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[edit]My User Sandbox
[edit]I seem to have renamed or moved (or both) my own User Sandbox, which is not quite what I had in mind. i.e. User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox now redirects to User:WendlingCrusader/Vitry-le-Francois - Wikipedia which is a draft article that still requires work before I submit it.
Meanwhile I have 'lost' my original (empty) sandbox, and cannot begin work on anything else. Can this faux-pas be undone in any way?
This came about because frequently when editing one article, I cross-check information from a second article, only to find more editing is required on that second page. This in turn leads me to a third page, which I find has some editing flaws in it too. And so on.
I will try to give a live example; I looked at the Hawker Hurricane page, and thought there might be accuracy issues regarding which squadrons flew that aircraft type. This in turn took me to a number of RAF squadron pages, including one that clearly needed tidying up, and another that had mis-labelled one of it's pilots. As it happens, that pilot was notable enough to have his own page on Wikipedia, and that page also had issues. Suddenly I've got four editing projects on the go at the same time, and sometimes the same source answers questions on more than one of these pages.
What I was attempting was to create multiple sandboxes, allowing me to work on multiple drafts at the same time, giving me time to assemble all the various references & citations, checking & double-checking them, or waiting for a book to be delivered, or some free-time to visit a library. I didn't want to be rushed into hitting the 'publish' button, simply to allow me to start on the next project before I forgot what had attracted my attention in the first place.
But somewhere along the way I goofed up. So is it possible to go back to one original sandbox, without a redirect? Or better still a small selection of sandboxes, each with their own identifier? And is somebody going to suggest that I should only work on one article at a time, and quietly forget all the peripheral issues I invariably stumble across?
WendlingCrusader (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @WendlingCrusader: You should click on the link to your sandbox as provided, which will take you to the destination page. While there, click on the link in
(Redirected from User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox)
. Once you're there just edit the page and remove the redirect. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)- Thanks for your prompt reply, but I fear it is more complicated than that.
- From my user page, clicking on the sandbox link only takes me to this Redirect page
- https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox&redirect=no
- It is headed User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox, but this page is only a stepping stone, not the sandbox itself.
- Obviously when I click on the redirect, this second click now takes me to my revised sandbox, which right now is already populated with draft text for an article. So it takes me two clicks to reach a page that functions as my sandbox, but now has a different address.
- However, if I manually enter the following into my browser, https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox, it takes me directly to my sandbox, complete with
(Redirected from User:WendlingCrusader/sandbox)
just as you describe. But I just cannot find a way to edit the page and remove the redirect. - WendlingCrusader (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did it in this edit; you have to edit out the
#REDIRECT
. The edit links still work on the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)- It may be my failing eyesight, but wherever I searched I just couldn't find the #REDIRECT in order to edit it. Just now I have added (curly brackets)sandbox(curly brackets) to bring that page back even closer towards the original. And now I'm even using coloured text. This is all 'heavy programming' for a novice such as myself.
- Many thanks for clearing up my mess. You are a star!
- WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. If you know you're going to be creating draft content in your userspace and don't want to move it later, you could always start it immediately in a new page by typing the title you want in the search field (e.g., User:WendlingCrusader/[draft title here] and searching, you should be brought to a page where one of the links should be in bold and italicised and say
Start the User:WendlingCrusader/[draft title here] page.
Clicking on that will bring up the editor for that new page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. If you know you're going to be creating draft content in your userspace and don't want to move it later, you could always start it immediately in a new page by typing the title you want in the search field (e.g., User:WendlingCrusader/[draft title here] and searching, you should be brought to a page where one of the links should be in bold and italicised and say
- I did it in this edit; you have to edit out the
Excess Wikilink query
[edit]Hello. I have a query about how often a word should be wikilinked in an article. I thought it was once, then not again, but after removing extra links from this article: List of German films of the 1970s they were all put back in again, with the editor saying they were needed to make the actors' names more searchable. The entire article is virtually blue. Just wanting to check if that is correct? I really enjoy removing excess wikilinks :-) BJCHK (talk) 02:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- BJCHK, MOS:REPEATLINK says
Duplicate linking in stand-alone and embedded lists is permissible if it significantly aids the reader. This is most often the case when the list is presenting information that could just as aptly be formatted in a table, and is expected to be parsed for particular bits of data, not read from top to bottom.
, so I think the other editor is right. I am sure you can find excess wikilinks elsewhere. TSventon (talk) 02:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)- Thanks @TSventon - I'll keep looking for them BJCHK (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @BJCHK You could look at Category:Articles with too many wikilinks if you have not already done so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull the list is very often unpopulated so I go looking via the randomiser. BJCHK (talk) 06:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @BJCHK You could look at Category:Articles with too many wikilinks if you have not already done so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @TSventon - I'll keep looking for them BJCHK (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Present content
[edit]hi, I was wondering why, during women's history month, there is no emphasis on articles regarding'WOMEN'S HISTORY'??? How about it? 2601:14B:4901:E10:181A:F746:F17:213B (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- There is – see meta:Celebrate Women if you would like to participate. Tollens (talk) 06:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
List page name?
[edit]I would like to create an article listing, with prose accompaniment, the compositions of a jazz composer; no big deal, as there's a common naming scheme of "List of compositions by x" for these articles. However, I would like to also include a small section on works not composed by the subject, but which are worth mentioning (such as jazz standards popularized by them). What should I title the page? "List of compositions associated with X"? Or keep the normal title because the section would only be a small minority of the list content? Mach61 06:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Mach61 My suggestion would be to stick to the topic (i.e. compositions) in the list article. If reliable sources have said that other jazz standards were popularized by them, that could go in their biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Individuals without Media Coverage
[edit]Creating Personal Biographies on Wikipedia: Exploring Feasibility for Individuals without Media Coverage
Hello, I'm curious if it's possible for individuals to create their own biography or personal information page on Wikipedia. Specifically, if someone, like myself, lacks media coverage but possesses tangible evidence such as certificates, is it acceptable to create such a page? Ahmed Ghazanfar (talk) 07:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahmed Ghazanfar: Unfortunately not. Wikipedia articles are required to demonstrate that there has been significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources – if that isn't the case, the article can't be written. Tollens (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a social media website, directory, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Remsense诉 07:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahmed Ghazanfar: To be specific, people aren't prohibited from creating articles about themselves, but they're strongly discouraged from doing so due to the reasons laid out in Wikipedia's autobiography guidelines. Said people would also have to find reliable sources that are secondary and independent of the subject to establish that they're wikinotable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahmed Ghazanfar Much as it galls me to say it--because I despise both sites--it sounds like what you want is either Facebook or LinkedIn. You don't come into Wikipedia to gain notability; someone writes about you because you already have notability. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
How do I upload a non-free image
[edit]Hi, I've been trying to upload an image in wikimedia with a non-free license in wikitext format which is this; {{Non-free promotional}} OR {{Non-free biog-pic}} (I've tried both for the "license" part of the upload). But it just keeps saying "The wikitext you entered doesn't contain a valid license template." And then when I tried to get a roundabout at it and added that wikitext and a rationale after it's been uploaded, it automatically gets nominated for a Speedy deletion.
So the question is, How do I upload the non-free image for use in an article? Also, yes, I have checked that the image is adequate Turniner (talk) 07:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced transcluded templates with template links. Tollens (talk) 07:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Did you do it via "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW? And what image for what article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- No I uploaded it at "Upload Wizard" directly, isn't that where images are supposed to be uploaded?. The article was Kyoya Honda Turniner (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Turniner: It appears this relates to commons:File:Kyoya Honda.jpg for the article Kyoya Honda. Wikimedia Commons never allows non-free media files – you were probably looking to upload it here, which you can do via the File Upload Wizard. In this case, it appears you should not do so, however: WP:NFC#UULP lists
Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.
under the "Unacceptable use" section. Tollens (talk) 07:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Tollens: provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.}} under the "Unacceptable use" section. No, there aren't any free images at all, that's why I was trying to upload one so that the article's infobox has the image of the subject, Which was Kyoya Turniner (talk) 07:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't what that says, though. It specifically says "taking a new free picture" – if someone was to take a new free picture it would indeed serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the image you uploaded at Commons. Tollens (talk) 08:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Except that's not the case, cuz there's NONE. Now how do I upload a non-free image for use, I already have the rationale Turniner (talk) 08:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that there are none. That does not change the fact that somebody could photograph this person in the future and release the image under a free license. Images can be uploaded using the File Upload Wizard, but again, do not upload that image. If you do it will be tagged for speedy deletion. Tollens (talk) 08:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Except that's not the case, cuz there's NONE. Now how do I upload a non-free image for use, I already have the rationale Turniner (talk) 08:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- In short, no non-free pics of living people. Unless they are in jail for the foreseeable future or something like that. If you want, you can try to contact him and suggest he "donates" a pic on Commons. It has to be done right though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- This reminds me of the endless debates for years at Talk: Kim Jong Un that basically said that North Korea was a hermit kingdom and that no freely licensed or public domain photos of the North Korean leader could possibly be taken, and so a non-free image was an acceptable exception to the rules. And then along came the summit meetings between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump in 2018, documented by several US government photographers, whose work was immediately in the public domain. That uncontested fact obliterated the earlier arguments. Try to fully think through your argument first. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but the jail-thing still happens, like File:Lucy Letby mugshot.jpg. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- This reminds me of the endless debates for years at Talk: Kim Jong Un that basically said that North Korea was a hermit kingdom and that no freely licensed or public domain photos of the North Korean leader could possibly be taken, and so a non-free image was an acceptable exception to the rules. And then along came the summit meetings between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump in 2018, documented by several US government photographers, whose work was immediately in the public domain. That uncontested fact obliterated the earlier arguments. Try to fully think through your argument first. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't what that says, though. It specifically says "taking a new free picture" – if someone was to take a new free picture it would indeed serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the image you uploaded at Commons. Tollens (talk) 08:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Please fix up the circa link I added on the first line of this article - it should have a "little-dots" -type line underneath it I think. Thanks 1.178.83.22 (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Done. I used this: {{circa|1800}}, which renders as c. 1800. Maproom (talk) 08:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Use of the invisdible to others
[edit]Hello,
how can I use the translation tool without other people seeing what I have translated?
Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarcelles: I am not entirely certain what you mean. If you mean you want to write a Wikipedia article by translating content, but you don't want to link to the article you translated, that would be a copyright violation and is not possible. If you instead mean that you want the translation used in the article not to have your name attached, that too would be a copyright violation and is also not possible. If you want to translate a Wikipedia article for publication outside of Wikipedia, you must link back to Wikipedia under the terms of Wikipedia's licences, so it will not be possible to prevent others from seeing where the content came from. If you simply mean that you want to translate a Wikipedia article to a different language for your own personal use, you can simply use an online translation tool like Google Translate. Tollens (talk) 10:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's about Special:ContentTranslation. I thought a translation in progress was normally invisible to others but I'm not sure. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't want to publish the article at once. Google Translate has its drawbacks. How can I do the aforementioned a priori? Sarcelles (talk) 10:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sarcelles There is information about the tool at mw:Help:Content translation. I think that mw:Help:Content translation/Publishing shows that you can work on your translation in the tool and it will not be visible to other editors until you click on the publish button. TSventon (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Add redirection page
[edit]Hello. I think Nemo Mettler should be a redirect to Nemo (rapper). But I'm new, so I'd like to ask first:
- Where should such a question be asked? On the talk page of Nemo (rapper)? PlusPeter (talk) 13:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- There is a specific page at redirects for discussion. If you think that the redirect would be uncontroversial, the talk page would be ok.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the quick and clear answer! The redirect discussion page was exactly such a thing, that I thought might exist. In this case I don't think it's controversial, and it goes along the lines of other artists known by a mononym. E.g. “Cherilyn Sarkisian” to “Cher” and “Paul David Hewson” to “Bono”. PlusPeter (talk) 14:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- PlusPeter if you want to start with a draft, the page name would be Draft:Nemo Mettler. The page content would be the same as Cherilyn Sarkisian, with "Cher" and "DEFAULTSORT:Sarkisian, Cherilyn" replaced. TSventon (talk) 14:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Should I still use the Wizard? I am really sorry about the bother! PlusPeter (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can if you want, but I would delete the Wikipedia:Articles for creation header as a redirect does not need an AfC review. It will still be reviewed by Wikipedia:New pages patrol at some point. TSventon (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also, if you create a page by mistake you can tag it with {{Db-author}} and it will be deleted. I have done so with Draft:Redirection to Nemo (rapper). TSventon (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, great! Thank you! That's very good to know. PlusPeter (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Should I still use the Wizard? I am really sorry about the bother! PlusPeter (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- PlusPeter if you want to start with a draft, the page name would be Draft:Nemo Mettler. The page content would be the same as Cherilyn Sarkisian, with "Cher" and "DEFAULTSORT:Sarkisian, Cherilyn" replaced. TSventon (talk) 14:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the quick and clear answer! The redirect discussion page was exactly such a thing, that I thought might exist. In this case I don't think it's controversial, and it goes along the lines of other artists known by a mononym. E.g. “Cherilyn Sarkisian” to “Cher” and “Paul David Hewson” to “Bono”. PlusPeter (talk) 14:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Table span
[edit]Hello.
I'm editing a table, and I have this text:
{| class=wikitable
!Image
! Crossing
! Carries
! Location
!Opened
!Notes
|-
! colspan="6" |Anne Arundel County – Baltimore County
|-
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|<span style="color: white;">[[File:The Francis Scott Key Bridge (Baltimore).jpg|200x200px|alt=]]
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|[[Francis Scott Key Bridge (Baltimore)|Francis Scott Key Bridge]]
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|{{jct|state=MD|I|695|name1=}}
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|[[Baltimore]]
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|1977–2024
|style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"|[[Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse|Destroyed after being hit by a ship on March 26, 2024]]</span>
|-
How can I write this more efficiently, without needing to change the background color for each cell?
Thanks, - RockinJack18 14:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @RockinJack18: Styles can be assigned to whole rows:
{| class=wikitable
!Image
! Crossing
! Carries
! Location
!Opened
!Notes
|-
! colspan="6" |Anne Arundel County – Baltimore County
|- style="background-color: #d3d3d2;"
|[[File:The Francis Scott Key Bridge (Baltimore).jpg|200x200px|alt=]]
|[[Francis Scott Key Bridge (Baltimore)|Francis Scott Key Bridge]]
|{{jct|state=MD|I|695|name1=}}
|[[Baltimore]]
|1977–2024
|[[Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse|Destroyed after being hit by a ship on March 26, 2024]]
|}
- Your
style="color: white;"
doesn't work. and I'm not sure what your intention was so I omitted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)- Thank you! - RockinJack18 17:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
question re button-style links
[edit]hi. i would like to add a visual button for a link, on some user pages and maybe some project pages. in other words this would be a graphic in the shape of a button which a user would click in order to visit a link. is there a template to use for this? also what would be the code to use? thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sm8900 I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about this happening when reading an article, or editing an article? If it is the latter, there already is a button for adding a link in most editor views, including source editing and visual editing. Cheers, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- One possibility is to use {{Clickable button}}. The bottom of the template page lists others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi. sorry, no i meant a link to visit an actual url. this is not for articles; it is for a user page, or maybe for a wikiproject page perhaps. Sm8900 (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sm8900 All you need to make a URL into a link is to surround it with single square brackets. So this link takes you to google.co.uk. There are some other useful inter-wiki link methods described at Help:Interwiki linking. Incidentally, the template I suggested works for userpages and talkpages and can link to URLs, not just articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- ok, noted. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sm8900 All you need to make a URL into a link is to surround it with single square brackets. So this link takes you to google.co.uk. There are some other useful inter-wiki link methods described at Help:Interwiki linking. Incidentally, the template I suggested works for userpages and talkpages and can link to URLs, not just articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi. sorry, no i meant a link to visit an actual url. this is not for articles; it is for a user page, or maybe for a wikiproject page perhaps. Sm8900 (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- One possibility is to use {{Clickable button}}. The bottom of the template page lists others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
External links to news websites authored by the subject's organization
[edit]I'm in the process of updating this Wikipedia page for my client the Thurgood Marshall College Fund (TMCF). My question is regarding External Links I'll be adding. The client has provided me links to several news sites with content authored by TMCF, in some cases could be interpreted as opinion-based. As you can see, the subject is TMCF's president and CEO. Is this type of content appropriate? Thank you! Sigridtx (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sigridtx As you are a paid editor, you must under Wikipedia's terms and conditions, declare that as described in the linked page. Then you should make suggestions for additions to the article (including external links) on the Talk Page at Talk:Harry L. Williams so that others who do not have a conflict of interest can decide whether they are appropriate. There is some guidance about links at WP:ELBLP and there is an edit request wizard to help you make the suggestions in a way that they will be noticed by editors who look out for such requests. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi. can I please suggest that perhaps you could practice editing on other pages, before editing for your client? we welcome your ideas and efforts, but we strongly encourage all new editors to get some practice on general editing procedures, before making major edits here.
- just to clarify, there is no rule against your ideas above, but in general it is simply a better approach for any new editor to learn the methods here and get a little experience, before embarking upon major edits. so this is just a friendly suggestion . Sm8900 (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for sending this. I'll work to make sure I do this. Sigridtx (talk) 21:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Forum as reliable source?
[edit]Hello, my question is: May we take edits from a scientific forum like MathOverflow as a reliable source for reference? Dioskorides (talk) 17:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Dioskorides: Because it's user-generated content, even if it is from someone who happens to be an expert, it virtually won't be considered reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for information. --Dioskorides (talk) 22:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Mann Mann keeps vandalizing my edits in Central Asia. What to do?
[edit]I just started my studies in East Asian studies and was doing edits related Botai Culture in Central Asia page. Then moved on to some edits to Tiele and Book of Sui.
This guy keeps deleting my well referenced edits and just plain historical facts. I also fixed a previous reference that was already there and the reference used was made by Ferdowsi in Shahnameh. I checked the reference and made the edit simpler there. It was a misinformation by non admission of a location and also added more references to a battle, and added more references.
I would usually just discuss and I knew history related pages are more subject to vandalism due to some nationalists. I consider it a pretty serious case of vandalism. So what should I do? I have 0 experience in encountering this. 2001:14BA:44CF:3A00:8910:2DFF:1491:5F81 (talk) 17:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You should probably start by reading WP:VANDAL. And then consider how we can possibly respond to your posts when we have absolutely no way of knowing what edits you are referring to. You have no edit history under your current IP. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I forgot to sign in. Can you check? TheLastUbykh (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You have made no attempt to discuss this with Mann Mann. That's what article talk pages are for. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that the point of using references? I have never had people revert when I used to contribute on Wikipedia if I used them. At most, my edits got "citation needed", not down right reverted TheLastUbykh (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is supposed to be a collaborative project. When someone disagrees with an edit, you need to discuss it. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to revert content, even if a reference is provided. I've no idea whether Mann Mann's grounds for reverting were valid or not, but throwing around accusations of vandalism isn't going to resolve anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- can you check it? the edit he keeps to trying to revert back to refer to Iranian speaking people being majority in ALL of Central Asia when it is the smallest part. In his own reference that only refers to SOUTH of Oxus/ Amu Darya which is the edit I made.
- Bro is also just deleting my edits in regarding Botai Culture and Tiele. That's where we literally start studying Central Asia in my studies. WE BARELY discuss anything with Iranians because even if their geography is not really considered in CENTRAL Asia but SOUTH Asia.
- I think this is a nationalist Iranian who seems to be camping in that page. TheLastUbykh (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unless and until you make an attempt to discuss the matter on the talk page, nothing is going to happen. This is a help desk, where we explain how Wikipedia works. This isn't a dispute resolution page, and nobody is going to get involved until you have made an effort to resolve it yourself. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I will edit it again then call on his vandalism on talk page I guess.
- I just hate this part of Wikipedia, that's barely a history page and there are already nationalists... Thank you for your help, I was just frustrated. TheLastUbykh (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rather than casting aspersions about an editor's background, ping the editor at an article's talk page and start discussing. If said discussion becomes untenable, you may wish to take it to dispute resolution. At this rate, this situation is very likely to devolve into edit warring, which generally has unpleasant outcomes for those involved. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think I will just take it to dispute resolution since I trust in my own references.
- Dude already made it to edit warring. It is annoying. I just have no experience with this since I guess I never edited on wikipedia on things other than gaming, so I wasn't sure when to escalate to dispute resolution. TheLastUbykh (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @TheLastUbykh: Reverting is a normal part of Wikipedia editing. See Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle for some suggestions. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- TheLastUbykh, please read WP:BATTLEGROUND. If you carry on writing from a position of "I'm right and you're wrong", then you are likely to find yourself blocked for disruptive editing even if you are factually correct. ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unless and until you make an attempt to discuss the matter on the talk page, nothing is going to happen. This is a help desk, where we explain how Wikipedia works. This isn't a dispute resolution page, and nobody is going to get involved until you have made an effort to resolve it yourself. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is supposed to be a collaborative project. When someone disagrees with an edit, you need to discuss it. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to revert content, even if a reference is provided. I've no idea whether Mann Mann's grounds for reverting were valid or not, but throwing around accusations of vandalism isn't going to resolve anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that the point of using references? I have never had people revert when I used to contribute on Wikipedia if I used them. At most, my edits got "citation needed", not down right reverted TheLastUbykh (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You have made no attempt to discuss this with Mann Mann. That's what article talk pages are for. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I forgot to sign in. Can you check? TheLastUbykh (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Re: rude picture on this article
[edit]If you click on the article conatins a indecent image which needs removing or coveing up 2A02:6B66:5430:0:A199:5B1C:6E44:34BE (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The picture is under type but pictures of that are illegal so can it be removed 2A02:6B66:5430:0:A199:5B1C:6E44:34BE (talk) 20:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:NLT 2601:204:4002:4C30:14B3:EF06:5ABA:C5A5 (talk) 20:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- But you have to understand that somethings have to be covered. You cant have a picture of a naked underage person on there you must have some sort of ethic code that draws the line. Theres some really messed up people out there 2A02:6B66:5430:0:A199:5B1C:6E44:34BE (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you read WP:NOTCENSORED, already linked above, you will see Wikipedia's current stance on this. It can always be changed via consensus, if you really want to pursue that; the appropriate place would probably be WP:VPP. You could also leave a post objecting to the image on the talk page and see what other folks say about it. 57.140.32.57 (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NOSEE for information on how you can suppress the display of images. 331dot (talk) 21:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- But you have to understand that somethings have to be covered. You cant have a picture of a naked underage person on there you must have some sort of ethic code that draws the line. Theres some really messed up people out there 2A02:6B66:5430:0:A199:5B1C:6E44:34BE (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:NLT 2601:204:4002:4C30:14B3:EF06:5ABA:C5A5 (talk) 20:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Help regarding peacock statements
[edit]Hello, i recently faced a problem regarding my draft Draft:Kholesvara, where i was asked to review the page and modify some of the statements for a neutral view and use non-peacock terms. It would be helpful if i get some more information about peacock terms that would help me to be a better Wikipedia article writter. गांधार नरेश (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @गांधार नरेश: Hi there! I suggest reviewing WP:PEACOCK for suggestions. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- गांधार नरेश, Draft:Kholesvara lists its subject's "minor victories" and "major victories", but mentions no losses. This gives the impression that your aim is to write a eulogy rather than a balanced article. The sentence "The existence of a ruined fort underscores Kholesvara's early military activities against Abhiras" is odd - what does "underscores" mean? Maproom (talk) 23:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- So should i change it to 'Minor campaigns' and 'Major Campaigns'?
- Thanks for the suggestions i will definitely work on this draft to make it neutral. गांधार नरेश (talk) 05:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Latin or Cryllic character?
[edit]On We (Cyrillic), an anon changed two single characters with this edit w/o source nor explanation. Apparently from the Latin "w" to/from Cyrillic "we". How can I determine what "w" the character is? Unicode info, I suppose. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Adakiko, good question. A Wikipedia search of the changed letters shows that the edit changed We (Cyrillic) to W. This was obviously incorrect, so I have reverted the edit. TSventon (talk) 21:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Adakiko and DoebLoggs I see that you have reversed most of the IP editor's edits, I assume they are all vandalism, could one of you report them at WP:AIV. TSventon (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon and DoebLoggs: this seems to be an LTA IP-hopper. I've reported a few others in the past. I did a brief, unsuccessful search on wp:SPI. Not sure how to search without turning up every soap-opera sock. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Adakiko, I first noticed this edit where there is a (possibly unintentional) obvious disruption, then I found this other edit where a regular 'x' has been changed to this character 'ӿ'. This couldn't be considered an unintentional change, so I considered the edits made by this user as suspicious. Then I made other reverts where I considered their changes to be dubious. May be someone from WikiProject Linguistics is willing to help determining if this is a vandalic-only user of there is some good basis for their changes. --DoebLoggs (talk) 12:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon and DoebLoggs: this seems to be an LTA IP-hopper. I've reported a few others in the past. I did a brief, unsuccessful search on wp:SPI. Not sure how to search without turning up every soap-opera sock. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Omid Scobie
[edit]This page needs to put back into place its "protection" status - it was violated in the last few hours. Please assist. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Srbernadette: You can request it at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the page is already semi-protected. Don't engage in an edit war. Discuss the edits on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Francis Scott Key Bridge
[edit]Is it in Virginia or Maryland. 2406:E003:11DE:AE01:11A3:EC6D:3186:29D2 (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- According to Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_(Baltimore) it is in Maryland, but questions like this belong at the reference desk WP:HD RudolfRed (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I meant WP:RD ugh RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you mean the one in Baltimore or the one joining D.C. to Virginia? Either way, this is the kind of question for which web-search usually helps. —Tamfang (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)