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Irish Times journalist request

Hi there.

Malachy Clerkin here from The Irish Times newspaper. You might be able to help me with a piece I want to do. I am a GAA writer and I am interested in talking to some of the people who update the GAA pages on Wikipedia. They are an amazing resource and one I rely on constantly in my work. I know plenty of others do too.

The piece I want to write is essentially telling the story of how lucky the GAA is to have such a committed group of people collating pages such as those documenting the various hurling and football championships. I don't know if there's a community of you guys or if you're in contact with each other at all. I would basically love to write a piece about how it all works. I think people in general just use Wikipedia quite mindlessly, without giving any thought as to how it comes to be at all.

Is this something you might be interested in talking to me about? My email address is malachyclerkin@gmail.com. Contact me anytime.

All the best, Malachy

PS Apologies if this isn't the right way to go about contacting people - I'm not entirely sure of my ground here! PLease advise if there's a more appropriate way of getting the word around.

Duncinaire (talk) 11:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)Duncinaire

Merging "football All-Ireland" infobox templates

In researching a request for a new parameter for infoboxes, I discovered that there are a few irregularities regarding infoboxes for All-Irelands.

Firstly, Template:Infobox Football All-Ireland has a field named type in the docs, which is supposed to specify whether or not the tournament was a Junior or Senior one. Regardless of what you enter, including nothing at all, it will default to All-Ireland Senior Football Championship.

Secondly, Template:Infobox Hurling All-Ireland lacks the type paramter in its docs and likewise defaults to xyz All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship.

Thirdly, Template:Infobox Football All-Ireland and Template:Infobox Hurling All-Ireland, as well as Template:Infobox minor football All-Ireland, are the exact same regarding parameters in the docs (bar the type in the first).

As they are indeed the exact same templates, I propose they all be merged to Template:Infobox All-Ireland, with additions of a functional type field as well as a sport field. As they are all ultimately the same.

Again, I would be happy to carry this out myself if shown what to do. Cheers. UaMaol (talk) 12:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Website field in infoboxes

I am personally a big supporter of infoboxes as they help summarise the content of an article in a single spot and provide info that may look out of place elsewhere. I am not knowledgable on the standards of infoboxes, or even really Wiki policies (who is?), however most of what I do know is from user experience, and by default I expect a hyperlink at the base of infoboxes to the website of the article subject.

Keeping in tune with other sports associations and their associated infoboxes, I propose the addition of a website fields to the appropriate infoboxes of this project, starting with Category:Gaelic games infobox templates at the very least.

Under that Category I found two which already have this field:

These on the other hand do not:

This I am leaving out as it should be merged with Template:Infobox Football All-Ireland.

Template:Infobox minor football All-Ireland

All Regions, Provinces, Counties and at least half of Clubs have dedicated websites, which means there is demand and need for such changes. Some of the above are not likely to have dedicated websites at the root level for the articles, such as the three All-Ireland templates, however the GAA does maintain online archives of tournaments, which can be linked this way. The same applies to the two Templates which currently do have this parameter available.

I would be more than happy to implement such changes myself if I was shown how to, and will be happy to make a start on adding websites to some of the infoboxes. The GAA website has a list of every GAA club per county with their contact details and website (if one exists). Scraping and bots (another area I'd like to learn more about) are a possibility.

Cheers UaMaol (talk) 11:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I searched at random through clubs in other sports and they seem to have websites in their infoboxes as well as the bottom of the pages. And the county boards in Gaelic games seem to have websites. But each county team? Do they have their own websites? And what sort of websites do you intend to add to the player and manager infoboxes? --Gaois (talk) 04:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I suppose the clubs, county boards, provinces and competitions would work. But I looked at the county board websites of the four main Liam MacCarthy Cup winning hurling teams and the five county boards of football teams that contested All-Ireland finals in the last decade. I came up with the following results:

Cork: a team web page exists - but the "team information" part only lists the manager and his selectors
Kilkenny: this "news archive" seems to be the closest to a team webpage
Limerick: this "county news" page seems to be the closest to team information
Tipperary: not bad - some just list a club, others have more details
Dublin: definitely the most informative
Mayo: I can't find anything about the players on the Mayo GAA website
Kerry: It has golf classics and greyhound racing but I can't see anything about the players
Donegal: a team web page exists with player details - for 2019 - two years out of date - otherwise, joint second best with Tipperary's effort
Tyrone: I can't find anything

Four of the eight teams (Dublin and Donegal footballers and Cork and Tipperary hurlers) have a page that could be linked. One of those four (Donegal) is out of date and another (Cork) does not mention the players. If that's what the stronger teams have to offer, are the weaker ones going to be any better? If it's just going to send the reader to outdated or missing information then is there any point having a website in the county team infobox? --Gaois (talk) 00:59, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I inserted the website field into the county board infobox template. As you have said, it is used by other sports associations and nobody has opposed the suggestion over the past month. I left an example at the Kilkenny GAA page. You can do the other county board pages. --Gaois (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

The "region" template was actually only used on one page (Fingal hurling) so I replaced it there and redirected it to the county board template. --Gaois (talk) 02:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

'Gaelic footballer' in the lead

Reading this on biographies is quite annoying. It doesn't say Tom Brady plays American football on his biography – he's just an American who is a football player. We should remove the Gaelic part. I've just read an article that said that the player is an 'Irish Gaelic footballer'. The Optimistic One (talk) 16:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. In America there is really only one meaning for "football player". Hence the Tom Brady article doesn't really need to make a distinction. In Ireland there are two potential meanings for "football player" or "footballer". Association football (soccer) or Gaelic football (GAA). Obvs :) While "Irish Gaelic footballer" is (perhaps) a little clumsy, that problem can be solved with a simple reword. We don't have to favour conciseness over clarity. Personally I wouldn't favour changing/rewording ALL Gaelic football bios to refer only to "football". Guliolopez (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Even three, seeing the sign about the Ennis Rugby Football Club (Ennis RFC). The Banner talk 18:03, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Notability of clubs

Hi. I reviewed Draft:Raheen GAA and declined it because the references did not show how it met WP:GNG or WP:NORG. The author has queried it, as they had based the article on Edenderry GAA. Before I reply that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and explain the principle of WP:GNG I just wanted to check that I had not missed anything - I don't think any other notability guideline applies? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi. No. You have not missed any WikiProject-specific guidelines. In terms of:

WP:NCLUB, while there are WikiProject-specific notability guidelines for Gaelic games sportspeople (WP:NGAELIC), there are no specific guidelines for Gaelic games clubs. And so WP:NCLUB applies directly.
WP:OSE, while there may not be automatic/inherent notability for all GAA clubs everywhere, OSE can be read as "working both ways". Per the note on how OSE should be read/applied in the context of new articles, for example, if it can be demonstrated that Raheen GAA is similar to other clubs (which are consistently covered by articles), then I might see the creator's point. I would note however (and for example) that Raheen competes at intermediate grade. Whereas Edenderry competes at (and has won) several competitions at senior grade. So I'm not sure it's "apples for apples". Such that OSE could be read as a supporting argument for creation.

My two cents anyway. FWIW. Guliolopez (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2021 (UTC)