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Blocking of my addition at Quit India Movement page by user Dympies
not an issue for the help desk. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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On "Talk" Page, you can read in detail. I have 4 historical citations for the same stuff which I tried to add in page "Quit India Movement" - It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SO CALLED HINDUTVA - this was my first contribution at Wikipedia and was blocked by Dympies who seems to be a very partisan person. People have advised me to take Wikipedia to a court in US (I am a US citizen). Dympies blocked it by saying citation should be from a book which is a non-sense. Several of Dympies' contributions fail his own test - for example on J.P. Nadda Wikipedia page, he has only one citation 18 (please see the weblink below - a political magazine India Today) claiming serious corruption charges against a very senior BJP minister in the PM Modi government in India - It is well known that "India Today" is anti-BJP (please Google words - "India Today anti BJP") - His sentence about corruption charge against Mr. Nadda and then also mentioning CBI report in the same sentence show that some how Mr. Nadda's name is there in the CBI report which is completely false (https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/jp-nadda-clean-chit-in-aiims-rs-7000-crore-scam-983691-2017-06-20) - his contribution on J.P. Nadda page should be deleted as it is from an anti-BJP political magazine based on he said she said type story. Significant number of his contributions need to be deleted at Wikipedia because all of them fall in this category - I do not have time otherwise I would have gone after each and every one by blocking citing same criteria which he used for mine. Significant number of Dympies' contributions are pro-Muslims and anti-BJP (in India) - his blocking of my stuff has nothing to do with lack of citations (of Hindutva) but instead he does not want world to know the stuff about MK Gandhi [why Gandhi opted for 1942 Quit India Movement) which I have written. Please read here what Dympies wrote to me Congress party is not known for fiddling with the history. It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history. Dympies (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply] Your statements after statements about baseless Hindutva propaganda as well as your Wikipedia contributions (of mostly Muslim stuff) clearly show me you HATE anything which can be remotely related to so-called Hindutva. It is useless to argue with a pro-Muslim person!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Your statements after statements about baseless Hindutva propaganda as well as your Wikipedia contributions (of mostly Muslim stuff) clearly show me you HATE anything which can be remotely related to so-called Hindutva. It is useless to argue with a pro-Muslim person!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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My reputation has been ruined. I need help trying to stop an unauthorized person vandalizing articles in my account.
Someone has been going on my account. It may be a friend, or some random guy. Whoever it is, they are ruining my reputation. please help! Space339(Ahnaf)❯❯❯ Let's talk! 00:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Edits on Wikipedia doesn't really affect your real world reputation. If you want to stop others from using your account, consider changing your password by following the steps at H:RP. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 00:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Space339, I have blocked your account as compromised. It is your obligation to maintain account security. Please follow the instructions that I left on your user page. Cullen328 (talk) 01:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
my edit was reverted because “ it did not appear constructive”?
Hello, I have just recently joined wikipedia (well today actually) and i started off by editing a page of a school where i studied, Potisarn Pittayakorn School. But it has been reverted back because my edits didnt appear to be constructive? Is it because my account is too new to edit these type of pages, or is it because I have to put sources and references to what i have edited? How should I solve this issue? apiwitch :3 (talk) 02:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect it was just an error. Removing the space from the name of the school makes it look to an English speaker kind of like a string of random letters, so the person who reviewed the edit probably thought it was someone vandalizing the page.
- Having said that, can you explain why you removed the space from the name of the school? Does the proper name not actually have a space? If so then the article should be moved so the title matches.
- @Fuzheado: Courtesy ping since we're discussing your revert here. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 02:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the proper school name doesnt have a space, as it would appear in the official page and also the school’s facebook page (https://th-th.facebook.com/potisarnschool/). If there was a space there it would be “โพธิสาร พิทยากร“, which would somewhat look a bit grammatically incorrect to anyone that knows thai. But at the same time if it had been compounded together i think it would look werid, so I think — would “Potisarn-pittayakorn” make less confusion than my edits? (or should i put both iterations of them?) And also, yes, I had forgotten to move the title of the article, so I would like to apologize for that, I mean I forgot to do so, so its kinds my fault i got reverted, i think? Overall, I understand why Fuzheado would revert my edits, and I dont want to have him get into trouble for this. So how should I proceed next? apiwitch :3 (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- First, just to set your mind at ease, nobody is getting in any trouble here, and neither did you do anything wrong. We assume good faith here; your edit was fine and Fuzheado probably just misjudged it. As someone who also does RC patrol, it's very easy to make mistakes now and then when reviewing large numbers of edits.
- There also isn't really an order you need to follow in terms of editing the name in the article versus moving the article to a different title itself. You have nothing to apologize for there!
- As far as the article goes, I can't really say whether the title should be all one word or be hyphenated. If you are a native Thai speaker, I'd actually say that you're in a better position to make that call. What do you think would make the most sense? --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 02:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- well, I think I could go back and make the same edits again, but with changing the article, or the title name of the page so that it wouldnt be mistaken as vandalism and also adding some sources for my edits. Is there a way to change the name of the title of the page? I know this is probably some kind of a newbie question that could be searched on the internet ( well i kinda got confused by it) but how would one do it exactly? im sorry if my question was a bit confusing. And also, thank you for helping me with solving this issue, sir. apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. I will undo the revert to your changes so that you don't have to make them by hand again. If you would like to take care of moving the page yourself, you should be able to. If not, I'd be happy to assist. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 03:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now, my account hasnt been autoconfirmed yet. and as ive looked on in the internet so far; it requires that status in order to move pages. So, if it doesnt bother you, could you assist me in moving the page Potisarn Pittayakorn School to the correct name of Potisarnpittayakorn School? Again, thank you for your help apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, right. I just moved the page. Thanks for your patience and for approaching this matter with grace and civility. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now, my account hasnt been autoconfirmed yet. and as ive looked on in the internet so far; it requires that status in order to move pages. So, if it doesnt bother you, could you assist me in moving the page Potisarn Pittayakorn School to the correct name of Potisarnpittayakorn School? Again, thank you for your help apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. I will undo the revert to your changes so that you don't have to make them by hand again. If you would like to take care of moving the page yourself, you should be able to. If not, I'd be happy to assist. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 03:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- well, I think I could go back and make the same edits again, but with changing the article, or the title name of the page so that it wouldnt be mistaken as vandalism and also adding some sources for my edits. Is there a way to change the name of the title of the page? I know this is probably some kind of a newbie question that could be searched on the internet ( well i kinda got confused by it) but how would one do it exactly? im sorry if my question was a bit confusing. And also, thank you for helping me with solving this issue, sir. apiwitch :3 (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thai is natively written sans spaces, so it can be hard to know where a space belongs in transliteration. —Tamfang (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the proper school name doesnt have a space, as it would appear in the official page and also the school’s facebook page (https://th-th.facebook.com/potisarnschool/). If there was a space there it would be “โพธิสาร พิทยากร“, which would somewhat look a bit grammatically incorrect to anyone that knows thai. But at the same time if it had been compounded together i think it would look werid, so I think — would “Potisarn-pittayakorn” make less confusion than my edits? (or should i put both iterations of them?) And also, yes, I had forgotten to move the title of the article, so I would like to apologize for that, I mean I forgot to do so, so its kinds my fault i got reverted, i think? Overall, I understand why Fuzheado would revert my edits, and I dont want to have him get into trouble for this. So how should I proceed next? apiwitch :3 (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Questions about drafts
Hi there! I've been editing a draft about a Squarepusher album (Draft:Dostrotime). The actual link for Dostrotime is currently a redirect that goes to his artist page. I submitted the draft for review instead of directly moving it to mainspace because I didn't know the process on how to replace the redirect with the article. So, I have two questions:
1. If a draft is already submitted for review, should I even attempt to move it to mainspace, or just wait for a reviewer?
2. How would you go about moving a (currently draft) article to replace a redirect? Beachweak (talk) 09:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since you wrote the entire draft, the simplest solution is just to copy the text of the draft and paste it in to the redirect. -- asilvering (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reply! Would I delete the draft afterwards? How would I go about doing that? Beachweak (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you want something deleted when you're the only author, you can use WP:G7. -- asilvering (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reply! Would I delete the draft afterwards? How would I go about doing that? Beachweak (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
How to make a new page?
Paul Cripple Bakija just passed away. He was the guitarist and founding member of REAGAN YOUTH and Along with the lead singer and co founder Dave Insurgent Rubenstien I knew them both from 1981 Forest Hills HS. Maybe we need a replay In Dog we Trust! 2603:7000:8800:BA36:A688:E44B:454F:B3DB (talk) 11:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- IP editor. Wikipedia has an article on Reagan Youth. For the moment, I suggest you include any new information there. Please ensure you use only reliable published sources for items like the death date. Note also that Wikipedia is not a site for creating a memorial to people. We aim to cover notable musicians but often don't have separate articles for band members. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
LGBT or LGBTQ?
I've noticed that a lot of pages say LGBTQ now, but some still say LGBT. Is it official that Wikipedia now uses LGBTQ? JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 17:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Neither, judging by WT:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies/Archive 79#Requested move 6 September 2024. The current Talk Page of that Project may be the best place to get comments from interested editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333, the general principle is to follow the sources. So, if the reference supporting the content says "Person A identifies as a member of the LGTBQ community", then the Wikipedia article should use LGTBQ in that specific context. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks so much! JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 23:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333, the general principle is to follow the sources. So, if the reference supporting the content says "Person A identifies as a member of the LGTBQ community", then the Wikipedia article should use LGTBQ in that specific context. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Inline links to other wikipedias
Let's say I'm writing an article that is strongly associated to a country with another language (for example, Javier Milei, president of Argentina, a country where people talk in Spanish). At one point the article needs to mention Rodrigo Lussich, a TV showman from Uruguay. There is no article about him on this wikipedia, but there's one at Wikipedia in Spanish. Should the name be left unlinked, as a red link, or as an inline link to the article in Spanish as in Rodrigo Lussich? Doing so may be misleading, the link seems a link like any other and sends the reader to a Wikipedia written in a language he may not understand (and perhaps even with another user interface), but I have found no policy or guideline saying that such a thing shouldn't be done. What to do, then? Cambalachero (talk) 19:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cambalachero: See {{ill}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Which gives Rodrigo Lussich.TSventon (talk) 20:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's probably better to format the inter-language link as
{{ill|English Wikipedia article name|lt=English Wikipedia article name visible to the reader|two-letter language code|Source Wikipedia article name}}because if an English Wikipedia article already exists under the same name (e.g. an article about different person with the same name), the inter-language link template will use the already existing article as the target article. There are some examples of this on template's documentation page. FWIW, this isn't a problem per se in the example given by the OP because no article about anyone or anything named "Rodrigo Lussich" currently exists on English Wikipedia; if one was created, though, the inter-language will automatically look like a "regular" Wikilink to readers and take them reader to the existing article's page, and the link to the non-English Wikipedia article will no longer be visible. Using the|lt=parameter with the inter-language link template also makes it possible to add English Wikipedia disambiguation to the target link if necessary and hide the disambiguation from the reader. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC); posted edit by Marchjuly per below. -- 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- Yes, but don't omit the "ill|" at the start. An example of the
ltfield in use:{{ill|Jun Watanabe (photographer)|lt=Jun Watanabe|ja|渡辺淳 (写真家)}}, producing Jun Watanabe. More often than notltisn't necessary. -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for catching that. Very silly mistake on my part. I've added the "ill". -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I (not OP) made the change. Now one of three usages of ill on the page. Not even close to the most usages of ill that I've seen on a page. :).Naraht (talk) 14:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for catching that. Very silly mistake on my part. I've added the "ill". -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but don't omit the "ill|" at the start. An example of the
- It's probably better to format the inter-language link as
Sockpuppet account
Hello, are there rules around sockpuppet accounts, and if so, is there anywhere I can discuss one that is interacting with me? It’s being used by a very experienced editor who seems to have a lot of supporters, but surely this is something that could be looked into by someone? Elinoria (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Elinoria, you seem to be engaged in a content dispute. I don't think there's any sockpuppetry going on, but the policy is listed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. A good way for you to resolve your content dispute would be to use Wikipedia:Third opinion. win8x (talking | spying) 21:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Win8x Thank you, I will use both. Very grateful for the Third Opinion option regarding the content, as I have been looking for something along those lines since this started on another article from the same editor. Elinoria (talk) 21:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- :) If it fails, feel free to use the other methods listed at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. win8x (talking | spying) 21:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @Win8x, again that’s helpful, this time because I managed to lose the Dispute Resolution Link during the stage where I had to exhaust the article talk pages. Elinoria (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- :) If it fails, feel free to use the other methods listed at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. win8x (talking | spying) 21:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Win8x Thank you, I will use both. Very grateful for the Third Opinion option regarding the content, as I have been looking for something along those lines since this started on another article from the same editor. Elinoria (talk) 21:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)