Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of governors of Edo State/archive1

List of governors of Edo State

Featured list candidates/List of governors of Edo State/archive1

Nominator(s): Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the list of governors of Nigeria's state of Edo from when the region was called Mid-Western renamed to Bendel and then splitted into Edo and Delta, this is focusing on Edo. I have significantly worked on this and think it meets the criteria for FL. This list looks very similar to other lists of governors. Feedbacks would be greatly appreciated. This would be part of the ongoing Developing Countries Wiki Contest which I am participating in. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanderwaalforces: You haven't completed step 5 of the nomination procedure laid out in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824 Whoops, done, thanks for pointing out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

MPGuy2824

The party colors in the Edo state table make no sense without a legend. Alternatively, you can move the party color next to the party name and skip the legend.
When images aren't there for a particular person, you can add a centered emdash.
Some of the refs are missing archive links.
In order to avoid cluttering the table with references, you could move them all to a new column at right-end of the table.
Every image should have alt text. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824 Please can you suggest how I can add a legend? Where to place it? templates I can use? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are going with that option, you can either use {{Legend}} or just a normal table. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824 Oh, I think there's no need for that. Because I just put the colours before the party names. That makes sense now. Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just put the colours before the party names Yup, no need to add a legend now.

Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? I had noticed refs in quite a few columns at the time, but now I see that each ref is supporting a particular piece of data. I think this is fine as is. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SnowFire

Nice work. However, I'm not so certain on the prose. I made some sample edits to the lede that you should feel free to adjust to try to "tell a story" more, as the old lede bounced around in time. In general, it's not good to replicate the table in prose - it's better to indicate something that isn't already in the table, ideally, rather than just name-drop people. A few other questions:

Was Osadebay's title really "Civilian Premier"? https://nigeriareposit.nln.gov.ng/items/fd2b27ce-45c7-4a60-9459-afcd4fc9a566 just calls him "premier" and that seems an unusual title.
Similarly, it'd be one thing if this was only post-1991 leaders, but being that the earlier pre-1991 stuff is included... the obvious starting point seems like it'd be independence, but the article doesn't discuss 1960-1963 at all. How was the region organized in that period? Even if the answer is "as an insignificant part of a much larger unit" or "not at all", it would still be good to mention what structure did exist.
Feel free to restore if it's a quirk of Nigerian English, but I don't think "civilian" titles are used typically on Wikipedia per MOS:CREDENTIAL. It's fine to mention military titles mostly to quickly signify the role was military, but "Prof." or "Dr." is more questionable unless it's also a COMMONNAME.
Why is "Deputy governors represented the same party as their governor." a footnote to the Deputy column? That seems like something more for prose in the table introduction to explain the role of Deputy Governor.
First, I'm not sure the birth & death dates for governors is really relevant to include at all, but I know lots of similar lists include it, so if you want to include it that's fine. That said... I'm not a fan of ???? for unknown dates. Just omit them, IMO (but feel free to push back if this is in fact the standard). And is Baba Adamu Iyam really dead at an unknown year? His article suggests he is alive. SnowFire (talk) 07:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SnowFire

I removed the Civilian
I am confident that this list is as concise and inclusive as it should be right now. I don't want to come up with information I have no source for. Which is why I am sticking to information from sources that are available.
This is okay by me.
Please can you explain further what you mean?
I could omit the birth/death dates that are unknown, but I don't think it is not really necessary to not include their birth/death dates at all. I have seen similar lists in formats like this. Iyam's article does not suggest he is alive, his death date is unknown.

Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there really no information on how the 1960-1963 Western Region was governed and who by? I get that sourcing can be tough for these topics, but I don't really see a reason why the chart should start in 1963 but not 1960, so this seems a clear gap. If the records were lost or the region really was in chaos and had no governor, then fine, we can say so ("the governors of the Western Region in 1960-63 are unknown"), but that seems like it'd be surprising if really true.
I don't feel like the Deputy Governor party footnote makes the most sense as a footnote rather than prose. If you disagree, that's fine, it's not mandatory, but I would suggest explaining the Deputy Governor in the prose introduction is preferred if it's going to be included in the table. This can include the way they're elected and why they usually match the party of the Governor.
The guideline is that for anyone who would be older than 115, if there isn't an explicit source saying they're alive, we assume they're dead. But otherwise, we assume they're alive, because falsely reporting someone as dead is much worse than falsely assuming a dead person is alive. So maybe ???? is fine for people born in 1909 and before in charts, but we should use "born 19XX" or "b. 19XX" when it's unknown. (And Iyam's article has no death date listed and has him in Category:Living people?). If you have a source saying Iyam is dead, then let's update his article, but if we're not sure on his status, we should default to only showing the known birth date and no marking implying a death date.
There are still some prose concerns. I suppose I can just make the changes myself but see the example on the lede - the body still has stuff like "Prof. Oserheimen Osunbor, Comrade Adams Oshiomhole," without it being clear that these are COMMONNAME titles. SnowFire (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Checking in again. You wrote " I don't want to come up with information I have no source for." but I really don't think these are THAT hard to find sources on. While there are premiers in this list, it looks like there was both a governor AND a Premier in the Western Region of the time. It looks like Adesoji Aderemi was governor 1960-63, while Samuel Ladoke Akintola was Premier of the Western Region in 1960-1962. Some sort of political crisis broke out in 1962 and Akintola was dismissed by Aderemi. The WP article says he was dismissed due to a declaration of emergency and M. A. Majekodunmi was sent on a temporary basis (sourced to "The Fate of Africa" p.193, which isn't that expensive as an e-book - maybe more there? I don't have access.). This contemporary 1962 news article suggests that Dauda Soroye Adegbenro sought to become Premier, but a court blocked it (unclear if it stuck) and tried to restore Akintola. But this was just from a quick surface-level search. This suggests that there are surely deeper sources if the basics aren't that hard to find. Unless there is some other reason to exclude the material?
On death dates, this is something that I'm more insistent on. "born 1942" suggests just that, a birth date, but "1942-????" implies an unknown death date very clearly to me. SnowFire (talk) 03:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SnowFire Hi there, I have made significant cleanup per the COMMONNAME titles. I have also a subsection called Western Region you can take a look at, based on your recommendations above. Also did some MOS fixes to the dates. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]