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December 9

Comment from Shayvidas

Hi,

I recently created a draft titled "Draft:Shay Albert Vidas," but it was deleted under G11 for being promotional. I understand the concerns and would like to request that the draft be restored to my user page so I can revise it further.

I plan to rewrite the content to meet Wikipedia’s neutrality and notability standards. Unfortunately, I cannot contact the deleting administrator, Bbb23, directly as their talk page is restricted, and I’m unable to post in the Administrators’ Noticeboard because it is semi-protected.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could assist me in restoring the draft to my user page or guide me on how to proceed.

Thank you for your time and help!

Best regards, Shayvidas Shayvidas (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Moved comment from talk page here. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

In your second and so far final edit to this, Shayvidas, an edit you described as "less promotional", you added:

Shay also manages a Facebook group with over 15,000 members, which has become a vibrant community for watch enthusiasts. Members actively discuss their shared passion for horology, share updates about the brand, and connect with others who appreciate handmade, unique designs. This platform has been instrumental in growing the VIDAS brand and fostering strong connections with collectors worldwide.

And there still were no references. So I have no reason to think that the draft, were it resuscitated, would lead to an article. -- Hoary (talk) 03:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shayvidas: I should also add that writing about yourself, if you are indeed the subject, is strongly discouraged as it is virtually impossible to write neutrally about oneself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I would also suggest you take a moment to read the essay WP:PROUD, as you might not really want an article about yourself, as much as it might sound like a good idea right now. TiggerJay (talk) 05:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

How to post on an article's Talk page that you have COI

I need to post on an article's Talk page that I have COI with the subject. Could you give me an idea of what to write, maybe a sort of template to use, as I've never done this before. Augnablik (talk) 03:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps == Conflict of interest == [line break] I have a conflict of interest with [what it is that you have a COI with]. ~~~~ -- Hoary (talk) 05:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

We don’t need to explain what the COI is, or anything further? Somehow I was thinking that would be important, not just a brief admission of COI. Augnablik (talk) 06:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:COI. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Mmm, yes ... thank you, @Hoary, I'd read the COI information some time ago but forgotten there was something about how we could declare it with a particular article. I'm thinking carefully which of the three options I'd like to use when I start in on that article.

It seems to me that the option letting me put a COI userbox about this article on my User page sort of hides my COI from view, and wouldn't be as transparent as the other two options. I'm sort of surprised we can do this, as also that we apparently needn't elaborate on the connection we have with the subject of the article. Augnablik (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik You could use the template at Talk:Elayne Harrington, Template:Connected contributor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Which is one of the three options mentioned at the COI guidance page. You certainly found an interesting example, that folk singer herself being a Wiki editor! Augnablik (talk) 09:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, per definition, to "template" someone like this, they kinda have to be a WP-editor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

But not necessarily a celebrity who’s the subject of a Wiki article. 🙂 Augnablik (talk) 10:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned as the OP (proudly trying out a new acronym I've just learned) of this topic and thread, I think we can let it go on to the archives. First, though, I wanted to share which way I've chosen from the trayful of options all of you offered toward my decision-making. I was just uncomfortable with the idea of slapping one of those impersonal COI templates onto the article's Talk page without at least a little explanation of why I have COI. Yet picking up on Hoary's suggestion of adding a section to the Talk page that merely declared I had COI, not adding any explanation of why, didn't feel quite like "me" either.

When I discussed this further with my mentor, he opened the door to my solution: that I could indeed give an explanation of my COI if I wanted to add it to a section at the article's Talk page. He just voiced caution to follow the K.I.S.S. principle.

Now I feel ready to take on COI-dom as it comes. 🍧 Thank you, contributors to this thread and my decision. Augnablik (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, I believe that Template:Connected contributor, mentioned above, is the best method. I always thought it was poorly named, and thus very hard to find. If you can tell me some of the searches you performed, maybe we can add some redirects to get people to the right place faster. Mathglot (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot, honestly I doubt that you'd find anything of much value in hearing about my searching to find out about COI. The only thing perhaps a little unusual about my interest in COI would be that in addition to reading the COI policy, which I hadn't read for awhile when I asked the question that started this discussion, I've also been followig a large amount of discussions in the Teahouse and at the Help Desk and Village Pump about this topic, because the topic has been one of great interest and concern to me. And I did ask my mentor a few things about the topic as well. But I must say, there seems to be quite a bit of conflicting advice about whether or not editors should be editing articles if they have COI — even in the COI policy itself. Topic for another discussion, probably... Are you by any chance on a Wiki project to help improve user learning materials? Augnablik (talk) 06:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, not formally, but I do work a fair bit in that area as the occasion arises. You might be interested to hear about the Wikipedia Education program; they act as a liaison between Wikipedia and formal classes in U.S. & Canadian universities whose students edit Wikipedia as part of their coursework. Wiki Ed has developed student training materials for students in these classes, administrates the program, and deals with student questions. If you want to find out more about their training materials, a good place to start would be at the Wikipedia:Education noticeboard. Mathglot (talk) 08:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I heard of that. And as an instructional designer, trainer, and teacher I’ve been thinking about following up on it … after dealing with my COI issues and related editing. Augnablik (talk) 08:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Statue of Nathan Hale (Chicago)

I'm sure there's an easy remedy, but I'm lost at the moment. The dimension in the infobox are wrong. The statue is 6-feet (1.8 m) tall and 2.5-feet (0.8 m) wide. The infobox says 6 cm × 2.5 cm (1.8 in × 0.8 in). I tried switching the parameters from Template:Infobox artwork but it's still showing up in cm. APK hi :-) (talk) 04:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Fixed... What you were missing was metric_unit and imperial_unit, by default it uses cm and inches respectively. Simply setting those to meters and feet resolved the problem. TiggerJay (talk) 04:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you. APK hi :-) (talk) 05:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

How to make this link?

On this page Norway women's national handball team in the info box on the right side, under Results, then under World Championship in the Appearances section it says '22 (First in 1971)'. Once you click on 1971, the link correctly takes you to the Women's World Cup that year.

However, on this page Slovenia women's national handball team in the same section where it says '8 (First in 1997)' if you click on 1997, the link incorrectly takes you to the Men's World Cup that year.

If you go to 'edit source', you will see that details are not provided there, it just says 1971 in the first instance and 1997 in the second, without any links. How can the problem on the second page be solved, so that the link is for the Women's World Cup in 1997?

Thanks. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 12:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @NoWikiNoLife. The difference is that in the Slovenia article the parameter is Type with a capital T, while in the Norway case it is type with a small one.

If you look at Template:Infobox national netball team, most of the parameters start with a capital letter, except name, type, update, and the parameters relating to kit. Also, this is wrong in the "Usage" section of the template doc.

I've corrected this in the article, but the template documentation needs correcting. I suggest posting on the Template talk page. ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Awesome work and a very quick response. Much appreciated! NoWikiNoLife (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi - we used to have a hyperlink to NJ music venues holding 1000 patrons or over on the "Music of New Jersey" page. But now the list has been reformatted

this link:

List of New Jersey music venues by capacity (1,000 attendees or greater)

....

is there a way to make it point directly to nj? Bhdshoes2 (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bhdshoes2 It looks as though the target page will need an anchor, which it may once have had that was deleted. That list is so long and complicated with all its tables, I'm not going to try to fix it but you might like to try! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Not currently with how the page is currently formatted, there was a proposal a few years ago to split out the United States venues into their own page - see Talk:List of music venues § United States -- if that was accomplished (which is probably a good idea) it would be trivial to make that link work. TiggerJay (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

(ec) An anchor should fix this... but it also looks like Mike is working on this for you. Although I would still think it might not be a bad idea to break out the US venues into their own list. TiggerJay (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Not me but maybe someone else is looking at it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah, misread your comment. I'll try to fix it. TiggerJay (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bhdshoes2 --- fixed, give it a try. TiggerJay (talk) 16:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Works like a charm! Thank you so much! Bhdshoes2 (talk) 12:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Paragraph break problem at Gabe Newell

I'm trying to add a paragraph break after the following sentece: Newell opted to found Valve instead of retiring as he felt working with "other really smart, motivated, socially-orientated people to create product that would affect millions of other people" was "the most fun I could have". For some reason, it won't appear. What am I doing wrong? Popcornfud (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Popcornfud I fixed it by placing a linebreak after the "Main" template. Don't ask me why that works! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! It looks like having the Main template as part of the paragraph was causing the problem, for whatever reason. Popcornfud (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft Declined

Please help me! My draft which i prepared about a famous social media influencer has been declined by wikipedia for submission.i have correctly cited and did not do any copy paste. Please do the needful.

DRAFT: Nischay Malhan. Ragards Surfmaster... Surfmaster23 (talk) 17:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Please see the comment left on the draft Draft:Nischay Malhan, which says that the cited sources do not contain significant coverage of Malhan. Without several sources that meet all three of the criteria in WP:42, you cannot establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 17:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)