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01:46, 2 September 2024 review of submission by Fatorious music entertainment

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creativity💃 and innovation Fatorious music entertainment (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not even know to begin with this. Do I address the fact you are submitting draft articles with the same title as your username, indicating a violation of WP:PROMO? Or the fact you submitted a blank sandbox for consideration by AFC? Frankly I feel like your behaviour indicates that you are not here to build an encyloapedia, so I'd stop while you're ahead. Please do not keep trying to get promotional material for your company posted, this is not the appropropriate place. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:59, 2 September 2024 review of submission by ABastol

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I would like to publish good article in Wikipedia, for that I need advice to write a good article ABastol (talk) 08:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This draft is an essay, not an encyclopedia article. Please see Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it is not the only or even best way one can contribute. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:25, 2 September 2024 review of submission by Wikirobag

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Hi, I've made modification in order my draft to fit wikipedia's recommendations but I did not get updates on this, would you mind letting me know if this draft can be updated ? Thanks a lot! Wikirobag (talk) 12:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikirobag: I'm not sure what you mean by "updates", but just to say that you haven't resubmitted this draft since your edits, therefore it isn't in the pending pool awaiting another review. If you would like it to be reviewed again, you need to click on that blue 'resubmit' button. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:25, 2 September 2024 review of submission by AyanPlush

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I have to make this page because I have to spread awareness to other people about doxxing or mocking religions that someone follows AyanPlush (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AyanPlush: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AyanPlush: That is not what Wikipedia is for. And we can't use Wikitubia as a source (no editorial oversight) - especially not for biographical claims - even if it were all properly sourced. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
then how do people make things huh. just randomly type in some basic knowledge and gets approved while I am working so hard and get rejected. There are people who work hard. Just approve it AyanPlush (talk) 19:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not lead, it follows. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wise words... good job motivating me AyanPlush (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, there are places to do what it is you are trying to do, Wikipedia isn't one of them. 331dot (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ill try to do my best. For now on. I'll be using Wikitubia or Wikipedia AyanPlush (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:36, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 41.223.73.224

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How can I make my article accepted 41.223.73.224 (talk) 16:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have zero usable sources. This is not acceptable for any article, let alone one on a living person. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:05, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 41.223.73.177

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My article was rejected 41.223.73.177 (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, because there isn't the slight suggestion of, let alone evidence for, notability of any flavour. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And please don't start a new thread with each question or comment, just add to the existing one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Starting to write an article without first finding several high-quality sources is like starting to build a house without first surveying the plot to check that it is suitable to build on: it will quite possibly fall down, and all your work will be wasted. ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:29, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51

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in my opinion, my article was good, i used a known wikipipedia article, to be sure that the lay-out was correct, enough references, an biografy, career , so i don't know what else i can do that my article would be accepted 2A02:A03F:85FD:8100:7D21:1545:5AFE:8A51 (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have provided no evidence that they pass WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR? Theroadislong (talk) 20:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rat World is basically a one person operation run by Jennifer Cheuk, with help of a designer/business helper. Although the article says a few nice things about Wills, it is not a reliable source and it is not significant coverage. Cullen328 (talk) 21:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your first reference is to a promotional show business page that she controls. That is not an independendent source. Your second reference is to a YouTube video clip, which is not a reliable source, not independent of Wills and not significant coverage of Wills. What is required here are references to multiple reliable sourced that are fully independent of Wills and devote significant coverage to Wills. Cullen328 (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appearing in five episodes of a soap opera with over 7,900 episodes is not a major role. Cullen328 (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:32, 2 September 2024 review of submission by 2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122

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Thank you for your feedback regarding the submission of the Wikipedia article for Randal Wells. I appreciate the guidelines provided on the notability of music-related topics, and I would like to respectfully request reconsideration of this submission based on additional context and references.

Notability and Significant Coverage:

BMI Recognition: Randal Wells, formerly known as Random Wright, was recognized by Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI), a major American music rights organization, as a "Know Them Now" artist. This designation is not merely a passing mention but a significant recognition of emerging talent in the music industry. BMI's acknowledgment of Randal Wells positions him among artists who are considered influential in shaping contemporary music.

MTV's Making the Band 4: Randal Wells' participation in MTV’s Making the Band 4 provided him with national exposure and led to his transition from local to national recognition. The show, produced by Sean Combs (P. Diddy), was a significant platform that launched the careers of several artists who are now notable figures in the music industry. Wells' inclusion in this show underscores his relevance and notability within the entertainment industry.

Legislative Impact in Florida: Randal Wells’ work as the President of Florida's State Youth Advisory Board led to the successful lobbying for the "Road to Independence Act," which extended benefits for foster youth. This legislative achievement is documented in Florida's legislative archives and recognized by various child welfare organizations. This work highlights his impact beyond the music industry and his significant role in advocacy.

Media Coverage: Randal Wells has been featured in multiple reputable media outlets:

FOX LA's Community Champions: Wells was honored for his contributions to foster care advocacy and his work in the entertainment industry. The recognition from a major news outlet like FOX LA provides significant coverage of his impact.

ThisIsRnB and Singersroom: Both platforms have featured in-depth articles on Wells, discussing his music and his journey. These articles provide more than just passing mentions, offering detailed coverage of his career and influence. Recording Academy and Grammy Awards: Randal Wells, under his former name Random Wright, has been featured by the Recording Academy and has appeared at the Grammy Awards, with his image being captured and distributed by Getty Images. His connection with the Recording Academy, combined with his Grammy appearance, further cements his notability within the music industry.

Request for Consideration: Given the significant recognition by BMI, national exposure through MTV, impactful advocacy work documented by the state of Florida, and detailed media coverage in reputable sources, I believe that Randal Wells meets the criteria for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines. I have provided reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject and demonstrate substantial coverage of his achievements.

I kindly request that the submission be reconsidered with the above context in mind. Randal Wells' contributions to both music and foster care advocacy are notable, and his story is one of resilience, creativity, and impact. His inclusion in Wikipedia would provide valuable information to those seeking to learn about artists and advocates who have significantly influenced their fields.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Randal Wells 2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122 (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Attempting to write an autobiography is strongly discouraged and almost never successful. Your draft is highly self-promotional and your post here is highly self-promotional. Promotion, advertising, marketing, public relations and all similar behaviors are not permitted on Wikipedia. Please post this content on social media platforms, not on this encyclopedia, because the neutral point of view is a core content policy here. Cullen328 (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have had the article edited by a 3rd party as to not indicate bias. If someone says they have passed legislation, appeared on film and television, musical works are being played on television, and released multiple musical projects, I'm not understanding how that does not qualify as reputable or self promotion. It just seems like bias to not publish. 2603:8000:BE00:373E:B85F:3CE4:B6BF:2122 (talk) 22:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone working under your direction is tantamount to you doing the edits yourself. I will look at your sources shortly. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
The only sources that do anything are related to the KITS awards, and even then they're so lacking they're effectively useless. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You write I have had the article edited by a 3rd party as to not indicate bias and yet your draft still contains overtly promotional language like Born in Bridgeport, Connecticut, Wells overcame a tumultuous childhood in the foster care system to become a recognized artist and passionate community activist and His persistence paid off and Wells found solace in music, writing, and singing as a way to escape the difficulties of his reality and His persistence paid off and which was well-received and highlighted his journey through the music industry and fueled his passion for advocacy and he played a pivotal part in lobbying for and passing a law. If reliable, independent sources discuss your tumultuous childhood and your passion and your persistence and your solace and the difficulties of your reality and your persistence paying off and that your music was well received and that you are on a journey through the music industry and that you played a pivotal part in passing legislation, then why aren't there references to reliable sources saying all those things in the draft? Otherwise, it comes off as if you are trying to tell your life story in this encyclopedia, and that is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. That is the purpose of social media instead. So, your 3rd party seems unable to detect self-promotional content that experienced Wikipedia editors can detect in one minute. Cullen328 (talk) 03:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:05, 2 September 2024 review of submission by Mickfir

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The draft for this page has been repeatedly denied due to "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions)" - This is an independent film - the references in the draft include 2 links to independent news articles. All other references rely primarily on IMDB pages. There are references that make use of the film's official website, however these are almost always supported by IMDB links too. Other than IMDB and independent news articles, I fail to see what else can validate this film's existence. I fear the reviewer who has denied this draft has not taken the time to accurately read through the supplied sources. Mickfir (talk) 22:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mickfir: We can't use IMDb (no editorial oversight). Your other sources are the production studio (useless for notability: connexion to subject) and two non-sequiturs. You have no in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-film news/review sources that discuss the film at length, are written by identifiable authors, and subject to fact-checking and editorial oversight, and so you don't have anything to base an article off of. A plot synopsis is not an article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 22:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will adding more independent news articles that explicitly mention the film help? Or will they too be ignored (as the current two have so far) ? 203.214.60.17 (talk) 23:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mere mentions will not work. They need to discuss the film at length. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, the claim IMDB references are unacceptable - is dubious. For example, the 4th reference on Avengers Endgame is and IMDB citation.
Avengers: Endgame#References Mickfir (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that reference is to the IMDb-owned Box Office Mojo, as should be obvious by actually looking at the link. Box Office Mojo is considered a reliable source for box office receipts. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 01:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mickfir, notable films have almost always been extensively reviewed by professional film critics and those reviews have been published in newspapers and magazines that routinely run movie reviews. This film came out only three weeks ago. Perhaps it is too soon at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
-- Like its parent company IMDB, Box office mojo, by its own admission, gets its data from " film studios, distributors, sales agents" (https://help.imdb.com/article/imdbpro/industry-research/box-office-mojo-by-imdbpro-faq/GCWTV4MQKGWRAUAP?ref_=mojo_ftr_help#) - All of which have a vested interest in the films promotion and maximizing its profits. An objection to the above draft was due to the film's production studio being cited. If studio/ (other conflict of interest parties) sources are unacceptable, this should also apply to box office mojo.
-- The claim that three of Fiji's largest domestic news organizations are "not independent" "have no editorial oversight nor fact checking" seems at best somewhat ethnocentric in judgement. It seems the lack of 'western' sources is the real issue here.
As for the "at length" point, the three sources constitute almost 500 words dedicated to the film as well as a full nationally broadcast TV segment.
Nationally broadcast TV segment (later clipped for youtube. The link cannot be sent here - Video title " FIJI ONE NEWS 130824 at 13:26 timecode" on the Fiji One News Channel.
Fiji Television was founded on the 15th of June, 1994 as the first permanent commercial television broadcasting network in Fiji.
https://fijilive.com/film-industry-development-prioritised-in-ndp/
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance Hon. Professor Biman Prasad highlighted this at the premiere launch of a locally shot and produced movie "Langha Phobia" themed "Trust and respect in a marriage" at Life Cinema in Nakasi. Professor Prasad acknowledged the Director, Producer and the entire cast and crew for the collective efforts, dedication, and hard work for bringing the vison to life. "Interestingly, every movie by Mr. Vimal Reddy has an authentic Fijian flavour with strong social messages that resonate with the local audience, culture and breaking barriers in society" Professor Prasad said.
https://www.fijitimes.com.fj/training-locals-a-priority-prof-prasad/
Finance Minister Professor Biman Prasad (left) at the launch of a locally-shot and produced movie, Langha Phobia at Nakasi's Life Cinema last Friday. Picture: FIJI GOVERNMENT Prof Prasad said at the launch of a locally-shot and produced movie Langha Phobia at Nakasi’s Life Cinema last Friday, that Fiji was becoming a preferred production location in the world.
https://www.pressreader.com/fiji/the-fiji-times/20240805/281930253259948
The Fiji Times By ELENA VUCUKULA 5 Aug 2024
NADROGA born and Australia-based film director Vimal Reddy is back with another locally produced movie Langha Phobia which will be screening at the Life Cinema in Nadi on August 12. It is Reddy's fourth movie after Adhura Sapna, Ghar Pardes and Highway to Suva. A former high school teacher and accountant, Mr Reddy said the movie had an interesting concept. The theme of the movie is about trust and respect in a marriage and what one should be doing to make sure that your marriage is success- full," he said. "The main thing about this movie is that all cast members are local. "Either they are former Fijian residents or cur- rently living in Fiji. (We hope that the audiences would love to see this movie in Fiji. "It's a very good entertainment and two hours of fun, emotions and drama." Mr Reddy said the messages in the movie revolved around issues of depression and mental illness. "How we can avoid this by talking to people and discussing your problems rather than staying quiet. (So, there are a lot of good messages in the movie. "But at the same time the movie is made for entertainment.) Mr Reddy said all his movies were based on Fiji stories and about migrants from Fiji. "This is my fourth movie, my first movie was released in 2007 which is Adhura Sapna, and then Ghar Pardes, Highway to Suva and now Langha Phobia. So, we do some movie shooting in Fiji and some in overseas. "Adhura Sapna and Highway to Suva was basically shot in Fiji." He said after the special screening of Langha Pho- bia on August 12, the movie will be released in all cinemas in Fiji on September 12. The world premiere of Langha Phobia will be held at the Life Cinema in Nakasi on August 9 which will be officiated by the Minister of Finance Pro- fessor Biman Prasad Mickfir (talk) 11:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I said nothing about either Fijian news source having no editorial oversight. What I said was that both sources were non-sequiturs - as in, they don't even mention, let alone discuss, Langha Phobia. And Box Office Mojo has been discussed at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and deemed reliable solely for box office figures. Your argument on that is akin to saying we should deprecate The A.V. Club simply because it's owned and operated by an entity we wouldn't consider reliable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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