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Template:Discussed in Discord

FYI, the Wikipedia discussion link template for Wikimedia Discord, {{Discussed in Discord}}, has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 8 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 00:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

WMUSA?

@Lectrician1: What is Wikimedia United States and how is it different from the English Wikipedia server? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I presume it's an affiliate. That said, it should link to the Affiliates page, not to a direct invite link. If this isn't a real affiliate, it shouldn't be here at all. -- ferret (talk) 14:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
It's not on the affiliate list (and I've not heard of it). The US has two chapters (NYC and DC) and a few geography-based user groups (New England, Cascadia), but not a national entity AFAIK. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Since this doesn't appear to be any sort of official Wikimedia affiliate, I'm uncomfortable labelling it as such here. For now, I've edited the link to the local Wikiproject as the editor seems to have linked from there as well. -- ferret (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
@Ferret @Rhododendrites the server is meant to foster the development of the Wikimedia United States Coalition , which is a collection of in-development affiliates. The purpose vs. the main server is to allow for collaboration of topics of interest on a regional level and for editors to meet others who reside by them. For example, Chicago editors can work on Chicago articles with other Chicagoans. This is not easily done on the main server. The server also hopes to facilitate online and offline meetups between editors. Lectrician1 (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I will update the link to WUSC, but I think you are moving too quickly here as you've received no replies at all, let alone support. -- ferret (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I created the server even though there were little responses because I felt there was a strong need. There is a very large amount of editors from the United States across Wikimedia projects and they could benefit from a centralized group to discuss. People may not express their direct support now, but I find that they would join it if it was made-available and a sustainable community could grow. If you provide the resource, they will come. Lectrician1 (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Got kicked

Hey I was on discord and all I did was say hi everyone and then I logged back on discord later to see I was kicked from the server. Why was I kicked? ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 13:48, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:ALLHAILMASTERFERRET" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Wikipedia:ALLHAILMASTERFERRET and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 26#Wikipedia:ALLHAILMASTERFERRET until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 20:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Role selection

Quick suggestion, ignore if you disagree. The new roles channels take up a lot of prime screen real estate in the left menu on Discord. Consider merging the two channels into one, and consider taking them out of their own category (e.g. putting them in the "no category" that contains info, wikiauthlog, botcommands. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The solution is to collapse the category. Multiple channels are used to help manage the different combination of options as well as planning for future expansions. Additionally some channels are locked behind other roles that you're not seeing, so the category allows people who do to collapse the entire section to 1 row. -- ferret (talk) 21:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah as Ferret said, you can collapse the category, or you can mute the channel which will hide it altogether. (You can uncheck "Hide muted channels" in the server dropdown if you ever need to access a muted channel). Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 00:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Event: Vector 2022 staff discussion

Somewhat late and we don't really have a formal way to broadcast events to the site, but a discussion about Vector 2022 for interested parties with WMF staff Olga, Alex and Syzmon is beginning at 12:30PM EST (essentially, now). For any page watchers. Hi everyone, Olga, Alex, and Szymon from the team building Vector 2022 will be waiting for you to talk about the skin and the RfC running on English Wikipedia. No slides planned, no agenda, let's just hang out.

-- ferret (talk) 16:29, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Ban appeal from A diehard editor

Dear Wikimedia Community Discord staff,

I am A diehard editor (Discord: Lemuria#0685, ID: 446492687013773323), and this is my ban appeal.

Before my ban on September 16, 2022, the last thing that I said was "imagine crying over some random old woman dying thousands of kilometers from your home". I was then banned. I then went to the talk page for WP:DISCORD to request a formal reason for my ban, which was "repeated inflammatory or problematic communications, including when asked to avoid such, of which the final edit was merely the most recent". I now acknowledge that my opinions, particularly regarding English variants and the date format, were expressed in a disruptive and offensive manner, which I deeply regret.

After this ban, I decided to take a break from the server for a while to reflect on the consequences of my actions. It has now been roughly two weeks as of writing this on October 1, 2022. I apologize for the harm I caused to the community with my actions, and I wish to never re-offend.

I promise to refrain from expressing my opinion about English variants in an offensive or rule-breaking manner, to refrain from breaking the rules, to not make inflammatory statements. Additionally, I promise to follow the rules of the server.

I hope that my return to the server will benefit the community as a whole, as I wish to continue chatting with my fellow editors and importantly, work together to contribute to Wikipedia.

A diehard editor (talk | edits) 16:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Moderators have seen, further action will be on Discord if it proceeds. -- ferret (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello there - it's been roughly 2 weeks now. What is the status of the current appeal? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 23:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
If you haven't gotten a reply, no one is interested in looking into the appeal. Please do not post again. -- ferret (talk) 23:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Ban appeal tttmaker

I am tttmaker on discord, so why was I banned with no warning, again? Tttmaker (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

This ban appeal is declined. There will be no further reply. -- ferret (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I've filed an arbcom case request. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case Tttmaker (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Lmao. ArbCom does not have jurisdiction over Discord, but thanks for wasting everyone's time. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
It was just a honest mistake. (I know this may be not a good reply since it's been a month since the last reply here, I apologise if this is unconstructive) Waylon111 (talk) 18:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Can't join

Hi there I can't join invite link is invalid 2806:2F0:4180:D8AB:F1AF:EA62:14B0:EF70 (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I have just tested and the invite is still valid. -- ferret (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

luxtaythe2nd's ban appeal

Hello! It is me, luxtaythe2nd (luxtaythe2nd#0287 on Discord, 719834527282888785 user ID). It has been 4 months since my ban and I would like to appeal my ban from the Wikimedia server following lengthy and careful consideration.

Firstly, I would like to note that I've become more active on Wikipedia since I left the Wikimedia server and think that having access to channels such as #english-wikipedia would significantly help me in my period of renewed activity, as I currently only have access to a few Wikipedia-related contacts. With this, @GeneralNotability, I think I can return without immediately violating the server contribution rule as I might have tried to before. Additionally, I have long grown out of my immature jokes I used to habitually make back in 2021 and a bit into 2022—or, in a humorous fashion, New Year, new home, new surroundings, new me. Merry February and a happy winterspring from Luxtay the IInd (talketh to me) 19:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Holy Network Adapter#0063 ~ ban appeal

Hi, It's been a few months since my ban and I have zero idea what it was for. I've emailed a staff member at the same time of the ban but I didn't seem to get a response (atleast the last time I checked). My Discord is Holy Network Adapter#0063, if any staff member could review the ban? Thanks in advance. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

HolyNetworkAdapter as mentioned above, if it has been a while since you've emailed a staff member, they may simply not be interested in reviewing your ban. Hope this helps. X750. Spin a yarn? Articles I've screwed over? 06:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@HolyNetworkAdapter Sorry for the delay in responding to you, we couldn't find the reason for your ban in our logs. As such, I've unbanned you. Sam Walton (talk) 12:20, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 21:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Ban appeal for Nomz#4568

Heya folks, I was banned for doing some troll-editing on an obscure page (Porthclais) and posting about it. The edits were reverted and I've worked hard to improve other pages since. Would love to be back to see if anyone on the discord is interesting in expanding the stub-class articles I'm working on right now. NomzEditingWikis (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Reason for ban?

I am AngerxietY#1252 on Discord, and while sitting in a voice channel, I was banned. I don't see why I would get banned, but here I am! So, I would like to ask why I am banned.

Thanks! - Angerxiety 00:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you recall the contents of the "about me" section in your Discord user profile, and if so, can you elaborate on the meaning of it? Enterprisey (talk!) 01:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
I can't recall anything really (I have terrible memory.) If the "about me" section was the problem I can always change it! Angerxiety 15:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
This is problematic. Of course we can tell you to change it, and you can agree to do so. The issue is that you didn't think what you put there was problematic at all. And if you deflect and cannot express why it was problematic, we can't trust it won't happen again. -- ferret (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I suppose asking the question that way was a mistake. I'll try again. Presumably you still have access to the AngerxietY#1252 Discord account; you can thus use any Discord client to check what's in the "about me" section of your profile. Now, can you explain the meaning of it? If you've since changed it, that would be good to know, but in that case I'd also be interested in why you changed it. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Very late response, I apologize. As I detailed before, I don't remember any of my "About me". The reason why I've changed it is that there is no particular reason. I just change it from time to time. Angerxiety 07:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
OK, that's fine if you've forgotten it. I still remember it; it was several lines from the Panzerlied (an article which you've edited). We didn't want anyone who chose to express themselves in their profile with that song on the server for obvious reasons (i.e. the fact that it's a Nazi military march). If you want to explain yourself further, feel free. Enterprisey (talk!) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

cannot join. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

We have a permanent non-expiring link. I've validated at it is still working. -- ferret (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Appeal

I have been banned from the discord. I would like to appeal. I am trying to connect with an admin and get assistance. I am upset and trying to find a solution. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 03:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please describe why you think you were banned and what you will do in the future to avoid that problem. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 03:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
According to ferret, I was banned because they are the server admin, the sever is unofficial, and they have the right to make that decision. And none of those things are incorrect. At this point I am trying to find some kind of civil solution to a dispute. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 03:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I understand this was a miscommunication on all sides. I apologize for the part I played in that. I understand now that I was not being accused of sockpuppetry and it was a misunderstanding. I don't think there will be any issue like this going forward. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 04:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
@PonyToast This appeal doesn't really address the full range of what led up to your ban. Accusing other editors of attacking you isn't something I'm willing to chalk up to a miscommunication. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
It was a misunderstanding, and I have recognized that I made a mistake. I made my appeal in good faith and I am asking you to do the same. Please. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 03:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
OK. Are you willing to drop any accusations made against other users in the server, and any requests for non-interaction made to other users in the server? Enterprisey (talk!) 03:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposal: add #wp-help as channel for general Wikipedia help

I'm getting the impression that more and more of our newer users are already familiar with Discord, and possibly even prefer it to some other methods of communication. In particular, I wonder if it would be appropriate to create a channel here specifically geared to helping new users with their questions about editing Wikipedia?

The channel topic would essentially be identical to that of the WP:Tea house or WP:Help desk, simply in a platform and format geared to users that feel more comfortable with Discord. If accepted as a proposal, please reserve #en-help as an alias, because if it is successful, I can foresee other channels forming later on, like #fr-help (for help in French, primarily for French Wikipedia or smaller Wikipedias for which French is a widely used second language like ht-wiki), #es-help (Spanish), #zh-help (Chinese), and so on.

Note that our help page "WP:Your first article" still mentions IRC channels as one method of getting help (i.e. #wikipedia-en-help connect), and I think our newer users may prefer Discord to 80s/90s technology. This proposal is related to an effort currently underway to rewrite the YFA page entirely and bring it up to date. If this proposal is accepted, I would then add mention of Discord and the new channel to the new Draft YFA page currently in progress. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Withholding in-depth commentary for now, but we've tossed around the idea of a #teahouse before. We would likely not make it English specific in name though, at the other examples given just now all use their own language specific Discords (perhaps already having help channels). This one focuses on serving English language and meta projects. -- ferret (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Secondary point: Generally for specific focus channels (like for say WikiProjects), something I look for is buy in from the project/group that wants the channel. Before we'd open a #help or #teahouse, we'd need to see a discussion among the people who frequent those areas that they want and will use it. We're happy to support in that case, but wary of "make it first and see if they come". That puts a burden on our moderation team to see it through without necessarily having community support. -- ferret (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
That makes perfect sense. I'll hold off on further initiatives in this area, until there's some discussion about it in the other venues. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
For what it's worth from someone who frequents all three areas (Teahouse, Help Desk and Discord), new users seem to be fairly well served by the current Discord channel setup. There typically aren't a lot of new user questions - obviously that could change if YFA is revised to point to Discord, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
It is a bit of a chicken or egg situation. Like when credit cards were invented: what person would want one, if no business accepted them? What company would spend the money and create the infrastructure and training to accept and process them, and—get this: get their money for the purchase *later* whaaat? really??—if nobody had one. As Ferret said, it probably has to start with buy-in from TEA and/or HD, followed by a leap of faith. Wouldn't be the first time some WP gadget or feature was created, that went nowhere. Can't really tell for sure, until you try. Mathglot (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Buying on credit is rather an older concept than our modern credit cards, but yes, your point stands. I wonder how much traffic the IRC help channel gets? I've never been there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm certain new users would end up in Discord if this was adopted and integrated with TEA/HD templates and headers, etc. That's not in question. The important question is: Will the TEA/HD people show up to help them? :) -- ferret (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
That's part of it, for sure. But for better or worse, a platform tends to create its own ecosphere, e.g. the average TikTok user isn't the average Facebook user (and partly, for the former, that's the point). What I'm guessing would happen, is that a certain fraction of TEA/HD folks would indeed show up (probably the ones most predisposed to it anyway, plus the curious and the FOMOs), but that a #wp-help channel would begin to grow organically into its own thing, developing a new set of helpers, some of whom (maybe many of whom) would be former #wp-help-ees, now with experience under their belt and ready to help others. There would be an overlap in function, as there is now between TEA/HD and IRC help, and even some overlap in "bi-platformal" helpers, but would likely develop a goodly number of locals who only hang out at one, or only the other. And I think that's okay. End result: more help options for editors, and that can only be a good thing. One major platform's motto is, "There's more than one way to do it", and I think that applies here at Wikimedia for many sorts of things as well. Mathglot (talk) 19:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Such a new methodology also should consider whether it gives the best net gain, even assuming we do get the HD/TH helpers to get it to work. Generally, it's preferable for most users and most questions that it be asked on-wiki: it's easier to demonstrate the actual answer, likely more eyes on it, and of course it gets them rolling on-wiki. For some questions Discord will be better (most notably, any question that someone wouldn't ask on-wiki), others it'll be the same, but for quite a few first-time questions I feel it wouldn't be as good. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Well... I'm already "here", so... yes and no? 😅 I don't think we'd get a bunch of new folks coming over to Discord to staff the channel; it'd probably end up being me and some of the other semi-regulars who already hang out on Discord. Consider carefully whether you want me to be the on-Discord face of Wikipedia for newbies. 😉 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Ban Appeal for kedokinnie

i had previously been a member of the Wikimedia discord and was banned for a few racial remarks. i belive since then ive been able to evolve and put forth a new attitude in the server Kedokinnie (talk) 23:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

You do not currently appear to be banned. -- ferret (talk) 23:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Ban appeal for @quokka.wiki

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Appeal is denied, regardless of withdrawal. -- ferret (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Resolved
 – I don't care anymore, not worth it QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 15:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

Today, my discord account, @quokka.wiki was banned. The reason for my ban was canvassing due to linking to a deletion discussion I started.

While canvassing is against the server rules, I believe my message was not canvassing, at least in the way I worded my message.

My message was something along the lines of Y'all are invited to the following discussion: [[Deletion discussion]]. In my opinion, this message complies with WP:CANVASS for the following reasons:

  • Keep the number of notifications small — checkY only linked on the #offtopic (where the discussion about the file started) and #commons channel.
  • Keep the message text neutral — checkY I did not tell chat members how to vote, and I was open to new perspectives.
  • Don't preselect recipients according to their established opinions — checkY I did not target any specific chat members.

QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 13:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

For example, a message that would've been against the canvassing policy would've read something like Please vote delete in [[Deletion discussion]], and it would've been sent in every channel, and I would have pinged only people I know would vote for its deletion. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 13:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Continuing to WP:Wikilawyer about whether you were canvassing under a particular definition is not going to help your case. The rule on the server is that you're not allowed to ask for votes in discussions. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
@AntiCompositeNumber: I'm not wikilawyering, this is not a technicality, this is literally the policy. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 15:25, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
You're failing to listen. Discord does not operate under WP:CANVAS, an on-wiki policy. It operates under its own guidelines, where rule #2 forbids canvassing to deletion and review discussions. The link to canvas is informational. You were warned not to do this, not just by moderators but by multiple other participants, and you continued to do it. I do not, at this time, believe you will stop. -- ferret (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
@Ferret: I'm repealing my ban appeal, it's not worth it tbh, there are better channels of communication with other Wikipedia editors, and I'm also too sleep deprived right now to do anything. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 15:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
I will not be handling this case, but I want to agree with Anti that arguing that Please vote delete in [[Deletion discussion]] would have been bad, but Y'all are invited to [[Deletion discussion]] was ok, is an strange stance to take. Lecturing us (this isn't the first time) on what "canvassing really is" as if we have no idea and are confused isn't going to work. You were asked not to do this by moderators. Your take on what canvassing "is" doesn't matter after that. You continued, after warnings and notification that moderators had their eyes on your behavior, and the ban is the result of that. This is much like onwiki blocks, where we point to WP:GAB. You need to be appealing on the basis of what you'll do differently going forward to no longer cause disruption for the moderators. Not explain how your ban/block was wrong in your eyes. -- ferret (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
no Declined - Seddon talk 15:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
@Seddon: Already repealed the request before you declined. Not worth it, don't care. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 15:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Just noting it as the outcome of the above discussion. The order of operations doesn't matter too much. Seddon talk 15:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
You may want to read up on WP:STEALTH. I am going to edit it a bit and see if it sticks, but before my edits it said: Because it is less transparent than on-wiki notifications, the use of email or other off-wiki communication to notify editors is discouraged unless there is a significant reason for not using talk page notifications. Even if WP:STEALTH hypothetically did not exist, it is good to follow the lead of experienced Wikipedians when they are telling you that your behavior is violating a norm. Not all of our rules/practices/norms are properly documented and up to date. Sometimes you just need to read the room and trust more experienced users. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
@Novem Linguae: I think what the policy means by stealth canvassing is with private means of communication, but I may be wrong.
Yes, it does specifically mention Discord, but I think it's not about the public servers, but about public DMs.
I was not stealthy in any way about how I informed other editors about the discussion.
Anyways, this discussion is really beating a dead horse, because I repealed my request, and because Seddon already denied my request. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 04:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
but I may be wrong not only are you wrong, the fact you were explicitly asked to stop doing it should have simply been the end of it. All the argument just digs a deeper hole. In this context, "Stealth" means using any avenue other than on-wiki to bring in participation. You invited people in off-site, and did not denote that on-site. I really hope you reflect further on this interaction, because this intractableness is a fast course to issues later down the road. Although Seddon has already stated a general Decline on moderator behalf, let me make it as clear as possible: As the server operator, I will not allow an unban until I see significant change in your interactions and behavior, particularly when more experienced editors and administrators explain rules to you and you argue or double down. -- ferret (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
@Ferret: This whole discussion after me repealing my vote and Seddon declining my unban request is really beating a dead horse.
I personally disagree with you on this issue, but that doesn't matter anymore since that ship has sailed now. Let's move on with our lives, we both probably have better things to do than to participate in this discussion. I do not wish to be unbanned, and I have explicitly stated that multiple times.
I would archive this discussion if I could, but I'm not [an] uninvolved editor or administrator, so I'm not archiving it. QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 19:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ban appeal

I am duck_master#8022, and was banned from the main Discord server earlier tonight. I had been active and productive in the pure-text channels for a week or so (mainly #general and #english-wikipedia), but early tonight I decided to join a voice channel. Fellow wikimedians soon started complaining about background noise, and I was server-muted and server-deafened. After complaining about it on that voice channel's associated text channel I was briefly un-deafened, soon re-deafened, and then banned. Please unban me; I promise to continue staying productive in the Discord server and will try to use voice channels in quiet places.

Duckmather (talk) 03:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Just noting this is currently being discussed by the server's mods. Seddon talk 16:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

An Appeal

Discord Username: Paragon Deku

Contradictory information on whether or not I ought to elaborate on the nature of it here. I would appreciate a DM to hash it out. Paragon Deku (talk) 04:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

The moderation team has discussed and will not be entertaining an appeal at this time. -- ferret (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunate. Paragon Deku (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Ban Appeal

Discord username: dimensionally

I would like to appeal my ban DimensionalFusion (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

DimensionalFusion, good ban appeals generally start with you telling us what you think you were banned for and why we should believe that it won't happen again. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@GeneralNotability Ah thanks for that, WP:DISCORD just said to "make a simple post with your Discord username and that you would like to appeal" and to "not go into details"- is this outdated? DimensionalFusion (talk) 20:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@DimensionalFusion Friend request sent from @anticomposite. Please send your appeal and I will share it with the rest of the moderators. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 22:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Why was i banned?

My account discord account is Pilot1218, I was only on the discord server for about 15 minutes before I got hit with a ban, i hadn't even said anything. my only guess as to why I got banned was because of my very recent comments on WP:BFDI, which was too profanity-ridden for Wikipedia, which I apologise for. if I was banned for a different reason, please tell me why and I'll change. PilotIguess (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Blatant transphobia is not permitted. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Reappeal for me, Duckmather

I got banned about a year ago (to the month, almost!) due to an issue in the voice channel; see WT:Discord/Archive 1#Ban appeal 2 for more information. My Discord username was duck_master#8022, but following the Discord identifier removal my username is now duck_master.. Please unban me, as the original incident seems to have been forgotten. Duckmather (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Duckmather: You have been unbanned, although for now you're still not allowed in voice chat; I would recommend productively participating for a decent period of time before bringing that up. Enterprisey (talk!) 01:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I will rejoin the server shortly. I promise to stay away from voice chat. Duckmather (talk) 18:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

did i get banned?

my user is lolkikmoddzi and i wanna know if i got banned cause im not in the server, and i didn't get any dms if i was banned :/ Lolkikmoddi (message me!) 01:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you are banned. We are required to follow Discord's Terms of Service and you've indicated you are evading previous platform ban. I'm sorry but we'll not be able to provide any further assistance with this. -- ferret (talk) 01:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
like what platform bans? Lolkikmoddi (message me!) 01:41, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
I think you're quite aware, as you were the one to reveal it. As I said, I'm sorry, but we'll not be able to provide any further assistance with this. This is really the end of the topic. -- ferret (talk) 01:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Appeal

Discord username: CrafterNova#8700

I hereby appeal my bans from the main Wikimedia server and the Queer Wikimedians server, on the following grounds:

  • I regret the way I discussed controversial topics on the main Wikimedia server and the Queer Wikimedians server.
  • I don't understand how my behaviour broke the rules of these servers, how the discussion was "taking over the LGBTQ+ channel" on the main Wikimedia server, and I wish that a reasonable explanation could be given.
  • I believe I was acting in good faith, I still am acting in good faith, and all good people are still valid even if they disagree with me or the scientific consensus regarding LGBTQ+ people.
  • I can agree to refrain from such discussions if so desired.
  • I strive to support development of an environment where all good people feel safe, comfortable, valid, and accepted regardless of sex, gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, profession, religion, or anything, and aim to keep that promise forever.

— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 06:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

The main Wikimedia server declines. Queer Wikimedians does not use this page and I do not speak for them, but I made them aware. -- ferret (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
@Ferret: There need to be fair reasons for the ban. Please give at least some explanation. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 14:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
There actually doesn't "need to be", we can remove individuals for any reason at our discretion. But specifically here, this appeal itself doubled down on some positions you've taken, in both servers, that erases the identities of others within our space. We're not comfortable having that around, and won't be lifting the ban. -- ferret (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't understand how "this appeal itself doubled down on some positions" and "erases the identities of others within our space". Your discretions are finite. I don't care anymore whether my bans will be lifted or not. I will attend Wikimedia events and meetups in the future, and make friends with Wikipedians outside of Discord, including LGBTQ+ people. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 10:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Ok. -- ferret (talk) 13:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ban Appeal

Hello, my username is "_cosmic___" and I would like to appeal my ban. -- Cosmic 🍁 (T · C) 05:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cosmic6811 You've been unbanned. Much like your unblock on-site, consider this conditional in that very little leniency will be given. Make sure you give a read over the Server Guide and the rules, and if you have any questions about something feel free to ask. -- ferret (talk) 17:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you -- Cosmic6811 🍁 (T · C) 19:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ban Appeal

Hello! I randomly got banned from the discord server for an unknown reason, my reasonable guess whas my nickname or username what I have changed. Username : vstabbity KteBsh (talk) 23:55, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Ban appeal

notakitsune I would like to make an appeal Not a kitsune (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Declined. Make some edits and come back in a while. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

hello?

i was suddenly kicked out and couldn't rejoin. no notification of any ban. can i appeal this? ltbdl (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

This ban is lifted. I recommend more carefully considering your words going forward, re, your 'joke' towards scruntinners the other night. If you catch another ban for similar it's unlikely I will bother inquiring with the responsible mod. -- ferret (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Ban appeal

I have no idea why I was banned? Like I was just sleeping and woke up to find out I lost access to the discord server and I couldn't rejoin? I wasn't even notified that I was banned or given any reason. If I did break a rule, I would like to at least know what I broke so that I can apologize for it and not repeat it.

My username is alepf. – Howard🌽33 14:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This ban has been lifted, take this as a lesson in device security. Never leave devices unlocked. There are always unsuspecting individuals around. Seddon talk 13:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Huh? Did someone hack my account? – Howard🌽33 18:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

RfC to add either the laughing doge, the spanish guy, or omegalul because the default :joy: and :rofl: emojis are cheugy and redditous

ferret should give us emoji(s?) for loling about stuff in a way that is cool and hip, rather than cheugy[1], and of reddit, and also of the dumpster.

References

  1. ^ Yurieff, Kaya (February 15, 2021). "Sorry, millennials. The 😂 emoji isn't cool anymore". CNN Business. Retrieved April 7, 2021.

😂 <- this is awful. this is the one people post on facebook about how they love to buy iphones and go to the grocery store.

🤣 <- this is even worse. this is just the pits. this is the one elon musk posts underneath some ifunny meme where rick from rick and morty is saying "How Come You Drive In The Parkway But You park In the Driveway".

  • Option 1: :berk: (link) - the jovial dog whomst loves to laugh. a classic.
  • Option 2: :kekw: (link) - the spanish guy from that one video where he's telling the story about the paellas. another classic.
  • Option 3: :omegalul: (link) - the kids love this one. i think its pretty good too.
  • Option 4: :epic: () - an absolute legend, time-honored standby of posts old and new. if you werent posting this dude in 2006 i dont know what you were doing with your life. also its creative commons i guess lol that kind of rules
  • Option 5: something else (if someone says poggers theres going to be some inane politics argument about the frog so dont do that pls)
  • Option 6: we keep using the reddit-ass default emojis, and i'm forced out of desperation to use :skull: like a 40 year old man wearing skinny jeans and styling his combover into the emo swoosh -- it's not natural -- do you really want this from me?

jp×g🗯️ 13:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

All current custom emojis are taken from Commons and free to use. I do not believe options 1 through 3 are technically free. Option 4 would be fine, bother GN with it. -- ferret (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

NOTE: this isnt a real rfc because it doesnt actually have any power to bind anyone to anything. so i think i should be allowed to canvas for it jp×g🗯️ 13:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Support all with preference for Option 1, per nom. jp×g🗯️
I propose Option 7: the 🗿 and 🗿 emoji.
Okay, but seriously I think Option 4 is the only feasible option here. The other three are copyrighted or derivatives of copyrighted emotes, sadly, and they would not be allowed under the rules ferret just mentioned. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
I support option 4 and/or crops of old PD paintings and movies, because that seems to fit the spirit. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
a few days ago i was trying to find pubby dommy and/or creey commy berks actually. i will see if i can rustle some up jp×g🗯️ 21:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
hey I found poggers (shoutout to barkeep49 for finding it) Enterprisey (talk!) 06:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
This owns jp×g🗯️ 20:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the above that only 4 is feasible, but as a member of the "cool kids", it feels like staring into the annals of an archaeology museum. In any case, we currently have non-free stickers (namely Thurston Waffles, bless his soul, and variations with overlay text); a single exception to the free-images-only rule probably wouldn't hurt. In such a case, I upvote :berk: and downvote :omegalul: Chlod (say hi!) 04:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm more likely to remove the non-frees than add more, now that I'm aware. -- ferret (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
In that case, option 5/6 sounds least jarring. I just realized that we can probably use any version of the cursed laughing emoji (as there are numerous with varying eye distance or teardrop size), as that's just an eerie amalgamation (derivation) of the and emojis from the Twemoji set, which is freely licensed. It's still free, and it's a more modern alternative to :epic:. In any case, I'm not totally invested in the outcome of this discussion; feel free to skip over this. Chlod (say hi!) 16:03, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Nonfree emojis/stickers have been removed. Several of the 718smiley set added. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
  • @Ferret: $5 says you just made up this nonfree emoji policy on the spot but i accept this judgment and it's also funny and tbh rather based. i appreciate having the ersatz poggers and i will get looking for a freely licensed berk jp×g🗯️ 22:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
    No, it was the intent all along from the start. A very small handful of nonfrees came in from a different system admin. -- ferret (talk) 22:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ban appeal

My username is dimensionally; I'd like to appeal my ban. I never recieved any response on my previous appeal 5 months ago, so I assume it was denied. Thanks! ~~~~ DimensionalFusion (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The moderators have discussed and are declining. -- ferret (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Ban appeal

Discord username is the_goonch123.SouthParkFan65 (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Friend request sent. Please send me the details of your appeal. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 00:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Unban request

My account (username: cptviraj) was compromised, fixed now, please unban, thanks! -- CptViraj (talk) 14:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CptViraj: could you please verify that you have reset your password and reviewed your "Authorized Apps" in your account settings (removing anything that you don't recognize or don't trust)? Just making sure :) 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 14:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
@0xDeadbeef: Yes, I have. -- CptViraj (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
@CptViraj I've unbanned you, you should now be able to re-join. Sam Walton (talk) 14:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Ban appeal

After a few ban appeals on this talk page, I'm ready to finally get my nearly 2-year-old ban case done with in private. I have a lot to talk about now, and it's been bugging me for the past couple of months. My username is luxtay. Luxtay the IInd (talketh to me) 15:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Noting awareness of appeal. -- ferret (talk) 17:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2024

Please add a {{shortcut}} on top for WP:DISCORD. 221.168.37.223 (talk) 06:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done as the shortcut has been around for a while. ― novov (t c) 07:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Good Faith

I was posting on Discord in good faith. I requested ferret use discretion and understanding. I request a server unban. -- Sleyece (talk) 00:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Declined. Good faith is not a get out of jail free card to be disruptive and refuse to listen to moderators. We gave good faith. You exhausted it with a battleground mentality. -- ferret (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
I respect your decision, and I request that you change your mind when the election is over considering the contextual conditions of the issue. -- Sleyece (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
There are no contextual conditions to the decision, it does not relate to the U4C election. You have repeatedly declared you know policies better than moderators and admins and make them 'eat their words' and 'prove them wrong', even when presented with evidence to the contrary. We are not interested in this. You'll have to find other avenues of communication. -- ferret (talk) 01:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
I am making the request because the election is very stressful, and I'm trying my best in it. I had no issues on Discord prior to becoming a candidate, and I told ELECTCOM they can remove my candidacy at any time. They are currently meeting on my request. I sincerely apologize if I hurt your feelings or offended you in any way. My intention was only to post within the guidelines of the Server. I requested that you explain why my mentality is poor in comparison to the Civility Policy I was using. That is the context. You were very comfortable and friendly with me yesterday. I don't know what changed, but all I requested was an explanation. You said that there was a "battleground mentality", but you were patient with me and friendly until like 2-3 minutes before your decision, and it was directly related to the election. Also, candidates are supposed to be allowed to campaign. -- Sleyece (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

shortcut?

I expected WP:DISCORD to link to a policy/guideline page or consensus-discussion about the reliability of, the linking to, or the citing of, Discord. Can anybody point me to that which I'm actually looking for? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 15:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Fourthords Discord is a purely WP:USERG platform so by definition anything on it is unreliable. That said, and someone else will have to find it for me, there is an RfC on the VP that resulted in the linking of Discord messages being viewed as an OUTING issue and should not be done. -- ferret (talk) 15:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 169#Discord logs, I think, for the outing RFC. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:USERG is complicated by WP:ABOUTSELF, though, which says they "may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they are established experts in the field". That section specifically calls out Facebook, LinkedIn, Reddit, Tumblr, and Twitter as acceptable. Discord, though, is a sort of private chat room, and lacks the access and transparency (and more) of those other services, and we thereby cannot know that any given self-publisher is actually who's being identified. Is there any consensus (codified or not) that contends with these issues? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
As you said, Discord lacks a real system of user verification, so I would think it would be extremely difficult to properly use it as a primary source. I am thinking you'll want to move this to WP:RSN or some similar area for more opinions. -- ferret (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Definitely where I'm going next; I just came here thinking surely it'd been addressed before. Cheers, all. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 20:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Facebook, LinkedIn, Reddit, Tumblr, and Twitter don't have a real system of user verification either, and even if they did, why would we trust it? The principle we apply to those other platforms is that if @JohnSmith is widely believed to be John Smith, we can take that as a given.
My immediate reaction is that citing Discord would be absurd, but thinking about it, I can't see any meaningful difference between it and other social media platforms that we allow under WP:SOCIALMEDIA. Discord chat rooms are, unless configured otherwise, public (which is why the outing RfC was always completely absurd, but I digress) and such constitute (self-) published information. You have to set up an account and accept their Terms of Service to see the information, but that is also true of Facebook, JSTOR, your local university library, and many other perfectly acceptable sources. Difficulty of access is not something that disqualifies something as a source either; again see Facebook, JSTOR, your local university library... Discord can't possibly be a good source—if you can only source something to there, is it really WP:DUE?—but technically it is permissable under the existing guidelines at WP:SOCIALMEDIA. – Joe (talk) 08:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
@Joe Roe I could see a few rare cases where a developer or personality might use their own 'official' Discord server for communication, but I would think in most of those cases we could find a better social media if the news/info is actually DUE as well. -- ferret (talk) 19:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Unban request

We're not going to argue with you. Try in six months with a record of community involvement or move on. -- ferret (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

My dc username is young_robert. I made a joke which was not taken well, i didn't mean any harm and was just trying to be funny. i'm sorry and please unban me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rovi9805 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Declined. We have no space for people who make nazi jokes. -- ferret (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
i really didn't mean it like that, i have been reading about biological warfare and kurt blome was on my mind. i apologize, and was only joking Rovi9805 (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Will this be permanent or is it timed? I only want to read and contriubte in the biology projects in discord Rovi9805 (talk) 17:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Bans are permanent. You can try to appeal again in six months with a solid track record of editing. There is little reason for us to unban someone who makes nazi jokes who isn't even editing. -- ferret (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Why do you keep saying "nazi jokes"? You're trying to make it sound worse than it is Rovi9805 (talk) 20:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
You make a joking reference to Kurt Blome. Per our article, "Kurt Blome (31 January 1894 – 10 October 1969) was a high-ranking Nazi scientist" who "participated in chemical and biological warfare experiments on concentration camp inmates". It's not ferret making you look bad here. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Specifically saying "jokes" making it sound like there were multiple instances. The funny thing is that I read about him as a MKUltra (USA) scientist and didn't intend any Nazi association, but here I am permanently banned for "we have no space for people who make nazi jokes" Rovi9805 (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
The fact that you keep trying to argue that this wasn't that bad is not helping you any, especially given that you're not even really an active editor (5 of your 12 edits are to this page). If I were you, I would take ferret's incredibly lenient suggestion above that you can re-appeal in six months with an actual track record of edits. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Why should I have to be an avid editor to connect with other people who share my passion of biology Wikipedia? Rovi9805 (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
If you cannot accept our conditions, please don't bother replying or appealing further. The server exists to further collaboration between editors, not to use the offtopic channel to ask about Turing awards and make a nazi joke. -- ferret (talk) 03:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Are the conditions "You can try to appeal again in six months with a solid track record of editing" offered to all banned Discord members, or is it an offer exclusive for "Rovi9805"? -- Sleyece (talk) 03:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
The condition for you is that you commit to not behaving in the manner that got you banned in the first place: arguing, wikilawyering, declaring you know better than the mods who wrote the server policies, and generally exhausting the patience of everyone in the server. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, of course I commit to it. I did not fully understand the WP:LAWYER policy prior to April 7, and ferret has personally aided in my better understanding of it in the ensuing days. I've stricken much of my last statement from April 7 on this page for context. -- Sleyece (talk) 08:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
just a question, is a perma IP ban with 6 month appeal for MKultra joke/asking about the turing award documented anywhere or did you guys just make that up special for me? Rovi9805 (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Appeal

My username on Discord is the same as my Wikipedia handle, and wish for someone to reach out so as to come to an understanding for what happened leading up to my ban. Akaibu (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I am willing to discuss, but you have made less than 20 edits since your ban in February, so unless there are extenuating circumstances, we are unlikely to unban right now. I have sent you a friend request to enable me to DM you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Unable to Join!

Hey, my Discord ID is "wiki_grabup." I joined the Discord server, but now I can't see it on my app, and I'm unable to rejoin the server. Could you please tell me what went wrong? GrabUp - Talk 12:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup You were banned. This relates to the issues surrounding your current partial blocks, as you came into the server to further that same conflict through friend requests and direct messages to multiple people. -- ferret (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
I just messaged Josh to apologize and make things better. I explained to him why I suddenly started doing this. My intention was not to bother him at all. I didn't message anyone else, just sent friend requests to 3 others whom I know. Anyways I respect the ban. GrabUp - Talk 03:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 10 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. a WP:SNOW case (non-admin closure) JuniperChill (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Discord → Wikipedia:Wikimedia Community Discord – Almost all of this page concerns a single Discord server, referred to as the 'Wikimedia Community Discord'. But #Other servers lists at least ten other servers specifically targetting the English Wikipedia plus many more within the wider Wikimedia movement. All of these are community-organised and it doesn't seem like any of them is more 'official' than the others. So why is WCD singled out for special treatment here? I suggest we move this page to Wikipedia:Wikimedia Community Discord and turn Wikipedia:Discord into either a disambiguation or information page listing all the existing servers. – Joe (talk) 07:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Joe, do you believe there is any confusion here? "WCD" as you put it is the primary English Wikipedia server. This really isn't in question, I don't think. None of the other servers listed here deal with English Wikipedia in a broad and general sense, but they are clearly denoted all the same. -- ferret (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
In what sense is it "primary"? – Joe (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
In that there is no other community server that deals with English Wikipedia and its various WikiProjects in general. This is the oldest and larger (by far) server. All other servers are for various tools or subject specific areas. -- ferret (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Don't you think the fact that it's been preferentially advertised on-wiki might have a role in that? Readers of this page have to scroll past a big blue join button, a how-to guide, and full lists of rules, channels, bots, groups, moderators, and userboxes for your server before there's even an acknowledgement that others exist. As I understand it, anyone can create a Discord server quite easily, so supporting individual groups of Wikipedians to create them for their specific areas of interest seems much more in keeping with how we usually do things (you already mentioned WikiProjects, which have the same model). Instead, this page gives undue prominence to one alternative of many, controlled by just two people (one being you). – Joe (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm confident that actually being embedded in community pages, by the community at large, has been a component of its growth. That does not change the fact that it is the only community server with a direct focus on English Wikipedia in general. No one has arrived at WP:Discord and thought, "Darn, I was expecting to see this was for WikiLoop DoubleCheck, but instead its focused on a server for English Wikipedia."
As for the administrative control of the server, this is a condition of any such platform, no different than IRC with its limited group contacts. I'm more than open to feedback if you feel my stewardship of the server is lacking or somehow harmful.
If you are concerned that other narrow-focused servers do not have enough visibility, we can also move them higher in the page. But I truly do not believe anyone is being misled or confused by the current arrangement. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
You rewrote some of your statement as I replied. The above was written in response to Special:Diff/1228311404. I've not edited it in response to your edits. -- ferret (talk) 15:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not saying that anyone has been confused or misled. The rationale for this proposed move is that this page gives undue prominence to your server. Mentioning the alternatives earlier would address part of that problem, but not do anything about the massive disparity in textual weight (i.e. 1400 words for WCD; one list entry each for the other ten). Moving this page and creating a disambiguation page or index in its place would solve the whole problem. I imagine you could still be first on the list, if that's what's worrying you. – Joe (talk) 15:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I would call it a WP:DUEWEIGHT issue. If one thing is demonstrably the primary server in user numbers and overall coverage why wouldn't it be the primary topic listed here? Is your thought that if the page was moved and the list adjusted that the Ultraviolet server would all of a sudden see a huge influx of people? Or that this is somehow siphoning people away from these other servers? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Since this is not an article, I see the issue as analogous to but not quite the same as a WP:DUEWEIGHT one: it's more a question of fairness in how we describe external services. I don't use any of these servers and don't care how many users they have now or in future. However, pages in the project namespace shouldn't be used to promote one competing service over another. – Joe (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
PEPSI is an essay, that you wrote no less than 8 months ago, but that aside, we (a general we of the whole community) aren't promoting one competing service over another here. There is one primary general-interest community server at this time, and several (listed) satellite servers for various focused interests. PEPSI also doesn't advise to remove such mentions (which you did earlier), but to simply provides guidance to ensure alternatives are listed where possible... which they are. -- ferret (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes I know, I'm not old enough to forget things I did eight months ago. I'm linking it here so I don't have to write out the reasoning again. That's what essays are for.
This page is quite clearly promoting one service (the Wikimedia Community Discord) over others (however many other Wikipedia-related Discord servers are out there) and I don't understand how you possibly claim otherwise. The alternatives are listed, yes... at the very end, after a full page about your server. That might seem fair to you, but maybe let's hear from someone who isn't also one of the main beneficiaries of that promotion, eh? – Joe (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Joe, sincerely, do you really believe I see this as a "my server" issue? I happen to sit in the technical-required ownership spot (and wasn't the first). I take that role seriously though, is all. If the community demands I hand it to another, I will. Is there anything enforcing that beyond my word? No, but I'm a sysop and checkuser in good standing, so I hope that holds some degree of trust. Please temper suggestions I might be arguing from a place of self-interest. -- ferret (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
There's also a discussion at Template talk:Header navbar community that could use some more eyes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose Registering my personal oppose per arguments made above. As already denoted but for full disclosure, I operate the server. -- ferret (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I like the bike shed the color it is. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • oppose: ferret says it best ... sawyer * he/they * talk 18:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I helped to start one of the "other servers" and don't see a problem with the current setup. There's one big multipurpse server applicable to enwiki broadly and a bunch of more specific servers dedicated to specific projects, affiliates, or sub-communities. I don't see a problem with the former being the first one people encounter. In fact, if someone is looking for a general purpose English Wikipedia Discord server, they shouldn't find the e.g. WikiNYC or Ultraviolet server at the top of the list. They're not in competition -- they serve other purposes. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Nope, however perhaps a top note that this project page is primarily about the Wikimedia Community Discord, and link down that #other_servers exist. — xaosflux Talk 18:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
    Maybe a {{nutshell}}. — xaosflux Talk 19:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
    I started to do this but decided to let this discussion go first. It has my support for what that is worth. -- ferret (talk) 19:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • (talk page watcher) Oppose, as someone who owns and moderates, respectively, two servers in the "Other servers" list. Besides what Rhodo and Ferret have already said, to call other servers a "competing service" is a bit incorrect — being a member of "WCD" is not mutually exclusive with being a member of the other servers. The "server" terminology isn't even accurate; different "servers" are not on different "servers". Discord users can join multiple Wikimedia-related servers as long as it suits their interest, and leave whichever ones they no longer want to be in; all of this with relative ease. Chlod (say hi!) 19:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Novem and SFR. Waste of time with zero benefit. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose – this is the only English Wikipedia community server that's listed. If someone else creates a new one that covers all of English Wikipedia, this RM would have some amount of merit, but even then I think it would be better to rework the page than move it. As-is, if we want to make the other servers more visible, that can be done by reworking the page. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • From an organizational perspective, personally I feel the best structure is to have a general page with common information about Discord and a directory of servers and their channels, and information specific to one server or channel contained on separate pages (perhaps subpages). isaacl (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose I think it's time we declare this channel as an official, it has far the most acitivity and users.--A09|(talk) 22:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unban request

N0mz_ on discord. I get why I got banned like a year ago but I've made some pretty significant contributions. NomzEditingWikis (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you should speak about why you got banned and what has supposedly changed since then @NomzEditingWikis? You've had very sporadic activity on wiki and it's not clear how engaging with other members of the community on Discord might be beneficial. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I got banned for vandalism, but I just want to connect with other people working on similar things to me NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
did you just ban my alt lmao NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@NomzEditingWikis: You're welcome to follow up on Discord (my user is heymanimjosh) to make it simpler if you prefer... but it's never a good thing to evade a ban, while simultaneously asking to be unbanned. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Unbanned with a reminder to read server rules thoroughly and to read the pins in the channels. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote?

As was discussed a couple months ago, this page could be reached by someone looking for a guideline or policy on the reliability of citing Discord logs as a source. Should there be a note on top of the page pointing users to the relevant RSN discussion or WP:SOCIALMEDIA? Reconrabbit 20:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Unable to Join

Error message saying link was disabled or expired or something to that effect. I don't remember leaving the server in the first place; it must have been an accidental leave or a kick by an admin. Bremps... 07:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Server logs say you left, can you try to rejoin now and see if it works? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I've resolved the issue and have DM'd you sent a friend request so that I can DM you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Waiting on appeal decision?

Hello. A year ago I was banned from the Discord. I opened an appeal which was never resolved and at the time told to cool off for a few days after what I had perceived to be personal attacks. It's been over a year now—can I be unbanned? Discord username is Dorktoast. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 07:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Reading that, it looks like it was never resolved because of you and a fundamental misunderstanding of why you were banned / an unwillingness to accept full responsibility. Being that the server is a place for collaboration and not just for socialization, and you've only made four edits in the past year, I'm not really seeing why you even want to appeal. I'm not really inclined to support an unban if you haven't demonstrated you're productive and proven you can behave. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
The appeal stalled primarily because you simply did not answer, so I'll repost the last question: Are you willing to drop any accusations made against other users in the server, and any requests for non-interaction made to other users in the server? Our space is not compatible with someone who refuses to listen, accusing anyone who provides advice / replies you disagree with of attacking / harassing you, and demanding that individuals you don't like not use the chat room when you're present. -- ferret (talk) 13:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I was kicked/banned from the Discord server again.

Today I was kicked from the Discord server again. I tried to rejoin but could not. (I was previously banned from 2022 but then rejoined in 2023.)

Could someone let me back in or explain why I was kicked?

Duckmather (talk) 22:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Duckmather: After discussion, you've been unbanned. It seems you were the victim of a technical glitch in which it appeared as though you spammed a poll 20-30+ times. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
@Hey man im josh: Thanks for the quick reply! I was really worried I accidentally pissed off everyone in Wikimedia again and would have to take an enforced wikibreak. (If I'm come off as too abrasive or rude to anyone, just let me know on my talk page.) Duckmather (talk) 05:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Shortcuts

WP:DISCORD and WP:DISCORDSERVER are not shorter than WP:Discord. Why list them? Nardog (talk) 02:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I've never quite understood why they were added. -- ferret (talk) 02:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Less of a shortcut and more of handling common ways to access this page. Leaderboard (talk) 09:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Visible all-caps links is a form of Wikipedia jargon. Jargon can be useful when it provides a compact way to refer to a frequently used concept. In this case, though, the redirect isn't any more compact, so I don't think its use should be actively encouraged. isaacl (talk) 17:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
I think it'd be reasonable to list WP:DISCORD as a shortcut. Although I understand that some users might find this redundant, since WP: automatically expands out to Wikipedia:, making the shortcut the same name as the page. I'm not gonna lose sleep if it's kept off the page though. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Ban appeal

Hello! I'm angerxiety, discord id 738447190527180891. I was banned about a year ago from the Discord which I inquired about here. I held off from submitting any ban appeals from then as per this talk's main page. "...moderators expect to see a recent and consistent history of good content contributions before considering appeals."

Responding to eariler comments

"The issue is that you didn't think what you put there was problematic at all. And if you deflect and cannot express why it was problematic, we can't trust it won't happen again." I fully understand that putting lyrics from a Nazi military march was especially problematic, considering it was placed in my about me/bio. Since it was placed in my about me/bio, it seemed to outside users that I expressed, participated or supported Nazi thought, which is completely incorrect.

"...and if so, can you elaborate on the meaning of it?" The reason I had the song lyrics in my bio I do not remember fully. All I can really say about that is back then I enjoyed German and these type of songs (military marches), which I expressed quite wrongly by using them in my about me.

"but in that case I'd also be interested in why you changed it." I stated this previously in the talk page section, although I believe the stated reason is erroneous. The true reason I changed it was due to a recognition of guilt after user Enterprisey had reminded me what I put in my about me. This also plays back to what user ferret said, which is that I didn't think the content I put in my about me was problematic. I recognize now that putting such content in a space intended to show information about a user is very problematic and forces assumptions from other users about me as a person. I will reiterate that I do not express, participate or support Nazi thought.

Recent contributions

Ever since May 19, 2023, I've made tiny but decent contributions to a few English Wikipedia articles, such as Nutaku, Saikhom Mirabai Chanu, Patrick Breyer, and George Arents/George Arents III. I'm much more active in the Simple Wikipedia, where I've made a bit more contributions as well as created a few articles. Angerxiety 19:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

This is under discussion. Leaderboard (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
A discussion among moderators resulted in a consensus to decline. -- ferret (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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