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Template:Rfd-NPF

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Propose merging Template:Rfd-NPF with Template:Redirect for discussion.
There has been an ongoing issue with Template:Rfd-NPF for almost a decade now. During the past decade, Template:Redirect for discussion and the way that it is structured has been integrated in various gadgets that are on Wikipedia. it has gotten to a point where gadgets, such as Wikipedia:XFDcloser, are reliant on the way Template:Redirect for discussion is structured. At the present time, Template:Rfd-NPF works in the way that Template:Redirect for discussion functioned prior to the template having most of its functionality moved over to a module.

In a nutshell, the structure of {{Rfd-NPF}} is outdated and needs to conform to what {{Redirect for discussion}} does in its entirety. In other words, though I am requesting this as a "merge", my actual vote is for Template:Rfd-NPF (and any related subpages) to be redirected to Template:Redirect for discussion (and/or related subpages) so that any call to {{Rfd-NPF}} actually calls and uses all paramters in {{Redirect for discussion}}. (Shortly after making this nomination, I will inform the talk page of the gadget that uses {{Rfd-NPF}} (Page curation) about this discussion.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers, the target of redirect Wikipedia talk:Page Curation, has been informed of this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per what I said at WT:NPR, the seven day timeline for TfD is unrealistic to make this change. Please withdraw this TfD and create a phab ticket detailing the changes that need to be made. Once the extension has been updated you can proceed with the TfD. Sohom (talk) 01:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
..."Once the extension has been updated you can proceed with the TfD." ...No, this TFD is happening now. Per what I said at WT:NPR, a "seven day timeline" is not what happens at TFD and could take longer, which is why the "holding cell" subpage of TFD exists. TFD is for forming consensus, not to necessarily implement the consensus immediately after the discussion is closed. Steel1943 (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
mw:Extension:PageTriage, when tagging a redirect for RFD, currently writes {{subst:rfd-NPF|Reasoning goes here}}. What is it supposed to write under the new system? If it's just suppoed to write {{subst:Redirect for discussion|Reasoning goes here}}, you can just WP:BLAR it. Otherwise you'll need to file a Phab ticket and tag it PageTriage to change PageTriage's code. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae To my understanding, we need to do something like:
::{{subst:RfD|content=
::#REDIRECT [[Hello]]
::}}
which imo might require more work due to fact that the deletion module treats tags as append or prepend-only. (AFAIK) Sohom (talk) 04:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: That's essentially what I was getting to in my nomination statement: The resolution is not just a simple WP:BLAR; However, ultimately, the optimal solution after all the other tools and gadgets are resolved is to perform a WP:BLAR. Steel1943 (talk) 15:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What code do you want PageTriage to append prepend instead of {{subst:rfd-NPF|Reasoning goes here}}? –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: I'm not sure what you mean here? I don't know the ins-and-out of modifying PageTriage to make this work. But, if I had to guess what you mean, the "prepend" would be:

{{subst:Redirect for discussion|content=

...and the "append" would be:

}}

...Basically, what Sohom Datta stated in their comment. The only main question I would have then which may help figure something out, given it truly seems that Sohom Datta sees what need to be done to the PageTriage code to make this work is: Does the "name=" parameter in {{Rfd-NPF/core}} need to exist? (From what I'm seeing, it seems that PageTriage users are somehow putting their rationale in that parameter rather than its intended purpose: See this revision's page syntax.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I got my head wrapped around this. Filed phab:T375440. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Novem Linguae: Just FYI, I just tested a substitution of {{Redirect for discussion}}, and the additional line breaks (\n) are not necessary at the beginning or the end. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I updated the phab ticket. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Law & Order: Trial By Jury

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Only has four articles, all of them either a part of Template:Law & Order or Template:Law & Order (franchise). (Oinkers42) (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Senegal

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Contains only 2 English WP links. One of which is up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 08:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Template:Foreign relations of Senegal. Gonnym (talk) 11:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, only the single link missing (the US one) needs to be added. Gonnym (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The embassy in US is now up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 01:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IGDB person

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IGDB's Discord announced on 16 July 2024 that it no longer actively maintains People pages; the links are currently dead. Wayback Machine links seem undesirable because 1) the contents of pages will be outdated, and 2) IGDB is community edited anyway, so the links don't have any official-ness that makes them beneficial to keep. Retro (talk | contribs) 09:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Legality of homeschooling

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No transclusions or template parameters. Created in 2020. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Inflation

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Unused module. Move to user's sandbox (Module:Sandbox/<username>/...) if they still want to work on it. Gonnym (talk) 17:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sub-modules also unused. Gonnym (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym I can't speak for the subpages as DaxServer created those, but I had proposed using this to implement {{Inflation/year}} at Template talk:Inflation/Archive 3#New sandbox version and then forgotten about it. It should be ready to go, so if you're willing to withdraw the nomination I'd like to re-propose it on Template talk:Inflation. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're planning on using it, sure. Are the sub-pages part of your module implementation or will those still be unused? Gonnym (talk) 18:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym The subpages are not used by my implementation, and appear to be instead used by DaxServer's version at Module:Inflation/sandbox. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template talk:Inflation#Lua version of Template:Inflation/year --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And it's now implemented at Template:Inflation/year. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Beachhandballbox

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Unused handball match template. Gonnym (talk) 08:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot about this template, but it is needed. Currently {{volleyballbox}} is used (See e.g. 2022 Men's Beach Handball World Championships). {{volleyballbox}} is probably used because like in volleyball, beach handball uses a set system contrary to standard handball and why {{handballbox}} can't be used. However, {tl|volleyballbox}} is also not suitable since you can't indicate penaties received by each time and the topscorer of each team, as is common for handball matches.
Looking at the first match on the page 2022 Men's Beach Handball World Championships, this would be appropriate:
21 June 2022
11:30 		Argentina  1–2  United States Court 3, Heraklion
Attendance: 250
Referees: Luciano Cardone, Sebatiano Manuele (ITA)
Nahuel Pérez 14 (23–22, 16–18, 6–7) Cody Dominik, Jason Borchik 14
2×PF Report 2×PF
Ergo, the template is needed, I just need to start converting {{volleyballbox}} into {{beachhandballbox}} on beach handball pages. --Sb008 (talk) 11:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you plan on using it, then I can withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same as SB008, forgot about that template but should be used. Kante4 (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I plan to use it, but will not as long as it's nominated. Don't want to waste time if the template is removed after all and because the message "The template below (Beachhandballbox) is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus" is added to the template as long as it's nominated. --Sb008 (talk) 20:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 07:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Still not used since nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, obviously. J947 ‡ edits 02:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Sensible plan for use. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep Like I said before, I'll use it as soon as the nomination is gone. It isn't exactly a nice view to use the template as long as it shoes the message "‹ The template below (Beachhandballbox) is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. ›". The only argument presented for deletion is that it isn't used, which will change as soon as the nomination is removed. Not a single argument is presented that the template doesn't fit the purpose it's created for. And in case someone might have a better idea, the template can be adapted easy. Deleting it, is an act of being unconstructive and makes me wonder why to put any more of my time and energy in WP in the future, when some people prefer just simply to remove things instead of sending you a message and ask questions first. I'm surely not the first one who created something, got interrupted by other matters and then forgot about it. Deleting it, is a great display of assuming good faith. Remove the nomination, send me a message the-nomimition has been removed. and if the template is still not used after 3 days, you can delete it instantly. -Sb008 (talk) 04:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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