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Request on 09:17:07, 24 August 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by MKutera74

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Hi, this is in addition to the larger message I've left on my talk page at #Draft:Miguel and the Living Dead Bobby Cohn (talk) 01:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I have absolutely no financial or legal benefits from this. I only have copyrights, because I created and wrote this article myself, citing sources. I have been editing Miguel and the Living Dead for free since about 2005/2006 on the Polish wiki. I have been interested in music of this aesthetic for about 30 years (I have a lot of books, CDs, vinyls, cassettes, all original editions from all over the world). Finally, I updated it and decided that it was worth making an English version for MATLD. I have been following the band for years and going to their concerts. I know their biography perfectly well. I know the musicians. I sent them the translation and they asked if they could put it on the new page, so I said ok. How could I know that this would constitute a conflict. I am not their manager. Their page was created by someone else, I do not know this person at all. I regret this hard work since October 2023 and unfortunately I did not write this draft in the rough draft. Please help me somehow in this matter. MKutera74 (talk) 01:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

MKutera74 I removed most of the discussion that seemed like that it was duplicated from elsewhere, for ease of readability. If I removed a more current comment, please restore it.
The draft was deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement. If you are communicating with the band about your editing, such as asking their permission(which they cannot give or deny, their permission is not needed to write about them) you have a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will someone help me with this matter, or are you just going to send me who knows where and for what reason? MKutera74 (talk) 09:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MKutera74 we won't send you anywhere else. What specifically do you need help with? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi CanonNi, Pickersgill-Cunliffe has already helped me. The draft has been restored. I have sent it again for consideration to officially put it on the English Wikipedia. I have described all the details in the discussion in the draft, so that the editors and approvers will no longer have any doubts. I hope that after much effort the article will finally appear on the English Wikipedia. I apologize for the inconvenience. MKutera74 (talk) 12:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MKutera74 You need to comply with the conflict of interest policy, please see your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:37, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Steamwraith

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Hello, My draft got rejected with the reason being that I need Reliable sources. I've had a look Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and I'm not sure which of my sources should be removed/replaced. I've mainly used reputable Swedish news sites; I understand it may be difficult for a non-Swedish speaker to verify such sources. Other than that, social media is used as a source to cite claims made about e.g. YouTube statistics or statements made by the subject.

TL;DR -- rejected draft due to lack of reliable sources, could I get more feedback/help on this since I'm not sure exactly what is wrong.

Thank you! Steamwraith (talk) 09:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steamwraith The draft was declined, not rejected. The word rejected has a specific meaning in this process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
Social media should not be used to document claims about YouTube statistics. It would be okay to support purely factual statements about the person themselves(like their birthdate) but it can't be used to establish notability. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies! I'm new to Wikipedia so I didn't now there was such a distinction between declined/rejected.
I understand, however, the Template:Infobox YouTube personality will automatically create a reference to the subject's YouTube channel to cite the view and subscriber counts. Do you recommend to find another source, Social Blade (?), or just a news article/other reputable source which states such statistics. Steamwraith (talk) 09:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the template calls for that information and automatically cites it, then I guess that's how it works- but in terms of notability, it doesn't matter if they have 8 viewers or 8 billion(everyone on this planet). What matters is the coverage in independent reliable sources and how it demonstrates they are a notable person as Wikipedia defines it. The number of views or followers does not confer notability on a person; certainly the more viewers, the more likely it is in they get coverage in independent reliable sources, but in and of itself the number of viewers is irrelevant. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. What do I suggest I change on my draft to make up-to-standard for Wikipedia?
(Thank you by the way for the very quick responses!)
I don't know if it's relevant, but the subject does have an article on Swedish Wikipedia. Steamwraith (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each language Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. It could be that what you have written here would be acceptable on the Swedish Wikipedia, but it's not here at the present time. The English Wikipedia, as the oldest and most developed version, tends to be stricter than others.
You need to summarize independent reliable sources that on their own offer significant coverage of this person, coverage that goes beyond just documenting their existence or the existence of their videos, and goes into detail about what the source sees as important/significant/influential about the person(again, beyond just "they have a lot of viewers"). For "YouTubers" that usually is things like news reports, or reviews of their videos written by professional reviewers. Focus more on that sort of content and less on their viewership itself. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:44, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Lilyish134

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I need help with finishing an article I am writing about a political group in middle east, it was rejected so i want to know how can i improve? any advice would be highly appreciated. it is important to note that i'm making this article as a project for my degree. i major in International Relations and during one of my recent studies i encountered this issue, and i decided to dig deeper, but still my information is not complete. so if you also know about this matter and you are from middle east, please tell me more! Lilyish134 (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lilyish134 I fixed your link, you need to include the "Draft:" portion. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The draft was declined, not rejected. The word rejected has a specific meaning in this process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
Were you assigned this task as a project? If so, your professor has been very unfair to you, to require you to write a Wikipedia article, as you have little control over the creation process. Professors should review the Wikipedia education program materials for information on how to best incorporate Wikipedia into lessons in a way fair to students. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:19, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Heathd1174

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I don't understand what else needs to be cited, or if the sources that I am citing is not good enough. Heathd1174 (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be Mr. Heath....Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves and their accomplishments, please see the autobiography policy. You need to be summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about you and what makes you a notable person. This is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves. 331dot (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
Unless you can find several sources which each meet the triple criteria in WP:42, no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:33, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Tonyfbolton

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Hello, I'm unsure how to have this article accepted. I created it as, while there are several articles about specific album releases by this band, there is no overarching article to give the complete discography. The feedback is that I need more references, but I have no specific material to reference. Any ideas? Thanks, Tony Tony Bolton (talk) 17:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the band, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable band. You shouldn't be merely documenting their work. If you have no appropriate sources, the band would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 18:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:17, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Susana Sousa Ribeiro

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why is it taking so long? Susana Sousa Ribeiro (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources don't look good and content like "served as both an escape from a course that didn't ignite his passion and a way to reconnect with his creative side" has no place in an encyclopaedia. Theroadislong (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:43, 24 August 2024 review of submission by Opeyemi93

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My article keeps getting rejected after implementing all the suggestions from the editors.

I need help on what exactly I need to improve to get this article accepted.

Thanks Opeyemi93 (talk) 19:43, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opeyemi83 The draft was declined, not rejected. The word rejected has a specific meaning in this process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
Are you associated with this person? You seem to have come here expressly to write about this person.
You resubmitted the draft; the next reviewer will leave you feedback. That said, the main issue is that you have not demonstrated that this person meets the definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Opeyemi93, one major problem is going to be your references. The only one that anyone could easily find is the book that Gallagher wrote, which doesn't help establish notability. Have a look at referencing for beginners, it should help you to format the references so that other people can find the articles/books/etc that you're relying on to show notability. Once you've done that, I'd be happy to look over the sources and tell you which are suitable and which needs to be replaced - feel free to leave a message on my talk page if this thread gets archived before you're finished. Take your time, there's no rush! Getting it right is more important than being fast. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. Your comment is very helpful and I will do as you instructed. 105.112.101.168 (talk) 04:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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