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09:24, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Айке Керимбекова

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Hello! I am not able to add an article to the Kyrgyz Wikipedia. What can I do? Айке Керимбекова (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Айке Керимбекова: I don't know, but in any case there's nothing we can do to help with that here on the English-language Wikipedia; the two are completely separate projects. You need to go to https://ky.wikipedia.org/ and enquire there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Ok. Thanks. 91.247.59.70 (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:47, 15 July 2024 review of submission by BasicScientist4487

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This submission was rejected on the basis of being "not adequately supported by reliable sources".

However, the draft uses both primary and secondary sources, which from my reading of the relevant Wikipedia guidelines, in combination, meet the requirements for both reliability and notability.

I would be grateful for any specific guidance on which sources in particular need to be removed/revised in order for this draft to be accepted. BasicScientist4487 (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @BasicScientist4487! Let's see if we can work out what your difficulty is.
My immediate first suggestion will be to remove any sources that come from the Centre - anything from its website, any interviews given by staff/founder/etc, any articles or papers published by employees. Your sources must be independent, so anything connected to the Centre is immediately useless for your purposes. Having looked at your first few sources, this includes anything published by their parent organization/s. I will skip these in my quick source analysis.
Your sources must comply with WP:42, the 'golden rule': significant coveragein reliable sources that are independent of the topic. 'Reliable' also means sources must have editorial oversight and be published by a reputable place. Sources have to meet all three criteria to be acceptable. With that in mind, let's have a look!
5) is the first source not connected to the Centre, and it's actually not about the Centre; it draws upon studies done by the Centre, which is not the same thing. I note also that there's a disclosure that the author of the piece has a close connection to the Centre, so it would not be usable in any case. (not significant coverage; not independent)
6) is only a mention in a list (not significant coverage).
8) is also not about the Centre (not significant coverage).
9) is a mention, and it turns out the Centre is named as a sponsor (not significant coverage, not independent).
13) looks like a data analysis; I can't access it, but I would be extremely surprised if it was about the Centre (not significant coverage).
15) sounds very much like all the information has come directly from the Centre; it's very promotional. Even without the interview, I think this would fail 'reliable source' as well as the obvious one. (not independent)
19) isn't about the Centre (not significant coverage).
All the other sources are connected to the Centre in one way or another. Unfortunately, this means that you don't have any usable sources.
You need at least three good sources for an article to be accepted. If you can only find one or two, it might be worthwhile putting that information into the articles of the parent organizations - but you do need at least one source to even mention it in the parent organizations' page. Although I am sure this is disappointing news, I hope it helps you in your search for sources. If you do find them, your next step is going to be to start all over again, and only write in the draft what you find in the sources - have a look at WP:BACKWARDS for more information.
Regardless of your next step, I wish you good luck and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 12:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is hugely helpful and much appreciated! Thank you. BasicScientist4487 (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome @BasicScientist4487! Another thing to consider, if you're having trouble finding good sources - it might just be WP:TOOSOON. I know the Centre is five years old, but sometimes it takes time for things to get rolling, and I suspect that there will be more coverage in the next few years as their research projects and associated papers start being published. If there's not anything around at the moment, you can just sit on the draft and make a minor edit every six months (so it doesn't get deleted) while waiting for the Centre to become notable. And of course there are literally millions of articles that could use your help in the meantime! You write neutrally, fluently, and clearly, which is something we always need more of - if there are other subjects that interest you, I think your assistance editing articles about them would be very welcome. StartGrammarTime (talk) 18:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:23, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Naksha M S

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Why is the article not getting approved Naksha M S (talk) 11:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Naksha M S. There is no indication you are notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article at this time. Qcne (talk) 11:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What should I do? ,What should I do to publish the article? Naksha M S (talk) 12:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Naksha M S: you shouldn't; you shouldn't be writing about yourself at all, per WP:AUTOBIO. If you wish to tell the world about yourself, try some sort of social media or blogging platform. In any case, Draft:Naksha Saran has been rejected, and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:09, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Aundreplayer

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this is a new project Aundreplayer (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(indeffed) Qcne (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:13, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Naksha M S

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I'm not able to understand the problem with the article and moreover, I'm not able to understand the overall process Naksha M S (talk) 12:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Naksha M S you are not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, therefore you cannot have an article at this time. Qcne (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Naksha M S: please do not start multiple threads, thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:30, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Unnamelessness

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This revision was interestingly rejected by NegativeMP1 with a rationale of WP:TOOSOON. However, the title has been officially announced, with enough WP:RS being added to cover the topic. That being said WP:N is estabilished, and the article passes WP:GNG. This is not like the old revision, which was rejected by SafariScribe. The whole passage has been structured to improve the quality, and is enough to guarantee a START status. According to the AFC reviewing workflow, I see no reasons why this should be declined. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and will accept it once the redirect has been deleted. Qcne (talk) 12:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I looked at the recent rejection reasons and immediately thought that the article was going to be in the same place and not much would have changed in two days, and I was also hesitant about going against another reviewers opinion. I guess the article is fine. λ NegativeMP1 16:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:51, 15 July 2024 review of submission by V. Karlstedt

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Hi, wondering if you have time to check if the page looks good before it gets reviewed? V. Karlstedt (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@V. Karlstedt: you're asking us to review it before it gets reviewed? We don't provide on-demand reviews here at the help desk, but you'll get one when a reviewer happens to pick it up. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I just rejected it, if you think content like "Docklands became a sustainable, mega-club and the wet dream of each and every party kid." you clearly have no chance here. Theroadislong (talk) 12:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And why not?
It is written (copied) from news article.
And that's not all that's on the page (one sentence) V. Karlstedt (talk) 13:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V. Karlstedt Which means you have violated copyright. It is wise not to repeat that error. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Six images have been uploaded after Swedish Wikipedia's one image.
The picture from the Swedish side: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_(nattklubb)
from 2002 has been refined on the English (my) site. Check it out! V. Karlstedt (talk) 13:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V. Karlstedt: not sure why you're mentioning that, but just to say that images have no bearing on a draft's acceptance prospects. And in any case this draft has been rejected and will not therefore be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now tagged for speedy deletion as a copyright violation. Theroadislong (talk) 13:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:08, 15 July 2024 review of submission by 123creativeuser

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Dear Wikipedia-Team, I have trouble to successfully upload the article of the artist "Jeewi Lee". Apparently the submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Could you explain this further? Jeewi Lee is an artist, who had international exhibitions, has galleries representing her in Dakar, Berlin and New York. She has been exhibited in well known institutions such as "Gropius Bau" and "Hamburger Bahnhof". Further, a book about her works has been published by publisher Hatje Cantz (https://www.hatjecantz.de/products/65857-jeewi-lee). Why does she not qualify for a Wikipedia Article? I added many referenced to proof the information stated in the wikipedia-article.

It would be great to receive feedback and help from you.

Best wishes 123creativeuser 

123creativeuser (talk) 13:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@123creativeuser: the sources are all primary, meaning that they cannot satisfy the general notability guideline WP:GNG. Your other option is to demonstrate notability by WP:ARTIST, by producing reliable and clear evidence of how they meet one or more of the four criteria listed there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for your help! Where do I demonstrate the notability by WP:ARTIST? Jeewi Lee meets the criteria 4 b) (been a substantial part of a significant exhibition) and 4 d) (been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums). Do I need to state this anywhere? I believe this information has already been made clear in the article. I linked sources from institutions, where Jeewi Lee had exhibitions / articles written about her. Do they not count as secondary sources? What would a secondary source be? 123creativeuser (talk) 13:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@123creativeuser: if you want to rely for notability on the person meeting ARTIST 4d, then you mention that their works have been included in the permanent collection museums (obviously specifying these by name), and cite reliable sources to support that statement.
Note that being part of an exhibition at a museum is not the same as being included in the museum's permanent collection. And more generally, be aware that the ARTIST guideline is quite onerous, and draft authors typically underestimate what is being required. I'm not saying it's impossible to meet that guideline, but it is far from a given.
Secondary sources are defined at WP:SECONDARY. They typically include newspapers, magazines, books, TV and radio programmes. Organisations' websites are almost invariably primary sources, even if they are 'third party' relative to the subject itself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please can you show where she has work "within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums" I can't see this? Theroadislong (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
123creativeuser Please see your user talk page for important information requiring a response, thanks 331dot (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:09, 15 July 2024 review of submission by V. Karlstedt

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Can you explain what is not approved on the page? V. Karlstedt (talk) 13:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is written totally inappropriately for an encyclopaedia. Qcne (talk) 13:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V. Karlstedt: please don't start multiple threads, it makes it difficult to track the dialogue. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:14, 15 July 2024 review of submission by 123creativeuser

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Hello,

I have trouble successfully uploading the article of the artist "Jeewi Lee". Apparently the submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Could you explain this further? Jeewi Lee is an artist, who had international exhibitions, has galleries representing her in Dakar, Berlin and New York. She has been exhibited in well known institutions such as "Gropius Bau" and "Hamburger Bahnhof". Further, a book about her works has been published by publisher Hatje Cantz (https://www.hatjecantz.de/products/65857-jeewi-lee). Why does she not qualify for a Wikipedia Article? I added many referenced to proof the information stated in the wikipedia-article.

It would be great to receive feedback and help from you.

Thank you in advance!

Best wishes 123creativeuser 

123creativeuser (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@123creativeuser: please don't start multiple threads, if you have further comments or questions just add them to the one you already started. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
123creativeuser You have done a nice job of documenting her work, but Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about Lee and what makes her important/significant/influential, either as a notable artist or a notable person more broadly. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:20:32, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Pizpa

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Article put up for AfC: Draft:Wikipedia:Conduct_During_Disagreement

Hi, thanks for reviewing my AfC Wikipedia:Conduct During Disagreement. However, I'm confused at the justification for the decline. What I wrote is an essay with advice on Wikipedia editing, similar to e.g. WP:EDITDISC. If you review that essay, you will not see any citations of external sources. Is it possible for me to have my essay reviewed by the same standard that WP:EDITDISC was?

Sorry I'm struggling with the form :) Pizpa (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pizpa: Wikipedia essays are not published as articles. They are published instead in the Wikipedia: or User: namespaces. See WP:ESSAY for advice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Sorry for the misfire :) Pizpa (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:02, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Black11films

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Did you see the articles? They cover him greatly? Especially number 3. Try look it again please. Black11films (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Black11films: the first source is IMDb, which is basically useless, and the last one just announces the film premiere. The other two (which are only really one, as it's the same publication) aren't enough to establish notability per WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have found some more, try look at it now.
I hope it's better now. Black11films (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need to disclose your clear conflict of interest, Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting yourself or your YouTube videos. Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Black11films: no, it really is no better, unfortunately. The sources still don't show that he is notable, and you still aren't supporting the content with inline citations. You shouldn't just write what you want, and then tag on a few sources that may or may not verify some of it. You should summarise what reliable and independent secondary sources have said about the person. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thank you, but you guys are really not trying to help dough. I will not go further with this article and you have demotivated me to help Wikipedia will future insights. Thank you again. Black11films (talk) 18:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since your only "insights" are to promote yourself and your videos, it is no great loss to Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:33, 15 July 2024 review of submission by Tallstop99

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If I remove the citations/references to the Rumph websites, will that be enough to get this extremely influential and important artist a page on Wikipedia? Tallstop99 (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tallstop99: if you remove them, the draft will be almost completely unreferenced. So no. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback. So does leaving them help or hurt my case? Tallstop99 (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Tallstop99. Removing his website leaves three sources:
  1. starwars.com obviously not independent, but does give a good overview of Jim Rumph.
  2. people.com doesn't mention him at all.
  3. ebay auction, cannot be used to establish notability.
So, no, unfortunately not yet. We'd need usually a minimum of three reliable independent sources that have significant coverage of Jim Rumph. These could be books, magazine articles, newspapers- all that give commentary, analysis, discussion, etc. Qcne (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback.
2. people.com doesn't mention his name, but does show his work on the source I gave in the Draft. His work was also featured on the cover of People, but I can't seem to find this cover online other than here. Do these not count?
3. That ebay auction was for a physical copy of an issue of LA Times West magazine, which has a big write up on him. I cannot find an online version of that magazine, but I do have a physical copy of it. Can I use that as a reference? If so, how do I do so?
TIA Tallstop99 (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For source 2: we'd need some kind of text, commentary, analysis, discussion, etc. A photo of his work doesn't establish notability.
For source 3, please cite the magazine with a full reference (like, 'Casual Horror. The Usual Knight. Rumph.', John Riley, date, LA Times West Issue xyz). Sources do not have to be online but we do need a full reference so that a reader can find the source in a library or archive if they so wish. A random ebay auction doesn't allow the reader to check the content.
Two or three more sources of the calibre of that LA Times West article would actually likely prove that Jim meets the notability threshold, and would make the draft acceptable.
Hope that helps, happy to have another look if you can find some more sources. You can ping me on my user talk page. Qcne (talk) 20:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for the reply.
For #2, one more question. You say "some kind of text" is needed. Does his published work count? He was a published author and cartoonist in Comix Book #4 and Cops 'N Dopers comic books.
3) I will do that, thanks.
For more sources, would an article about him in Monster Land magazine qualify? Or an ad in Playboy magazine?
Obviously, I wouldn't reference therumph.com for my official draft, just checking if these count. Tallstop99 (talk) 18:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again @Tallstop99. His own published work can be used sparingly, as it is a primary source. Unfortunately primary sources do not count towards notability.
The Monster Land source seems good. The Playboy ad would be considered a primary source again, so can't be used to establish notability.
One other issue with the draft to point out is the tone- even if we can prove notability it'll never be accepted with the current language used throughout. You have to write formally, neutrally, as if you are doing an autopsy. Qcne (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for the feedback. I will work on the changes and resubmit. Tallstop99 (talk) 21:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know on my user talk page if you'd like me to take a look before you do :) Qcne (talk) 21:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will do, thanks! Tallstop99 (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:39, 15 July 2024 review of submission by ALFI THOMAS

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Are you a fight master .are you studying lakshya Most people feel very good about themselves when they are able to extend assistance to others. You're allowing others to feel those rewarding emotions whenever you request a hand from them 

ALFI THOMAS (talk) 16:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well okay then.
Did you have an actual question in mind that you wanted to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing They may or may not, but CSD U5 and G11 may trigger one. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ALFI THOMAS: This looks like an attempt at a resume; we don't host those and have zero use for them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:49, 15 July 2024 review of submission by TraciAlexis88

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Hi, my submission was declined by Safari Scribe for references. I am hoping to get help on how to better cite the references as I believe this person should be included in Wikipedia. Appreciate any help you can offer. TraciAlexis88 (talk) 17:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TraciAlexis88 You need to prove, if it is provable, that she passes WP:FILMMAKER, or WP:NACTOR by dint of researching and finding excellent references.
Like many new editors you have approached this WP:BACKWARDS. Instead, find your references, and create the draft in your own words from what they say.
For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 18:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TraciAlexis88 Decorating it with a picture in breach of copyright was also not a good idea. It has been nominated for deletion on Commons 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 18:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all of this feedback! Very helpful will review all of the links you provided TraciAlexis88 (talk) 18:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:26, 15 July 2024 review of submission by 75.174.215.150

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What state was Richard Sheldon Barr disbarred from? 

75.174.215.150 (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which state was Richard Sheldon Barr disbarred from and when? 75.174.215.150 (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP editor, I think that might be a question for either Google or the Reference Desk - this board is for questions about writing draft articles. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I need your opinion on the draft WP:NPRODUCER.

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Hi guys! I would appreciate your opinion on an article for creation.The full discussion is here. Thank you.

User talk:Qcne#https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Christopher McDonald (booking agent)

For the WP:producer - The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series);
It says he has served as a talent producer and booker for all 5 seasons of Kelly Clarkson, producing music part in every episode. If we add the links to credits, do you think it could be an option? Considering receiving an Emmy for it- as the recognition of his work on that. J2009j (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply][reply]
Hm. I am actually not sure. It might be worth asking on the WP:AFCHD, you can link to this discussion, to get some input from other reviewers. I don't have much experience with WP:NPRODUCER.
He definately doesn't meet WP:NACTOR yet and there isn't evidence for meeting the more general WP:NPERSON criteria, but that criterion #3 is debatable, so I think a second opinion might be useful. Qcne (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

J2009j (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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