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Tasks?

Do we want the section heading from Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/Redlinks transcluded onto the main project page and the 2017 project page? Sure makes for a long table of contents. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:13, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that too, but don't know how to suppress the inclusion of all the tasks onto the collab page's TOC. If there's a way, I'm all for it. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
NOTOC on the transcluded list does suppress the table, but unfortunately for the entire collaboration page. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Publicity needed for 2018

I'm reaching out to anybody who may be able to take on the role of publicity coordination for this project this year. Maybe we can get more than the 3-5 people from 2017. I love y'all but we need more hands!! - ☆ Bri (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I think I recruited a social media director, we should be hearing from them soon ☆ Bri (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
👍 Like ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:24, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Melchior Philips, Megalibrarygirl, The Hammer of Thor, ArchitectureNerd, Mashford42, Houdinipeter, JeffSiegel, Octoberwoodland, DePiep, Mlpearc, and Alolson59: Pinging editors who participated, or expressed interest, in last year's campaign. Feel free to add your name again for this year if you'd like to focus on creating/improve cannabis-related articles in April. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:04, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@Another Believer and Bri: I think we can do a cross-over with Women in Red again. I still have a redlist of women in cannabis and I can add more names, too. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Great! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
@Megalibrarygirl: Should I ping you or are you watching this page? Anyway, very cool if we can do a cross-over; I started Draft:Goodship and realized the founder Jody Hall is probably notable herself. Maybe more so than the company, actually, since she has founded two companies now. Would be happy to add her to the redlist if you can tell me where. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Cannabis. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:15, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bri always ping me. I see that right away. :) Thanks for the link to the redlist, Another Believer. I'm currently reaching out about the 4-20 event. It's just one day, right? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@Megalibrarygirl: I proposed April 15-30, like last year. Above, Bri proposed the month of April. I'm open to either, but for now, just confirming this campaign runs longer than 1 day. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@Another Believer: cool... I'm game for adding it to WiR. Let's see what others weigh in with it on the future events page. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
For the Twitter page, I see we're not getting any likes or comments yet. Can we maybe nudge the social media director to add images to the profile, and start linking/retweeting to some of the other major cannabis Twitter accounts so we can get some action? Not to backseat drive, I don't really know how to use Twitter, but I think we missed a chance last year to build up some chatter, and it'd be good to see if this year we can gain some more attention in that venue. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Goals?

Do we want to copy over the goals from the 2017 campaign? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest that our goals have a clearer emphasis on two things: destubifying, and adding imagery. I think the latter is something with a pretty low-bar for novices that we often overlook. We have kinda crumby photos for some key articles like Hashish but there's got to be plenty of people out there with a block of hash, good lighting, and a camera phone who can out-do that. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Would you care to add to or propose changes to last year's goals? ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
I also would like a call-out to photographers who especially can get images of field conditions not just in Kentucky (my fave), but in unusual places like Matanuska Valley, Alaska and even Rif Mountains of Morocco (who knows?). ☆ Bri (talk) 18:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Dates?

I went ahead and added April 15–30 as the campaign's start and end date, but we can discuss other options. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:30, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, last April was 15–30 and I felt like it was about right for the actual contributions, but we were rushed for organization. So... I think we should "allow" (ha) contributions all month long, but plan for group coordinated efforts starting 15 April. Does that make sense? ☆ Bri (talk) 02:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
So, are we starting to track cannabis-related contributions starting 4/1 or 4/15? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
My vote is still to track anything starting 4/1, partly selfishly; I have a fair amount of material queued up and don't want to wait. But also to give the social media effort something to work with. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, sounds good! *cracks knuckles to get started* ---Another Believer (Talk)
Cool, I added a 3/31 placeholder to the Twitter queue spreadsheet (contact me via email if you need the link). ☆ Bri (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Social media brainstorm

Hopefully we have a new member signing up shortly. We brainstormed about some publicity and social media opportunities:

  • YouTube channel or affiliated personal channels
  • "Official" project hashtag
  • "Official" project Twitter account

Also outreach to businesses at least in Cascadia. We had some initial ideas:

  • Leafly
  • Local shops - perhaps with a custom poster & QR code?

I'll let them continue this when they are ready... if this happens I'd like to offer them the title "Social Media Director" if this is OK with the group. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Zee, welcome aboard! Feel free to add your thoughts here ☆ Bri (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Welcome! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm glad to see this project starting to grow. *Zee (talk) 22:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

According to Zee, the social media scene is going through some upheaval at the moment, with once-hot properties considered passé by many people. The outcome of our conversation was that Twitter is probably the best platform to go with for publicity, and easily allows linking to other things like YT videos if they become available. If somebody wants to create a Twitter account for the group, that would be great ... it wants my phone number and I don't want to give it to them. I think a Google Mail account can also be used for Twitter creation. It looks like @Wiki420 is already taken, which would have been ideal. Also taken: WP420, The420Project. Not taken: 420pedians. Any other great ideas for a name? Or does anybody know how to usurp an inactive handle? Whatever we use should probably not imply endorsement by WMF, but should indicate that we are WP-affiliated. Is that possible?

Second item, what should be posted to Twitter? I thought of the following as a starting point for discussion:

  • Kickoff date/countdown
  • Links to "how to get involved" pages
  • "Today in 420 history"
  • Once started, weekly article count or some other metrics
  • A "Did you Know"-like posting of especially cool articles or other content

Feedback welcome! ☆ Bri (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The Twitter account is now set up and ready at @420pedians, content pending! Not sure how intensely active it will be long term, but it should be a good way for us to share things like the above ideas (This day in 420 history, etc) to a broader audience. I think I'd like to have a submission box of sorts set up for people to bring our attention to relevant things they might know about, that we could then look into for tweets or possibly full articles, such as [sourced] fun facts, significant past or upcoming events, media documenting the growing and legitimate industrial and medical uses of MJ/hemp, maybe even in the form of new scientific research. We have an email set up associated with the Twitter that may be the best option for receiving suggestions for now, but I'm not sure where I would post about it other than here and our Twitter, which is a pretty closed loop! * Zee (talk) 04:58, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Will be posting first tweet later today (ideally at 4:20 pm PST):

If anybody has suggestions for a good image to go with this first tweet, off of commons perhaps, that would concisely represent the purpose of this project and help encourage people to get involved or at least retweet to spread the word, please direct me to it from here! For this tweet, and in other media we may make to "advertise" this project, Bri and I think we should find images that list or demonstrate the lesser known, more industrial uses of hemp, such as replacing the destruction of forests for paper, textile making (including traditional Korean use according to Bri), etc. * Zee (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Some sample images from Asian culture shown above. Not saying we should use all of these. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Proposed image for first @420pedians tweet at 4:20, March 25

I have sent a notice to The Cannabist through their website. If anyone wants to view the text it is available on the 2018 Media Notice page. * Zee (talk) 20:43, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

After consulting with Zee on a collage concept for our announced subjects of interest, I created this collage (I also put on the project homepage). Recommend this be used for the first tweet, unless something better develops. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Re images for Twitter, particularly for out initial attempts to gain followers, I submit there's no point going subtle so we're best to have explicit weed-culturey images like cannabis leafs and the like. We can always do subtle stuff for subtler updates, but initially we want more edge and bit just to get eyeballs and followers. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject outreach

Last year my WikiProject outreach received some backlash. I don't have time or interest in posting to too many WikiProjects this year, but I do invite collaboration participants to reach out to select WikiProject to extend invitations to participate. Even just a simple invite and link to WP:420 would suffice. Projects that come to mind: WikiProjects Drug policy, Law, Medicine, Plants, Pharmacology, Politics, Psychoactive and recreational drugs, U.S. history and public policy, etc. You can see all the projects I reached out to last year at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/420 Collaboration/2017. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I remember that, and I think it was because of the leaf image found lurid or promotional by some. We might want to tailor messaging more carefully. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
I put an invitation and redlinks on MilHist, same as last year, so will see if anyone bites this year. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Uptick of pageviews

Pageviews for WP:420 were up to 80 on 3/28, does anybody know why? I'd like to say it's because of the first Twitter announcement, but since there are no followers (last time I looked) that is doubtful. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

And 180+ on April 1 ☆ Bri (talk) 03:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Simple Wikipedia

@Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney: I love the idea of creating new articles at Simple Wikipedia and other Wikipedia projects. Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't want to spend too much time on Simple because it just doesn't get a ton of pageviews (simple:Cannabis gets just 18 views/day) but I figured taking 30 minutes to "translate" the ledes from some of our top Cannabis articles makes sense. I vaguely want to do more foreign-language translations, but I did a ton of those in 2017 so I've plucked a lot of the low-hanging fruit... Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I know what you mean, but at the same time, by creating new entries at Simple Wikipedia and other projects, you're educating a different group of editors and readers. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
While I can genuinely do Spanish purely manually with decent accuracy, French with meh accuracy by adjusting gTranslate, etc. I'm also just being ballsy and using the Content Translation tool solely when there is an existing article in a closely related language. Like in the last few minutes I used es.wiki to create the ca.wiki (Catalan) version of Reefer Madness and then did the same from it.wiki to ro.wiki (Romanian). I don't 100% know that it'll fly, but I'm throwing some stuff at the wall to see what sticks. While by no means perfect, I've certainly fixed up my share of poor English translations without begrudging it when the topic is valid. Fr.wikipedia was really cool a year ago in doing some minor cleanup on 90% good articles, but I had an editor or two at es.wikipedia who (despite my being pretty strong in Spanish) wanted to nix my translations that honestly were like 90%+ good as "unintelligible" which is a reckless exaggeration given that when they bothered to do cleanup it was like 5min really minor stuff. Anyway, I'm going to take a further look at what popular articles we have in X language that can be translated to closely-related Y language using Content Translation. And if folks want to put up a fight instead of doing a 5 minute fix, it doesn't cost me much so I'm willing to step away if I get flack. If anybody sees anything that really deserves translation to Spanish or French that we're somehow missing, give me a shout. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:43, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't suppose there's a 1-shot tool that would show both the Top 500 Cannabis articles and also what languages they're available in, no? I assume I need to just go to Popular Pages, go into it and see what's in the language sidebar, and note if Spanish, French, Italian, Catalan, or Romanian is missing, right? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Right, as far as I know. Perhaps there's a helpful tool out there, but I'm not familiar. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:55, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
@Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney: I'm not sure you need to leave 420 collaboration talk page banners on other projects. I wonder if Russian editors and speakers would appreciate seeing an English-language banner directing readers to English Wikipedia. I don't feel strongly, just came to mind when I was peeking at your contributions. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:57, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Romanians already deleted Reefer Madness, but I also overshot there by translating the full article when probably I should stick to the simple and just translate the ledes. Catalan to Spanish appears to work really well in gTranslate, but there's limited utility to creating Catalan pages because the vast, vast majority of Internet-using Catalan speakers can speak Spanish and just use es.wikipedia instead. It's kinda like Welsh in that respect, in that the project is fundamentally valid, but there are negligible numbers of monolingual Welsh speakers on the Internet, almost all of them speak English (or Spanish for the handful of Welsh Argentinians). Honestly I should largely stick to Spanish/French/Portuguese as widely-read projects, but I would imagine the greater chunk of our top pages are already existing in those languages, but I'll check around for kicks. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 02:12, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I think creating stubs (instead of length translations) on foreign language project is good. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Translations of List of names for cannabis

I notice in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/Popular pages that List of names for cannabis is #47 on our most-popular list, which is crazy since the article has only been around since the 2017 collab. And if you screen out the entries that are more tangential to the Project, it comes in around #27. So kudos to Another Believer for opening up that can of worms which has proved to be clearly palatable! So in recognition of that popularity, I've created the following:

Do I recall right that we have someone here who speaks German? These pages take *very* little translating, so if someone has even basic German skills, and can look up at least three German slang names or so, we could probably get that going. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I translate German articles into English from time to time (and some Slavic languages). But I'm leery of going the other way around, partly due to language skills but also partly because of different community norms at their projects with which I'm not so familiar. It would be better to get someone at home in dewiki. That said, here's a start: die vielen Namen des Cannabis (the many names), Sensei Seeds. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, "community norms" are a butt-pain, and the Germans really have their own thing going so I don't fault you if you decide not to mess with them. So far on the list, Italians deleted immediately, Portuguese are doing a 7-day AfD based on !voting, and no pushback yet in French or Spanish.
I will say, a year and some ago I tried doing a "cannabis by country" tree structure for de.wikipedia. It involved no translating, just seeing how other cats were phrased and putting "Hanf" in there, but you'd think I punched someone's kid in the face the way people reacted. Even with GoogleTranslate, I couldn't really figure out what their point was, but they had a big CFD and decided that the cats I made were in violation of something-or-other and deleted them. You may notice that German Wikipedia has a way different category tree for Cannabis, whereas most other languages have a reduced-span version of what we have here (admittedly that's partially my influence), but really it's German and to a lesser degree Russian that just really didn't like the by-country cats. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:48, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Anyone calling dibs on any presidency articles?

I'm starting to work on Cannabis policy of the Jimmy Carter administration, but for better or for worse there's a lot of content out there, so I'm mostly sticking with the strongest dozen or so of sources to start with since there's just a lot out there.

Is anyone ambitious enough to claim the Nixon article? I kinda want to do Ford even though I'm not even sure if he had a strong policy (though I'm willing to investigate). I'd imagine Reagan might be a challenging one as well. Though I will say, just getting a basic three-paragraph start might be enough, and then see if someone else wants to flesh it out, rather than shying away because it's too much content. No point letting "perfect be the enemy of good." Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Carter took me two hours or so, and I'll spend an hour or so doing Ford. Note I don't plan to do one on the Obama administration, so that's up for grabs. Out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know who was the first US president to speak out on the subject of cannabis? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I shall start Draft:Cannabis policy of the Reagan administration. But I probably won't finish it. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Huh, Cannabis policy of the Gerald Ford administration took me a timed total of 18 minutes; guess I'll do more of these. I think I'm sticking with pre-Reagan stuff, though I can nip in to help Bri as needed. I'm less-interested in modern stuff for now, though I'm sure the Clinton one will be fun with a "I did not inhale" section. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:19, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Cannabis policy of the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration took me 8 minutes, easy short one. I'm open to suggestions, but I wouldn't be surprised if Roosevelt was the first president to have any kind of stance (albeit indirect in this case) on cannabis, given that there was no unified federal response until his administration. That said, I found a little crumb saying something about concerns under the earlier Hoover administration, so I'll dig into that. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:38, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm quitting for the day; go crazy with the Reagan draft. By the way the "did not inhale" quote was reported in NYT on March 30, 1992; was in our social media queue (but missed) ... maybe we can work it into something else. Or reschedule. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
The Reagan thing is at Cannabis policy of the Ronald Reagan administration and I'm done with it for now, unless I think of anything positive to add to the "legacy" section. Really, I tried. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Invitation template for editors

I have lost the invitation template we created for last year's event. At least I think we created one. Mandela effect? Yikes. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I almost definitely recall one... but maybe you're messing with my brain too. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

John Boehner

Anybody up for this "watershed moment for the American cannabis industry" [1][2] ? I'd do it but I'm away from full connectivity at the moment. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:18, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Currently mentioned briefly here. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:47, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Outline of cannabis

Anybody willing is invited to collaborate on Draft:Outline of cannabis. I don't even have a skeleton of the outline in place yet but I might crib from the TOC of Small 2016 (included in WP:C list of resources). The experience with Outline of Washington infrastructure, which I created, leads me to think this is doable. This will probably be my last big thing in April, though I do plan to finish out some of the drafts I've started. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:55, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Happy 420

What, nobody is going to say it? Okay, I'll be first :)

Progress has been good; I've provided the social media director the following for today's update.

  • 40 new articles
  • 20 improved articles
  • 17 new translations languages  other than English
  • And many new images and article categories!

☆ Bri (talk) 19:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You beat me to the punch! Happy 420, all! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Retrospective / future plans

Too soon to start a retrospective on this month's collaboration? Any thoughts on what worked and what we can keep improving? ☆ Bri (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I am glad we were able to complete another successful campaign. I did not have as much time to create new articles as I had hoped, but I was able to help with keeping the project pages clean, checking new and improved content, tagging articles, etc. Thank you to all who participated. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK on track for sometime in early June

Don't know if anybody is watching this but the project isn't over yet. Northwest Cannabis Solutions Satsop facility, created during/for the collaboration, is in the queue for a DYK. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

👍 Like ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
And it just appeared on the front page ☆ Bri (talk) 03:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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