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01:26, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Eva Jacinto

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Hello, I have multiple questions: 1. How can I ask someone to proofread my draft in order to be sure it fits all the requirements? 2. I cannot upload a photo. How can I prove I have permission to upload it? 3. There is an error about soft hyphen which I can’t solve 4. I am interested in translating this page, if it becomes a deputed by wikipedia, to Portuguese and English. I am not finding how to do it 5. Could someone give me a structure or an example of a biographical page that works well?

Sorry for such a long message. Thank you in advance Eva Jacinto 

Eva Jacinto (talk) 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eva Jacinto: In order:
  1. You do that by submitting it for review. "Pre-reviews" are inherently meaningless. (That being said, we wouldn't even begin to attempt to do this as this draft is in Spanish; the English-language Wikipedia will not accept content written in the Spanish language.)
  2. You don't, because you having permission means absolutely nothing. Permission is needed by the entity hosting the photo, and Wikipedia will never seek or use such permission.
  3. "soft hyphen" is a phrase I have never seen before today, so I have no context for this error.
  4. See WP:Translation. Note that this implies you're translating from the Spanish-language Wikipedia (es.wikipedia.org).
  5. Any Good or Featured class biography will work for this, but since we're discussing a living person here (where special rules apply) the closest example would be a Good or Featured BLP. Martin Rundkvist seems a good example.
—Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Soft hyphen is used to indicate where a word should be divided, if it needs to be divided, and will only display then. I come across this in Finnish, where long compound words are common, so the editors insert soft hyphens to indicate possible locations where to divide the word onto two lines. They are invisible, so are hard to detect, but can be found by moving the cursor through the word in question one letter at a time. When you find a location where trying to move the cursor doesn't seem to move it, that's where the soft hyphen is (so in reality, moving the cursor does move it, it just moves it past the invisible hyphen). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. Eva Jacinto (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your great help.
Still don’t catch how to put a photo. Eva Jacinto (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please forget about photos until you have made a draft that has any chance of being acceptable as an article - which yours does not, because you have written it WP:BACKWARDS. You are in the position of somebody who does not (yet) know anything about how to build a house, but has put up a frame that is about to fall down, and is asking how to install windows.
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.. ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your didactical answer (even though not encouraging).
I didn’t submit any article, just working on it. I understood that sandbox works as a testing room, a space where we can work slowly. Am I wrong?
Every time I ask things I get a better idea how wikipedia works. It’s almost impossible to read all the articles that wikipedia offers to teach people how to contribute.
Contribution: that is what I am trying to do with a subject that interests to thousands and thousands of people, whom would like to search and find a neutral and clarifying article. I hope you can help me on that.
With such rigorous policies I wonder why there are so many bad articles in wikipedia.
Thank you again Eva Jacinto (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

01:30, 18 July 2024 review of submission by GokuSS400

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So I noticed that unlike other modern Kamen Rider series, Gotchard did not have an episode list publicly available on wiki so I tried to submit one. However I'm told that the page doesn't have enough reliable sources (45), and that all of the sources being from the same source/place is not enough and thus the page requires more. In this specific case all sources are from the Japanese tv network TV Asashi, which is the network that Kamen Rider airs on. However I've looked at all the pages for the other Reiwa Era Kamen Rider shows and each of their episode list pages without exception cite only from Tv Asashi. So I'm confused here as to why there seems to be different standards, and what I should look for to improve this article, especially given the series is very near to its end. GokuSS400 (talk) 01:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GokuSS400 You have made a common mistake for inexperienced users in that you based what you wrote on other articles; that is not usually a good idea, see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles have the same issues as your draft and you would be unaware of that as an inexperienced user.(you've had an account since 2009 but only have 42 edits). It's more likely that these other episode lists should be removed, not more added.
As this is a volunteer project, people do what they can when they can; we try our best to be consistent, but we are only as good as the people who choose to help and choose to be familiar with relevant standards. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean yes you answered the first half of the issue (regarding why the other articles can get away with this...sort of), but you did not answer the core part of the issue of the fact that more sources are being asked for. There are ultimately a couple issues with that request. First of all you're not going to get anything more authentic/official than Tv Asashi on this matter since the show is broadcast on their network. The show is from Japan, so any source with information on the show would have a 50% chance of being lost in translation (as Japanese and English do not translate 1:1).
So this ultimately leaves me scratching my head trying to figure out what more would work here, which is part of what I'm asking guidance on. GokuSS400 (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

06:23, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Kresnabasudewa

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i have edit the content and referensces, please check. Kresnabasudewa (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kresnabasudewa The draft has been rejected and will not be considered further at this time. It is not enough for a politician to merely be seeking public office, they must win their election or actually hold public office to merit an article as a politican, see WP:NPOLITICIAN. You haven't demonstrated that he meets the broader notable person definition either. If something fundamentally changes about this, you should first appeal to the last reviewer directly.
If you have a connection to him, that must be disclosed, see conflict of interest. If you work for him or his party, the Terms of Use require disclosure, see paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i want edit, but not as a politician but as a young entrepreneur, can i do? Kresnabasudewa (talk) 09:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kresnabasudewa: no, for the same reason as explained, ie. there is no evidence of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, i am surrender Kresnabasudewa (talk) 11:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:43, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Meattaeiwondota

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Why not accept my article Meattaeiwondota (talk) 09:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Meattaeiwondota: the reasons why I declined Draft:Lav Kumar are given in the decline notice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I not work for any party.I am her to improve my writing skills.I am PHD student this is my 3 years. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 09:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can I publish research paper in forms of article. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 09:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meattaeiwondota: do not resubmit drafts without any attempt at improving them. Fair warning: next time, I will reject this outright. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please help me.I am not aware about..
What I have to Improve? Tell me Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meattaeiwondota: meant to say also that you're not supposed to be writing about yourself in any case, see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you comedy me? Who give responsibility of this..your sentence like a children writing in class 6-5. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I not writing about my self.. It topic after study on internet but it not on Wikipedia. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meattaeiwondota: your user page literally says "I am Lav Kumar website developer,News article writer." -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is user page it about me. But on article I have written that is different you an search on internet. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can see information on google AI or WhatsApp AI you ask about Lav Kumar Taekwondo player.you will get information. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 11:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AI hallucinates. Anything written by it is worthless for notability. (You could argue that it'd be acceptable if someone actually edited its output, but that would make the source no longer AI given the extensive rewrites that would be required to make it accurate and sensical.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:52, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Fcontrepois

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Hello amazing team.

I do think that the topic of Cloud FinOps is of interest, but I do not manage to express it a encyclopedia way. Can I ask others to take over the writing of this article in a more encyclopidic style and submit again? Have a great day Frank Fcontrepois (talk) 09:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which article are you talk about. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am Individual not in Team.. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fcontrepois: this draft has been rejected, which means the end of the road for it. I think it's unlikely anyone (certainly anyone here at the help desk) will want to get involved in editing a rejected draft, although I guess it's always possible someone may choose to write a new one on this subject at some point. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Help me to improve my rejected article.. Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fcontrepois: This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. This doesn't read like an encyclopaedia article at all; it reads like an internal whitepaper from an IT firm was stitched together with an investors' brochure to create a Frankenstein's Creature of inappropriate-for-Wikipedia. What is your connexion to Cloud FinOps? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thanks for the feedback. I was trying my best. I hope other will try to write the article better.
Cloud FinOps is a discipline, not a company. Most of the current standards are set by the FinOps Foundation that is under the Linux foundation. Fcontrepois (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fcontrepois: Which doesn't answer my question: What is your connexion to (companies entities promoting) Cloud FinOps? This sort of article isn't accidentally written by someone with no direct connexion to a subject or to entities with a stake in that subject. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am very involved in FinOps, I work for a company that in involved in FinOps, I have a podcast on it and participate in setting the standards. Fcontrepois (talk) 18:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fcontrepois: The second of those things requires a disclosure even if your work on Wikipedia is otherwise completely divorced from that firm's business operations. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you answer my initial question: Can I ask others to take over the writing of this article in a more encyclopidic style and submit again?
Or in other words, how can this topic be worked by others and submitted? Fcontrepois (talk) 11:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:56, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Meattaeiwondota

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Give some advice Meattaeiwondota (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not publish research papers, so the best advice: please publish it somewhere else, such as at a blog. Valereee (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:45, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Monniejaym

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How do we cite original sources like podcasts with the artist making statements? Monniejaym (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably this is about  Courtesy link: Draft:Kenyon Dixon?
It's basically web content, so you can cite using {{cite web}}.
That said, an artist talking about themselves or their work is primary source and therefore of limited use, and can only support factual, non-contentions statements, but does not contribute towards notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:21, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Forgettonexo114

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I wasn't expecting it to be published but I think that it would be a good placeholder until I can sit down and finish the page the more. Forgettonexo114 (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:23, 18 July 2024 review of submission by VWellsMicro

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I am having a difficult experience with the Wikipedia editor for the topic I am attempting to publish. I've provided numerous verifiable sources and citations, but he has declined every single one. This is a digital online code and protocol for search engine optimization that provides direct communication to search engines, similar to the Sitemaps protocol that Wikipedia has published. However, the reviewer does not see digital industry journals as having integrity on the subject. This is very confusing. I'm not sure how to proceed from here. With all due respect to him, I'm not sure anything I provide or do will satisfy him. Is there a way to have another editor review my submission? VWellsMicro (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has been declined by 4 different reviewers. I haven’t checked the sources but the draft is promotional in tone and stuffed with spam links, the “Benefits” section is also entirely inappropriate. Theroadislong (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VWellsMicro I have left an overlapping comment on the draft. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VWellsMicro "he has declined every single one." Er, no. You have had multiple separate reviews by multiple reviewers. Multiple different opinions telling you that this draft is declined. What you need to do is to do the work that has been outlined. Perhaps we need be clear:
We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
I hope that helps you to earn how to check your references. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are no spam links. This is a protocol that works as an interface between search engines and websites. It is offered as a plug in on multiple content management systems and delivery networks such as Wix and Duda, which is why they are mentioned. This is a completely legitimate internet protocol utilized by tons of major companies - and is currently administrated by Microsoft Bing. And thank you I believe I have done the work. It's an online protocol that is written about in online digital journals like Search Engine Journal that has a readership over of over 1 million people. Here is a completely valid article on the protocol by the journal. I recognize this may be a bit complicated subject. Ive tried providing everything I can. VWellsMicro (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VWellsMicro You can argue, or you can take advice. Your move. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no reason to argue. I am simply trying to get this published. I simply thought that we were supposed to link out, there is no goal of spamming here. I am not a spammer. I am just trying to publish this article. I am sorry for the confusion. I will remove all of the outbound links. VWellsMicro (talk) 21:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VWellsMicro Then please take the advice. Generally, reviewers here know more than new editors. You have declared that you are paid by Microsoft for your edits here. (I tidied up the note on your user page, please correct any inaccuracies). Please use your salary to learn what you are doing. A paid editor should be able to get their article accepted on their second attempt (assuming it passes our notability criteria).
If you want it to be accepted, please do the work, and do not resubmit for review before you have done it. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VWellsMicro You are wrong, your draft has 21 spam links to involved companies, we simply don't use external links in this manner. Theroadislong (talk) 21:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VWellsMicro: Apart from the other problems which have been mentioned, the draft is unsuitable as a Wikipedia article because it is totally promotional. It reads exactly as though it was written by a marketing professional (which it probably was) and is full of what looks exactly like marketing copy. As for the question of whether it contains spam links, I think the word "spam" may not be appropriate, as it suggests deliberate dishonest aims, whereas you were probably acting in good faith, unaware of Wikipedia's requirements. However, the draft contains a large number of links which are clearly intended to attract readers of the Wikipedia article to the websites of various businesses or other organisations, with the purpose of publicising those businesses or organisations and their products. That is editing for promotional purposes, and is not allowed by Wikipedia policy. JBW (talk) 10:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The links were provided to show the credibility of the subject as previously we were told that it lacked appropriate references. I think I am the 3rd person to attempt to come in and get this post up. Removing all links and will attempt again to provide what you are looking for. VWellsMicro (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:53, 18 July 2024 review of submission by Hasalaka Sumiththa thero

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approve page Hasalaka Sumiththa thero (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hasalaka Sumiththa thero You have not submitted the draft for review. In its current state it will not be accepted. Please read the notice at the top and do the work it explains 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why your article submission was declined Hasalaka Sumiththa thero (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hasalaka Sumiththa thero Please DO NOT open multiple threads here.
You deleted the notices when it was declined. They told you why. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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