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While working on filling the outline table, I came across the article Distribution of wealth. I think it belongs to the topic areas covered by our project, but just in case, are there any opinions on whether it makes sense to add it to the project? --Waldir ^talk 21:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The issue was settled: the article was added to the project as a low-importance topic. Full discussion here. --Waldir ^talk 08:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Basic income label project

it is combining basic income ,with a 'second stream" of income out out declared work. In order to promote this, comparison between efforts of governments and efforts of(international) companies should be made comparable. An equal acces to declared work seems a prerequiqite. From there, consumers(consumer label) should be enabled, as well as companies or international institutions to evaluate efforts (on results, on level, on effectiveness to create a safe and sustainable 'incomnomy') It also is a base for a possible outcome of the European citizens initiative claiming studies about 'basic income...' As a reaction to some other basic income strategies, it is not promoting laziness, in the contrary: the additional cost of labour should allow everybody to have an equal chance to have declared work. Unpaid work for free, or slightly paid by taxes should allow better ecology, better structures, better ecology...To work or not to work is a free choice, but to have some more income in active periods, you should however participate freely when YOU like to. Undeclared work becomes less problematic, as the 'retributivity' of the second stream gives some rights on the retribution, and other than investments it should automatically follow inflation and economical growth. In this way it's a stable base for credit, so everybody could acces own housing property... The label aspect, should finally result in a consumer label, and CSR (corporate social responsibility) could be supported by trade unions...(soon:www.basicinomelabel.net) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.155.205 (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work

Shall we connect this project with the new portal under construction Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work, add links and contribute with text and articles? Or better with Portal:Sustainable development, because all human beings can develop themselves to be sustainable entrepreneurs on the basis of unconditional income – or with both? --LudwigSebastianMicheler (talk) 12:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable; thanks for reaching out. What kinds of specific cooperation actions do you envision? --Waldir ^talk 23:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From both Portals I have made links back to here.

Possibilities: In Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work there are empty subpages, we could write about basic income there, examples or news, e.g. about the ECI-UBI (European Citizens' Initiative – Unconditional Basic Income) or the successful but ongoing de:Initiative Grundeinkommen in Switzerland (a WP-article for translation? – inclusive some of the linked articles, like the basic-income related texts e.g. in de:Endo Anaconda). In: "Do you know?" we could write about Lenkungsabgaben in Switzerland. The government of Switzerland pays back money from some steering-taxes like the Carbon-tax per capita, everybody the same and unconditional, in the principle way of a partial ecological-basic-income (ecological-bonus-principle). In Welfare (a very good visited WP-article!) we should mention the worldwide examples of realized (partial-)basic-income, or contribute something to Welfare#Criticism. Let's bring a little more music, dynamic-balanced-equality and art to this world! --LudwigSebastianMicheler (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Really good ideas! I already added the portals to the BI project's "see also" list. I also added some of the articles you mentioned to the outline table so we can keep track of them. (One question: how should "Initiative Grundeinkommen" be translated?). I left some out as they're not directly related to BI (if we include all tangentially related topics, the list of articles to cover starts getting too overwhelming), but I agree with the changes you propose in them. I would personally like to focus first on assessing the priority articles from that list, however, so we can move forward in a more data-driven way, as well as track our progress. Do you think you can help selecting the top priority items from that list? --Waldir ^talk 09:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welfare Trap

Isn't one of the main motivations behind the Basic Income that it removes the 'welfare trap', because benefits are no longer means-tested? This fact is not expressed anywhere in the related pages, and is definitely not explained using graphs and mathematics. I think it should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LAUBO (talk • contribs) 23:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is an important point. Withdrawing or reducing benefits when a claimant tries to get out the "welfare trap" penalise the effort. So targeting is a break on people's natural tendency to improve their economic circumstances. Janosabel (talk) 14:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Funding International Basic income

The defining entry restricts the provision of a basic income to individual countries/states. I feel the possibility of greater good could be achieved with a truly universal program, and that even without specific academic or political proposals, an international system should not be eliminated from consideration. ^[1] Stephenstillwell (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisSects/comments/1puo3c/the_meek_shall_inherit_the_earth_maybe/

Your Basic Supply of Barnstars for getting WikiProject Basic Income up and running!

The Multiple Barnstar

This Basic Supply of Barnstars is for everyone who worked on getting WikiProject Basic Income up and running. Three cheers for providing basic information about Basic Income! It's an important topic, and you've pitched in to help us make a good start.-- Djembayz (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to everyone for getting this project up and running! I've distributed a Basic Supply of Barnstars, updated the project page, and done a bit of assessment. Anybody here with more expertise than me who can assess the importance of articles? Djembayz (talk) 16:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The basic income page

Could the project weigh in on the state of the basic income page. A lot of content has been recently stripped. What is left seems pretty shaky. The difficult issue is whether content that lacks prestigious sponsorship (Academic or Commercial publication) should be selectively scrubbed from the page even when other content is unreferenced, and confused, and the best argument against removing it, is that it would cause the core page content "properties" to be completely blank.

It would be helpful to state an exemption to the Academic only content reference policy since either none is available, or no one with access to such references is willing to contribute to the wiki page. Perhaps, what seemed to me to be useful and informative content could be restored until academic sources are contributed to replace it. Godspiral (talk) 03:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I want to second this, It's now more than a year later and it would good to get some opinions about what we need to do to improve the quality of the article and get it up to 'Good'. 109.78.68.250 (talk) 04:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Basic income wiki

I'm starting a wiki solely dedicated to basic income at http://basicincome.wiki.yt/ (hopefully with a nicer URL in the future). There's a lot more editorial freedom. E.g. references are welcome but definitely not a requirement. And you can If any of your work here is about to be deleted you can move it there. It's also CC-BY-SA. Guaka (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some big changes on the main article

I have made three big changes to the main article, basic income.

1. I have removed the country specific texts to a new article called "Basic income around the world"

2. Instead of using too much space in the main article on pilots I have made a new article, "Basic income pilots".

3. I have added some photos under the headline Advocates and opponents.

What do you think about these changes? --Mats33 (talk) 15:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Main article cleanup.

I cleaned up some stuff on the main article. I disambiguated a wikilink, removed a certain bias, removed a tag that didn't belong there and removed an unnecessary redlink. Not sure if I'm missing something. Hope that helps! Lighthead ^þ 02:55, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Basic income advocates vs Basic income proponents

Possible category merge due to meeting the criteria of Wikipedia:Merging (overlap and possibly duplicate).

There currently exists the categories Category:Basic income advocates and Category:Basic income proponents. One definition of a proponent is 'One who argues in support of something; an advocate.' These categories seem to significantly overlap and there are some of the same people listed in both categories. The definition of advocate and proponent are very similar and many people listed in one category could be listed in the other or both. It is very difficult to see why many of the people should be listed in one category and not the other. They seem like they could all, or at least mostly, be listed in both categories. Therefore I think something should be changed. Perhaps delete one of these categories and merge those from the deleted category into the remaining one? Any and all thoughts would be much appreciated. Helper201 (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Request that we re-name this project and the relevant category universal basic income

Now that the page basic income has been re-named to universal basic income for the sake of consistency I think we should also re-name this WikiProject to WikiProject Universal Basic Income and Category:Universal basic income to category:Universal basic income. Helper201 (talk) 05:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 October 2020

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Basic Income → Wikipedia:WikiProject Universal Basic Income – The page basic income was re-named to universal basic income after a consensus on the relevant talk page. The category:basic income has also been re-named to universal basic income. For the sake of consistency I think the WikiProject should also be re-named in line with both of these other re-names. Helper201 (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in principle (without knowing whether it would lead to other consequences down the line). Colin.champion (talk) 09:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I have cleaned up the MAIN basic income page substantially (dec 2020)

Hi folks,

I have cleaned up the main page on English Wikipedia, "Universal basic income", substantially. Take a look. See also the discussion page for further improvements. Regarding the German Wikipedia, I suggest that they create a special article about Grundeinkommen in Germany. (Like "Basinkomst i Tyskland" on Swedish Wikipedia).

--Mats33 (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This projecy must be reactivated...

The last topic added was three years. Why did the community of advocates abandon it?

I want to push to reactivate the this all important adjustment to the Welfare State . But do not know where to start. Going to the Teahouse, as advised, resulted in no help.

Meanwhile, there is an overriding question: Why is a social movement with impeccable historical support-precedent spanning more than two centuries, failed to achieve UBI?

And, please, no clever explaining-away of the point of this leading question: Something is missing from the framing-strategies used by this liberation movement... possibly awareness of what is known as systemic change resistance? Janosabel (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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