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Advise for page improvement

Hello TeaHouse users!

I am hoping to make a page for anti-poaching. Wildlife conservation and awareness if an issue close to my heart and I think wikipedia is crucial source of information that this issue does not have a page for!

My draft is here https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:MichaelDubley/sandbox

Any advice on making the page better in general or in the effort to increase awareness and drive action is welcomed!

Thank you,

Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelDubley (talk • contribs) 14:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello MichaelDubley! You need to get rid of the in-text external links (WP:EL) like 'Akashinga' and Kenya Wildlife Service. If they are WP:RS, use them as references. Several sections in your article are uncited, you need good sources for these.

WP is however a crappy place for "increase awareness and drive action", see WP:ADVOCACY. Dry, dusty and bland, that is often our style. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@MichaelDubley: I'd recommend starting at Poaching#Anti-poaching_efforts and improve that section. If it ultimately gets too long in relation to the rest of the article, it could be broken out. The best thing to do is to start from reliable secondary sources. Have any books been written summarizing anti-poaching efforts? Any magazine articles? Use those as the starting point for what you write. Right now the anti-poaching section of that article isn't ideal because it is just a collection of random examples. It would be better to have an overview of the sorts of tactics that are used etc. And like Grabergs above, I recommend using a boring writing style. The goal here is to provide unbiased information, not to drive action. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone know if PeoplePill.com copies from Wikipedia?

I'm reviewing a Good Article nomination and the copyright violation detector flagged the article as being essentially identical to a PeoplePill.com article on the subject. I'm having trouble finding out if the Wiki article copied the PeoplePill one, or vice versa - google has not cleared this up. Is PeoplePill.com a place that often clones wiki articles? Thanks for the help! Ganesha811 (talk) 20:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ganesha811. Try using the internet archive's wayback machine on PeoplePill to see when the relevant text first appeared on that site. Look at the history of the article to see if the matching text was developed gradually through multiple edits, or appeared in a lump, and when. Gradual development is unlikely to be a copyvio. If the Date in nthe history is well before the date from IA, that again suggests the Wikipedia was the source. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

DESiegel, thank your for the suggestions! I'll see what I can find. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

​Yes, PeoplePill copies our articles, you can see at the bottom of Sara Braun: "The contents of this page are sourced from Wikipedia article." – Thjarkur (talk) 21:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, ah, I missed that! Well that clears that up, thank you. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Then PeoplePill should be added to the list at WP:FORK where there is a (sadly incomplete) mlist of sites that do this. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Creating a wikipedia page on my own work

I am a couples weeks away from my PhD defense and I was thinking about creating an article about the subject matter. I know that it is wikipedia's policy to have independent 3rd-party sources for articles, but would it still be possible for me to create an article nonetheless? I just want there to be a more user friendly source for people to look up my topic instead of forcing them to read my scientific papers or dissertation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemewright (talk • contribs) 16:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Chemewright:, no that falls under WP:OR, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Chemewright: you are, of course, free to improve existing articles about your expertise by adding sources, correcting mistakes, or expanding articles. If you add references, please mind WP:SELFCITE. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 23:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Snacks (Supersize)

I'm trying to make the title on Snacks (Supersize) fully italicised, but the string within the brackets/parentheses won't go italic. I've tried DISPLAYTITLE and italictitle. Is it impossible? – DarkGlow (talk) 23:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Done, it was just necessary to turn off the infobox's automatic italicization. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I Took A Photo But It Says It Not My Photo?

How can I get the system to accept a photo 100% belonging to me that I took, this is the question asked of me by another new member. Earth Country33 (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Earth Country33. Has the file already be uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons? If it has, please provide a link to the file's page because it will make it easier to figure out what the problem is. If it hasn't, then please read Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and c:Commons:Licensing because those pages contain information that you may find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Who can review an article against B-Class criteria?

I’ve seen templates with the B-Class criteria that say “Please copy this in and choose yes or no for each criteria”, but I’ve also seen comments that say “The WikiProject reviews the article”. Thatoneweirdwikier (talk) 08:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Howdy hello Thatoneweirdwikier! When pages are created, they are usually reviewed by a new page patroller, who gives the page an initial rating. From there, the rating could rise (or fall!) when evaluated by an independent editor. Usually that means, if you make a big edit to a page, and think its been improved, you shouldn't be the one to change the rating. The best thing to do is ask at the talk page of the relevant WikiProject, so that one of their members can examine the page and change the rating. There are also editors in some WikiProjects that regularly go through articles in that project and re-rate them. Different projects may have different methods of going about rating. TLDR: any uninvolved editor. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 08:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

To Improve an Article

I have created an article. You can access it at following link.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Mohammad_Kabir_Hassan

This article has been declined due to reason of being promoting someone. The subject person in the article is a notable person being a leading authority in the field of Islamic finance. I have mentioned most of his detail from third-party sources which are properly cited. I have declared in the beginning of creating this article that i am not connected to the subject matter but the reviewer has asked me to declare the Conflict of Interest. I also need the help regarding listing the books of subject matter in standard bibliographic format. I will highly appreciate the help. The subject matter has more than 200 publications in peer-reviewed academic Journals and have overall citation more than 9000. But its impossible to declare all in an article. How can i address this issue.

Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khan.ishal (talk • contribs) 08:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Khan.ishal: - the reviewer (DGG) has left you an unusually lengthy and detailed comment on the draft, in addition to the standard message which includes several links to helpful Wikipedia guidance on things like how to write from a neutral point of view, what constitutes a reliable source, and so on. I'm not sure that any editor here is going to be able (or willing) to offer you yet more advice than that which you have already received, particularly given that you do not yet seem to have followed any of the advice received. Have you read the pages linked to in the decline notice? Is there anything in those policies you need specific help with? Hug^syrup 11:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on article's picture

Hello,

I am a new editor and I would like to switch out the picture on a semi-protected page, but can not. I would like to figure out how to do so. There is a couple of other pictures on Google just like on the one that is currently on the website. But every time I try to upload a new picture, I get a copyright error message. Emmakristine (talk) 13:05, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey Emmakristine. The vast majority of images available online are copyrighted and non-free, while Wikipedia generally only allows use of freely licensed media, with comparatively few exceptions. If you want to upload and use an image here, you need to be able to show that it is a free image, with regard to intellectual property rights, which is not the same as being a publicly available one. For more information on locating images, see Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. GMG^talk 13:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

The Classical Musician Notability Question

Hello friendly editors at the Teahouse,

I have a question as it relates to classical musicians being considered "notable" for Wikipedia's purposes. I am seeking to create an article about subject Draft:Debbie Brooks. It has been denied twice by two separate editors who claim the subject does not meet the threshold for a "notable musician." Therefore, I seek a third opinion, and would like to explain why I believe the subject does meet the threshold for notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (music) criteria #6 before that opinion is given.

Now, I do not claim to have written a perfect article, but merely argue that the subject, and other similarly situated subjects, should be considered notable.

General proposal on notability, now posted elsewhere
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The Question With regards to classical symphony musicians, where should the line be drawn for them to be notable? Notability Criterion #6 "Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)" I believe my subject meets this criterion in multiple ways. Proposal #1 Brooks is in an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, the Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra. The independently notable members of the ensemble are Miguel Harth-Bedoya and John Giordano (conductor). Therefore, Brooks should be considered notable as a musician per Criterion #6. Proposal #2 Brooks has also been a "reasonably prominent member" of two or more independently notable ensembles, the Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra and Casa Mañana. She is "reasonably prominent" in each notable ensemble because she was the "Assistant Principal" cellist of the Fort Worth Symphony, (the #2 ranked cellist in the Orchestra, a position earned that distinguishes her from a regular section player), and she is also the "Solo Cellist" for Casa Mañana, the #1 ranked cellist in the pit orchestra for musicals. Therefore, under Criterion #6, Brooks should be conferred notability as a musician. A Larger Philosophical Question Regarding Notability for Classical Musicians An Analogy to Consider A musician winning a position in a professional, full-time symphony orchestra in America has made a similar-level achievement in their field as an athlete who has made a professional NBA basketball team. From Cincinatti.com: “From a statistical chance, it’s probably easier to get into the NBA," said Christian Colberg, principal viola of the Cincinnati Symphony. "It’s a very tough process, a process that sends people to therapists, and that truly changes your life. It’s almost barbaric, but it is absolutely fair.” Wikipedia:Notability (sports) automatically confers notability to athletes who play in at least one game in the NFL or NBA. Why does it not treat the achievement of major symphony orchestra musician's similarly?

Ars Combinatoria (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

• Ars Combinatoria This is a forum to help new/inexperienced users with their Wikipedia questions; this sort of discussion would be better suited at the talk page for the musician notability guideline. You may want to search the archives to see if this has come up before. If you disagree with the assessment of the editors who reviewed your draft, you should discuss your concerns with them directly as well. 331dot (talk) 22:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Ars does appear to be a new editor, asking if Brooks can be said to fall under criterion #6. Ars, I'm not quite sure she can be said to have been a "reasonably prominent member" of these ensembles, orchestras are large and change frequently. If she were prominent, we should be able to cite independant sources which show significant coverage of her. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I actually suggested Ars come here: I was one of the editors to decline the draft, and discussed the issue with Ars. They weren't sated with my answer, and thus I suggested WP:AFCHELP or here to get a second, perhaps friendlier and uninvolved, opinion. But I do agree that this is not the forum for notability guidelines changes. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@CaptainEek, Þjarkur, and Ars Combinatoria: |The above proposal has now bene posted to Wikipedia talk:Notability (music), and I have commented there. I urge others to comment also. Now on the issuse of this particular draft, that we may be able to help with here. I'll look at the draft. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@CaptainEek, Þjarkur, and DESiegel: I want to say thank you for posting the guideline discussion to the proper place. I have to say with the scrutiny the page is under I am doubtful it will be approved. Is there a realistic way forward with the article? I do not want to spam and bother everyone on this site over one article. Ars Combinatoria (talk) 23:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Ars Combinatoria With two more good sources like the North Texan piece I would approve it in an instant. Even one more and I'd seriously consider it. If "proposal 2" gets some support over on the SNG tqalk page I'd approve as it stands. And if I do approve it and it gets AfD'd I would go to bat for it, and I have a pretty good record on "article rescue" see User:DESiegel#Article Rescue. You never know, of course. But no more interviews, please! DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, Casa Mañana seems to e a venue, not a musical group; even if they have a resident musical theater company, there is no indication that this company's pit orchestra is notable. DGG ( talk ) 15:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Getting a Verification Label Removed

So I worked on an Article over Ken Moyer, a former NFL player. Before I worked to improve the article, there was 0 references. Now I have added more references (and will add more tomorrow) and I would like to know if I (or someone else) can remove the Verification label. -Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahandskip (talk • contribs) 15:22, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip: Anyone, including you, can remove a tag if you feel that the reason for it no longer applies. If another editor disagrees and replaces it, you should then seek agreement on the talk page. In this case, however, I recommend against removing the tag as the sources you have added do not meet the standards for reliable sources. A staff directory or player profile on a team page are not independent secondary sources. The stats pages are also not secondary sources; they're ok for basic information but not sufficient to support the whole article. So, I would want to keep the 'more sources needed' message in place as more high-quality, reliable, secondary sources are required. Hug^syrup 15:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

questions about medias in Sri Lanka

Could someone tell me the newspapers, TV channels, and magazines in Sri Lanka with high credibility? I am now working on Colombo Financial City in Chinese version, but I don't know how to find the trustworthy newspapers in Sri Lanka.Johnson.Xia (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Johnson.Xia: I'm not sure, but I'd recommend posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sri Lanka and possibly WT:INDIA (which is more active). Someone there might be able to help you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Johnson.Xia: As a start, List of newspapers in Sri Lanka suggests:

• English:
  • The Sunday Times (weekly)
  • Daily News (daily)
  • The Daily Mirror (daily)
• Sinhala:
  • Rivira (weekly)
  • Silumina (weekly)
  • Lankadeepa (daily)
  • Divaina (daily)
• Tamil:
  • Virakesari (daily)
  • Thinakkural (daily)

—[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:19, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing Main Portion of an Entry

I'm an author of Gaudiya Vaishnava theology and philosophy and there are some entries that need some slight editing.

How do I become authorized to edit the main portion of an entry? I can edit text that appears below the "Content" box, but not the text above it. Thanks for your help.

Warm regards, Pranada ComtoisComtoisp (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Comtoisp, welcome to the Teahouse. Click the "Edit" tab at top to edit the whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @PrimeHunter:. Clear. Comtoisp

@PrimeHunter: Comtoisp States that they are the author of the Theology and philosophy. Doesn't that constitute a Conflict of Interest? Oldperson (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Comtoisp said an author, not the author. Gaudiya Vaishnavism is an old religious movement. But see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: I read it as "I'm an author [in the field] of Gaudiya Vaishnava theology and philosophy" (a 16th century religion). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

How do I change the name of my post?

I dont know how to change the nsme of my warriors post. its called user:Ashfang right now, is there a way to name it : Moonclan information page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashfang (talk • contribs) 17:30, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Ashfang, Well that page is your user page. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a blog or a place to host warrior cats groups. We just don't have the server space to dedicate to maintaining such pages, and thus they are usually deleted. Wikipedia user spaces, while accorded more leeway than regular pages, are still meant to be used to improve Wikipedia as a whole. If you'd like to edit Wikipedia (maybe help improve the Warrior cats page), you could mention that you love warrior cats (I do too!), but you can't have what you do currently. There are many other forums out there that would be a great place to host warrior clans, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

what do I do if an IP is trying to reach out to an user but the user is not replying?

This is extending from a help desk post. Off-wiki I'm having more messages from an IP and they think this issue seem to be slow? Unblue box (talk) 17:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Unblue box, Howdy hello! I've been following this issue, and I'll admit I've been unsure exactly what was going on. There seems to be some sort of language barrier, which isn't helping conversation. If I may ask, what is your native language? We may be able to find an editor/admin who can speak your native language better and can translate. In terms of the issue, it seems that an IP user you're working with is having trouble with User:Rahmadiabsyah. I would say that you've taken the right action, and reported them to ANI. I will try to help out with the ANI discussion and get to the bottom of the issue. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Mine is English. But I've been quite busy. To not help around with the IP. Unblue box (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't think the one who asked, wanted to know your language? But the person in question is becoming WP:NOTHERE from the url to ANI. 67.180.45.107 (talk) 18:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Jim Rogers

Hi. May I know why did you undo my edits to Jim Rogers' Wikipedia? I'm his assistant and he has asked me to make those edits as those currently on the current page is either incorrect or outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.211.131.78 (talk) 10:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jim Rogers' assistant, and welcome to the Teahouse. The editor who reverted your edits has left you a message on your talk page explaining that such changes need a WP:Reliable source. You need to declare your WP:Paid status on your talk page, and, since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, you should suggest changes on the talk page of the article rather than making them yourself. Wikipedia reports what is written elsewhere in independent sources about a subject, and is not interested in what a subject wants to say about themselves, though, of course, we want the article to be accurate and up to date. Dbfirs 11:28, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, register an account, declare Paid and COI. Given Paid, the recommended route is to propose specific changes on the Talk page, so that another editor can either incorporate into the article or not. Much of what you did was remove content that had references and add content without references. Tsk, tsk, tsk. David notMD (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Please also understand that, for the protection of the subjects of such biographies, Wikipedia is especially picky about sourcing and verifiability. Though you probably are who you say you are, and the edits you might want to make may very well be legitimate, to Wikipedia, you are an anonymous editor anywhere in the world, who may have motives to make improper edits to a highly-visible and relied-upon website (it happens thousands of times a day). This is why we require these reliable, secondary sources – so any editor can (and likely will) verify the information. Thanks for understanding. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:07, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

How To Keep Column and Row Headers Viewing When Scrolling In Wiki Table

I designed a wiki table and I added a scroll bar. The problem is that my table is big and anytime I would scroll I cannot know the header (row and column) or the cell I scrolled to. I would like to freeze the first row and the first column in the table while I scroll. Something similar to this: https://cdn.extendoffice.com/images/stories/doc-excel/keep-column-header-viwing/doc-keep-column-header-viewing-1.png

This pic is taken from Excel and not a Wiki table, but I am just using it to clarify my question

I tried to look up online for an answer but I failed...

Any help would be much appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmoossttaa (talk • contribs) 13:36, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Please see Help:Table#Scrolling, in general do not insert scrolling tables into mainspace. Where a table is big let the browser do the scrolling and repeat the headings at regular intervals. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, near the bottom is a gadget "Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view (requires Firefox v59 or Safari)". Enable it to let the browser do the work – don't do anything unusual to the table code. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Pinging @Mmoossttaa. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

How to establish notability for my Satguruma's Biography

I'm trying to create an article about my Satguruma Paramahansa Sadhvi Tridevi Tripura Sundari and I'm not sure how to establish notability. She is well recognized by other Gurus and and different organization all across the world and there is a lot of media content about her on Facebook and Youtube. There are some articles from Indian newspapers, but not digitally.

So I'm not sure what would constitute as evidence of notability in this case. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iair.rozen (talk • contribs) 23:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Iair.rozen: Welcome to Wikipedia. You can see the guidelines at WP:N and WP:BIO. Sources do not need to be online. RudolfRed (talk) 00:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

What is Wikipedia's policy on defining persons of interest by their nationality?

For the best majority of articles on people on wikipedia you will usually see their nationality(ies) given directly after their name eg "Patrick Stewart is an English actor". I was wondering if this was a set Wikipedia policy, or rather a common repeated trend? Is it appropriate to put nationality so prominent even for people who themselves would not eg Kwame Anthony Appiah- the cosmopolitan philosopher who is still described as a British-Ghanian directly after his name. Note I dont wish to portray this example as me having knowledge that he is unhappy with its merely a hypotethcial example to try and show what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.8.243 (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP Editor. The guideline page Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography says in the section on the pening paragraph that that first paragraph of a biographical article usually should include:

1. Name(s) and title(s), if any (see also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)). Handling of the subject's name is covered below in § First mention.
2. Dates of birth and death, if found in secondary sources (do not use primary sources for birth dates of living persons or other private details about them).
3. Context (location or nationality);
4. The noteworthy position(s) the person held, activities they took part in, or roles they played;
5. Why the person is notable.

So this isn't exactly a policy, nor a strict rule. There are cases where it will be done otherwise. It is generally felt that the nationality, for most people at least, give useful context for the article. But editors can discuss whether to follow ma different pattern in particualr article. But the feelings and wishes of the subject will not conbtrol. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Bluetooth

Hello

I have been trying to correct the Bluetooth History part and align it with the description that is the correct story that has been present on the https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth page.

the sv history part of page has been steady for many year and is, in my and many with me, the correct story on this Swedish invention.

If I look at the references at the current en page they are irrelevant especially on the Johan Ullman part where the patents referred to connects to headset not a radio technology. Its like saying I invented the engine because my horse carriage was in need for one:-)

Last attempt to change included references to patent, old articles but also pointed to the Bluetooth se page which I understand is not valid.

Could you help me understand how to take this forward?

The last articles in press includes mr Ullman, probably stemming from "wiki facts" included lately. Since I was the project leader for the Bluetooth project starting 1997, my Bluetooth network asking me to correct the fact.

Best Örjan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orjanjo (talk • contribs) 16:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, and welcoem to the Teahouse. Such changes to articles in the English Wikipedia need to be based on publishe reliable sources Ypur memory of what happened is not published, and cannot be verified by a reader, so it is not considered a reliable source. Now if you were to write a book or an articel about that hisoty as a witnewss and participant, and get that published by a reliable publisher, that account would probably be a reliable source and could be used. But until then, you may only include state3ments that can be supported by published sources that others have written.

You say that my Bluetooth network asking me to correct the fact. that sounds as if you have a Conflict of Interest in regard to this topic, perhaps even are being or expect to be paid for your edits. Please read thsoe links and follow the CoI guideline. If you are being paid, you must disclsoe that in accordance with WP:PAID promptly. It is a good idea for people who have a CoI to make suggestions on an article's talk page and use {{request edit}} to ask others to review and include them. Such suggesatiosn should be accompanied by references to citable sources which validate the information.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh and in future, Orjanjo, please sign posts on article talk and user talk pages, and discussiuon pages such as this, with four tildes(~~~~). The wiki software will convert those into your default or custom signature, plus a timestamp. This helps keep track of who said what, and helps some software features work better. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

When Can A COI Tag Be Removed?

When I created my first article (Subject: Johnathan Brownlee), I declared COI and a COI tag was placed on the draft. The first editor stated that the COI tag would remain on "until a neutral editor has scrubbed the article".

The article has since been scrubbed and moved into article space, and two subsequent editors have stated that the article is not biased and is written with a neutral point of view; however, it is their understanding that a COI tag should remain on the article permanently.

I am confused, as I clicked the Learn how and when to remove this template message within the COI tag, and read that "Maintenance templates are not meant to be in articles permanently" and could be removed by any user without COI when the issue has been adequately addressed.

I circled back to the first editor, who said that "if they've scrubbed the article and checked for neutrality then they can fill in the connected contributor tag 'checked by' section on the talk page."

So, my question is: Can the COI tag be removed from this article, and, if so, is there someone who would please review it again and remove the tag?

I appreciate any input and assistance with this from the community!

MBAWilbins (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy: article is Johnathan Brownlee.

Thank you. MBAWilbins (talk) 18:28, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @MBAWilbins:, strictly speaking, the template instructions say if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning.. Obviously someone else might put it back saying it's still justified. I'd suggest going to the user talk pages of the person who added it and the person who just reinserted it (the latter can be found at User talk:Onel5969).

Thank you. I did go to the talk pages of both reviewers after One15969 reversed the removal of the COI tag by Utopes (who had stated, "Checked every source, and the article appears to be neutral, as claims are referenced. Removing COI tag"). In their response, One15969 stated, "The COI tag is not there to show that there is a bias (there isn't in my opinion), but simply that a major contributor to the article has a COI. This is one of the reasons that COI editing is strongly discouraged. If another editor, without COI, removes the tag, I won't complain about it, but my interpretation of COI is that it should stay."

Both editors interpret a COI tag as a template that should remain permanently on an article, even though both agree that this article is unbiased and has a neutral point of view. At this point, I need a new, neutral editor to review the article and remove the tag, if someone is willing to help resolve this.

MBAWilbins (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

It can definitely be removed from the article if it no longer is viewed as having a COI. A more permanent indication of connected contributors can be included on the Talk Page Nosebagbear (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for this, Nosebagbear. Both editors interpret a COI tag as a template that should remain permanently on an article, even though both agree that this article is unbiased and has a neutral point of view. At this point, I need a new, neutral editor to review the article and remove the tag, if someone is willing to help resolve this. MBAWilbins (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

(I should add that both editors directed me to Teahouse for additional information, so thank you for your input! I hope that someone can read this short article, Johnathan Brownlee, check the connected contributor indication on the Talk Page, and remove the COI tag.) MBAWilbins (talk) 02:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Real tea request.

Can some one please spill sum real taste and juicy tea from their personal life? That would be awesome!

P.S. I don’t judge, just laugh. ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satx. . jazzz (talk • contribs) 00:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Satx. . jazzz The Teahouse is really a place to ask questions about Wikipedia editing or Wikipedia in general; it's not a forum for random discussion or a a social media account. So, if you've got any questions about editing, feel free to ask them.

Finally, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Username policy because yours might a problem per WP:UN#Confusing usernames because of the two periods and spaces added to your username. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

How to increase Notability

Hi all, just joined Wikipedia and starting to create our company's English version page. Currently we have a our traditional Chinese Wiki Page: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%83%8C%E5%8C%85%E5%AE%A2%E6%A3%A7 And would love to translate it into English, I've requested submission on our English page but got rejected because of Not sufficiently notable for inclusion. May I ask what kind of additional content I should add to meet the standards? https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Backpackers.com.tw

Thank you Wiki Community! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.rcchen (talk • contribs) 07:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Michael.rcchen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We can't "make" your company notable, and no amount of editing can make something notable; a company must meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable company as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources in order to merit an article here. If your company does not have this, it would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field.

You will need to review and comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies; the latter is mandatory. 331dot (talk) 07:32, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Must comply with COI and PAID before continuing to work on the draft. The reviewer rejected the draft - which is stronger the declined. By English Wikipedia standards, Your references do not count toward establishing notability. May be a situation of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 07:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi David notMD, thank you so much for the feedback, I understand it now. Hopefully our company will be notable one day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.rcchen (talk • contribs) 04:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

inserting photograph?

I am currently baffled on how to insert a photo into a Wikipedia entry, specifically using one already in Wiki Commons. I accidently erased (and innocuous) photo and am trying to reload. I apologize for the error, the text entry is straightforward, not so much the photo protocols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodrusher (talk • contribs) 03:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Woodrusher:: Link: Woodstock, Virginia Perhaps you're talking about this:

[[File:2016-07-19 10 17 36 View south along U.S. Route 11 (Main Street) just north of Court Street in Woodstock, Shenandoah County, Virginia.jpg|thumb|left|Main Street in Woodstock]]

Image syntax is discussed at WP:PIC. A couple of notes: 1. You can always look back at the history of an article and see diffs and the state of an article at any time by clicking the View History tab at the top and edit an old version (without saving) or use the diff radio buttons to see code; 2. When posting to a discussion page, such as this one, please give links to specifics of your questions so people can better answer you without going back and forth with Q&A; 3. Please sign your postings to talk pages (like this one) by adding four tildes ~~~~ at the end. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Submitting draft for review

When the draft in my Sandbox is finished how do I submit it for review? I see no 'Submit' button. BFP1 (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1

​I've added the button to your sandbox (you can also add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft, which will submit it for review). Submitting articles for review is not a requirement though, you are free to move the article to its final title yourself. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Thjarkur. As a matter of interest, how do you move the article to its final title oneself? BFP1 (talk) 07:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Given that you previously had a submitted draft declined (and then were able to improve it), my suggestion is submit this one to AfC as you did last time. David notMD (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you David. I think that is the preferred route in my case. BFP1 (talk) 07:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Referencing newspaper article in French

Hello, I would like to reference this article (https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1134628/raed-charafeddine-entre-bdl-famille-et-hiking-en-haute-montagne.html) as external link Reference, what is the best way, apart from adding "(in French)", shall I also provide an English translation for the readers and if so, where and how? Thank you very much!— Preceding unsigned comment added by MarthaBergman (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey MarthaBergman. If you want to include this as a reference for content an article, that is allowed and if possible you should include a short translated quote directly supporting the content in the article. You may be interested in reviewing out tutorial on referencing for beginners for the technical steps in doing so. However, if you want to include this in the external link section, this is generally done only in rare cases, such as when the official website of a subject is itself in a non-English language, and there is no English language version available. GMG^talk 19:37, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, MarthaBergman, I basically agree with GreenMeansGo. Since you're new to Wikipedia, and since this Teahouse page discussion will get archived and harder for you to find, I've responded at length at your Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 23:11, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey and Hello GreenMeansGo and Mathglot, thank you both so much, spot on in terms what I needed and well explained and guided!! Mathglot, very kind, I will chat more to you on Talk page later today. Best wishes, MarthaBergman (talk) 11:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

How to find other Wikipedians events ITRW?

How do I find Wikipedia Meet ups, edit a thons or other events? I have looked but I can only announcements of past events.Toandanel49 (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Toandanel49: - meta wiki meetups can give forthcoming meetups on the right, for editathons and related, the best place is meta wiki events Nosebagbear (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, that was the UK list, which may or may not be of use to you, there is a combined events list at the WMF's event list. One other good place can be to ask your country's chapter list here, which have websites and contact details Nosebagbear (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

How i became administrator on wikipedia

How i can become administrator on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukhpreetkaurmylove (talk • contribs) 06:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sukhpreetkaurmylove Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Administrator candidates must be nominated at WP:RFA, after which a week long community discussion takes place to evaluate the merits of the user being given admin powers and their qualifications. You can nominate yourself, but typically a different user will nominate a candidate. There are few formal qualifications required, but a user is expected to have an extensive edit history usually going back years and involving several thousand edits(though there is no specific number required) that shows they have a need for administrator powers, understand Wikipedia guidelines, have a good temperament, and can make good decisions(among other things). As you currently have no edits to the main encyclopedia, your chances of a successful nomination are close to zero. Keep in mind that you do not need to be an administrator to do 95% of tasks here. Just concentrate on being a good Wikipedia contributor and if other editors notice your edits and feel you would be a good administrator, they will nominate you. Being an administrator carries no special status, they are just like any other user, they just have extra buttons that would be irresponsible for everyone to have. 331dot (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Sukhpreetkaurmylove and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not easy to become an administrator on the modern Wikipedia, but I suggest that you spend a couple of years editing here, making constructive edits in mainspace, avoiding or dealing intelligently and calmly with disputes, avoiding pushing your own opinion, showing that you understand Wikipedia policies (I've been here over ten years and still don't know all of them), possibly create a new article or two in your second year, then think about applying for adminship if you still think it worthwhile. You need to be aware that the main jobs of administrators are cleaning up messes made by ordinary editors, and applying agreed policies. They have no more control of the content of Wikipedia than you do yourself as a new editor. To get you started on your Wikipedia editing career, you might like to try WP:The Wikipedia Adventure to get some initial practice. Dbfirs 07:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Administrator is not a paid position. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

article

how i create new article without Article for summision i.e direct see exzample https://mr.wikipedia.org/s/4fto like this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishna34552 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Krishna34552, since your account is just two days old and not auto confirmed yet, you can't directly create new articles. Once your account is auto confirmed you can directly create articles without placing them for submission. Also, pls remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes. Andrew Base (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

what is this

what is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.106.98 (talk) 12:46, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello. As described above, the Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have any questions? --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 13:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like Wikipedia Training to Post My Friends and My Information

Hatting lengthy content. This is not the place to post an entire draft article for comment
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Patrick McLeod L. Patrick McLeod (born March 31, 1960) is an Mr. Canada, Mr. World Bronze Medal, Mr. Universe 10 Pl. Canadian amateur bodybuilder who competes in the lightweight and Bantam National class. Biography Early life Mcleod was born and raised in Kingston, Jamaica. He came to Canada in February 1967. He first became interested in weight training and bodybuilding when he watched his first movie at the theater in Kingston Jamaica, called “Hercules Unchained”, at 5 years old. This set the course for the rest of his life. He was going to be BIG and Strong. This was further reinforced by reading the back of comic books about bodybuilding. McLeod would later recall in a magazine interview that he was motivated by superhero action figure G.I. Joe and the Rocky and Rambo “Pumping Iron” with Arnold and Lou, films to develop his body to its fullest muscular capacity.[1] As a child McLeod’s parents enrolled him many sports, and he never lost interest in the sports.[1] At High School McLeod was involved in wrestling, track and field and football while he was a student at Thomas Liard Kennedy in Mississauga, Ontario .[2] He became a wrestling Star at TL Kennedy with his massive arms he became Peel Champion, Peel Halton Champion and a Top OFSA Competitor for all of Ontario high schools. McLeod attended George brown in Toront,Ontario, where he majored in computer engineering and design sciences. McLeod later attended Ryerson University in Toront,Ontario, where he majored in Business sciences. He initially played on the university's football team, but later left the team and switched his athletic focus to bodybuilding-related weight training.[2]Outside of bodybuilding, McLeod worked as a personal trainer at Super fitness for Ken Wheeler. Ken Wheeler gave McLeod his major start in bodybuilding when he brought the Great Mr. Universe Mohammad Makaway for Egypt to Super fitness. Ken Later brought on the famous Gladys Portugues, McLeod was in heaven to be Training around theses great superstars of Bodybuilding. He divides his residency between Mississauga and Toronto, Ontario. Bodybuilding career Armature contest history Age – 19 1980 – Started to Train for Bodybuilding at Vic Tannys. Became very good Friends with Ken Wheeler – Owner of Vic Tanny’s 1981 – Ken Brings Mahammad Makaway Mr. Universe to Train me at Vic Tanny’s 1982 – 1st Competition Mr. Vic Tanny’s – Wins 2nd Place Trophy 1983 – Mr. Toronto Competition – Wins 1st Place Trophy 1981 – Ken Wheeler Brings Gladys Portuguese Ms. Olympia to Train me at Super fitness 1984 – Working at Super fitness for Ken Wheeler at Young & Eglington – “Trained Thousands of Members about fitness and Health Over 5 years”. Till 1989. Chin CNE Event: 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 – Wins 1st Place – Warm up Shows Promoting Bodybuilding at Night Clubs (as Entertainer): 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 1987 – Mr. Ontario Championships – Wins 3rd Place 1988 – Mr. Ontario Championships – Wins 1st Place 1989 – Eastern Canadian Championships – Wins 3rd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics. 1990 – Eastern Canadian Championships – Wins 2nd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics 1991 – Mr. Canada Championships – Wins 3rd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1992 – Mr. Canada Championships – Wins 1st Place Mr. Canada Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1993 – Mr. Universe, Graz Austria – Wins 10th Place Mr. Universe Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports, OBBA, CBBF, IFBB, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1994 – World Games, Bodybuilding as a Sport. The Hague, Holland – Wins Bronze Medal Canada Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports, OBBA, CBBF, IFBB, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1994 – Canada Cup Championships – 1st Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics 1994 – 1999 – TV Host & Producer – “The Muscle Files” Promoting Bodybuilding, Fitness and Health Seen by Millions across Canada and around the World. Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness. 2000 – 2010 Trained and Advised Many Athletes and Trainers Across Canada about Bodybuilding, Fitness and Nutrition. 2015 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts - Became an OPA Judge 2016 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts - OPA Judge at 2 Shows 2017 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts 2018 – Became a Major Sponsor of CPA Events Across Canada 2019 – Became a Bodybuilding Ambassador for the CPA in Canada Mr. Canada, Mr. World 3rd Place, Mr. Universe 10pl. Patrick McLeod L. Patrick McLeod (born March 31, 1960) is an Mr. Canada, Mr. World Bronze Medal, Mr. Universe 10 Pl. Canadian amateur bodybuilder who competes in the lightweight and Bantam National class. 1Biography o 1.1Early life o 1.2Bodybuilding career • 2Pro contest history • 3References • 4External links Biography[edit] Early life[edit] Mcleod was born and raised in Kingston, Jamaica. He came to Canada in February 1960. He first became interested in weight training and bodybuilding when he watched his first movie at the theater in Kingston Jamaica, called “Hercules Unchained”, at 5 years old. This set the course for the rest of his life. He was going to be BIG and Strong. This was further reinforced by reading the back of comic books about bodybuilding. McLeod would later recall in a magazine interview that he was motivated by superhero action figure G.I. Joe and the Rocky and Rambo “Pumping Iron” with Arnold and Lou, films to develop his body to its fullest muscular capacity.[1] As a child McLeod’s parents enrolled him many sports, and he never lost interest in the sports.[1] At High School McLeod was involved in wrestling, track and field and football while he was a student at Thomas Liard Kennedy in Mississauga, Ontario .[2] He became a wrestling Star at TL Kennedy with his massive arms he became Peel Champion, Peel Halton Champion and a Top OFSA Competitor for all of Ontario high schools. McLeod attended George brown in Toront,Ontario, where he majored in computer engineering and design sciences. McLeod later attended Ryerson University in Toront,Ontario, where he majored in Business sciences. He initially played on the university's football team, but later left the team and switched his athletic focus to bodybuilding-related weight training.[2]Outside of bodybuilding, McLeod worked as a personal trainer at Super fitness for Ken Wheeler. Ken Wheeler gave McLeod his major start in bodybuilding when he brought the Great Mr. Universe Mohammad Makaway for Egypt to Super fitness. Ken Later brought on the famous Gladys Portugues, McLeod was in heaven to be Training around theses great superstars of Bodybuilding. He divides his residency between Mississauga and Toronto, Ontario. Bodybuilding career[edit] Armature contest history[edit] Age – 19 1980 – Started to Train for Bodybuilding at Vic Tannys. Became very good Friends with Ken Wheeler – Owner of Vic Tanny’s 1981 – Ken Brings Mahammad Makaway Mr. Universe to Train me at Vic Tanny’s 1982 – 1st Competition Mr. Vic Tanny’s – Wins 2nd Place Trophy 1983 – Mr. Toronto Competition – Wins 1st Place Trophy 1981 – Ken Wheeler Brings Gladys Portuguese Ms. Olympia to Train me at Super fitness 1984 – Working at Super fitness for Ken Wheeler at Young & Eglington – “Trained Thousands of Members about fitness and Health Over 5 years”. Till 1989. Chin CNE Event: 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 – Wins 1st Place – Warm up Shows Promoting Bodybuilding at Night Clubs (as Entertainer): 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 1987 – Mr. Ontario Championships – Wins 3rd Place 1988 – Mr. Ontario Championships – Wins 1st Place 1989 – Eastern Canadian Championships – Wins 3rd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics. 1990 – Eastern Canadian Championships – Wins 2nd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics 1991 – Mr. Canada Championships – Wins 3rd Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1992 – Mr. Canada Championships – Wins 1st Place Mr. Canada Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1993 – Mr. Universe, Graz Austria – Wins 10th Place Mr. Universe Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports, OBBA, CBBF, IFBB, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1994 – World Games, Bodybuilding as a Sport. The Hague, Holland – Wins Bronze Medal Canada Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports, OBBA, CBBF, IFBB, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness 1994 – Canada Cup Championships – 1st Place Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, Ego Sports Clothing, PCI Geomatics 1994 – 1999 – TV Host & Producer – “The Muscle Files” Promoting Bodybuilding, Fitness and Health Seen by Millions across Canada and around the World. Sponsors: Toshiba of Canada, Brooks Running Shoes, Cyber Genetics Supplements, OBBA, PCI Geomatics, Super Fitness. 2000 – 2010 Trained and Advised Many Athletes and Trainers Across Canada about Bodybuilding, Fitness and Nutrition. 2015 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts - Became an OPA Judge 2016 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts - OPA Judge at 2 Shows 2017 - Worked with Winston Roberts Promoting Bodybuilding Across Ontario - Marketing for the Coburg Shows at many Competitions. - Helped with weigh-ins and helped the Statisticians. - Collection of Payments for Bodybuilding Shows - Became Confidant and Friend with Winston Roberts 2018 – Became a Major Sponsor of CPA Events Across Canada 2019 – Became a Bodybuilding Ambassador for the CPA in Canada Mr. Canada, Mr. World 3rd Place, Mr. Universe 10pl.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.195.250 (talk) 12:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, if you have a draft article you should create this either in your sandbox, or in draft space by following instructions at WP:AFC, and then post a link here if you want advice on it. Posting an entire draft article, or lengthy information about a subject, clogs up this page and is dusruptive.

Secondly, if this article is about you and/or your friends, you have a conflict of interest and you should read that policy page and be aware of the rules when editing with a COI.

Finally, this is not really the place to ask for another editor to create an article for you. You can create the article yourself following the guidelines at WP:AFC, and after reading Help:Your_first_article. However, you should only do so if you believe that you meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and you have sufficient reliable sources that cover you in detail, and which you can use as references in the article. Wikipedia is not simply a place for personal information, resumes or autobiographies. Hug^syrup 13:16, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Can I add a list of notable authors?

Dear all, As I would like to do my first edit, I have a question. Can a list of notable authors can be added to a page on Wikipedia? I noticed an example here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Alfred_A._Knopf (there is a list of notable authors added), can the same be done for this publisher as well: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/OmniScriptum Any comment will be appreciated. FYI 2020 (talk) 14:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

FYI 2020, you can (WP:BOLD), someone else may think it's a bad idea and revert you (WP:BRD). It doesn't seem like a dreadful idea, but context is everything. Stick to authors that have WP-articles, and cite your additions. Primary source if you must, secondary if you can. That's my advice. Alfred_A._Knopf#Notable_authors should preferably be referenced, but at least the "main" article is referenced. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

FYI 2020 I'm afraid I disagree slightly with Gråberg's comment and strongly advise you not to add a list of authors, given that you are a representative of the company (per your comments here), and given the fact that it is in fact a print-on-demand company established less than 20 years ago. While it is generally a bad idea to invoke other articles, it is worth pointing out that Alfred A. Knopf is a completely different type of company, which has existed for over 100 years and represents a number of genuinely notable authors. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you do add a list of authors to OmniScriptum it will almost certainly be removed. If there are any notable authors whose publication history with OmniScriptum is also genuinely notable, you can post a comment to Talk:OmniScriptum and provide the secondary sources for that. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

The WP:COI/WP:PAID-point is very relevant. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)FYI 2020, I tend to agree with Bonadea. Post to the talk page Talk:OmniScriptum with a list of authors that already have Wikipedia articles where you have citable sources showing significant publications by those authors at OmniScriptum and use {{Request edit}}, and see how the response goes. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

First, declare your Paid relationship. It appears that at the article's Talk page you have listed authors published by OmniScriptum who have pre-existing Wikipedia articles, thus making them notable. Per DESiegel, make that a Request edit and see what happens. David notMD (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

FYI 2020, I think you have misunderstood the phrase "notable author". It doesn't mean "notable person who happens to have written a book", it means "person who is notable as an author". Maproom (talk) 07:13, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Dear all thank you for your time and comments. It has helped me a lot.FYI 2020 (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

search for names

Jeffery Stuart Pettis (who has an article) is usually known as Jeff Pettis and when I searched for Jeff Pettis it told me there was no article by that name. How do you make a synonym lookup name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conscientia (talk • contribs) 15:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Conscientia, I have created a redirect from Jeff Pettis to Jeffery Pettis.   Maproom (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

i want to post a article on the topic of a international payment gATEWAY..

BUT THE MATTER HERE. IS THAT WP is not letting me do it. now how should i do this. This is neither my personal nor im promoting it for respective purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Millersara (talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

First of all, my brain hurts after reading that. Second, you should create the article in a draft rather than directly into the article namespace if that's what you intended, and third, can you please explain how Wikipedia is "not letting you do it"? StandardWikiMan (have a chat) 16:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Millersara. I am not an admin, so I cannot look at the deleted versions of your sandbox; but creffett and Sir Sputnik clearly both found them to be promotional, even if you didn't think they were. I'm guessing from this edit that they may have been about Pearlvine: are you connected with them in some way?

The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about itself: it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it. Were your draft of that sort, or were they based solely on what the subject says about itself? --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sources required for Test Score report of a school

I added a score report of a school to its page but someone undone it stating it require better source. I found the data from that school's district website. What was wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnjamesxyz24 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Page concerned: Herndon High School

Hello, Johnjamesxyz24 and welcome to the Teahouse. The other editor indicated that a WP:SECONDARY source is required, that is, a source from somewhere other than the school itslef. I am not sure that I fully agree, but the plavce to discuss that would be Talk:Herndon High School. The other editor, John from Idegon is qujite exprienced and is only trying to protect the quality of Wikipedia's articles, and help restrain promotional content, and be sure that our articles remain verifiable. Please discuss on the article's talk page if you disagree. But if you cna find a source that is independent of the school, please cite that, it will be better and simpler. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Formatting Tables

Hello! I am currently editing a draft for a Japanese band which I've already submitted for review. I'm trying to make the article look cleaner and organized by adding tables for the Discography section. However, I am only able to use Visual Editor and is still having difficulties understanding and using the source editing mode for formatting the table width/height adjustments, merging cells, and text alignment in the cells. Any advice or external resources for beginners are much appreciated! Thank you! Gareth Gravas (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gareth Gravas: I assume you've looked at Help:Table and the other articles to which it links? I'd suggest you find another similar article with a discog and edit it (don't save anything) to see how it is done there. I'd leave any sort of width/height adjusting alone for now – there are many different devices, browsers, and skins used by readers, which all render things differently, and a fair amount of experience is needed to know what can and can't be done there. Just stick with basic table formatting and you should be ok. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Contribution

Hello and good day . I want to make certain contribution and add on peoples profiles . How can I do so Please inform me. Regards Kaiser Ashrat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.194.195.166 (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "profiles". Wikipedia has articles. Most articles are able to be edited by anyone. If you have an independent reliable source for your contribution, feel free to make it. You may want to learn a bit more about Wikipedia first, such as by reviewing some of the introductory pages located at this link. If you don't feel comfortable making the edit yourself, it's okay- you can make a comment on the article talk page(click "Talk" at the top of the article to access the talk page) asking other editors what they think about your proposed change. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Invitation

How do I invite people to see an article I changed? Jtarvin (talk). 11:52, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Jtarvin, Howdy hello! If you're asking how you link a page, you can do that internally by using double square brackets, such as [[your page here]]. If you'd like to "ping" certain users, you can do that using a ping template, which {{ping|person you'd like to ping}}. That will send them a notification that you pinged them, and direct them to that page. If you'd like to link externally, you can of course just copy paste the URL. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:45, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jtarvin: Keep in mind that {{Ping}} is only to be used on talk pages, not in an article itself, so you can't directly use it for what you ask. If you want someone to look at an article, you could post a short request on their talk page (e.g., User talk:Jtarvin is your talk page). Note, though, that editors generally have plenty of things they want to do in their time here, so it's fine to ask someone to review your work if you've been previously discussing it, but pinging multiple uninvolved editors would be considered disruptive. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:21, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jtarvin: I'll also add that editors add pages in which they are interested to their watchlist, and review the list regularly, so they'll see your changes if the page is on their watchlist. FYI, you can set a preference to auto-add pages under various circumstances to your own Watchlist at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

how do I write an article in Wikipedia

I am from India and would like to do a write up on an artist of repute. What are the guidelines to complete the write up? I need to know the number of words, the dos and donts, and the complete guidelines. Thank you

Aparna Achar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparsree (talk • contribs) 05:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Aparsree: Hi. The key point, before you do anything else, is to determine if they are notable according to English Wikipedia's standards. The specific notability requirements for artists are at WP:ARTIST. You should assemble at least three high-quality reliable sources that discuss the artist and their work in detail (not just that they exhibited in some gallery somewhere with no real depth), and those must be independent of the artist or their representatives, not based on PR. If you can establish that, you can follow the guidelines in the welcome message I will post to your page to prepare a draft for review. Meanwhile, you might also search for other similar artists who already have articles here and get an idea of how the article should look and what it should contain. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Aparna, and welcome! You are certainly welcome to write an article about an Indian artist, after establishing that they are notable, as Alan said above. (Please read WP:NOTABILITY, as Wikipedia's notability requirements for the creation of an article differ somewhat from the English word notability.) In the case of an artist, please read WP:NARTIST regarding notability. A couple of additional points to consider:

• Before you start writing, make sure the article doesn't exist already. Many names can be written with different spellings, and it would be a shame to write the article, only to find later that it already exists. In particular with names in Indic scripts, transliterations into English can vary (e.g., Sri, Sree, Shree, and so on). So, make sure you do a thorough search before beginning.
• Another point: do you have any connection to this artist, as in, a member of your family, someone you know or work for, or an agency that represents the artist? If so, it complicates things, especially for someone writing their first article. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but I highly recommend avoiding writing about someone you are connected with, especially as a new editor. For more details, see WP:COI
• Modifying an existing article is considerably easier than creating a new one, even for experienced editors. For a brand new editor, even more so. So I would also recommend learning the ropes at Wikipedia by making changes to an existing article, first. If you enjoy Indian art, you might try some of the artists listed in these categories: Category:Indian art, Category:Indian artists. Note that these categories are each the top of a pyramid of other related categories, and you can click the little blue arrowheads to see more levels. Finally, you might also check some of the other categories you can find here.

Hope this helps, and Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 00:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Creating a grey box for article profile

Hello, I would like to know how to create and format the grey boxes for both the person's profile on an article (name, place of birth, occupation etc.) and for the table of contents. I am using visual editor!

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anigroeg (talk • contribs) 16:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

That's called an infobox, and you would use {{Template:Infobox person}}. You can find it here in case you need to find it. StandardWikiMan (have a chat) 16:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

And the contents table is generated automatically once the article has four sections, Anigroeg. I would point out that an infobox, like an image, is a "nice to have", not an essential part of an article. It is far more important to do the hard work of finding the reliable independent sources on which every article must be based (iMDB is not regarded as a reliable source, because it is largely user-generated) and writing an article based on those. Indeed, unless you find those sources first, you may be wasting your time, because without them you cannot demonstrate that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's terms. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Anigroeg: Note that infoboxes are used to summarize information that is already discussed in the body of the article. Have a look at John Greyson as an example of the use of {{Infobox person}} for a director. You can edit the article without saving it to see which parameters are used for what. There is also documentation at {{Infobox person}}. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Nazi-Censorship in German wikipedia

I wanted to post something in the "Diskussion" of keyword "AfD" which was erased over and over again. The AfD is a Nazi-Party.

Lutz Fehling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.15.238.24 (talk) 22:08, October 26, 2019 (UTC)

Please specify which page you are trying to edit. There is no AfD in the editing history of your IP. RudolfRed (talk) 22:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

It's apparently about de:Special:Contributions/89.15.238.24. Each Wikipedia language has its own policies and processes. I don't know how the German Wikipedia operates and we have no power over it. You indicated on a talk page that a living person is a Nazi. That could also be reverted at the English Wikipedia per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Our talk pages are for discussing improvements to the associated article. Alternative for Germany (AfD) does not identify as Nazi. I think most people just consider them right-wing or far-right but not Nazi. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, you beat me to it. Lutz is talking about the German political party, which they altered in this edit at de:Alternative für Deutschland, which was reverted here by German (well, Austrian ) user Oesterreicher12 (talk · contribs) (de:talk · de:contribs). A follow up edit by IP was again reverted. It was an OR comment/question which would be collapsed or deleted at en-wiki per NOTFORUM, but as you say, de-wiki has their own rules (maybe, kein Chat-Raum). Anyway, this is really an issue for de-wiki, not us. Mfg, Mathglot (talk) 22:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I want everybody who answered me here to thank a lot!

I don't understand everything but it seems that what I wrote in the "Diskussion" to keyword "AfD" in the German wikipedia is still somewhere hidden in the storage.

Lutz Fehling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.15.239.110 (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

@89.15.238.24: Lutz Fehling, on the English Wikipedia "AfD" is a very common abbreviation for "Article for Deletion". Could this be part of the problem? --Thnidu (talk) 04:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Thnidu, just a heads-up: IP's cannot be pinged. To notify them, leave them a {{Talkback}} on their Talk page.

Lutz: oben, so haben Sie geschrieben:

..but it seems that what I wrote in the "Diskussion" to keyword "AfD" in the German wikipedia is still somewhere hidden in the storage

aber mir ist das Kauderwelsch. Können Sie hier od. direkt auf meiner Benutzerseite erklären, bitte? Mfg, Mathglot (talk) 01:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

How to best overhaul an already-existing article

With respect to Sacred Heart Preparatory (Atherton, California):

The subject matter of the above referenced article is decades out of date. It's been considered "Sacred Heart Schools, Atherton" since at least as far back as its 1998 centennial and the integrated school encompasses a PK/K program, elementary school, middle school, and the aforementioned prep school. To my knowledge, there's no mention on Wikipedia of anything outside of the prep school.

I'd like to create a single entry for "Sacred Heart Schools, Atherton" with a major section for "Sacred Heart Preparatory," but don't know how to do this with the blessing and assistance of the editors who have worked on the existing article.

Can you please point me to best practices for initiating something like this? Ottoump (talk) 21:26, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

​The authors of the article haven't edited here for 10 years, so you can almost certainly just be bold and make these changes. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ottoump: You might also want to read the essay WP:TNT.

Note that if you are connected in any way to the topic of this article, you should follow Wikipedia's Verifiability policy to the letter: be meticulous in your use of reliable sources and citations, ensure that you add nothing based on your own knowledge that has not been published, and be liberal with the use of footnotes. Also, please read WP:COI to see if it applies to you, and if it does, follow the guidelines given there. Good luck with the article! Mathglot (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ottoump: While the article was originally created 12+ years ago, it has since been edited over 500 times, so others might have opinions. I would mention it at the talk page and wait a couple of days, even though you probably will not get a response since the page has fewer than 30 watchers. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone, for your comments. Excellent points. Some quick takes:

• I love Be Bold. Great advice, for life as well as editing.
• Per the advice here, I inserted a COI disclosure on the page. I'm the parent of a middle schooler at the school, and it has been bothering me for several years that there's no mention of the middle school in Sacred Heart's Wikipedia article. I'm not paid, granted a cushier cloud in heaven, etc. I hope the disclosure suffices, as I'm hoping to learn Wikipedia syntax, tools, and philosophy as a side effect of the undertaking. If the COI clouds things too much, then I hope it prompts someone less interested in the topic to more aggressively edit the article.
• I'm not relying on any inside information, except to the extent that it prompts me to look for something published on the topic. Just this morning, another parent told me about a Food Scarcity class her freshman daughter was taking, and it involved the slaughter of a campus goat, plucking of campus herbs, and cooking on a campus open-hearth. My question: "Is there anything published on that?"
• If the COI passes muster, then I'll post suggestions for changes in stages. If nobody takes up a suggested change after, say, a week, I'll give it a crack myself. Or they can tell me why it's a stupid idea and we can take it from there.

Going through the Manual of Style now... Ottoump (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Ottoump, well done. I think you're well-positioned to improve the article. I dropped you a message at the article Talk page. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:21, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia Page of Sathyaprakash is missing

The below mentioned page is deleted. Sathyaprakash Not sure why? Can you please restore the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.93.108.254 (talk) 07:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The given reason for deletion that appears when the link(which I've made a standard internal link, the whole web address is not necessary) is clicked is "Unambiguous advertising or promotion: self-written vanity page, see WP:YFA WP:COI WP:RS WP:notability (people), no refs either". In non-Wikipedia speak, it appears the article(not just "page") was written by the subject and had no sources, both of which are not permitted. Promotional activities are also not permitted. 331dot (talk) 07:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Name of an article

Hi,

I was editing my article thinking I was at The Sandbox. But, I did something wrong and was published.

Now the article it's OK but the name appears with the word Draft. Is Draft Colección SOLO: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Colección_SOLO

There`s a way to write the correct name?

Thank you very much.

namile17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namile17 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Namile17: - welcome to the teahouse. It's ok, your article isn't published yet - it is still a draft. You can continue working on it until you are happy, and then submit it for review. You can do this by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top of the article. Hug^syrup 16:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

You presumably didn't intend to submit it for review yet, so I've reverted the submission. Before submitting it you need to include references as inline citations, see Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much @DavidBuddulph and @Syrup. I really appreciate it. How many inline citacions I need? I have several articles from magazines and newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namile17 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Namile17. You need a minimum of 2 or 3; but much more important than the number is the quality of the sources. Inexperienced editors sometimes flood their drafts with large numbers of low-quality citations, but that makes it much harder for reviewers to assess the notability of the article. What we require is that each source is 1) That it is reliable - published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking; 2) that it is substantial - not just a passing mention, or an entry in a list or directory; and 3) in most cases it is independent of the subject of that article - not produced or published by them, or based on a press release or interview, but the result of somebody unconnected with the subject of the article, and unprompted by anybody connected with the subject, choosing to write at some length about the subject. (A small number of non-independent sources may be used, to verify uncontroversial factual information like places and dates; but the bulk of the content of the article must come from independent sources.) Take as a guiding principle the idea that Wikipedia is not interested in anything the subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people unconnected with them have chosen to publish about them. --ColinFine (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very mucha @ColinFine. I have the references but I but I was wrong with the edition, I put it in other place. I'm going to resolve it. Thanks a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namile17 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft Article

Hello Tea-Housers! Recently I came across this article: Hershey Felder that was in desperate need of cleaning, sources, etc for reasons that I stated on the talk page here: Felder Talk Page. I copied the entire contents to my sandbox and completely gave it an overhaul with reliable sources; pairing it down to just the subject's notable accomplishments: Maineartists Sandbox. Since there are not a lot of eyes on the article itself, let alone the Talk Page, I'm wondering if someone could just take a quick peek at my edits to see if it is an improvement or if I trimmed too much off the bone. Thanks in advance! Maineartists (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Maineartists: I think it looks like an improvement. Go for it and see what others say. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:27, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thanks! Always worried when such drastic changes are administered to an article at WP. Maineartists (talk) 20:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Maineartists: BTW, in discussion pages like this, just like in article space, you should use wikilinks to internal pages, not external links. E.g., Talk:Hershey Felder and User:Maineartists/sandbox. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Sorry. Didn't get your notice for some reason. Checked here because of your edits. Can you tell me why re: above? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Maineartists: Why use internal links? They are better tracked via things like Special:WhatLinksHere/Talk:Hershey Felder. I didn't ping you because it was a minor matter and some people dislike pings. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thanks! I love getting pinged! I'll use wikilinks from now on! Maineartists (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm confused about a certain user conduct issue--don't know where to report it.

Hi,

I've been in kind of a conflict with another editor about a certain article's opening statement. I've made a new topic on said article's talk page, but he has refused all of my invitations to debate the issue. But content is not the problem. For his last edit, he's made a new account imitating my pseudonym(replacing the l in Qualcomm250 with a capital i, an I), with his talk page consisting only of "Imgay". I think that's a misconduct, but I'm not sure where and how I should report it. Here are the edit history and talk page in question: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Normans&action=history https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:QuaIcomm250 Qualcomm250 (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Qualcomm250! If you are having problmes with another user and they are not responding to any of your attempts to deabte the issue, you can create a post at WP:ANI, as for them imitating you, I went ahead and reported the account with the capital I. That is considered a misconduct. If you have any further questsions, feel free to ask! Happy Editing! LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 12:55, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Qualcomm250. It really quite good that you're trying to resolve this via talk page discussion per WP:DR; it's also really quite bad that someone has decided to try and impersonate you and even may be resorting to WP:SOCK to try and force their edit through. However, this edit is not really what Wikipedia considers to be vandalism; it might be wrong for some other reason, but it's not vandalism. They other editor was WP:BOLD and made a change that they thought was an improvement; when you WP:REVERTED the edit the first time, the onus was then on the other editor to follow WP:BRD and try and establish a consensus for the change on the article's talk page. You did your part, and now they are going to be expected to do theirs. However, you need to be careful here to make sure you don't engage in edit warring and violate WP:3RR over this kind of thing no matter how right you think you may be. Unless there's a really serious violation of policy taking place, you're better off seeking administrator help before you get to three reverts because any further reverts might actually lead to you yourself being warned or even blocked. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

An external page redirects to a different website - should it be updated?

On the Battle of Chantilly page, one of the links in the "External links" section at the bottom redirects to a different website. The link on the page is [1], but that URL redirects to [2]. Should I change the page to link directly to the redirected page, or leave it as is? Fwaff (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Fwaff, welcome to the Teahouse. It's good to update external redirects if the wanted content is still at the target but often you have to update more. If a citation has an |accessdate= with an old date then update to the date you checked the new link is working. In this case it's not a citation but the description includes "Civil War Trust". The link redirects to a site called "American Battlefield Trust" so the description should be updated. Indeed, our Civil War Trust article mentions it is now the American Battlefield Trust. See more at Wikipedia:Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Fwaff. If possible you should try and preserve the link as explained in WP:ELDEAD. Maybe there's an archived version of the old link that can be found. If, however, the information on the two pages is identical and all that has changed is the url address (which seems to be the case), then you can just re-place the older link with the newer one or just leave it as and let it redirect to the new page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I have posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#civilwar.org now redirects to battlefields.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

dunia global

Pengembang aplikasi global internasional — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilhammaulanakhizbullah (talk • contribs) 14:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Ilhammaulanakhizbullah, do you have a question? LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 14:56, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

2019-20 winter

We Need to get this started, there have been 2 winter storms already and nobody has made a page about it yet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProGamerYT676 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@ProGamerYT676: Go for it! You can follow the steps at WP:YFA to start work on a draft for this article. RudolfRed (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll Think About it — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProGamerYT676 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Creating a new page about an architectureal design office that could be considered promotion

Hello,

I would like to ask how it would be better to start a page about an architectural design office from Romania. The content is relatively defined and includes a description and a list of major projects. The only issue pertains to creating a page that can be considered a promotion, even though the main goal is providing information. I would like to ask how the article should be marked so that it does not breach any terms of service for publishing. I have read the general guidelines, consider adding the connected contributor (paid) and already disclosed the affiliation on the user page. I hope this is sufficient and if not, please, provide more guidelines, also for what could be considered accepted content and what could not be. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Oopy1 (talk • contribs)

Oopy1: First off, you'll need to prove their WP:NOTABILITY. If you cannot do this, the article cannot and will not be published. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Oopy1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for merely providing information; that is considered promotional here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia it summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in this case, that will be the definition of a notable company. Because of this, Wikipedia has no interest in what an article subject wants to say about itself, only in what others say about it. In order for you to be successful, you will essentially need to forget everything you know about your office and only write based on the content of independent sources. That does not include press releases, routine announcements, staff interviews, the office website, or any other primary source. That is usually difficult- though not impossible- for people in your position to do. If you truly think that you can write an appropriate encyclopedia article- and since you have disclosed your COI and paid status- you can use Articles for Creation to submit a draft. If you just want to tell the world about your office, you should use social media, your own website, or one of the alternatives listed here.

I would also suggest that you change your username, as it is essentially that of your office, and group/business names as usernames are not permitted on the English Wikipedia. Usernames must indicate that an individual is operating your account(you do not need to use your real name). Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a username change request. 331dot (talk) 18:18, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Oopy1, on a further note, your office does not appear to be notable. I did a search for news and information about it from second and third party sources and found effectively nothing.

I understand your guidelines and appreciate your response. The username will be changed. The page about the bureau could be written partially following your suggestions and hopefully abiding to most.

Regarding notability: the design office is open for 15 years. There have been many completed projects, participations and awards for projects at a large number of international competitions. To have a showcase, the website http://oopy.ro/?lang=en offers some information and a casual search on google shows that "oopy arhitectura" or the english name "oopy architecture" is quite well known. The first few pages are not necessarily providing relevant second and third sources but on the 3rd and following pages some entries appear on the google search page that prove the noteworthy status of this potential page on oopy arhitectura. I have given the following details in the hope that the page creation process will be considered as useful and not be rejected.

I would also like to point out that the page https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Dico_%C8%99i_%C8%9Aig%C4%83na%C8%99 exists, is about an architectural design office, is still present despite many discussions about partial and complete removal and serves as a basic information page even though it may contain slightly promotional details as it stands right now. Even more, the design office is not necessarily more notable since it has coordinated a major project some years ago, will still do in the future, but world recognition is a lot lower. Also, an important point is that there were fewer projects coordinated overall, as it seems, than in the case of oopy design office and total revenue per year is not much higher for Dico&Tiganas.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Oopy1 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC) 

@Oopy1: Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). What examples exist of qualifying media coverage of your architecture firm? Please choose the best 2-5 examples and we can evaluate them. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok, here are five of them. Some are not in English but in Romanian. I have not included articles about participation and awards at many competitions on the organizers pages or short mentions about projects in other sources, just the more relevant ones, including some about the firm itself: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oopy1 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Oopy1: Sorry, these are not sufficient to establish notability. See WP:CORP. Two of them are interviews, which are primary sources. One is a very brief profile akin to the "Profile in Forbes" that does not qualify. One is an article about a building in which the firm is mentioned only briefly. And in one the firm does not appear to be mentioned at all. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Translating quotes

Hi there! I'm currently underway to improve the page on Jakob Björck, which had been machine translated from Swedish. I'm wondering what the guidelines are for translating quotes. The original article in Swedish quotes an art study from 1902 as well as a diary from 1760. In both of these cases I am worried about whether I should translate them (with or without the original next to it) and how modern that English should be; I am tempted to simply re-write them into citations, but in the case of the diary quote I am not sure I understand its relevance (partially due to the age of the language).

Thanks in advance, DaintyDysphemism (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@DaintyDysphemism: The policy is WP:NONENG. Note that there is no need to have the English article directly track the Swedish article if you think there is a better way to write it. You can delete the quotations or move them into the references or whatever you think works best for an article that will be read by an English-speaking audience. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

DaintyDysphemism You do not have to use the quote at all, if it does not seem to fit the English article or draft, but if you want to use the quote, see MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE which says:

Quotations from foreign-language sources should appear with a translation into English, preferably a modern one. Quotations that are translations should be explicitly distinguished from those that are not. Indicate the original source of a translation (if it is available, and not first published within Wikipedia), and the original language (if that is not clear from the context).

If the original, untranslated text is available, provide a reference for it or include it, as appropriate.

When editors themselves translate foreign text into English, care must always be taken to include the original text, in italics (except for non-Latin-based writing systems), and to use actual and (if at all possible) common English words in the translation. Unless you are certain of your competency to translate something, see Wikipedia:Translation for assistance.

Ihope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@DaintyDysphemism:, I agree with Calliopejen1. I have created articles on en-wiki (English Wikipedia) that exist on other language Wikipedias; sometimes they are translations, sometimes I create them from scratch and ignore the original, and sometimes it's a hybrid.

One thing to keep in mind: any time you translate or copy material from a sister project like Swedish Wikipedia, you are obligated under Wikipedia's licensing requirements to note the fact of translation in the edit summary field. I would use something like this in every edit that involves copying or translation:

Content in this edit is translated from the existing Swedish Wikipedia article at [[:sv:Swedish article title]]; see its history for full attribution.

The statement above is not optional; it's required. In addition, when you are done with the article, it's recommended to add the {{translated page}} template to the Talk page. See also WP:TFOLWP and Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Calliopejen1 @DESiegel @Mathglot, your help has been very valuable (especially the part about giving credit in the edit summary - I had forgotten about that but fixed it now). I'll dig deeper into the Swedish article and its sources before re-writing that section. Follow-up question: if an edit contains both my own citations and translation of a citation, how should I separate the credits? Is it enough with a simple "Some of the content in this ..."? DaintyDysphemism (talk) 13:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

If your edit contains *only* translated citations, and no prose content, I don’t think you have to credit sv-wiki for that. A citation to an existing book is not intellectual property; you can’t copyright a citation itself; so no need for attribution in that case. If you have a mix of translated prose plus your own new additions, then yes, your “Some of the...” is fine. Sometimes, I translate but also make significant changes to the result, so it’s no longer really a translation of the original anymore. Then I say, “...has been adapted from a translation of...” or similar. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

To be clear: I’m using the word citation here in the Wikipedia sense, where it means a reference, not a quotation, as it often does in standard English. Mathglot (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Two column references

I am trying to improve Green America when I tried to make two column references entering the code , it did not work.Toandanel49 (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Toandanel49 and welcome to the Teahouse. The reason the columns didn't show was due to the picture of the cocoa farmers intruding into the reference section. I have fixed things with this edit. MarnetteD|Talk 19:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so muchToandanel49 (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

When will it be time for my draft to be published?

I recently submitted my article Draft:2020 in Wales for review. It was rejected on the grounds that it was too soon for the article to exist. However, not only has the article 2020 in the United Kingdom been created but also the equivalent pages for two other countries in the UK 2020 in England and 2020 in Scotland. The later of which is about the same length as the draft I submitted and the former isn't much longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llewee (talk • contribs) 15:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Llewee, in my opinion only the 2020 in the United Kingdom is just barely long enough to exist in the mainspace. The content of the individual country pages should all be merged into the UK page. When the UK page grows very long the content can be split back out to recreate the seperate country pages. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Llewee: Talk:2020 in the United Kingdom is probably the best place to discuss this to reach the related editors. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:41, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

OK, I will post on its talk page in a moment. Llewee (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I created an article but...

I'm not finding a google link. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandiDesiW (talk • contribs) 18:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@RandiDesiW: You are experiencing this because you created a draft, not an article. Drafts are not indexed by Google. Unfortunately, your draft is almost certainly ineligible to be published as an article. Please see WP:WRITER for the sorts of writers who qualify for Wikipedia articles. In addition, I removed a good deal of content from your draft per our policy WP:BLP. Unsourced negative information about living persons is not permitted to remain on Wikipedia, even in drafts (and even if it is included to show the subject of the draft overcame various obstacles). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link for anyone interested. Draft:Benjamin Rose TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Image

How to insert an image in someone's Wikipedia profile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bangladesh.Beauty (talk • contribs) 16:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy: This editor has been editing at Shirin Akter Shila. David notMD (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Please review Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1 to learn what sorts of images may be uploaded to Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons, and how to do those uploads. Assuming you have an appropriate image and later upload it, you can insert it into the article's "infobox" (the right hand box at the top of the article) by adding "| image = XXXXXX.jpg" (where XXXXXX.jpg is the name of the image you uploaded) in the infobox code under the "| name = Shirin Akter Shila" row when you click edit. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Page preview vandalised - how can I edit it?

The hover preview for this page [8] has been vandalised, but I can't find any information on how to edit these previews. I'd be grateful for your advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underpanticulation (talk • contribs) 20:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Underpanticulation: The vandalism has already been reverted.[9] Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:18, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1 - thanks for your response. However, the reversion you mention is not the problem I'm referring to. If you hover over the link to that page, the text has been replaced with "do not trust wikipedia every one can change it". It is this problem to which I refer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underpanticulation (talk • contribs) 21:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands. Underpanticulation is correct as I write this. Is it wikidata vandalism? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

No it's the vandalized version [10] which had been cached by Page previews. Sometimes it doesn't update (phab:T235346). Fixed with a dummy edit.[11] A null edit wasn't enough. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underpanticulation (talk • contribs) 23:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete account

I'm on the wikipedia app . How do I delete my present account and start a new one ?

grrr2000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:314F:B247:C82:855F:8568:3A89 (talk) 09:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted, whether you are using the app or not. It may help you to use the Desktop version of Wikipedia on your phone, as the app does not have full functionality. If you do that, then simply log out of your account. If you just want to change the name of your account, you can make a request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Twinkle on mobile

Hello, i've been on Wikipedia for about a year and a half now and i only edit on my phone and i also don't edit that much. I was bored so i just decided hey, i want to use the Twinkle thing cause it seems to be a very convenient gadget to use and so that maybe i can contribute more on the platform. So i turned it on and..... nothing, there's no TW thing on the top of the article. Idk if im just stupid and it's actually there or Twinkle can't be used on mobile. Help --FromFrank✎Talk♬ 06:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

FromFrank Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think Twinkle appears in the mobile version of Wikipedia, but you can switch to the Desktop version on your phone and Twinkle is in that. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

• • I don't know how to access the desktop version. Please teach me --FromFrank✎Talk♬ 09:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

At the foot of the page in the mobile view you will see a "Desktop" link. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

It should also be an option in the 'Options' section of your browser - at least on Android - underneath options to bookmark a page and see your search history. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 10:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Article creation

I tried to create a page but I was informed I have to create a draft . I created the draft and I am currently editing it . How do I submit my draft become an article so that everyone can see — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taymeedeeray (talk • contribs) 10:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Taymeedeeray Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can submit your draft using Articles for Creation. Before you do that, though, you will need to put independent reliable sources in your draft to support its content. You may wish to read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I need Help

Am new here on Wikipedia and tried posting an article but its has been rejected. Please i need — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharkiola (talk • contribs) 11:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Sharkiola Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was rejected as it did little more than tell that the school exists, and had no sources to support its content. Wikipedia article must do more; they must summarize what independent reliable sources state about the school with significant coverage, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization.

If you work for this school in some manner, you will need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing.

Before you attempt to work on your draft again, you may want to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to get an idea of how Wikipedia operates and what is being looked for in new articles. Successfully writing a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia, especially when not familiar with how the process works. You may also find it helpful to spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works. New users who do that increase their odds of success. 331dot (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing

How does one edit or add info.... for example I wanted to correct the city my son was born in and perhaps add some info about his early life — Preceding unsigned comment added by C27899 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@C27899: Welcome to the teahouse. Who is your son? Almost all articles can be edited by anybody, you should see an 'edit source' button at the top of the page on desktop, or a pencil icon on mobile. However, it is usually best not to edit topics that you have a close link with, as this is a conflict of interest. In addition, any information you add has to be backed up by reliable sources and not simply from your own knowledge. Hug^syrup 16:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Curious about an autopatrolled user without explicit such right

This doesn't say the user is autopatrolled. But this page created by him was logged as autoreviewed on account of the creator being autopatrolled (can't find the exact location of log history right now, but the page curation tool left a message on their talk page on behalf of me which confirms that I didn't hallucinate this). I have never gotten an option to mark my own articles as reviewed even though I have NPR rights. I did mark the article as unreviewed as it was UPE creation, which I am uncomfortable with being marked as reviewed by the creator himself. Still curious how he could have done that? Is there something global that supersedes autopatrolled in enWP? Or I missed something obvious? TIA Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 18:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Usedtobecool, This is because I am a Global Rollbacker. Autopatrol is by default. See Special:GlobalGroupPermissions/global-rollbacker. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 19:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Cooool... -- Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 19:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Notify me accurately what changes have you don with the Aromanians article.

I would like to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanno the Navigator (talk • contribs) 19:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@Hanno the Navigator: Welcome to Wikipedia. You can see all the changes in the article's history: [12]. You can also add this article to your watchlist to be notified whenever it is changed. See WP:WATCHLIST. RudolfRed (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Entry on Bridgital Nation

Could we collaborate to ceate an entry for the book "Bridgital Nation"? I attempted to create an entry for "Bridgital' twice, but failed! Please advise.

Ravi Sundaram 08:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundaram.Ravi (talk • contribs)

Hello, Sundaram.Ravi. Has the book been the subject of several substantial pieces of writing, published by reliable publishers and written and published by people wholly unconnected with Modi? Until it has, the book will not be notable in Wikipedia's special sense. --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Sundaram.Ravi. Note that we already have an article on the book's author, Natarajan Chandrasekaran. To begin with, it might be more appropriate to add some material (based only on Reliable sources, please) about the book to that article, and wait to see if the book itself becomes well-enough reviewed and discussed in Reliable sources as to merit its own article (i.e. to become "notable" as we say here on Wikipedia). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.179.237 (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

About drafts

Hello, I've seen once or twice that there is a way, on enwiki, to tell new editors that a draft has been made about a topic, but that the experienced editors said it is not ready to be published. However, it is useful to find that the subject is not notorious enough or to see what the draft was lacking. Besides, other editors may use the draft instead of starting from scratch. Some French wikipedians would like to learn from your experience. On FrWP, new editors make drafts that can't be published, however we would like to show them on the search results for any interested editor in the future.

• How do you manage to have the drafts appear in your search results with the mention they have been rejected?
• Should a new editor work on the basis of the draft, how do you credit the author of the original draft? Do you make a clone / copy of it in the sandbox of the next editor?

Kind regards, -- Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 22:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bédévore: welcome to the enwiki teahouse. For your second question, you can leave a note in the history about the original source, or, alternatively, just work on the same draft. For adding them to search results, there is the wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault setting (see mw:Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault for more) than can be used to include the draft namespace. You just need to file a request on phabricator if the community supports the change --DannyS712 (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bédévore: Not sure about the searching. Any editor can work on a draft, no need to move it to a new draft page. The history of the draft will show who edited it. RudolfRed (talk) 22:52, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @DannyS712: could you please show me what it looks like when a note is inserted in the history?

I will tell about the code on FrWP, several editors will be interested about it.

Editors on Fr would like to find drafts written by IP users, and usually they don't appear in search results. Sometimes a draft only needs a few citations and it is ready to be published: we would like to find a way to list such stubs. Kind regards, -- Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 22:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bédévore: are drafts in a separate "Draft:" namespace? For a note, see, eg, https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:DannyS712_test/sps.js&action=history - "complete copy of User:Evad37/SPS.js, see that page for attribution", https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Waverley,_Rotherham&diff=915341207&oldid=915356674&diffmode=source - "new article started (translated from the Swedish version)", or (for copying from enwiki) https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steering_the_Craft&action=history - "Towards a UKLG GA Simplified from EnWP https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Steering_the_Craft&oldid=650220879". Really, anything that works as attribution should be fine --DannyS712 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: thanks. We don't have namespace for drafts on fr. We are talking about it, hence my questions about the management of drafts. I don't understand a single line about the code however there are smarter people than me on fr and I will show them the code. The examples of attribution from history are clear. Thanks as well, @RudolfRed: - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 23:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bédévore: if you would like (and the community supports) adding a new namespace for drafts that is searchable (so you can find the drafts) but not indexed (so that google doesn't see them yet) just leave a note at fr:User talk:DannyS712 --DannyS712 (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: thanks ! We are debating at our village pump about what can be done and we are eager to read the feedback about drafts on enwiki. Once we know the options, we will need a community decision about what should be done. :) Thanks for your offer, I told the other editors. We will need someone proficient both in English and computing for the details. Kind regards, -- Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 23:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

On Special:Search any user can choose to select the namespace(s) that a search will cover. By default, however, only a very limited set of namespaces are included in the search results, not including drafts, and this is by design. Consensus to change this is, in my view, unlikley to be gained. That is because the default set is what is used by readers who are not editors, and users who are not logged in -- in other words, this is part of the public face of en.Wikipedia. Drafts, almost by definition, are not ready for general public veiw. We take staps to make sure that search engines such as Google do not index them, and to omit them from standard, default searches. Draft pages are public in that anyone can see them and choose to help develop them, but one must explicitly search for drafts, or know the name of a draft, to find it. (Welol they are shown in the new pages and recent changes feeds, and similar places, but those are used primarily by patrolling editors, not by the general public.) Some of the rules for articles are relaxed for drafts, but precisely because of this, drafts are not advertised to the world via default search results. Dose this make some of the reasons for the current state of things here? Obviously the fr Wikipedia may choose to adopt different policies, but if they do create a draft: namespace, I rather think that it would not be included in default searches there either. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @DESiegel: not sure I'll explain it clearly; on fr, when you search for an article that has been deleted, the search engine reads "Article Name was deleted after a debate", so that editors know they can't create it without a request and a new debate. Maybe we could use the same kind of code for drafts : "There is no ArticleName on WP, however there is a draft that matches this name". So that editors may see what has already be done about the subject and figure out what needs to be improved before the article is ready for main namespace. I think I've seen something like this on enwp. That's an option we could use. Or have I dreamt ? ;) Kind regards, -- Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 18:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I think i understand, Bédévore. Technically, I beleive that en.wp could do as you are sugesting. However, I doubt very much that we will. Suppose that an editor creates Draft:XYZ and there is no article XYZ. If a user types "XYZ" into the standard search box, that user will be taken to a page saying that there is no article XYZ, but that one can be created. Most users do not accept this invitation. Since the draft may well be woefully unfinished, and may never have been reviewed by anyone, and may remain that way for a significant time 9while that would be far less likely in the main article space), we do not want to link a general reader looking for info about the topic XYZ to an unapproved, perhaps unreviewed draft. If the user knows Wikipedia well enough to take positive action to include draft space in the search, than that user probably understands the limitations of drafts, and will not confuse the draft with a finished article. Otherwise we do not want to take a general search to the draft page, notr provide a link to it. All this is only my opinion, of course, but I think it is the current consensus. There would need to be a site-wide discussion to change thisl, as it was set when the draft namespace was created on this site. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

HOMEOPATHY

Dear ladies and gentleman. May I edit the page giving information on HOMEOPATHY? With my best regards, Katarina Glas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.111.47.87 (talk) 21:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

You can, at least in the short term, edit that article (it has a WP:SILVERLOCK) when you have become WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, which includes WP:Create an account. Before you start editing, I recommend you to read WP:BRD and the info at the top of Talk:Homeopathy. There's quite a bit of it, for whatever reason. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:27, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Why not correct false information on Wiki?

Hi, I just added information (cited twice) to back up a stated cause of death for Shelley Lubben.

Prior to my editing, it said she died from STD and the associated citation did not even mention STD.

So, I did my own research and added what I found in a succinct statement with two citations. I did not delete anything anyone else had done but just respectfully added my new information.

Zinnober9 says it was not constructive.

How can adding legit citations in a respectful way not be constructive?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1704:E04:B96E:82E8:3AC5:B0D9 (talk) 22:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP, the problem with your edits was that you added meta-commentary – an encyclopedia article can't comment on itself. The text about STDs was in fact vandalism added about a week ago, so you were right to question that; instead of saying "That's false" you could simply have removed that particular text. The two sources you added don't seem to meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sources, though – the first one doesn't work at all, and the second one appears to be a personal blog. But you can always post to the article talk page and ask about that, to see what other editors think. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 22:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Census Data

Hi!

I am working on an expansion for Rio Grande Valley in my sandbox and was thinking about taking parts of this census data and making a table. Is that allowed according to the no new research policy? Any thoughts would be much appreciated. user:Jmjosh90 Joshua 22:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jmjosh90. I think what you mean is "no original research". Content isn't necessarily prohibited because it's "new" or "new research", but rather because it cannot be verified through citations to reliable sources. In some cases, it might be best to wait a bit when the subject of an article is breaking news because (especially these days) even reliable sources tend to report on things as they happen just to get the news out and in many cases end up reporting something entirely different in their next news cycles as information is discovered; so, it an be a good idea to wait until things settle down a bit before trying to add content to Wikipedia. In the case of census data though, it's probably not going to change day to day from what's found in the actual report; so, it should be generally OK to use as long as you properly cite where the information is coming from and properly reflect what the source states without adding your own interpretations to it. The page you linked to above, however, looks to be one of estimates that are published yearly; these estimates may eventually come true, but right now all that can really be said about them is that they are estimates. So, whether you can use that information might depend on how you intend to incorporate it into the article. Since you're working on an expansion to an existing article, you might want to ask for specific feedback about this on the article's talk page or on the talk page of one of the WikiProject's whose scope it falls under. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing a Wikipedia article

Can you give me a step by step way of editing a Wikipedia article using Visual Editor?

You just look at the text and then place the cursor where you want and edit it as in any text editor. Ruslik_Zero 07:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Any text editor? It totally refuses to obey my vim commands. —Tamfang (talk) 02:41, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide may help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

User Status

How do I figure out what type of user I am? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billjamin (talk • contribs) 13:53, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Billjamin! If you mean "type" in the sense autoconfirmed user etc, see [13]. It will show up at "usergroups". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

You can also see your own user groups at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Or did you mean something like this? —Tamfang (talk) 02:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hlalanathi Nyango

Hi Teahouse I need to create my own Wikipedia page without to be blocked what I suppose to do?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hlalanathi Nyango (talk • contribs) 10:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Hlalanathi Nyango: Hola y bienvenidos a la casa de té. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. Interstellarity (talk) 10:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Please, also see Help:Your_first_article. Ruslik_Zero 10:54, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

How do I create my own Wikipedia page that cannot be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hlalanathi Nyango (talk • contribs) 11:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

That's not possible and I see you have been blocked. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

To create a webpage that cannot be deleted, get your own website; I believe there are still a number of free hosts. —Tamfang (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Query related to acceptable content on a user talk page.

Initially I just want to ask this question generally without pointing out where i saw it just to get my own logic and facts straight here. Can a editor write anything and everything on there their talk page such as - "Genocide is happening in XYZ LOCATION and the world deserves to know." and place it permanently at the top of their talk page, that too without any supportive material, where the usage of the word "genocide" is highly contentious? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

This page [14] describes what is allowed on user pages. Fwaff (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi DiplomatTesterMan. Content on user pages needs to be in accordance with Wikipedia:User pages. Editors are given a bit of leeway when it comes to their user pages, but anything that falls under WP:UPNOT is not considered OK. A single sentence like you posted above might be borderline OK as long as the entire page doesn't turn into an attempt to right some great wrong of otherwise advocate on behalf of some particular cause. If you feel that things are heading in either of those two directions, then you can express your concerns to the other editor by posting a message on their user talk as explained in WP:USERTALKBLOG; perhaps, they are a new editor who's just not familiar with relevant policy and guidelines. If you do post something, try to be WP:CIVIL and just point out how the page may be a violation of relevant policies and guidelines; if you go straight into attack mode and start criticizing them, you're likely going to receive a similar response in return. If they don't respond or tell you to mind your own business, then you can (if you want) seek help from an administrator at WP:AN or WP:ANI. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:38, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Suppose one is insecure about whether one's own userpage violates WP:UPNOT. Is there a way to ask for review? —Tamfang (talk) 03:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect

User:Piotrus place this on my talk. Is he an administrator? Do I need to read Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe? Do I need to read Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list linked from there? Do I need to read Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland I saw in Haaretz? That's a whole lot of reading. Can Piotrus demand he pre-approve anything I remove? Is it OK he make fun of my English? Gunter888 (talk) 05:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Gunter888: Anyone can place warning templates, much less notification templates.

Really, the notification is so that we can say you were warned if an uninvolved administrator (looks like that's me, at the moment) decides to impose discretionary sanctions on you. For this reason, it would be a good idea for you to read Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe and any policies mentioned there (as well as WP:Assume good faith).

Also, "Nicht" isn't English. Asking you to use English where possible (especially when you know the right word) is not "making fun" of you. That you are taking it that way suggest that you really need to read WP:Assume good faith until you get why I've linked it twice even though I know I'm not the first person to do so. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

This is the second time he did this. Sometimes when I type fast or if I don't proof my text my German comes out of the cracks. It slips in when it is the same word in German and English. I don't try to do this on purpose. I did proof every text I put in outside of talk. Knowing English, being able to write OK English if I proof, does not stop my from mixing German in when I type faster. Gunter888 (talk) 05:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

The solution to this particular problem is both obvious and simple, then, Gunter888. Slow down your typing speed until German does not creep into your English writing. Proofread your text, including your talk page comments. Talk pages are not places for you to write in a confusing blend of German and English. This should be self-evident. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Is it OK to remove old notices about bad behaviour or is the user talk page intended to be a permanent record?

For example, when I was a young and naive user of Wikipedia, I misguidedly created a frivolous page. The notice of nomination for speedy deletion is still on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything (talk • contribs) 11:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything You are permitted to remove content from your user talk page in most cases.(there's a few exceptions that I don't need to go into, but in general you can) User talk pages are not meant as permanent records. The record of the edit will remain in your edit history, but that is harder for people to find than if it is just on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything. Further to 331dot's comments, you can read more about this at WP:REMOVED. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything: See the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages:

Personal talk page cleanup: Although archiving is preferred, users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages. Users may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. (...)

HTH :) --CiaPan (talk) 11:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Created article - need help

I created the article, "Astara (Spiritual)" but it was deleted because I had copied and pasted it. I have now paraphrased it and used more than one source as advised at the help desk. Please edit it to make it conform to the rules of wikipedia. Thanks!—Spasiba5 (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Spasiba5 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The only sources you have are the dictionary definition of the term, and a website associated with the movement. This does not establish notability. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about article subjects that meet that special definition of notability. You will need at least three such sources that give in depth coverage to this subject.

If you haven't already, you may want to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to better understand what is being looked for in new articles. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: @MoonyTheDwarf: @Fyrael: can you edit it to make it acceptable?—Spasiba5 (talk) 13:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Spasiba5 I don't know anything about the subject and don't have the time to research it. However, no amount of editing can make something notable. If you do not have independent sources establishing that the subject is notable, it would not merit an article at this time, regardless of how well it is written. If you think such sources exist, but you need time to find them, I would suggest that you consent to the page being moved to Draft space where you can work on it with less fear of deletion. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I could find only 2 references online. So do you think it is going to be deleted again?—Spasiba5 (talk) 14:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Spasiba5, It does not appear that it's notable enough to stay, sorry. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: @MoonyTheDwarf: @Fyrael: OK since that article may be deleted, I made this edit that can be seen here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/924052629

Is that edit acceptable?—Spasiba5 (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you linked the correct diff, but that seems to just be removing a few words in the article. Sure it's acceptable, but it doesn't change anything about the notability of this topic. -- Fyrael (talk) 18:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fyrael: Sorry, the correct link is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/924076960 — Spasiba5 (talk) 18:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Spasiba5, no, that edit was not acceptable. A disambiguation page should include only one-line definitions with links to existing Wikipedia articles. If Astara (Spiritual) is deleted via the current AfD, then it will be removed from all disambiguation (DAB) pages. And if it is not, then there should be only the usual one line description and link there. That is what is in the page now, and should stay unless the article is deleted, in which case it should be removed. The article Astara (Spiritual) currently seems likely to be deleted unless better sources can be found, but there is still time to look for independent published reliable sources that discuss the subject in some detail. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel: I am new here and may not be able to find a "reliable source", can you please do that? Thanks in advance!—Spasiba5 (talk) 15:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Frankly, Spasiba5 that is why we advise people to work on existing articles before trying to create new articles from a blank start. In the case of Astara (Spiritual) I rather suspect that sources do not exist. Not every possible topic will ever have an article on Wikipedia. Topics must be "notable" for an article to be created and not deleted. This means that people not involved with the topic must have written about it, in some detail, in reliable sources. If that hasn't happened, Wikipedia can't report what those sources say, and that is what Wikipedia articles do. What a person knows through personal experience, or what a subject says about him-, her- or itself, is not ewnough. There need to be independent sources, and you might well know better where to find them in this case than I. Have there been news stories, or magazine articles or books written about Astara by people not involved in running the group, either online or offline? Do you know of any such? I can run a quick google search, and I will, but that doesn't find everything, and if yu know of such a siource, this is the time. If you tell me what the source is and where it was published, I might be able to help format it and insert it into the article. In future, please don't try to create a new articel unless you have the sources in hand first. It saves so much trouble. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

HDI tag on Mumbai

Hello, I would like to know why no one has put a HDI tag on cities like Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai and Bangalore? Especially Mumbai as it is an alpha city recognised internationally at +0.85 HDI!! Thankyou! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riddhidev BISWAS (talk • contribs) 03:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC) Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 18:22, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Riddhidev BISWAS, and welcome to the Teahouse. The usual answer to "why has nobody done X" is "because nobody has chosen to do it": Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and people work on what they choose. You are welcome to add this information (I see you have provided a source, which is good). However, the way you have tried to do so has no effect, because you have tried to add it to the "HDI" parameter of {{infobox settlement}}; but that infobox has no such parameter, so it gets ignored. If you think it is important, you can add it to the text of the article. You can also, if you wish, argue for the parameter to be added to the infobox template, so that it can be used in future. Make that argument at Template talk:Infobox settlement. (I see that somebody made the same suggestion a year and a half ago, but nobody responded or acted on it, so it might be an idea to drop a note at WT:WikiProject Infoboxes or WT:WikiProject Cities as well). -- (talk) 10:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot ColinFine.

Fylindfotberserk did the necessary to add the HDI tag. Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 14:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Right name but wrong band

My friend's band is called The Supertones and they are an instrumental surf-rock band from Manhattan NYC that has released over 20 albums and are legends in the surf guitar world. There is another band called OC Supertones who are a grunge rock band from Orange County CA. The band on this Wiki page features The Supertones, (in the later revivalists) who are credited in the page but it links to OC Supertones Wiki page.

List of surf musicians

On none of this band's albums are they called The Supertones but they are always called OC Supertones or Orange County Supertones. Can Wikipedia make them change OC Supertones name so The Supertones can be rightfully given the right sounding page name? We want to start building the Supertones history page on Wikipedia right away. What is the process?

Thank you for looking into this matter...

yours truly Rob Stevens Rock Rose Music — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music web guy (talk • contribs) 03:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Music web guy and welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest that you create Draft:The Supertones. If you can find appropriate Independent published reliable sources to support an article, each can be appropriately listed in List of surf musicians.

Please in future sign comments on discussion pages like this, and talk pages, with four tildes(~~~~). The wiki software will convert them to your signature and a timestamp.

Do you by any chance have a Conflict of interest with this band or others I see you are writing about? Are you perhaps a paid editor? If you are or expect to be paid, you must disclose this in accordance with WP:PAID. If you are associated with any of these bands, please read and comply with the COI guideline. If all of this is not relevant to you, please understand that many new editors do have such conflicts and we need to ask. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

To emphasise something that DES said, Music web guy: Wikipedia only takes note of subjects that are notable (in its own special meaning). Unless your friend's band has been written about in independent reliable sources, or won a major award, Wikipedia will not take note of it, and no article will be accepted however it is written. It will also not be able to be added to any lists, or disambiguation. Wikipedia is not part of anybody's publicity or web presence: it is an encyclopaedia covering notable subjects. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Colin - still the Wikipedia link I listed above called List Of Surf Musicians is incorrect. The OC Supertones are not a Surf band (as the article portends) but rather a Ska / Punk band. The real Supertones band, simply called The Supertones, as they are listed in the article, are the right band. This link needs to be fixed to corroborate the actual band mentioned on the page. I would think that Wikipedia would want to have the correct information about this important band on a page that is supposed to be factual. I know I am new on Wikipedia but I am a noted expert in my field and I have evidentiary references to support this fact. I am only trying to support the truth as I use Wikipedia in my everyday life and fully support the knowledge it offers. I am a well known musicologist, editor and web site owner for over 47 years. Thank you for your work. RSMusic web guy (talk) 18:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

submitting articles for review

how do i submit my articles for review — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhee jah (talk • contribs) 18:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dhee jah: If you have a draft already, you can add to it {{subst:submit}} to submit it for review. If you don't have the draft yet, you can follow the steps at WP:YFA and use the wizard there to create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 19:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Dhee jah, and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles that are already iin the main article space do not get reviewed in that sense. Drafts, which are potential articles do. If a draft already has an Articles for Creation template in place, as Draft:Yaa Jackson does, then you can submit for review by simply clicking the blue button that says "Submit your draft for review" near the bottom of the box now at the top of the draft. If there was no such box, you could submit for review by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft and saving (publishing) the change.

However, I would advise doing some more work on Draft:Yaa Jackson before submitting it. I am not sure that peacefmonline is a reliable source, the ghanaweb source is based on an interview and so counts little toward notability, The Pulse source has some value but is not really in depth, and a google search is not a valid source at all, and should not be used. Additional good reliable sources are needed in this draft, and submitting nit without them would only waste your time, and that of the reviewer, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC) @Dhee jah: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Please why was my post rejected?

Good day, sorry to bother you. I made my first post here, earlier today but it was rejected.

I'll like to know why, where I went wrong and how I can better make that post for it to be approved.

I'm really new here and I'll be glad if you could help me better my contribution skills on this platform.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkyly (talk • contribs) 20:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

The reviewer who rejected (stronger than declined) your Sandbox made clear that this person (you) do not meet Wikipedia's definition of notable, meaning that people with no connection to you have published articles about you and your accomplishments. This is not a matter of improving the draft. Wikipedia is not a social media. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mikkyly, and welcoem to the Teahouse. It seems that you attempted, at User:Mikkyly/sandbox to create an autobiography, a draft for an article about yourself. This is strongly discouraged as you will see if you follow tge link and read our guideline on autobiography. But what is fatal is that there are no independent (3rd-party) published reliable sources discussing you in some detail. Even worse, the draft seems to be an attempt to promote yourself, and to appeal for funds. Neither of those are acceptable on Wikipedia, see our guideline on promotion. If you want to contribute, wonderful. Please select some topic other than yourself, your business, your family, or other things you are closely associated with. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

How to create redlinks

Hi. I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to create a redlink. There is a film called Hot Air with the actor Matthew Gray Gubler (and many others). I'd like to create that Wiki page for Hot Air, but I need to edit 10 times before being allowed to do so. I figured one quick way would be to go to the actors' Wiki pages featured in Hot Air and create a redlink for Hot Air.

For reference, here is Gubler's page linked to his film credits: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Matthew_Gray_Gubler#Film

Thanks for your patience and help!

Sincerely, JG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1jgoldstein (talk • contribs) 19:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

If you create a link to a page which doesn't exist, that makes it a redlink, see WP:Red link. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:51, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@1jgoldstein: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to add to it. You create a red link by linking to something that does not exist, like this: flooberbobber. But, instead of rushing to get edits, you should instead work on your article as a draft, which anyone can do, by following the steps at WP:YFA and using the wizard there to create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@1jgoldstein: There is already a page at Hot Air so the film would be at Hot Air (film) and linked with [[Hot Air (film)|Hot Air]] which produces Hot Air. I see you already made links to Hot Air movie. That is not how we make titles when a name is taken. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

edits

When you look up a certain let's say place, park, school, etc details on the right side of your computer screen pop up or when you look it up on your phone it pops up. and you can press the show more button. how do you edit that without going into Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonymousFriend123 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@AnonymousFriend123: Are you referring to something like Google's Knowledge Graph? The information there comes from many sources and Wikipedia does not have any control over Google. RudolfRed (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@AnonymousFriend123: Without more details about what you're seeing and where (like what URL you are browsing), it's hard to understand what you're asking. If you are seeing information from a Wikipedia article, you edit it from Wikipedia; that's pretty much all there is to it. What are you trying to accomplish or why don't you want to be "going into Wikipedia"? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

HELLO TEAHOUSE

Can I join Global Sysops and global block and unblock groups together at the same time ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreambar (talk • contribs) 19:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dreambar: Well, probably not. WP:ADMIN describes the role of admins and the RfA process. In short, you generally need experience (thousands of edits) with many different types of Wikipedia activities (especially WP:RFD) over at least several months (usually years), and in-depth familiarity with its policies and processes. I suggest getting some experience and honing your skills before considering applying for adminship, which is called "the mop" by many admins, referring to it being more work than privilege. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Global sysops are unrelated to the admins on English Wikipedia. @Dreambar: only stewards can perform global blocks/unblocks. If you have further questions about global permissions, you should ask on Meta. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 09:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Promotional article

How can I change my article from a promotion to an actual accepted artical? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakuna Lengo (talk • contribs) 02:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Hakuna Lengo: I added a header to your question. The best way forward is to stop editing articles you are connected to. Remember this is an encyclopedia and not an avenue of promoting or advertising your business. RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

You have been blocked for working on and submitting promotional content. You will first have to appeal your block on your Talk page before being allowed to edit existing articles or attempt to create a new article. I suggest that your appeal include a promise to not try to create an article on the topic that led to your block. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

User talk section headers

I've been idly wondering how so many user talk pages have sections (mostly warnings) with a section title consisting of a month and year, such as "September 2019". Is this some kind of guideline everyone knows about, or is there some software tool which autogenerates these section titles? Airbornemihir (talk) 10:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Airbornemihir, that would be WP:TWINKLE. There's dozens of things I would never do, some absolutely essential, but for the ease with which Twinkle allows me to do them. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 10:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Airbornemihir: Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings/Usage and layout#Layout also suggests it. It helps see recents warnings. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool and PrimeHunter: thanks! Airbornemihir (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorting an ambiguous title

I am still editing an article submitted as an AfC that currently has been given a working title of William Oliver (painter). I worry that this could cause future confusion as, in addition to 'my' William Oliver (1823-1901), there is another well known painter William Oliver (1804-1853). He is no relation to the younger person, who has, in the literature, sometimes been wrongly assumed to be the son and has been referred to as William Oliver (junior) or William Oliver (II). Would a better title be William Oliver (1823-1901) or can there be some form of disambiguation put in place in future?

All this assumes hopefully, of course, that my article will be accepted. BFP1 (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Added correction to clarify that William Oliver (1821-1901) was sometimes erroneously assumed to be the son.BFP1 (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Hello, BFP1, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you can find good sources, and write a reasonable article, that potential confusion should not matter. If and when a reviewer approves the draft, the reviewer is responsible for moving it to the main article space and choosing an acceptable article title that avoids confusion. There can also be various devises, such as a disambiguation page to help clarify to readers who the article is about and distinguish that person from others of the same or similar name. This is not a new problem, and Wikipedia has techniques for dealing with it. The most common ways to distinguish individuals is by parenthetical years such as William Oliver (1823-1901) or occupation, such as William Oliver (painter), whichever best avoids confusion. There are other possibilities. Don't worry about the name too much, just find good sources and write a good draft using them. Noe that if some reliable sources say that the two men are father and son, even if you are sure that is wrong, the draft should say that -- we follow the sources. If other sources say that they are not related, the draft should mention both, and perhaps say why one view seems more plausible. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks DESiegel. I'll just wait and keep my fingers crossed. Regards BFP1 (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

BFP1 can you tell me which source or sources incorrectly indicated that the two men of the same name were father and son, and which source or sources indicated that they are not related? With that, i could do a bit of work and perhaps get this ready for main article space. Intersted in some collaboration? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello DESiegel, The following mentions William Oliver the Younger: http://www.artnet.com/artists/william-oliver-the-younger/ And the following indicates that 'my' Oliver's actual name was William Oliver Williams while William Oliver was his professional name: http://www.bentonfineart.com/in-the-garden~377. I have tried to explain some of this in my draft. William Oliver (1804-1853) had only one son William Redivivous Oliver. The confusion arises as 'my' Oliver did not use his real surname professionally. I may have some other scraps of information BFP1 (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Dear DESiegel, There are widespread examples of the relationship error on the web as seen by the following. https://fineart.ha.com/itm/fine-art-painting-european/william-oliver-the-younger-british-1823-1901-blowing-bubbles-1869oil-on-canvas34-1-2-x-25-inches-876-x-635-c/a/5285-61522.s https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/1178-390/ https://www.lyonandturnbull.com/auction/lot/455-WILLIAM-OLIVER-THE-YOUNGER-BRITISH-1823-1901/?lot=138294&sd=1 https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/william-oliver-the-younger-british-1823-1901-oi-188-c-e2ef48008a https://www.liveauctioneers.com/en-gb/item/10724116_205-william-oliver-the-younger-1823-1901-oil-on-canv It would be useful if an article could correct this.BFP1 (talk) 08:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)BJP1::::::::Put necessary space in URL list BFP1 (talk) 09:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Thank you, BFP1 That will be very helpful. I haven't done much on the draft yet, but I will try to do more later today if I can. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks DESiegel. No problem, take your time. BFP1 (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Changing the default size of thumbnails for Wikipedia and related issue re text.

I've uploaded an image to Wikimedia and included it in an article but it's smaller than the right sidebar allows, so it just doesn't look great. I've played with photo_size = 200px (and 300px) but they make no difference. How to do this?

Also, the descriptive text is, now that I see it in use, a tad too long. Can I edit it, and how? TIA, Brett. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettA343 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, BrettA343. Are you referring to Christian Peak and the use in it of File:Christian Peak.jpg? (I ask in part because it seems that the uploadeer of that image was Ron Clausen, not your account.) That image is used via {{Infobox mountain}}. While that tempalte does support setting an explicit size via {para|photo_size}}, if this is left unset the image is rezed for each user to accommodate that user's individualk preferences, which is usually the best option. The photo caption can be set with |photo_caption=, which is currently blank.

If you had a different article in mind, please link to it so that specific advice can be given. The details of the coding on the page matter. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

No, I'm not referring to Christian Peak or its photo (though that's one of the 'models' I'm using to try to figure out how to add photos). I'm referring to Mount Lyell (Canada) and a new photo I added to Wikimedia (with descriptions that work in Preview, so I'm not using the photo_caption field). Since it's in Preview, it seems to me I can't link to it, unless I put it in just temporarily if need be to allow specific advice. Another issue I have is that there's a thin border around my image and caption (i.e. Wikimedia description) that I'd like to not show up. BrettA343 (talk) 22:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

BrettA343 I take it that you refer to File:MtLyell54321LyellIcefieldFromForbesSummit.jpg which is ncertianly a stiking image. Thanks for uploading it. If your change is "in Preview" I take it that you haven't saved (published) the change. in that case no one else can see it, and there is no way to give you advice. You could copy the wikitext of Mount Lyell (Canada), or the relevant section of it, to a test page such as User:BrettA343/Tests/Mount Lyell, make your change there, and save it. Then you could link to the test page and others could see it and advise. If you do that, please include Content copied from [[Mount Lyell (Canada)]] as of {date & time}, see history there for attribution in the edit summery when you paste in the copied wikitext . As to the think white boirder around he image, I think that is created by {{Infobox mountain}}, and i don't see a parameter or setting to change it when using that template. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Your solution, DESiegel, seemed a tad onerous, so I just published (I assume you added the photo - thanks!). It seems there's a glitch between the Preview and published articles, because the photo: 1. Fit perfectly when 'live' (but was about 4/5th size in Preview), and 2. Lacked the dark border that exists in preview. So, problem solved! Thanks again - now to figure out refs! BrettA343 (talk) 00:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, I spoke too quickly with my 'Problem solved', because with https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Mistaya_Mountain the image is both small and has an unwanted, thin black or grey border (the caption text wraps down a line, too). The only difference from my POV is that I've cropped this 16:9 to remove a watermark. Help, please! BrettA343 (talk) 04:10, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@BrettA343: Many infoboxes make their own image code and want the file name alone in a parameter. See the template page for documentation, in this case Template:Infobox mountain#Photographic and mapping parameters. I have followed that.[15] Spaces and sentence case is preferred in file names. You can select the name at upload time. It doesn't have to be the same as at your end. Don't try to change the already uploaded file names but think about it if you upload new files. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter, it seems I have a lot to learn! Also thanks to DESiegel, for your help above. BrettA343 (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

My pleasure to be of help, BrettA343. Its why I come here. You are very welcome. By the way, a ping doesn't work unles sit is signed in the same edit. If one is mi-typed (as I do far too often) one must either resign the corrected ping, or attach a new ping with a new signature for the notification to happnen. No problem in this case. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Life and Carrier

apparent proposed artifcle content
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Saad UllahRaheem Performance at Tehreek TV show Edithttp://saadullahrahim.wordpress.com He also used to write this program's script and, as a host of the show, used to try to keep it focused on the political comedy and satire and not let it wander aimlessly.[2] The crew and cast of Sim Sim used to do parodies or mimicries of Pakistan's known politicians like Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad, Rehman Malik, Shahbaz Sharif, Anwar Maqsood, Pakistani TV personality Tariq Aziz and pop music artist Ali Azmat among many others. Saad Ullah Raheem also used to include a short educational segment in this program, called Awam Lachar in which he used to point out the pronunciation errors in commonly used. His wife Kishwer Sultana has been appointed as Principal of Lahore College of Women University, Lahore, attracting ire from the opposition parties who think that Saad Ullah Raheem has been rewarded for supporting the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf government which is in power in Pakistan in 2019.[2] . Now a Days(2019) Saad Ullah Raheem playing new show Siah Si Batein on web Tv news channel Tehreek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad UllahRaheem (talk • contribs) 21:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Saad UllahRaheem: It looks like you want to make changes to an article about yourself, place the request on the article's talk page along with {{Edit request}}. RudolfRed (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

If you are trying to write an article about yourself, please read the advice against it, see WP:Autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)