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July 25

Transclusion templates/Modular expansion

Hello, while trying to fix up an WP:All stub types page, I ran into the inclusion limit.

The goal of the page is to provide a way to search through multiple categorizations (e.g. Commerce and Technology) simultaneously, using the helpful formatting that the WikiProject has created for those subpages.

I think a convenient alternative given this limit would be a modular approach, where subpages can be toggled, starting from an 'all closed' state. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with conditionals on Wikipedia yet. Something simple like {collapse} that only loads the content on-demand would be perfect. Help locating the right syntax/tool/template, or accomplishing the task, would be appreciated! Tule-hog (talk) 03:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just put the wikilinks directly on the page instead of using templates? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would unnecessarily increase burden on editors to update multiple locations when creating new stubs, and Preprocessor node count would be violated either way.

To clarify, the WikiProject had already begun addressing the size issues with categories on the main page - I just finished the de-transclusion component, which was in an incomplete state. The fully transcluded page burdened users' bandwidth, so was WP:SPLIT - the page I am proposing would serve as a useful intermediary. Tule-hog (talk) 21:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a minute since I actually programmed a web application, but I feel like dynamic content loading always has to be implemented client-side. I'm not sure we have the capability to do that, but there might be something at mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual that meets your needs. Folly Mox (talk) 09:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Account hacked

I have two Wikipedia accounts. On my new device I was able to log in to my first one alright, but the email of my second one was changed. I have publicly linked both of them a long time ago and I can prove my identity. Please help. 2409:4042:818:A8D5:28D6:71FF:FE03:CB55 (talk) 04:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be useful for us to know the usernames of the two accounts so that we can help more effectively: would you mind sharing them? Tollens (talk) 07:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah this one I still control. The other, MxArya I don't. I can prove I hold the emails I registered these with MxYamato (talk) 08:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the same person successfully logged in to both accounts 21 July, logging out of both 2 minutes later, and MxYamato who posted above is that same person. Are you saying that the email shown in your preferences is different to the one you expected, or that you didn't get a password reset email? To me, it looks like you should be able to log in as you did recently. The discussion you're having elsewhere is also cromulent, but it doesn't seem like a hacked situation to me. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 10:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been 2 years since I quit Wikipedia and decided to come back. Both my Wikipedia accounta, my MDWiki account, and my translatewiki.net accounts' passwords have been changed.

I have been able to reset passwords for MxYamato and my MDWiki accounts, but my MxArya enWP and translatewiki are still not logging in and also the password reset mails never arrive.

I lost my phone sometime back, and my Google account was compromised with my stolen SIM, through which they accessed my password manager.

If anyone can, please help me gain access to my other enWP MxArya account and where can I find support for my translatewiki.net account? MxYamato (talk) 11:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check your spam folder? There can be activity we can't detect. If you're convinced the account is compromised then m:Trust and Safety are the people who can globally lock and recover accounts; m:stewards can globally lock accounts, and may act quicker than T&S. Translatewiki seems to have a help desk which is probably a good place to start. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zzuuzz I received an email saying too many signin attempts were being made into my MxArya account which I cannot access. However I am not receiving the reset emails.

Also, I am unable to change the password of my MxYamato account. I'm using Android with Brave rn, is that causing some problem? 2409:4042:818:A8D5:28D6:71FF:FE03:CB55 (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content deleted

Hi

I recently checked two wikipedia pages that i have edited and updated over the recent months, and the edits have all been removed. Please can you help me understand why and how i can get the content reinstated?

Thank you AmeliaHawneyBenchmark (talk) 06:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AmeliaHawneyBenchmark: Your changes were not neutral in the slightest and were correctly undone; Wikipedia is not a medium for advertising or promotion. Based on your username I assume you work for Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, and I see you have already been provided some information on your user talk page about some things you need to do if so, including the mandatory paid-contribution disclosure. Paid editors are strongly discouraged from editing pages directly to avoid situations like this one where your time and effort has been wasted: you should use the talk page to propose edits, and other editors who are unconnected to the topic will review your suggestions. The edit request wizard can help with this. Tollens (talk) 07:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where to ask help for contributing to a new article about a developing event? (2024 Jasper wildfire)

Just created 2024_Jasper_wildfire. Is there a forum to go to, to ask for more editors? Or do I have to go to the relevant WikiProject and ask there? (I've checked for duplicates already) Koopatrev (talk; contrib) 10:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may ask for help here, or at a relevant WikiProject. If it's going to take you time to develop and/or you need help, I'd suggest moving the article to draft so you can work on it with less fear of deletion or other things that come with the scrutiny of a new article. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious material?

In the notice for multiple issues for the Article Malcolm "Puck" Puckering, help improve it links to a notice that mentions, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous." I see the main notice only discusses the need for more reliable citations, which I will be adding soon. But, is there currently "Contentious material" in the Article? I will research more about "Contentious material" and how to write a Biography of a living person. Right now I can't find what is "Contentious". The magician who is the subject of this biography, does not have a lot of news or scholarly articles, yet there are quite a few YouTube videos of him, including his performances on Penn & Teller and America's Got Talent. I believe those to be credible YouTube sources. I referenced a Washington Post article that discusses his father, who was a famous Jazz musician. Maybe that is not appropriate since it goes off topic from the person of biography? I will do more reading of the documentation regarding the multiple issues. I am hoping that I can have at least until Friday 7/26/24 to make the changes before the Article is deleted.

P.S. I think libellous should be changed to the spelling of libelous in the notice. Mlondon101 (talk) 10:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This question is also at the talk page Talk:Malcolm "Puck" Puckering. But, I assume it would take a while for talk page stalkers to show up, even though I did post a welcoming banner. Mlondon101 (talk) 10:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlondon101 You have almost answered your own question. The links in your post go to various parts of our policy on the biography of living people, which states All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Looking a the Puckering article, almost nothing is currently cited: whole sections on his early life are like that. Hence I (or any other editor) could delete these whole sections as policy violations. Go ahead and attempt to remedy the situation, if you can find suitable reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.... I now see that it was you who created that article directly into mainspace on 23 July. In view of these policy violations, I don't think that it will survive the New Pages Patrol. The WP:AfC process is set up to help editors who have not previously created new articles to do so in an acceptable way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newcomer tasks

I've read a little about how this works, but it still confuses me. I believe that new users get some sort of task list (I don't know how they get this) that's even broken down by category so they can supposedly do gnomish work on articles. Without going into a rant on how rarely these edits are constructive, how do these articles get on the list, and how are they removed? Who decides? A bot? I can't imagine actual editors spend time doing this, but one never knows at Wikipedia. BTW, my objective is to remove an article from the task list, assuming I can do that.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 This system is all part of the Special:Homepage system, which you can activate for your own account at Special:Preferences (at the bottom, called Newcomer homepage). As far as I know, the suggestions are indeed bot-generated, when it sees standard tags like {{cn}} on article pages. Hence the way to remove an article from the list would be to remove the tag. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) There's a way that an editor can apply to be sent a weekly task list of articles that need improvement, in fields of their choice. But there's no compulsion for a newcomer, or anyone else, to sign up. I regard the tasks listed, which include improving grammar, finding and citing sources, and calrifying poorly-written text, as constructive. But if you don't feel like doing those things, you don't have to. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: The suggestions are made by mw:Extension:GrowthExperiments when Special:Homepage is viewed. No edits are saved and no account is used so maybe bot is the wrong word but it's certainly automatic. I don't know whether the extension looks directly for a maintenance template or the category added by the template but the result is the same. A search feature is used to identify articles with topics chosen by the user. See mw:ORES/Articletopic for possible topics. Maproom is referring to an older feature where you can sign up for User:SuggestBot to post to your talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks for the template. See configuration at Special:CommunityConfiguration/GrowthSuggestedEdits. You can remove an article from the task list for everyone by adding {{no newcomer task}} to it. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, everyone, but my goal was to remove an article from the task list, which, I've done (hopefully correctly), at Hale Centre Theatre. Thanks, Pppery.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the "medium" newcomer tasks looks for articles with the {{Tone}} or {{Advert}} templates. I see a lot of new users whenever I put one of those tags on. Recon rabbit 19:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be "newcomer tasks: copyedit". You are welcome to follow up on how newcomer tasks should be configured at WT:Growth Team features. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mera naam Amit hai jila Sitapur block khairabad janpad khairabad post Shah jalalpur

sar ek request hai mera kaccha Makan gira hua hai kripya karke aawas Nahin hai hamare pass vinati hai sar ek hawas Dena kya Sukha Karen 2409:4063:4ACC:4DDA:0:0:AB4B:3D14 (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sir please please bahut Garib hun sar Mera kaccha Ghar Sara gira hua hai 2409:4063:4ACC:4DDA:0:0:AB4B:3D14 (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Namaste Amit. This is the English Wikipedia. Few people here speak Hindi.

If you are asking about something on Hindi Wikipedia, you will need to ask there: try hi:विकिपीडिया:चौपाल. ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a personal matter and unrelated to Wikipedia. -- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donation question and issue

I’m not logged in, so I don’t think anybody could actually reach me and talk to me, but I have a question. I saw notification that Wikipedia needs to be sold and is asking for donations. I use Wikipedia Every day, and probably multiple times every day, and it would probably kill me if something happened to this wonderful site for information. I am very wary about donating, but I am thinking of another way to handle this situation. Instead of asking for donations, why can’t you ask for the millions of people who use this website, to become part owners. There are documents that can easily be downloaded from other Internet websites, they can be placed on the Wikipedia help page, people can download them and fill out property ownership. The limits of the ownership can be documented so there is no biased/unbiased control. That means that the way Wikipedia has been running for the past decades, will not be changed. What do you think? 2601:14D:5180:29D0:2CE9:6F84:6360:3643 (talk) 17:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you grossly misread something. Wikipedia cannot be sold, in reality, because it is the main asset of a non-profit educational corporation chartered in the United States. We have ongoing expenses, and donations are encouraged to cover them; but we have a modest endowment being accumulated, currently enough to cover a couple of years' overhead in an emergency. There is no lawful way to convert a non-profit organization into a mutually-owned cooperative or partnership of some kind, nor is there any need for anything of the sort. Orange Mike | Talk 18:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikimedia Foundation is not in financial distress. In 2023, they had annual revenues of $180.2 million, annual expenses of $169 million, net assets of $255 million and a growing endowment, which surpassed $100 million in June 2021. Cullen328 (talk) 20:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried going to https://donate.wikimedia.org a few times. One of them redirected to https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=DK&uselang=en&wmf_medium=sidebar&wmf_source=donate&wmf_campaign=C13_wiki.riteme.site#. It has the heading "Wikipedia still can't be sold." It can be interpreted in different ways and maybe the intention is that it literally cannot be sold because it would be illegal, but it sounds misleading to me. The text below was unrelated to selling Wikipedia. Nobody is considering a sale as far I know but many companies would pay a lot. I don't know whether the Wikimedia Foundation could legally sell off Wikipedia while the foundation itself remained a non-profit and continued their other projects, but I see no chance of that happening. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. "still can't be sold" invites the interpretation "still can't be sold, but we're working on it". Maproom (talk) 07:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shigeru interlanguage is Protected....

Shigeru Miyamoto langugae is protected can anyone can remove it ? Bc I saw many others laguage who has him (ex: Breton) but I cant add him due to protected pages. Nahil's (talk) 23:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nahil's, this is where you ask for "unprotection", as it's called. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nahil's: Your request is apparently not about the English Wikipedia article Shigeru Miyamoto but its Wikidata item Shigeru Miyamoto (Q12382) which is also semi-protected. Wikidata has its own procedures and is not controlled by the English Wikipedia but I have added a link to br:Shigeru Miyamoto.[1] Wikidata is unlikely to unprotect a page so anyone can edit it just because somebody wants one link added but I think your issue is resolved now. See wikidata:Template:Edit request for how to request an edit to a protected Wikidata page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]