently well covered in English language sources are not acceptable on the English Wikipedia or in English-language publications, and they are not mentioned in English-language publications if they do not have a biography in the English Wikipedia. Even when organizations like the BBC point to the 100 most deserving women of the year, our reviewers frequently call for deletion as they cannot find good secondary sources on their Google searches. That said, many of those listed above are not yet sufficiently well established, even as demonstrated by the sources in Swahili, to reach the minimum criteria for basic notability on the EN wiki. As time permits, I'll try to take a closer look at them to see which of them can be "saved". Maybe you can take a more careful look too.--Ipigott (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
As a footnote, you actually experience the same phenomenon when you make Google searches in Swedish. You see lots of Swedish-language results which would not normally turn up in English-language searches. As my wife is Danish, I spend quite a lot of my Wikipedia time writing about Danes, especially Danish women. For this I have two versions of Google, the Danish and the English. That helps quite a bit. Here in Luxembourg, I can also differentiate between the Luxembourg Google and the international English Google. Someone should do a doctorate thesis on all this!--Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
This is very helpful, Ipigott! I will spend some time looking through the different pages and sites you provided. The local organizers felt, I think, a bit discouraged, not because of the deletions in themselves, but because they didn't understand why or what they did wrong. So this feedback is extremely helpful. I can read some (very basic) swahili, so I will try to explore the sources and make some kind of judgment myself. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Re "someone should do a doctorate thesis on all this", Mark Graham at the Oxford Internet Institute has pursued this kind of question with various collaborators: see e.g. this paper Dsp13 (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Dsp13: A very interesting analysis but it unfortunately fails to cover searches in languages other than English in any detail. The cases we are examining here, namely Google searches in Tanzania in Swahili on the local default version of Google for information about people from Tanzania as compared to searches in English on the default U.S. version on the same names is not taken into consideration. From my own experience, I can confirm that very different sets of results can be expected. To some extent, it may be possible to "copy" the Tanzanian Swahili search engine for users in the United States but I am not at all sure it would work as well as in Tanzania on displaying links to Swahili-language resources. As Wikimedia is currently keen on expanding the encyclopaedia to Africa and Asia, it might well be worthwhile examining all this in more detail.--Ipigott (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry if the link I found wasn't absolutely pertinent - I didn't reread it. That group has sometimes considered the effect of search language (e.g. Arabic vs Hebrew local search results in Jerusalem), but there is clearly more than one factor which can be varied here. I absolutely agree with everything you say: Google is often effectively an invisible filter. It can reinforce existing geographical and linguistic power imbalances without people being aware that this is happening. Dsp13 (talk) 11:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we should give into this that the sources of articles on enwiki need to be in English. There is no such rule, no matter what the people deleting articles say about it. This is one reason that I perversely refuse to use English sources if the information can be sourced in any other language. Usually if enough of them (>20) are added to a single article, they leave the article alone. We should also take it upon ourselves to clearly state in each deletion discussion that the results Google gives depends on the language and country you're searching in to drive that point home. -Yupik (talk) 22:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree, that is absolutely not correct. I have quite a few GA/FA and FLs that are primarily sourced by Spanish language sources and it has never been a problem. Google translate will help anyone read a source. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, foreign language sources are permitted on en.wiki. Many of us do translations from other language wikis to en.wiki and we use the foreign language sources (after we review them). See: Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight#... but it's not perfect. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I've also used numerous non-English-language sources over the years in my editing career. The notion that otherwise should be the case is...foolish, at best, to say the least. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

A bit sadly, I now recommend to create the biographies in the local language only + on wikidata. This is easier for the writers, less disheartening when the work is deleted and... getting ready for the time it will be accepted in English (or in French, same issue) with having relevant structured data available for immediate use. With regards to what Ipigott says... I confirm that I use 3 browsers on purpose (safari default, firefox and chrome) and set up different parameters on each (language and geographical area of focus) to expand my chance to see info. Anthere (talk)

Anthere: That is indeed rather a sad conclusion. Unfortunately, the records on Wikidata for articles written in the African languages are often skeletal and do not offer much help to those of us keen to write biographies in English. I was wondering whether you and your colleagues could bring to our attention the names of those who have a fair chance of survival in English or French if their biographies are created by more experienced editors. There is an urgent need to bring many of these inspiring women to the attention of the western world. We could make this part of Women in Red's next focus on black women or on the countries of Africa. Perhaps we could also work together on crowd-sourced redlists.--Ipigott (talk) 07:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, good idea. Right now, I am deep into Wiki Loves Africa and WikiChallenge. But asap my head gets out of the water... I will be on it. I'll share something on this page as well next week :) Secret for now. Anthere (talk)

Draft:Delaram Kahrobaei

This draft for the computer scientist Draft:Delaram Kahrobaei was mentioned at the Teahouse. It lacks secondary sourcing, and I could not find any. I am wondering if WP:PROF applies. If anyone on these board can assess that would be terrific.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I was able to find this to help a little: [1] SilverserenC 17:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Sigh. This draft turned out to be a paid editing job, from Upwork. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
COI warning duly left on the user's talk page. Ho hum. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I think she might be borderline notable under WP:PROF. I asked David Eppstein to assess it. The COI thing is just a bummer. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Number of library holdings

A few of us, including @Gamaliel and Merrilee, and others, have been talking about "Number of library holdings" as a possible area of interest for Women in Red in the context of an additional column on a WiR Wikidata redlist. Here's an example of what that column would look like: User:Gamaliel/worldcattest. I've been bold and added the column to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Activists redlist but because there are >3,000 names on this list, I can't get it to automatically update, so we'll have to wait, maybe overnight, for that to happen. Once the column does show up, let's discuss (pinging our Librarian-in-Residence, Megalibrarygirl). For example, maybe it would benefit some Wikidata redlists, e.g. writers, academics, but not others. In any case, we should be aware that someone would have to add the "WorldCat Identities ID" and the quantity (number of library holdings) into each item, e.g. in order to populate the new column on the Wikidata redlist. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep that is awesome, looks like it's loaded now! I didn't realize that wikidata had brought in number of library holdings from worldcat. I have a bias towards writers, and it's potentially fantastic for that. At the moment it exposes some bad data, e.g. a French politician https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3104182 linking to the Worldcat page for Strabo, but that's a problem it's good to have visibility on. Dsp13 (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I love this, Rosiestep! I think there's a way to force the update. Maybe Tagishsimon know how to do that. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I've tweaked the report SPARQL a little (diff), but Listeria doesn't seem happy tonight so anticipate no update in the short-term. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Tagishsimon; your tweak made the update happen! Glad you like the idea, @Dsp13 and Megalibrarygirl! Some clarifications regarding how this was done, e.g. nothing very automatic about it.
  1. An OCLC librarian did the research in WorldCat regarding every woman named on the Women in Red Activist Wikidata redlist.
  2. They put the info they found (the woman's Worldcat Authority ID and the number of library holdings for each woman) into a google spreadsheet.
  3. Another editor imported the info from the google spreadsheet into each woman's Wikidata item using OpenRefine.
Indeed, a lot of work. But, if we decide that this information is valuable to us, someone can work on automating the process. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Editor #3 here. Glad to see such a positive reception for our experiment. Like Rosie said, I imagine someone can automate this eventually. I'm curious if we can put this to use, if people will want to target articles based on this metric, or will want to use the WorldCat Identities page to find sources. Gamaliel (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gamaliel: 'Quantity' as a pq: for an ID is a bit ambiguous ... possibly needs a unit? --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@Tagishsimon: Agreed, it's not perfect. We just threw it together yesterday, so we're very open to ideas on how to improve it. Gamaliel (talk) 02:10, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gamaliel: I guess an item "library holdings" which is a subclass of unit of measure might work as the unit? In general, the use of qualifiers to represent info found in IDs is IMO an excellent idea. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@Tagishsimon: Or maybe just "volumes"? Gamaliel (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Spoke too soon. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Activists is now updated. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

First fruit: Nina Gourfinkel. Dsp13 (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Excellent work, Rosiestep and your OCLC collaborators. This is certainly an interesting development, clearly highlighting many of those who deserve biographies. We should nevertheless be careful. Worldcat is very good at listing library holdings in the countries of the western world but I have noticed serious gaps in its coverage of writers in other languages, especially those in the "poorer" African and Asian countries. We need to be careful that we do no skew our creation of biographies into developing even more attention to figures who are already well known to western culture to the detriment of those elsewhere. In the list of activists, a search on "writers" shows that there are many with zero library holdings, including nearly all of those from developing countries. That said, as the vast majority of new articles on Wikipedia continue to target people from the leading countries of the English-speaking world, it's certainly a very useful additional item to have on pertinent redlists.--Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree that measures can easily bake in implicit judgments about geographical focus. I don't know if Worldcat is better or worse than other easily available 'popularity' measures in this regard. Perhaps 'number of libraries' or 'number of languages' rather than 'number of holdings' would encourage global reach, rather than concentration in a single rich country. But that wouldn't necessarily help make the 'periphery' more visible.Dsp13 (talk) 10:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
No question WorldCat has some serious gaps. I don't think anyone's suggesting we use it as a sole metric, just one in our general toolbox. I should also note that a "zero" in that list does not necessarily mean they have no holdings in WorldCat, in most cases it means that the holdings number from WorldCat has yet to be added to Wikidata. We're inventing this process as we go along, it will get better. Gamaliel (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, there has certainly been tremendous progress in recent years. When I was involved in all this back in the 1990s, OCLC was doing all the work. Now access has been opened up to libraries and other sources, including Wikimedia/Wikidata. Nevertheless, these statistics reflect the strong language bias, not to mention the library bias which is certainly even worse for the third world. If you search for libraries in African countries, there are very few public libraries where you could expect to find novels and popular literature. For most countries, only academic libraries are listed. See, for example, Rwanda, where there are six. Surprisingly, for Burundi there are none at all.--Ipigott (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Back in 2014, after establishing WP:WikiProject Women writers, a few of us, including @Ser Amantio di Nicolao and Dr. Blofeld, me, and others created categories such as "(Foo country) women novelists". When we discovered that there were -0- articles in that category, e.g. all the novelists' articles for that country were men's biographies, we focused our attention on creating women novelist biographies for that country to populate the category. While we mainly did so because we enjoy filling gaps, some of this was also driven by academics who wrote in various channels saying, "I like what you're doing; don't stop.". I think this new column could have that same affect, e.g. editors might want to specifically create articles on women who have few/no works in libraries vs. women who are well-represented in libraries. Once we have a better grasp on this, perhaps a few months down the road, we might decide to do an event focusing on under-represented women in libraries, e.g. women with <500 library holdings, or something like that. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
That would be an excellent idea. Over the past couple of years, I have written articles on quite a few women writers, historians, journalists, etc., from the third world, some of whom have been quite productive in their own languages. Even through I have added authority control to their biographies, quite frequently nothing comes up. I'm not very good at adding items to Wikidata but perhaps we could all work together on filling the gaps and encouraging librarians to report on their holdings of books in the local languages. I also look forward to the day when the number of books in Luxembourgish will appear in the OCLC statistics.--Ipigott (talk) 22:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Florence Anderson

I am quite surprised at how little information there is about Florence Anderson! Can anyone help here? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 17:04, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Deleted articles on black African women

As we still have a few days to work on black women, it might be worthwhile to try to cover some of those whose articles have recently been deleted. I have already covered the prolific Burundian writer and women's rights activist Marie-Louise Sibazuri and the Cape Verdean politician Isaura Gomes. But as there are quite a few more, I thought I would mention them here in the hope that others might pick them up.

That should do for now.--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Alerting Shanluan who may may wish to provide additional deleted or draft articles that need attention. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
@The Anome: If you're interested, these Chad women redlinks are part of the Dictionary of African Biography. I know you have a redlist on some of the women featured there. That's the reason why I made Joyce Mpanga ;) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Just covered Grace Kodindo.--Ipigott (talk) 09:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Just added a Listeria list for the Dictionary: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/DAfB. Gamaliel (talk) 18:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

"Balancing arguments - Gender and the #Wikimedia projects"

This article, which mentions Women in Red, may interest some of you: "Balancing arguments - Gender and the #Wikimedia projects" (posted by GerardM on 27 Feb 2020). --Rosiestep (talk) 15:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

To the extent we can understand what he's talking about ("One more fine lady makes a statistical difference") he's railing against an argument that the gender property in Wikidata /must/ be supported by a source. Whilst Wikidata prefers sources for all of its data, no-one I've seen has suggested gender refs should be mandatory nor that refless gender statements should be deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
@Tagishsimon: there is actually an open proposal concerning that very matter: d:Property talk:P21#Constraints on citation – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:15, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I see the report of the addition of a constraint, yes. Nothing much more. But it's good to know what set him off; thx. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nom of a new aviation bio

Adding nom template here per suggestion above to get more: Kingsif (talk) 01:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


"The Incredible Invisible Woman"

There's a great article by Megalibrarygirl in today's The Signpost entitled "The Incredible Invisible Woman". --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Excellent article and a great incentive for participation in Women's History Month.--Ipigott (talk) 08:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia Lacks Profiles Of Women. These College Students Are Changing That"

Cincinnati Public Radio mentions us in a new article, "Wikipedia Lacks Profiles Of Women. These College Students Are Changing That".--Rosiestep (talk) 21:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Jerilyn Gillenwater (QuakerSquirrel) and her friends at Earlham College have certainly been making some fine contributions. Her article on Joanne Berger-Sweeney looks like a good candidate for GA.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

"20 women in gaming you should know"

This came across my Facebook feed earlier this evening. Looks like there may be fodder for some investigation, though I can't be certain as gaming isn't my field. Still, I offer it up for anyone who'd like to take a look. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Most of that list seem marginal at best for our purposes (things like senior but not notable-senior figures in various companies). There are a couple of people who we might be able to scrape ones together on. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I think you might be a little too demanding, The Drover's Wife. After all, we already have reasonable biographies on about half of them (see Category:Women video game designers and Category:Women video game developers) and there are snippets in this article which offer guidance. Initial checks turn up quite a few secondary sources. I might have a go at one or two of them, just to see what happens.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Certainly pleased to be wrong about that one then. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

March 25 ZOOM edit-a-thon for 1000+ Women in Religion Wikipedia Project

In conjunction with the Parliament of the World's Religions, WikiProject 1000 Women in Religion will be facilitating a ZOOM-based editathon to support Women's History Month.

  • Date: 25 March 2020
  • Time: 12-3pm, CDT
  • Meetup page: [here]
  • Questions? Please ping Dzingle1

The event's lead organizer, user:Dzingle1, is hoping experienced editors might join one of the "virtual editathon tables". I'll be saying a few introductory words at the start of the editathon and I hope that some of you might join, too, even for a short duration. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

They are also advertising a physical editathon in New York on March 12: Wikipedia:Meetup/New York City/1000 Women in Religion 2020.--Ipigott (talk) 07:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
You can go to the Parliament of World Religions event description and registration for additional information: here --Dzingle1 (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

"Lists in the Wikimedia movement Part 3: The List Revolution: Creating dynamic lists using linked data"

Another interesting article by Astinson (WMF) regarding lists, with a mention of Women in Red (thank you!):"Lists in the Wikimedia movement Part 3: The List Revolution: Creating dynamic lists using linked data". --Rosiestep (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Francophone?

Any francophones here who would like to help with translation of the sources, especially the pdfs and any in the bibliography that have never been translated into English, at Eugenie Brazier at fr.wikipedia so I can improve Eugenie Brazier? I wanted to get it to GA, and Kudpung had offered to help, but he's retiring. I can read a little French, enough to improve a machine translation, but there's no way I can read a pdf or book. --valereee (talk) 20:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Could you please share links to the specific sources you would like translated? Looking at the notes et références section I don't see any long PDFs or links to the relevant sections of the books. I'd be happy to translate a section of a book (maybe a small section of the Mesplède book if a preview is available online), but I'm having trouble figuring out what manageable tasks there are that would be useful for you. - Astrophobe (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I think that not one of the books in the bibliography has a free preview on amazon or google books :( - Astrophobe (talk) 22:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Astrophobe, ugh, that sucks about the books, and the pdf is a bad link, and the archive doesn't have it either, and the original source of the pdf returns nothing by that title. Good grief. Well, thank you anyway! --valereee (talk) 15:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: rats, I was hoping you'd have another source. If you do find one (or ever need French or Portuguese translated for another article), please feel free to ping me, here or on my talk page! - Astrophobe (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll keep looking! :) --valereee (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I added this article, but only to confirm the already decent sourcing.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Valereee: Despite the difficulty of finding some of the sources used in the French version, the article's coming along very well and it looks to me like a suitable candidate for GA. First you need to rewrite and expand the lead, removing the references and including only items that are mentioned and sourced in the body of the article. But as you've already brought Marjorie Paxson to GA, you certainly know what's needed. Let me know if ever you need assistance with French or other European languages.--Ipigott (talk) 08:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Women in Commons...and also German

Was going through a bunch of uploads by a German user, pretty much all good quality photos. I noticed a lot of them had de.wiki articles but not en.wiki. Looks like they mostly have plenty sources available, but maybe few sources in English. So just dropping this by for anyone who might read a bit of German. GMGtalk 19:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Time's 100 Women of the Year for 100 Years

So, Time magazine just came out with essentially a backlisted format of "Woman of the Year" since the 1920's to account for the women who should have been acknowledged in the past, but weren't. I'm going to presume most of these names already exist on here, but are all of them?

Here's the list: https://time.com/100-women-of-the-year/

Anyone got a faster way to check than just going through one by one? :P SilverserenC 21:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

We have articles on all of them but this could serve as a checklist of biographies which deserve to be improved up to GA class or beyond. Taking those from the 1920s and 1930s, we could start with the suffragists Carrie Chapman Catt (B class, ORES B 4.32), Alice Paul (B class, ORES FA 5.54) and Lucy Burns (B class, ORES FA 5.07). Perhaps also the fashion designer Coco Chanel (B class, ORES FA 5.34), the choreographer Martha Graham (C class, ORES C 3.64) and the educator Maria Montessori (B class, ORES GA 4.42). As we're dealing with aviators this month, how about Amelia Earhart (B class, ORES B 4.59) and for A+F the Mexican painter Frida Kahlo (B class, ORES 5.66). I see Emmy Noether and Anna May Wong are already FA.--Ipigott (talk) 09:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:User:Cdefm/Mary Anne Cust

Hi everyone or anyone? I've been working on one of the women on the redlist: Mary Anne Cust,British writer and artist,United Kingdom, 1800-1882, Q56039489. I've discovered that she was a naturalist, scientific illustrator and author. I've managed to find information in regard to the naturalist and author parts, but I've struggled to find information on her scientific illustrator aspect. I've only found two references and one image. I've put what the references say into the section'Career/Scientific illustrator' on the draft page as a place holder. But now I'm stuck. Can anyone advise or help me find out more about her career as an illustrator? Also I would like to put up some images. It will be the first time I try this. But I'm feeling intimidated by the copyright rules for images. I've found two I'd like to put up, one of her, and one as an example of her scientific illustrations. https://assets.sutori.com/user-uploads/image/57aca206-9346-4b08-8613-e0c603c8e61c/2d385842c8c1d87f093558e48e529d19.jpeg and https://www.nhmimages.com/?service=asset&action=show_zoom_window_popup&language=en&asset=6507&location=grid&asset_list=7709,7702,7701,7700,7699,7698,7611,7620,3729,7608,7612,7613,7614,7615,7616,7617,7618,7619,7609,7621,7622,7623,7624,7625,7626,7637,7638,7639,7640,7641,7642,7643,7159,7169,7171,5087,6480,6507,5080,7271,6497,5113,5637,5597,7610,5111,5115,5112,5117,5120&basket_item_id=undefined. Can anyone advise if I can use these images or help? Cdefm (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

The fish is fine; it's public domain by reason of date of death +nn years. We lack metadata for the person image, but I imagine it is PD in so far as it must date to ~1830-40 ... date of death +70 takes us to 1950 ... unlikely the person creating the image lasted that long. The commons templates to use would (probably) be both of PD-old and PD-US-expired. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Metadata for the person image - http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/434512 - it is PD - the artist, John Cochran, was born in 1803 & can be presumed to have deceased well before 1950. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Is that a yes? Tagishsimon Shall I try adding my first image? Or is that a hold off, err on the side of caution? Cdefm (talk) 11:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
However, on further looking, the fish image has lots of watermarks because age photostock are themselves pond-life - so that might not be a goes :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
It does. But I was thinking desperate times require desperate measures. Tagishsimon. Thank you once again for all the time and effor t you put into helping me. I really do appreciate it. It may not feel like it to you sometimes, but I am learning. I'm like a sponge, abosrbing as much as I can so my skills move forward. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you've found this resource Stuttgart Illustrator database but it is an authoritative source on her being a scientific illustrator. It also lists some other sources of information on her. I hope this is of use. Ambrosia10 (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Ambrosia10. I had seen that. what I was hoping to be able to find was something that would indicate where she studied art, if at all. Her illustrations are pretty good, and if she's self taught she was a genius as far as I'm concerned. But I can't track anything about how she learned her art. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
For what it's worth the London Gazette link resolves to here [8] -- a standard notice from her executors after her death, asking any creditors to come forward, before the distribution of her estate. It does give additional confirmation of her residence, date of death, and the date her will was proved; but I think you had all of that from the probate registers.
Thank you! I'll take it. It has some of the same info as the source I used, but yours is viewable online. Much better for anyone who braves reading my article. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
The reference to the Natural History Museum presumably relates to the books of her paintinhs and drawings as per the descriptions here and here that you've already seen. Jheald (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you for looking. It's so frustrating that someone with such talent, not just in art, but breeding exotic plants and animals etc doesn't have a higher profile. I mean the lady was shaking it with the best of them. Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I've had a good look through the Biodiversity Heritage Library but have been unable to find any illustrations by Lady Cust that could be used. What I will do though is put a "scanning request" in asking that her illustrations from the Natural History Museum be added to BHL. I don't know whether this request will be successful, or if it is how long this will take, but it is worth a shot. Ambrosia10 (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
You are a star! Thank you Ambrosia10. I know not many people will visit her page, but I would love to raise her profile. She deserves the recognition! Cdefm (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia and WiR in the media

We get a mention here Meet the Irishwoman writing one Wikipedia article a day for 2020 with Smirkybec. ☕ Antiqueight chatter 14:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Very cool! SusunW (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm in awe of Smirkybec's goal: an article a day in 2020! We'll need to find another barnstar, Victuallers. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
She's been doing consistently good work for years and has now created over 300 articles, most of them biographies of Irish women. It looks to me as if she's just the kind of role model who should be covered in Signpost.--Ipigott (talk) 09:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
You're all very kind - Antiqueight is doing amazing work too, hoping to catch up on her 400 500 biographies eventually! Smirkybec (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Smirkybec -I too have the goal of 365 for the year, hmm, leap year - I guess that's 366. I have 86 for the year to date to give me a little leeway on holidays and the like later. But Smirkybec is TOTALLY the kind of role model for Signpost. I have no hope of catching up to my heroes like SusunW, Ipigott or Rosiestep but with a little effort I might just stay ahead of Smirkybec. I'm not sure I'd be doing any of this if not for all of you though. WiR and Wikimedia Ireland <evil grin> ☕ Antiqueight chatter 12:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
It totally takes a village. I can't imagine doing one for every day of the year. *That* is impressive! It sometimes takes me a whole day just to pull together sources to see if I can write an article. LOL Often that entails asking Rosie or Sue or the reference exchange to help me find sources I can't access. Then I have to write it and totally rely on Ian to fix my errors and a multitude of gnomes to add categories and links I missed and help me fix technical stuff that I have no clue how to do. I *know* I wouldn't be doing this if it weren't for all the people here who are always willing to jump in and help. SusunW (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
<3 Many of mine deserve MUCH more research than I give to them. Some, like the recent ATA pilots, are short but the research I have access to is the same across all of them. So I can do several for the effort of little more than one. And none of mine have the same level of detail that you get in some of yours. But, I thought about this for a while. Some of these women have been missing a long time. And people looking up information assume that they don't exist if they aren't here. So I'm focused (right now) on getting them UP. I may have to stop going for article creation and go back and see what detail I can add. But I know that there are people who don't like to create articles and I try to get them to backfill if they know details. I hugely rely on the gnomes. I used to be one. ☕ Antiqueight chatter 14:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm like you Antiqueight, don't dive too deep, but if I can start an article with the most easily accessible references it is better than no article at all and leaves room for other editors to flesh it out. I did set myself the task of harder biographies, with women from early badminton in Ireland having found them on the WiR Wikidata lists, but it might be too hard! The ones I manage might be stubs like A. M. Head. Still better than nothing? Smirkybec (talk) 15:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Which is why we all do what we can do and it's all good. I'm way too OCD to write stubs. I've tried it, but then I am like, "oh, but what about this?", find a source, which makes me think of something else. Far less frustrating for me, if I just pull together the sourcing from the get-go and write as comprehensive a piece as I can. SusunW (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I'm a huge fan of stubs. Better some content than none at all. Although I, too, can get pulled down the rabbit hole pretty easily...which is dangerous, because I then lose track of time. :-)

And congratulations to Smirkybec - it's a nice piece. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks all, it means a huge amount coming from such amazing editors! Smirkybec (talk) 23:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Missed this. Smirkybec's contributions are packing our #wikiwomeninred twitter feed with more articles... and this month the Irish theme is particularly apt. I decided to up my rate to one a day to avoid JessWade catching me up. I have to keep going at this rate until the next Ada Lovelace Day. We have given out four unvirtual barnstars so far and I have a couple for this year. Nice to gain some consensus as who might get one. Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Requesting copy edit support

I have been actively supporting some of south Asian women issues related article. While working on article Aurat March relating to International Women's Day protests in Pakistan, I realized public debate in Pakistan has come at cross road over 'My body my choice' and it would be difficult to include all facets in the same & English wikipedia deserves separate article for this issue so I have started an article in draft name space Draft:My body my choice (Feminism). I would welcome any copy edit support for article or links to relevant resources on Draft talk:My body my choice (Feminism)

Thanking in anticipation.

Bookku (talk) 13:16, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Requesting support

Hello,

Requesting to add women's rights issue article Aurat March to your 'watch list' during week of International Women's Day .

While I am steadily working on article to improve further as suggested in notification template. Article is coming across repeat anon vandalism of intentional misogynistic hate against women's movement plus some un-sourced original research attacks.

It seems to be , being women's day around I worry this vandalism may get repeated.

Please see if you can add article Aurat March to your 'watch list' at least until 12/15 March so any repetition of intentional vandalism can be duly reversed.

Thanks & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 07:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Erika Brady

I would be happy to have help with this subject. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

New list: Latin America in the Communist International

I added a new list for the Latin America in the Communist International biographical dictionary. The source in Spanish is available online and licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0, so its text can be reused in Wikipedia. Note that the dictionary is an exhaustive compilation of every person related to Latin America with some paper trail in the Comintern archives, so a lot of entries do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Links to other Wikipedia languages and some external sources are also present to help identifying the most notable entries. --MarioGom (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the new list, MarioGom. Although all the names may not meet en-wiki requirements, it would be great to add all of them to Wikidata. cc: @Gamaliel and Tagishsimon. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I wonder if adding all of them to Wikidata is ok with its notability criteria. Also Russian names require special care. The dictionary is quite inconsistent with transliterations. --MarioGom (talk) 20:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
To add some more fun, a lot of people went by a hispanized name in Latin America which may or may not be the most common during their lifetime. --MarioGom (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
@Rosiestep: This looks like a fun project. ¡Gracias! Gamaliel (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Wikidata list is up, and I see Tagishsimon has already started creating new Wikidata items. Gamaliel (talk) 23:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Good find. As might be expected, it contains a limited number of women but the descriptions of those included are generally well presented. Good to have a Wikidata list.--Ipigott (talk) 08:28, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@MarioGom, Gamaliel, and Tagishsimon, do we want to consolidate the two lists? This is the non-Wikidata list and this is the Wikidata list. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe not yet? We don't have items for all the notable women on the non-WD list yet. Gamaliel (talk) 14:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Article Gaby Chiappe

Though I don't think I made the article Gaby Chiappe, I remember there being a similar conversation here recently and wanted some input. The article has a fairly detailed career section, with a few mentions of Chiappe's eldest son because in the few interviews of her talking about her career, she uses him as a point of reference and discusses her career in relation to her family. Someone claiming to be first a representative and then Chiappe herself have been onto the page, first blanking it besides filmography and removing all references under the guise of a "correction", then saying that the whole thing is unnecessarily personal. While I sympathize, maybe it is uncomfortable having all the info about yourself collected in one place, I re-read BIO and I find that there's nothing personal mentioned just for the sake of it (especially since I went and did a courtesy edit to make references to the children even more vague). However, if the edit requests can be verified and deemed more than IDONTLIKEIT, can anyone who has read the page see any edits that could be made (obviously without the blanking)? The only real argument made by the possible-Chiappe accounts is an equality issue: she writes that there wouldn't be mention of children in career if it were a man's bio. I completely disagree. In interviews, she relates her career to her kids, and there's basically no other interviews or statements from her about anything. If a man did the same, his career section would mention the children. But, yes, if anyone wants to jump onto this, please do. Kingsif (talk) 16:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:User:Cdefm/Maria A. Chalon

Help?? I tried to upload my first image. But I think I messed up and now I can't see what I've done and where it's gone. It's a self portrait. I got it from a page before page 1 where the article about Maria Chalon starts, here's the link to the Google Book.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TqIwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=maria+chalon+artist&source=bl&ots=NJnb9AKhHm&sig=ACfU3U2WMWofaAApPfmcsUfC0CAqX-bjwg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwium8n99YboAhUGJsAKHXGKAmM4FBDoATADegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=maria%20chalon%20artist&f=false

I'm not sure how to upload it correctly, or how to remove or correct what I've done. Can anyone help me? Cdefm (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I added the information template to the file page. You can add the file to an article by copying and pasting this: [[File:Maria A. Chalon painted by Maria Chalon.png|thumb|Caption goes here]]. On a side note, I'm not sure the file licensing is correct - the license template says "the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication", and we know the author is Maria A. Chalon, so that doesn't seem right. I don't know what the proper license would be, though. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! SpicyMilkBoy The journal which contains this image was published in 1827, but Maria died in 1877. I can't recall now if I selected the license template and so went horribly wrong from the beginning. I found my image and have tried to pop it in, but I think I'm going to try your method, or considering the licensing thing, do you think I should just leave it off? Cdefm (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Argh. I can't work out how how to add a file. I'm giving up. The challenge of adding an image will have to be for another day. Maybe it's for the best in this particular case? Cdefm (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't see you had added the image already. Your original edit was correct. When copying what I posted, don't copy the <nowiki> bits - that will prevent the image from showing up. I am not familiar with EU copyright laws, but someone here will probably know the right license to use. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Figured it out, according to c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_Kingdom the copyright term is life of the author + 70 years. I've added the appropriate template. :) Great work on the article, by the way. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Not your error in missing me adding the image. SpicyMilkBoy I decided to tinker around immediately after I posted my first message. Hoping that I might learn something from my failures, and knowing someone would take a look and hopefully correct all the various errors and scenarios I was creating. Thank goodness you were around! I believe we now have LIFT OFF..I'm moving the page. Thank you for you help. And thanks re 'great work'. Have a great evening! Cdefm (talk) 23:24, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Potential article

I wonder if Dr Suzanne Eccles would be notable enough to be included in the encyclopedia. She's a cancer biologist with several hundred published articles and a (semi-retired) professor at the Institute of Cancer Research, but as she's also my mother, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to be involved with any writing of the article. If those who know about science think she would be notable enough for inclusion, perhaps you might consider it? Katharineamy (talk) 23:54, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Women bios on Wikipedia's social media accounts

Hello WP:WIR! I'm Ed, perhaps better known to some people here by my volunteer username The ed17. I'm here today to ask for suggestions of women's biographies for an upcoming themed week of organic posts on the @Wikipedia Facebook and Twitter accounts. Ideally, these articles would be of high quality and have a good 'hook' that will help catch people's attention, but I'm open to any and all proposals, including things you've written. Thank you in advance! Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Ed for giving us the opportunity to suggest articles for the social media. I'm really not at all clear about what you mean by "organic posts". As there are currently over 300,000 biographies of women, we could easily comply with any sphere of interest you care to name. It would also be good to know whether you are interested mainly in historical figures or living people. As for high quality articles, WikiProject Women in Green lists those which have recently been ranked as GA. Inter-Allied Women's Conference is a revealing historical article which has been upgraded to FA. Of those to which I have contributed myself, I would mention the ballerina Margot Fonteyn and the Mauritanian singer and politician Malouma. It would be useful if you could give us an idea of how many suggestions you need and perhaps further details of your social media project. You may be interested to know that thanks to Victuallers, Women in Red regularly contributes to Twitter (https://twitter.com/WikiWomenInRed) and many of our images are posted on Pinterest (see for example https://www.pinterest.com/wikiwomeninred/february-2020-editathons/). See also our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/wikiwomeninred/. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 07:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey Ipigott! Thanks for these great suggestions and links. I'm planning between 14 and 16 posts, and I will add those articles to the potentials list! To answer your questions: 1) I'm interested in any high-quality articles regardless of time period, and by "organic" posts, I simply mean that these won't be paid ads (I'm sorry for using jargon). I'm definitely an avid follower of @wikiwomeninred on Twitter, and I'll respond to Roger below now. :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ed, thanks for the post (and your contributions). We have a Woman of the Day (see top of this) and I/we'd be very interested in a themed week especially if we can influence more editors to help fix systemic bias in Wikipedia. How can we help? Happy to share our #wikiwomeninred Twitter account for a good cause. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 10:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Victuallers! Great to hear from ya. I'm looking for recommendations from project members of articles to post in the first week of March, which as you probably know will end with International Women's Day on 8 March. Do you have any particular favorite articles that you've posted to @wikiwomeninred over the years? :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Well you don't need me to tell you about Marie Curie etc. The ones I think we should identify are those who we have written from scratch who might have been lost to history and still are a bit. The first is Nokutela Dube, she was there when the African National Congress was founded, she started a newspaper, but she was abandoned because she did not have children with John Dube. She is now honoured in South Africa but after she was featured on Wikipedias main page. My go-to woman usually is Kate Hudson who journeyed half way around the world to find a cure for leprosy but was destroyed by whispers about her lesbianism. The museum she founded refused to have her bequested portrait (its there now after! we wrote about her). Then there is Gladys West who arguably invented GPS... who may not have been noticed except for her wiki article, oh and you MUST include Clarice Phelps who is is the first African American to be involved with discovering an element but like Katie Bouman she was also cyber lynched. Katie was called out on line for having a wiki article based on her role in photographing a black hole. Vera Popova was the first woman chemist killed in the line of duty. Criticising my own list - there are too many anglophones. You should ask our sister projects - you could feature more non-anglophones. I have a Russian and a South African in my list, but the rest (too many) are UK/US. <rant>The narrative you must resist is claiming that the lack of women articles is caused by a lack of women editors. These two things are hugely important and it would be nice to equate them but its counter productive to both aims of "beating systemic bias" and "increasing wiki diversity" respectively.</rant> What I'd love you to mention is the people who really help us - that is of course our 100s editors in over 20 languages, and those who applaud the miniscule (but unrelenting!) progress we make each day on wiki and Social media.... AND those who understand open licensing of pictures and routinely release their pictures licenses. So seven "hidden" women, but why not also seven sister projects and seven bodies like NASA, UNCTAD, US/UK Gov and (this week!!) WIPO who openly license photographs. user:JessWade is always telling us that we should MEASURE good works to improve the representation of women. Can I suggest that we measure "new members of Women in Red" and new followers of our Twitter, Pinterest and Facebook accounts that week? ... Oh and Annie Kenney who was the working class suffragette leader and Mary Jane Clarke who was the first to die for women's suffrage... and ... and .... (must sleep now) Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Ed Erhart (WMF) ... and Deolinda Rodrigues Francisco de Almeida, nicknamed, "Mother of the Angolan Revolution", who corresponded with Martin Luther King Jr., co-founded the women's wing of the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola, and for her efforts, was captured, tortured, dismembered alive, and executed. Also, Eunice Eloisae Gibbs Allyn of Ohio, who wanted to be a teacher but was dissuaded because her mother wanted her to "enter society", and who wanted to be a writer but had to hide behind a pen name because her brother didn't want a bluestocking in the family. Louisa Caroline Huggins Tuthill authored History of Architecture from the Earliest Times (1848), which was the first history of architecture to be published in the United States. Elleanor Eldridge was an African American/Native American entrepreneur and memoirist. Jennie Casseday was bedridden, but that didn't stop her from being a philanthropist, social reformer, school founder, and profuse letter writer. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:16, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Ed Erhart (WMF): Further to the above, I've just remembered that "Inter-Allied Women's Conference" is already scheduled for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 8, 2020. With all these names, it might be worthwhile extending your posts over two weeks. In connection with Roger's comments above, the Denelezh Gender Gap stats show that for those born between 2000 and 2009, over 40% of the biographical Wikidata items are about women. As for hooks, you will find that as several of the articles mentioned have been on DYK, they have hooks on their talk pages. As for the others, background already seems to have been given above. If you want more from outside North America and Britain, you might consider Karen Blixen, the Danish author of Out of Africa, the young Dutch Jewish diarist Anne Frank, the Greek soprano Maria Callas, the Swiss explorer and writer Isabelle Eberhardt, or the world's first female prime minister, Sirimavo Bandaranaike from Sri Lanka. Please let us know is there's anything more we can do to help you along.--Ipigott (talk) 08:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Ed Erhart (WMF) A few more suggestions for you. The articles aren't long, but they represent people who are often left out of standard reference works.
Guadalupe Haertling (Honduran) and María de Baratta, both composers from an area with significantly lower representation on the English Wikipedia.
Asilia Guillén, a Nicaraguan folk artist.
Joanna Quiner, one of my personal favorites among my own articles. Chronologically, she was the second-oldest female sculptor in the United States (only Patience Wright was older), and yet she's missing from many histories of American art. (I studied art history, and took a class in 19th-century American art, and never heard of her until I was well out of college.) One of the best examples, to me, of what Wikipedia can do when it seeks to expand the historical canon.
Fanny Eckerlin and Ida Quaiatti, two Italian opera singers missing from standard reference books. I've written a bit more on why Eckerlin interests me here, and the same goes for Quaiatti.
These are the sorts of things I'd highlight. But then, maybe I'm a bit biased. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Victuallers, Rosiestep, Ipigott, and Ser Amantio di Nicolao! These are some fantastic proposals, and by my very quick count, I've only heard of a few of them. I'm putting all of these into a list and will be reading through all of them before selecting the ones we'll post. The plan is to post at least two per day from 1–8 March, and Ipigott, I definitely think we can sync with the 8 March TFA. :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 02:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ed Erhart (WMF): Thanks for these useful details and for promoting them so well on the social networks. From the Wikipedia page views (several over 800 a day), I see many Facebook and Twitter followers actually went in to read the Wikipedia articles. I was particularly surprised to see how much interest Sirimavo Bandaranaike attracted (but perhaps it was mainly from Sri Lankans). Please let us know if ever you need help with similar "themed weeks".--Ipigott (talk) 07:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I see you've also covered Policarpa Salavarrieta and Barbara McClintock.--Ipigott (talk) 07:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

BBC article for International Women's Day

In International Women's Day: Closing the online gender gap the emphasis is on Wales but there is also ample coverage of the difficulty of including notable women on the EN wiki. (cc Llywelyn2000) --Ipigott (talk) 13:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Help at Lydia Kakabadse

Can anyone help right this article? The notability appears to have been questioned. Can any one with resources in the subject area (British composers, choral and chamber music) add sources and cleanup this BLP? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Noticeboard discussion on reliability of The Times of India

There is a discussion about the reliability of The Times of India on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Times of India RFC.Please note this a very important discussion as The Times of India is one major references and is used in a very large of Indian Women articles and also a major source used in WP:AFD by those trying to keep articles.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit-A-Thon

Hey all,

York University is hosting a virtual Edit-A-Thon on March 11 from 10-5 if anyone wishes to join. Check out [9]. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4: Let me know if you need any virtual help. Do you have a meetup page? (See Category:Wikipedia meetups in Canada). It provides an easy way of listing participants (old and new) as well as drafts of new articles. Hope everything goes off well.--Ipigott (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

DYKs for Women's History Month

I have been reminded by Yoninah that we should be including more biographies of women on DYK in connection with Women's History Month and International Women's Day on 8 March. Last year 84 appeared on DYK. Maybe we can make it 100 in March 2020.--Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

If someone would nominate the new The Suffragette Handkerchief, that would be great. (Sadly I loathe & detest the DYK process & will have nothing to do with it.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
My first WHM hook is due to go up in the next few days, with one scheduled for 31 March. I have some other noms, too - Kathleen Pelham Burn, Mary Taylor Brush, and some women-based hooks for Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. I couldn't think of anything to write for the Suffragette Handkerchief, but if anyone has an idea for other DYKs, let me know! Kingsif (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Diana White Missing articles, UK Artists, Q21454091 A page had been started https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_White in cy.wikipedia

Hi, I just wanted your advice. I was thinking of crossing another off the Redlist: Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Painters - UK, Diana White. But I see that a page has been started in the Welsh wikipedia. Do I start another page for her, as usual, in the English wikipedia or do I add to the one in Welsh? Cdefm (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

@Cdefm: In short: start a new article in the English wikipedia. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Righto. I'm going for it. Thanks! Cdefm (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
When you've created the English article you can connect it to the Welsh one and any others: find the "Languages" link in the left-hand column, search for the Welsh version, find the article. Some topics have articles in many many different wikipedias. PamD 08:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, will do. Cdefm (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Late entry to Feb polar editathon

Hi all. Would someone with more biography experience than me take a quick look at Draft:Sunniva_Sorby by Christeldhansen? It was written for the Feb polar editathon but they finished up a bit late. I think it's close to ready for mainspace but would love a second opinion from someone with more BLP experience. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Promoted to Sunniva Sorby. Fellowship in the Royal Canadian Geographical Society satisfies WP:NACADEMIC. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:30, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment at Template: Infobox legislature

I've left a comment on the Infobox template for legislatures, regarding adding a parameter on gender representation, which might be of interest to project participants. --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

A grant open to make the next tool to help WiR.

Hello Women in Red community,

To make you aware, there is currently a grant open by myself (creator of whgi.wmflabs.org ) and User:Envlh (creator of www.denelezh.org/) to merge our Biography tracking tools, and make that result more functional. This is would have the benefits of 1) keeping the current features, but making them more stable and usable, and 2) adding the capacity to implement to community wishlist features. Obviously Women in Red is one of the communities we would most hope to assist with new tech, and would run a user elicitation process if our grant was funded to implement your brilliant ideas. I hope you would consider giving some feedback about what features would be useful, or even endorsing the grant here: Meta:Grants:Project/Maximilianklein/WHO.

Thanks for so many years of amazing editing, and I hope we could take the tech-assistance to the next level.

Maximilianklein (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Maximilianklein: Unfortunately the meta link does not work.--Ipigott (talk) 07:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I see it should be Meta:Grants:Project/Maximilianklein/WHO.--Ipigott (talk) 11:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Ipigott, I mistyped a slash for a colon. Fixed now. Thanks for your support. Maximilianklein (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

"Filling in the gender gap on Wikipedia"

Some of you might be interested in this article, published today by Fortune (magazine), which mentions Women in Red. (https://fortune.com/2020/03/11/wikipedia-women-profiles-international-womens-day/) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Always good to see articles mentioning Women in Red. It's actually the second time Earlham College has been featured on this page over the past couple of weeks. They're obviously good at publicizing their efforts (perhaps with Rosie's help). Now that they've appeared in Fortune, I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts are not reflected in other media.--Ipigott (talk) 08:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Ipigott, nope. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Diana White (1868 - 1959), artist and translator. Is she a suffragist?

I've started an article on Diana White. I'm doing it section by section so I have more research than is shown on the draft page so far. There's something that 'feels' suffragist about her when I saw an excerpt of one of her letters, call it gut instinct. So I looked into a little, and a name Ellen Macgregor came up as an active suffragist, see John Macgregor. Ellen is John's mother. I have a reference that says John's father, Archibald MacGregor, artist, was the teacher and remained a close friend of Diana White throughout her life. Of course, I'm now wondering if Diana White was also a suffragist. Nether Diana nor Ellen are on the Wikipedia list of suffragists, does anyone know if it's possible to either confirm or dispel whether Diana White was a suffragette? Cdefm (talk) 12:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I know there are encyclopedias documenting large numbers of American suffragists, perhaps you could check a similar work for British suffragists? Gamaliel (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Completed projects

Is there anywhere that's keeping track of completed projects? For example, I just checked a biographical dictionary of Asian writers and was pleased to find out that all but two of the women already had en.wp articles. Once those articles are done it would be nice to be able to say "okay no need to check this source again" to other editors. Gamaliel (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Gamaliel: It certainly sounds promising that all but two of those in a biographical dictionary of Asian writers (which one?) have been covered. Nevertheless it seems to me it would be premature to consider this is close to a completed project for two main reasons. First, although we might have created articles on all the names in a dictionary, there is certainly still room for their improvement. Second, and more importantly, when writing biographies, I think most of us draw on as many pertinent sources as possible, those in a given biographical dictionary representing only part of our research. Still, I think it would be interesting to see what kind of listing you have in mind. Perhaps you can put something together in your user space, maybe as a basis for a new approach to redlists. It would certainly be satisfying to know that we had covered all the names listed in an important source. I see you have recently been covering Asian cartoonists. How are we getting on with these?--Ipigott (talk) 08:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, some biographical dictionaries remain open to new entries. The Australian Dictionary of Biography (ADB), for instance, is expanded regularly, so the ADB redlist gets updated, manually or via Mix'n'match. Oronsay (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Naturally those could be omitted or updated as appropriate. Gamaliel (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
This preexisting WikiProject pretty much is what I had in mind. Gamaliel (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Gamaliel: That's an interesting page. But the "completed projects" do not seem to have been updated since 2014. Couldn't you extend the list with other completed projects?--Ipigott (talk) 07:27, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft page and article

I assisted at the Sydney edition of the IWD Australia-wide #KnowMyName editathons and have been tidying up the articles drafted and created since then. I've come across some issues that I'd like your advice on how to resolve. A draft was created Draft:Anne Wallace, but another editor created a new article Anne Wallace. Do I blank the Draft and redirect it to the article? Please advise as I believe there may be other instances of the same issue and I want to know how to handle it, not just have it done for me. Oronsay (talk) 01:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

The best I've been able to find is at Wikipedia:Drafts#Redirects_from_drafts_moved_to_mainspace which says redirects from drafts moved to mainspace are good. In this case the draft was not moved, but a mainspace article exists. I think it'd be wise to blank the draft and redirect it to mainspace, mainly to prevent any user from wasting time adding to a draft that's going nowhere. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:56, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I will act on your advice and tuck it away for future use. Oronsay (talk) 02:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Planning for April 2020

With March halfway gone, it's time to plan for April. So far, we have our annual event, Gender Studies; plus Dance. For geofocus, we haven't settled on Microstates or Caucasus; which would you prefer? And to round out the offerings, we'll continue with #VisibleWikiWomen, as well as Sports!, and #1day1woman. Please share your opinions here or at the VIC (virtual ideas cafe). Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Hattie Longstreet Price

This illustrator may be a little obscure but I'd be happy to have help if anyone is interested. FloridaArmy (talk) 03:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I added a PD example of her work. The reviewer/decliner suggested that the information about her works should be turned into a list rather than presented as prose. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 April edit-a-thon

Moved this proposal to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas#COVID-19. TJMSmith (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

TJMSmith: Good idea but premature. See my comments on the Ideas Page.--Ipigott (talk) 14:49, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
We have a short article for Chen Wei that could be expanded. She leads a team that is currently testing a COVID-19 vaccine, now approved for testing with humans. We'll probably start hearing a lot more about her out of China now. --MarioGom (talk) 01:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Basketball team articles

Hi all. During my {{commonscat}} cleanup work I've started noticing a number of cases like Croatia national basketball team, which was formerly at Croatia men's national basketball team (matching Croatia women's national basketball team), but was moved by @Anthony Appleyard: at the request of @SpinnDoctor: (who has also been moving a lot of similar cases). This seemed a bit odd to me, but I'm not familiar with the topic/the guidelines here, perhaps someone here who is could have a look and chime in? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Mike Peel: I requested the move due to disambiguation caused under the name Croatia men's national basketball team, when posting the fixtures schedule for the national team. The name Croatia national basketball team being the original base name eliminates this issue of disambiguation, when completing this task. Similar pages like the Croatia national football team page doesn't cause this issue of disambiguation with the fixtures schedule, due to the page being under the original base name and not differing under another name like for example Croatia men's national football team. Hopefully this gives a bit more clarity on it. 10:40, 18 March 2020‎ User:SpinnDoctor

Looking into it a bit more, @SpinnDoctor: isn't responsible for most, sorry. Some more examples, Hungary national basketball team, Iran national basketball team, Ireland national basketball team have been that way for a while. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: Sure, no problem! 11:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Sopranos

In March, I try to do more women, and came to upgrade a few that LouisAlain began last year, (probably from this list) but that were moved to draft, for lack of sources. Please watch Anja Augustin, in case "she" gets proposed for deletion. Sure, Henny Wolff is more notable, but why would we delete a singer who just happens to have cut back on career for family's sake? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Press section on main WiR page not updating

The Press section has not been updated since December although there have been several additions in 2020. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Press. (cc. MarioGom, Isarra)--Ipigott (talk) 11:06, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. diff --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to overhaul the default tutorial

There is an RfC regarding WP:I, WP:T and Help:Intro that may be relevant to the interests of this community, given the common involvement in editathons and new user onboarding.

A previous RfC identified a number of interface issues, so now that these have had time to be addressed, the RfC has been re-raised at this link. Any oppose/support/comment input valued! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 03:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Evolution and evolvability: Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's important as every month about a dozen completely new contributors become members of Women in Red, requiring a "welcome" on their new user talk pages. Many of them specifically ask for advice on how to learn the basics of editing. I support the proposal but think even more attention should be given to adapting the screen display for mobile users. Maybe we could invite feedback from new mobile participants.--Ipigott (talk) 09:49, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Ipigott: Very much agree on continuing to improve the display on-mobile. Also, making sure the policies and navigation tutorials are as simple and new-user-focused as possible. Indeed, one thing completely lacking anywhere is an introduction to the mobile interface itself! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 19:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Indeed! And most new participants come in on mobile.--Ipigott (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Article adoption request

Hi,

Marvi Sirmed is a feminist from Pakistan. If more people do not come forward it won't be a supersize that article Marvi Sirmed likely to get credit of most defamed & vandalized Pakistani feminist article on English Wikipedia.

So making this article adoption request to rescue & protect the same.

Thanks & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 11:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I was about to post about this article here.
This is an article about a women's rights activist who's attracting an awful lot of negative attention online. The article has been viewed 431k times in the last month (!). I made some edits, but my knowledge of Pakistani sources is very limited. Additional help (or, at minimum, eyeballs, given how likely this article is to be vandalized) would be appreciated. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

WiR and the Akan Wikipedia

Xibitgh is running a translation club for senior high school girls in Ghana to translate articles about women into their own language. The first one is up and it's about Kathleen Addy, a "Ghanaian activist with a special interest in governance and human rights". The original version was created by Jay ine, who also makes women blue. I think this deserves a shoutout on the Twitter account! <3 -Yupik (talk) 04:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Strange that the names of the official institutions cannot be translated into Akan.--Ipigott (talk) 10:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
It's a common issue when translating. Right now, I'm trying to find out if there's a Northern Saami version of WIPO. -Yupik (talk) 00:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
If there is, it will be unofficial. The UN has only six official languages.--Ipigott (talk) 07:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Of course, but if I collect them in one place, then I don't have to put up with 86 different ways of saying the name and people complaining left and right when I finally write an article on WIPO like with this article. All of those are attested, official translations of that convention into Northern Saami :D -Yupik (talk) 07:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I must say, Yupik, I'm really impressed to see you have created 370 articles in Northern Sami in addition to around 200 each in English and Finnish and that you have been active editing in several other languages. It's also good to see there are already 7,618 articles in Northern Sami. Quite an achievement.--Ipigott (talk) 10:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you :) -Yupik (talk) 06:52, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Women in Red invite

@Rosiestep and Victuallers: & other WPWIR members: I created a {{WikiProject Women in Red invite}} template. Please adapt it to your needs & taste. This is what it looks like, more or less, replacing the {{PAGENAME}} with (editor name here):

Peaceray (talk) 01:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Peaceray, that's a really good idea. If I understand you correctly, the contributor's name is inserted automatically from the name on the user's talk page. No adjustments are necessary--Ipigott (talk) 06:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Ipigott, that is correct. This template automatically inserts both the user's name & the section heading. The magic word {{PAGENAME}} extracts the page name minus the namespace. So User talk:<username> becomes <username> (or <namespace>:<pagename> becomes <pagename> if used in another namespace, for that matter). Peaceray (talk) 16:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Peaceray. This is great and useful. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Does the WikiProject have a templates page? For things like this, the userboxes, all the talk page banners, and maybe WIR barnstars? Kingsif (talk) 14:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Kingsif: You can find them all at Category:Women in Red templates Perhaps you could move your "This user has made x women blue." box to a WiR template.--Ipigott (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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