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Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor

As a previous volunteer at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor I though you might like to know there is a new set available for work at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor/20100826. Hope to see you there. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Mediator?

I have filed a mediation request on a policy matter, specifically WP:UNDUE as it relates to the guideline WP:ONEWAY here. I'm almost totally ignorant of the process, but the mediation page suggests that a mediator be solicited to referee. Would you mind taking a look at it and consider filling that role? Or perhaps suggest someone who might? Tom Reedy (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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We miss you!

Where are you? The project needs you... :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

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Welcome back

Very happy to see you back here. I was getting a little worried about you. :) Anyhow, welcome back, and let me know if I can help with anything. Happy editing. :) MastCell ^Talk 19:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Nice to know that I'm still welcome around the joint. I should be around on and off. If I can help with anything, let me know. Vassyana (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yay! Good to see you! :-) KrakatoaKatie 06:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back! T. Canens (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice to see your name pop up in my watchlist. :-) Risker (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed :) You were missed! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeedy. Welcome back. PhilKnight (talk) 22:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ditto. Ncmvocalist (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all for the generous thoughts. If you could use my help for anything, just drop a talk page message. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Template

Please stop adding {{religious text primary}} indiscriminately to all articles on religious topics. An article that describes the contents of a religious work, or narrates the outlines of a religious myth/story, is not automatically using a religious text as a primary source. For one, you can find the same contents described in hundreds of "secondary" works, and for another, it's quite routine for film articles to have plot sections that aren't accused of using the film as a primary source. In any case, definitely don't use the template unless the article is actually citing the text as a source. If the article has no sources, tag it as unreferenced (if you really think tagging improves articles, which I doubt), not with this false tag. Shreevatsa (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not adding them indiscriminately. I believe that every article I have added it to uses the texts to make a point, goes beyond a simple description, and/or leaves a reader confused about the topic. These are all instances that require secondary sources to clear things up and remove inappropriate editorial commentary. If you feel a tag was mistakenly added to a particular article, please point it out to me. Vassyana (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Nearly every article you've added the tag to seems to be a mistaken use of the tag. I hope you understand that not having a source (and Wikipedia is full of such articles, which need to be improved, sure) is not the same as actually using a religious text as primary source — in fact, it precludes it, by definition. For some particularly absurd (but representative) examples:

• Nighantu — this is a collection of words and meanings: literally, a glossary (useful for interpretation of religious verses, but not a religious text itself). Pray point out what religious work is being used as a primary source?
• Yellow Emperor — what part, exactly, uses a religious text as primary source?
• Matsya Purana, Gajendra Moksha, etc. — The former describes its contents (pretty much as a secondary source does), the latter tells a story. How do you know that it actually uses a religious text as primary source? In fact this is quite unlikely: the religious text that contains the Gajendra Moksha story is in archaic Sanskrit verse; almost surely whoever wrote the article read a secondary source, or just wrote the story with no source at all (and in fact it differs from the "original" story in minor respects).
• Katha Upanishad — there is already a list of sources used, all secondary sources. What basis do you have for your strong claim that a primary source was used? (This is far-fetched; in all probability, no Wikipedia editor actually reads these works. :p)

I reiterate that your actions are not helpful. Of course some articles need improvement, but that doesn't mean your pet tag applies everywhere. If you actually have a particular sentence or section that you feel is unclear, remove or tag just that section or sentence (with whatever tags are appropriate); don't further confuse editors as well as to why your tag is there. Shreevatsa (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

PS. Maybe you should consider tagging all non-religious articles like Hogwarts staff and List of supporting Harry Potter characters first, for using texts as primary sources. Shreevatsa (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Nighantu (and Yaska's commentary) is as much as a religious text as the Hadith of Islam or the Talmud of Judaism. It is explanatory material and while much of it has a secular purpose, it is also religious material and firmly part of the accompanying religious tradition. However, to avoid any further conflict, I will stick to more blatantly religious sources. As for the Yellow Emperor, take the first two paragraphs of achievements as the examples. The sources cited are a student's picture book of traditional religious history and the Yellow Emperor's Classic itself; that is, the first two paragraphs are entirely sourced from Chinese religion. Katha Upanishad, you are correct. If I've made other errors of that sort, please point them out to me.

On the others, if there is a secondary source being used, it needs to be cited. Otherwise, there is simply the religious text quoted and/or alluded to with no other source indicated. This indicates a need for cited secondary sources. Your argument about the appropriateness of the tag could be said for any other article tag. I'm not applying it "everywhere". I've applied it to a few religious areas and a tiny fraction of articles in any given topic. I really don't see the problem is adding a tag asking for secondary sources for religious articles citing religious sources that need secondary sources to clarify the matter or justify the observations made. Vassyana (talk) 23:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You regularly tag articles {religious text primary} saying they need more secondary sources. Considering you tag Sophia (Wisdom), which has 77 references (plus a bibliography), and, (so far), literature, philosophers, abstract concepts shared by both philosophical and religious taoism, culture heros, mythical deities, numerous dragons, fictional characters, abstract concepts... and in the case of an actual religious text, you tag the classic collected commentaries plus reader's digest version, regardless of it being secondarily sourced to Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. There's no reason to entertain the notion that you're not tagging indiscriminately. I hope you'll at least switch to a plain {primary} template.

You don't have to explain yourself, but aren't we all hearing: text about religious, esoteric or spiritual subject matter is primary religious text because it's part of the body of literature (text) regarding the subject. Furthermore, each editor should be at liberty to disregard normative categorization of the subject matter (disregard WP category, templates, etc.) as well as the current article text, if it includes any explanation apart from those of the editor's preferred "third" party, at their sole discretion?

An editor can thus announce a WP article is "religious text" in a big box right at the top of the page, both cautioning the reader to expect an article based on a single source, and encouraging third, (or maybe fourth, fifth etc.) party sourcing.

I'm sure that in no way describes your intentions... it's just that lacuna between someone asking you to stop, when you don't even have to explain yourself.

There are still quite a few I haven't had time to review yet. Where appropriate, I've included a generic {primary} tag (below the "fold", where the references are).

I've found three articles where your use of the tag was not implausible at first blush, however, with a little more research, either the "religious" or the "primary" part, (or both), just weren't applicable... (which I attempted to clarify in my edit summaries).

The vast majority of the articles you've tagged were not at all plausible. Your edit summaries were very terse, sometime referring to an unspecified source problem, and generally either ignoring secondary sources or just saying that more were needed. A few of your remarks on neopagan articles were less generic... I'll try my best to keep the faith and encourage you, in the future, to use a plain {primary} template, or better still, to post your analysis and suggestions for improving an article on its talk page.

We're all biased to edit the articles in which we're interested, but is narrowing in on the prolific tagging of "religious text" the way to go? Anyway, everyone's help and advice is much appreciated.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Answering your comment at the AE

Hi,

I have tried to better explain my request at the AE (it was not about a violation of the topic ban sanction but other issues included in that sanction. Also, I have realized that Justin/Monster had fought in Gibraltar articles a couple of edit wars where I had not been involved, so I've added the diffs to the request. Finally, I tried to provide some section links (not too good, I'm afraid, it's been a very long and heavy discussion...) You can check all of this if you want[1]. Thanks! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Massacre

If a source said "the terrorists cut his head off" and the WP writer said "the terrorists decapitated him" you wouldn't go change it because the source didn't use the word "decapitated". If you would in fact change that, you don't understand WP:OR. Exorcism is along the same lines. The words used in the sources are the exact definition of exorcism. It's a synonym. Geĸrίtzl (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I missed this, but it's really quite simple: 1) Some of the sources do not talk about the subject of the article or the individuals involved. 2) Some of the sources are not at all clear about what kind of help and counseling was being sought. We should not include 1) because they are not sources addressing the topic. We should not put words in the mouth of 2), for obvious reasons. --Vassyana (talk) 03:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

You're back!

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--Xavexgoem (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC) :-D

Hey, welcome back! --JN466 03:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

AE

So, ArbCom says I am allowed to out your personal information, and now apparantly I can question your competence with impugnity. I will be sure to take advantage of this next time I wish to win an editing argument. You wonder why I have no major mainspace edits lately? Because the lunatics are running the asylum. --Narson ~ Talk • 10:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The person in question had their account renamed. Their entire editing history with the previous name remains intact. Requests were not made regarding identity until well after the fact. The history under that identity is not secret and was relevant to the matter at hand. One cannot describe the justification for the arbitration case and the editor's history without mentioning that public, prior username. How is that the nefarious outing of personal information?

I am aware of the competence questioning. See my responses to WCM and Richard. Vassyana (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, the outing comment is in reference to an event back during the original ArbCom in relation to GibNews where one editor repeatedly outed another (or tried), including at the ArbCom evidence and ArbCom neglected any sanction. I think there is no better evidence for what I feared allowing Imal and Richard to get away with it while punising Justin would achieve, they move to tighten things further. Their purpose is to block him from contribution, not to work collectively and your ruling unwittingly promotes this harmful approach. --Narson ~ Talk • 00:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you meant about outing.

I worked with recent history. I looked a bit back and a bit over the long term history. I'm aware of who's who. Sanctions are supposed to be preventative. That is, there should be a pressing reason *now* to impose a sanction. Should Richard, Imulbornoz, or other editors rekindle edit wars, act with disruptive hostility, or so on, then I will step in again or ask another administrator to look at the matter.

If you really want to help the situation, help WCM stay productively focused and help him work with the dispute resolution process. If a new problem or recurrence of disruption occurs, please let me know. Vassyana (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

New proposal regarding WMC

Hi,

Could you explain a little more the new sanction proposal? I am ready to accept softer sanctions on WCM than the ones in your earlier proposal, but I'm not sure what you are exactly proposing and how it would work (e.g. what is 0RR?).

One of my main worries is that I don't think WCM did get the message the last time (other than avoiding extremely uncivil behavior), and the editors closer to him don't see much wrong in his behavior either. Also, he has shown several cases of very temporary redemption in the past. So I think this time the sanction should be able to really be able to drive the message home, even if we are considering softer sanctions. Thanks! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

0RR is mainspace editing permitted with no reverts. I would expect any further disruption to be handled with escalating sanctions. Vassyana (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, I will support any sanction you propose to help improve WMC's behavior (that's my main worry). Hopefully, if you are able to drive the message home and -at the same time- I and Richard Keatinge accept softer sanctions on WMC, he will change his ways, view us in a better light and reduce the tension in the article... I really hope so. Thank you very much for your intervention! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Would you be prepared to mentor my interaction on Gibraltar?

May I request a modification of your remedy, a general 1RR restriction on the article. I have a problem with 0RR. During my topic ban I frequently noted vandalism on the article from the banned user Gibraltarian. I would normally have simply reverted such vandalism, however, from June till my return no one took an interest in the article and it often remained there for days. 1RR would allow me to revert vandalism. Wee Curry Monster talk 23:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

On further reflection can I ask for one more thing to be considered. That there shouldn't be any further references to past events for which I have sincerely apologised for. Wee Curry Monster talk 23:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I will not be a mentor. However, you are encouraged to ask for advice and quite welcome on my talk page. I'm going to keep my eye on the Gibraltar articles and try to keep things on track. As far as older behavior, if you are staying clear of problems, I would consider bringing it up to be obvious baiting. As for the RR restriction, it's easy enough to explicitly state the exception for clear vandalism and obvious sockpuppets, as those are not usually considered under revert restriction rules. Thank you for the polite response and questions. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Could I be slightly persistent and ask that there is a more explicit outcome. A 1RR would allow some leeway and I probably wouldn't be asking if there wasn't the history where a revert of a persistent vandal wasn't used to make a 3RR report. See Talk:ARA General Belgrano#Great Wrongs and Advocacy.

In addition, I would accept that past conduct should be brought up if there is a re-occurence. However, if there isn't, bringing it up is contrary to WP:CIVIL, given that other paries are aware of this, then clearly some sort of sanction would be warranted as it is clearly disruptive. It would help my peace of mind were a line to be metaphorically drawn in the sand. Again here I'm being persistent as the point was made in the past and this conduct has re-occurrred at WP:AE. Wee Curry Monster talk 01:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar Discretionary Sanctions

Sorry? I have been mostly absent of Gibraltar-related articles in the last months (especially those considered controversial). Am I done anything wrong? I wasn't topic-banned in the arbitration case, but anyway I haven't been too active. In fact, my last edicion in Gibraltar-related articles was here to include the information about the death of the emeritous Gibraltar Catholic bishop. Was it controversial? Who's Wee Curry Monster? Many thanks for your understanding (but it's me the one that does not understand anything) --Ecemaml (talk) 11:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've read the links you're provided and it seems it's Justin A. Kuntz again :-(

With regard to me, I don't think that my edition in Bernard Patrick Devlin including information about his death is actually related to the articles Gibraltar and Demographics of Gibraltar and their associated talk pages. I haven't been active in such articles (or discussion pages in the past 30 days). Of course that I won't take advantage of it to edit in those articles, but I'd like to have sort of clarification. Best regards and, again, thank you for your time and effort. --Ecemaml (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

She is just making a blanket routine reminding to all editors that could remotely be covered by those conditions. Un aviso de rutina a todo lo que respire y que esté vagamente cerca del lugar de los hechos, vaya. It doesn't look like it's directed towards you. No parece que vaya dirigido a ti. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I sent the message to everyone who edited or joined discussions in the past month or so. It does not mean that you did anything wrong. It is a general notice. Vassyana (talk) 18:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

OK. Noticed :-) —Ecemaml (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Your closure of the AE thread

Vassayana, I don't think it was appropriate for you to close the AE thread yet. You closed it under the assumption that three uninvolved admins had declined my appeal, but MastCell was commenting in the wrong section of the thread. MastCell was not an uninvolved admin; he was one of the involved editors whom you contacted yourself in their user talk. [2] I asked MastCell in his user talk to move his comment to the apppropriate section, but he hasn't responded yet. I was about to move his comment myself when you closed the thread.

Thus far, only two uninvolved admins have commented, and the second (Xavexgoem) expressed the opinion that it was problematic how Mathsci and I were being treated unequally. If further discussion among uninvolved admins eventually decides to decline my appeal, I'll accept that, but it's too early to close the thread when only two uninvolved admins have commented and they don't entirely agree with one another. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I’ve just noticed your comment about this in MastCell’s user talk, saying that you don’t consider him involved. MastCell was one of the admins who originally sanctioned me and Ferahgo. Isn’t the whole purpose of an appeal that sanctions can be reviewed by a group of admins other than the admins who implemented them originally? --Captain Occam (talk) 19:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I will do two things to cover your concerns here.

1. I will post an ANI thread, neutrally worded, asking other administrators to add their two cents.
2. I will post in the Arbitration thread asking for clarification regarding the concerns about MathSci.

I hope that helps rectify your concerns. Vassyana (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but for the reason stated above, I still think the AE thread was closed prematurely. I think it would have been more helpful if you’d re-opened the thread so that uninvolved admins could continue offering their opinions there, rather than posting a new thread requesting their opinions at AN/I. --Captain Occam (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Question

What exactly is the question you're asking? I have no idea what you mean. Mathsci (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you aware of this set of "hypothetical" questions? User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#A_question_about_arbitration Mathsci (talk) 20:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Under what conditions will you involve yourself in related discussions and conduct enforcement? Vassyana (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I've sent you an email which might clarify some particular circumstances. You might want to ask the question in a different form once you've read the email. I hope this helps. Mathsci (talk) 21:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Just dropping in...

Hi, I hope all is well. It was very nice of you to stop by my talk page the other day. I didn't know if you saw I responded to you or not so here I am to let you know I did see you there. ;)

I also want to wish you the best for the holiday season. Have a wonderful Happy, Healthy Holiday! I hope you have a great New Year that makes all your wishes come true. I hope to see you around, the bionic woman :), --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Gibraltar

Thank you very much for your help. I am looking for secondary sources that summarize the issue in a couple of paragraphs, but it's taking some time. Most of the sources I have seen don't have short summaries or are primary sources.

I keep searching. I hope to post a response tonight or tomorrow. Again, thanks for dedicating your time to help us out. -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I hope that my intervention helps get things on track. I'm not going to let the matter go around in the same circles over and over again. I appreciate that this is a complex matter, but I do not believe it is the complexity of the topic that is causing the bulk of the problems. I sincerely hope that my active presence will help resolve those problems. If you have any feedback, concerns, or questions, please always feel welcome on my talk page. --Vassyana (talk) 01:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you and...

Thank you for the warning. However, I feel like someone needs to deal with vandalism somehow. For instance, please advice on how to deal with this change made today in spite of warning. I am not saying I will continue to edit war, all I'm asking for is some advice as to how you would deal with an issue like this if you were in my shoes. Thanks again. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 14:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, as I mentioned on the incidents page, I would like to ask for a sockpuppetry investigation regarding User:Voiceofplanet, User:NebY and User:Alexandrian10, and their possible link to users such as User:Nableezy. I was wondering if you could help me file a request like this. Thank you. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 15:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

For a variety of reasons, I am sorry but I must decline to become involved in the back and forth accusations of meat- and sock-puppetry. --Vassyana (talk) 15:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

First, that is not vandalism. That is a disagreement over wording and a citation tag. DO NOT call edits you disagree with "vandalism". They are nothing of the sort.

For that edit, you could (in order):

• Leave them a neutral and polite talk page message asking them to raise their concerns on the talk page instead of reverting.
• If it happens again, list out the recent (past few days or few weeks, depending on contribution level) diffs of reverting without discussion and ask an administrator to give them a warning to avoid reverting in place of discussion.
• If it happens a third time, bring it up for admins again. This time, note that you asked them to participate and that they were warned by an admin.

In addition to the above, you ought to raise the issue on the talk page and make a request for comments if they is no agreement or very few editors voicing opinions there. You can also raise issues on the appropriate content noticeboards (general content, original research, NPOV, etc). If there is discussion, but hard to come to any agreement, try getting a mediator to help out.

• The only "right version" is the consensus version of a an article. If someone persistently edit wars and reverts without participating in content discussions or as a weapon in content disputes, they will be topic banned and/or blocked for increasing periods of time.

I hope this helps provide a bit more guidance. If you have further questions or comments, please share them. I will most likely do my best to address them. --Vassyana (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again. I will do exactly as you suggested. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 15:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Egypt

Hello again!

Nableezy is not happy with the inclusion of the section on Coptic persecution in the article Egypt. First he removed the entire section under the pretext that it was restored by a sockpuppet (while in fact it was written by established users including myself). When I restored the section with its references, he is now putting in question pretty much all the references. Now he reverted it again for the second time, removing the entire section with all the references. Any advice on how you would handle something like this?

Thanks again for your help. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 20:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he outlines specific issues on the talk page and that you should address them. Do not get drawn into an edit war. Solve the matter on the talk page. If there is just disagreement, get some help to resolve it. Go to the reliable source noticeboard. Post a neutral list of articles and sources. Ask what outside editors think about their reliability. Go to the neutral point of view noticebaord. Ask if including certain events or topics is due weight. Give examples of sources covering the topic. Ask an informal mediator to help you reach agreement. Ask for input from the broader community. There are many methods to receive outside opinions and help to resolve disputes. Use them.

If people are being disruptive or tendentious, leave them a talk page message and politely ask them to work productively towards consensus with you. If the problem continues, neutrally ask an administrator to look it over. Be sure to attempt other dispute resolution before going to get an administrator, unless the behavior is really over the top.

I hope this advice helps you. --Vassyana (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Vassyana. Please see the discussion at the talk page, the above user has not even attempted to address the issues raised, instead reverting in full and adding even more poor sources. I would like to avoid reverting as there will be no end with this user, but I am struggling to deal with such behavior. nableezy - 00:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, please see here. I believe you made a pertinent comment in the not so distant past. nableezy - 02:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

How exactly are CNN, BBC, der Spiegel, ABC News etc poor sources??? --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 20:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's cut to the chase here. Either Lanternix lacks the WP:COMPETENCE to edit here, or he is simply WP:POV pushing. The most recent example is his objection to Nableezy removing opinion pieces stated as unattributed fact from http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/21/ahmed.chane.christians.muslims/index.html "Christian Copts are under severe pressure and siege, and usually live in fear for their lives". Given the length of history with Lanternix here and his WP:IDHT [3], (see my post just above that for another example) I'm very skeptical this can be solved in any other way than his ejection from the project, because his approach to editing is fundamentally incompatible with WP:NPOV. How much wiki red tape that's going to involve is another matter. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Just noting that this has my attention. I am leaving for a labyrinth walk and Midnight mass. I will be back in a while. --Vassyana (talk) 03:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I see this has been resolved, correctly in my opinion, by Sandstein. --Vassyana (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

AE

Vassyana, If you find any accusations against me actionable, I ask that I be given enough time to defend myself against them. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Agree. We cannot have a repeat of Looie496's course of action. Chesdovi (talk) 12:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a holiday weekend and there are multiple editors under the scope. I'm not going to rush through anything. Everyone will be allowed a few days to respond to anything said. --Vassyana (talk) 03:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Good idea

[4] but please do not forget User:Nableezy. Warm regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: AE

Hi Vassyana! I support your initiative and believe it is positive. Usually I tread carefully in the I–P area, having edited many articles in this area myself. However, I am familiar with most of the involved users and can summarize the information provided. One thing we must keep in mind however is whether we are overstepping our authority within the confines of WP:AE in dealing with users who merely commented on the AE and were not directly involved in the incidents raised (if it comes to sanctions). Issuing warnings to any editor isn't a problem though. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Imalbornoz

[5] Would you consider remarks like this helpful? Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk 23:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

See also [6]. This isn't discussion is it? Its baiting again. Wee Curry Monster talk 01:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

[7] And now edit warring with an edit summary that is clearly taunting. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:AE

Dear Vassyana, I noticed that the arbitration request concerning me was archived without proper closure, see http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive79#Pantherskin. Could this be properly closed by someone? Pantherskin (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Poor arbcom rulings lead to edit warring

evidence on my talk page. If you wouldn't mind, could you comment with an eye to the open amendment request. jps (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar

Hi Vassyana,

I hope your real life worries are nothing too serious, and they leave you time for this always interesting (but sometimes exasperating) Wikipedia.

Thank you very much for your intervention in the article. Now it looks like we could move on to the next phase, but I don't think we can do it ourselves. Could you please take a look and see if you can find some way to help us out?[8]

Besides, some comments have been made on the best method to ask for outside comments,[9] and I myself have proposed to try MEDCOM. As you know, our problem is to decide on which facts are worth mentioning in the article and which are best left to other main articles. But we don't seem to be able to agree on the facts nor the procedure to prioritize them. If you could leave some comment there it would be wonderful.

Thank you very much for your help! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Gibraltar Mediation

Hello Vassyana! I would absolutely be glad to have your assistance in the mediation process. It may be a good idea to just incorporate your efforts onto the mediation page; this would centralize all discussion and allow the feeling of 'mediation' to hover over your own resolution attempt.

At the present time I am still waiting for one editor to indicate acceptance on the case page. Once he signs on, the process will begin, and I would certainly have no problems with you helping out where needed. Best regards, Lord Roem (talk) 17:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh one more thing. If possible, when the case starts, would you be able to post a summary of the dispute and the positions of the parties (to the best of your knowledge as a third party)? That would be very helpful. Lord Roem (talk) 18:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Note that there are two different issues here, which makes things a little more complicated. The mediation case is for the issue of the wording of the paragraph discussing the capture of Gibraltar in 1704 in the history section (which is what most discussion has been on for the last two weeks - there are various proposals floating about, but this is relevant). The other process is related to a new overview of the dispute in the Politics section. Pfainuk talk 20:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully we will be able to resolve both conflicts. :) -- Lord Roem (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Which doesn't even include the problem with inaccurate portraying the role of various Government institutions in Gibraltar - such as the independent judiciary it has posessed since 1830. Wee Curry Monster talk 22:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Richard Keatinge

Not sure how to phrase this but could you please consider Richard Keatinge's statement in the MEDCAB case see [10]. This includes two diffs from statements made by User:Gibnews see [11] and [12]. Neither of which have any relevance to the discussion at hand and are not relevant to content. I have asked Richard several times to not drag up past comments, see User talk:Richard Keatinge/Archives/2011/January 2011#Suggestion. All too easily inclusion of those comments can be taken to infer the same motivation in those who disagree with him, its content that should be discussed not past editor conduct. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It may be in poor taste, but I do not see it as particularly problematic. What he points out illustrates the point conversation has reached before and the dispute itself. I appreciate your concern, but I just don't see anything actionable here. If he derails discussion with claims about past wrongs or impugns current editors, I will step in. --Vassyana (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Shingo Kobayashi

Hi. I've removed the A7 you applied to Shingo Kobayashi. This article as been through an AFD that was kept as no consensus, and as such, is not eligible for speedy deletion. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I was using a Greasemonkey script to tell me if an article had previous nominations or not. It is apparently not working, so I will make sure to check the talk page for AFD notices. Sorry for the error and thank you for correcting it. --Vassyana (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems. The AFD itself was a bit bizarre, and despite being an unreferenced BLP, got kept as a no consensus. -- Whpq (talk) 15:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing metadata from a redirected page

You have removed the Persondata from redirected page Salman Al-Moasher. Are you sure that this is correct? I have not found the answer in the help pages, but it seems reasonable to keep them, as they do not appear in the target page which is not a BLP. D.Lazard (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It is my understanding, which could be mistaken, that no other content should be present with a redirect. In addition, the metadata template is only to be used on biographical articles, which a redirect is not. Thanks for raising the potential point of concern. If anything else catches your eye or worry, please let me know. Cheers! --Vassyana (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion

Hi Vassyana. Would you keep an eye on Talk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion (if you aren't already doing so)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

As per your guidelines I had edited above article but spacemanSpiff reverted it. Please see the matter of reversion of my latest edit onTalk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion. Regards:Spjayswal67 (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I am waiting for your response onTalk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion. Regards. Spjayswal67 (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Gibraltar mediation

When you get the chance, please jump to the mediation cabal case to write out a brief statement of the conflict as you see it and potential areas of compromise. You have a third-party view to the situation. Regards, Lord Roem (talk) 12:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Two quotes from recent comments at the mediation cabal:

"The short version, omitting the facts which embarrass one national discourse:"

It does nothing of the sort, this is a blatant bad faith accusation.

"The median version, including the facts important to one national discourse and rejected by the other:"

Again nothing of the sort, in both case I object to texts that favour one national discourse over the other either by omission or directly. Could you advise please, I think this is baiting again to get a response. Wee Curry Monster talk 16:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion

I'm trying to get the above project active again. If you like to participate, please add you name to the project page. Mad Man American (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012

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January 2012

In this issue...

• From the Editor
• What are You doing For Lent?
• Fun and Exciting Contest Launched
• Spotlight on WikiProject Catholicism

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Suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity

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Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Vassyana. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 00:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with the Mony Hall problem article

Vassyana, I wonder if you would be willing to help out with a dispute regarding the Monty Hall Problem article.

We have agreed that we would like to have a RfC but we cannot agree on a suitably neutral statement for the RfC. This is all we need.

No technical knowledge or interest in the subject is required. The subject has been discussed to death and we have had an Arbcom case involving conduct and page ownership yet we are still at an impasse. There is a will to move on with an RfC the only problem is how to do this. Would you be willing to help? Martin Hogbin (talk) 14:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: May 2012

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May 2012

From the Editor

This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

Ichthus is the successor to the long running WikiProject Christianity newsletter, run under the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department. As such, you will continue to see information about our latest featured and good articles, DYKs, as well as new members who have joined our project. You might also see links to Christianity related news from the mainstream media!

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

John Carter, Asst. Editor

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity-related topics Noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Help Bring Wikipe-tan "into the fold"

As many of you may know, our unofficial mascot, dear Wikipe-tan, hasn't yet indicated any particular beliefs. However, yes, as we all know, ahem, some people might object to our beloved mascot running around in a French maid outfit. People do talk, you know. ;) If anyone might be able to develop an image of the dear lady in a image more, well, "Christian," I would like to see perhaps a vote for next month as to which, if any, image of the dear girl we might make our own unofficial mascot. Please post your images here.

By John Carter

Christianity in other wikis

As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

By John Carter

Spotlight on the Outreach department

Ichthus will spotlight a different subproject or workgroup of WikiProject Christianity. This edition will spotlight on our vital Outreach department. This comparatively small, but vital, project unit is dedicated to welcoming new editors to Wikipedia and the Christianity related content, and to providing information to the various project members, in forms like this newsletter.

The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

Speaking personally, I would be very, very gratified if we were to have this become a very, very large and active unit, with members from the broad spectrum of Christian beliefs, practices, and groups. The broader the spectrum and areas of expertise of members we have, the better we will be able to help manage the content. Please consider whether you believe you might be able to contribute in this vital area.

By John Carter

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Hello

Am I now going right...? thanks for all the help from you all.Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 17:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: June 2012

ICHTHUS

June 2012

Membership report

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month

by Berthold Werner Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

Vote for the project mascot

We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

DYK

• ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

Calendar

Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art

This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see

By Johnbod

Spotlight

A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

Help requests

Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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Ichthus: July 2012

ICHTHUS

July 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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Church of the month

by User:JaGa Mission Santa Clara de Asis

Vote for the project mascot
We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report
Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

By John Carter

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

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WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter

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August 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.

Spotlight

One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe
... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

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A year and a half

How time flies :-( --Xavexgoem (talk) 10:50, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter

ICHTHUS

September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report

As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.

Spotlight

WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.

I believe
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter

ICHTHUS

September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
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Church of the month

by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image St. Paul's Church, Basel

Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie!

Spotlight

WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.

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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter

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November 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
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By John Carter

Church of the month

Saint-Augustin, Paris by User:Saffron Blaze

Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!

Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.

Calendar
This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert . Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier. This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight

The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.

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Repeated proposals to merge Metalogic and Metamathematics

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Once again, User:Arthur Rubin has proposed to merge Metalogic and Metamathematics. In my opinion, Arthur's issues are POV related, and any merge will most likely result in substantial content deletion. I see that you were opposed to the original proposal, so I thought I would let you know. Greg Bard (talk) 15:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012

ICHTHUS

December 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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By John Carter

Church of the month

This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.

Calendar
This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight

In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013

ICHTHUS

January 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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By John Carter

Church of the month

This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder
This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar
This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013

ICHTHUS

April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month

This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)

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May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

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By Gilderien

Church of the month

Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien

Calendar
This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

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June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)

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July 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

Hemis monastery

• ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar
This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

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EdwardsBot (talk)21:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter

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August 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

Christian Demographics

• ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar
This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

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--Gilderien Chat|What I've done 22:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Super AIDS for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Super AIDS is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super AIDS until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Have you ever received a wiki kitten? You left around the time they were introduced. Here's one for you - maybe it will guide you back?

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Talk:Bosnian mujahideen/sandbox002

Talk:Bosnian mujahideen/sandbox002, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Bosnian mujahideen/sandbox002 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Talk:Bosnian mujahideen/sandbox002 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. BDD (talk) 16:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Vassyana/Early Christianity

User:Vassyana/Early Christianity, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vassyana/Early Christianity and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Vassyana/Early Christianity during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Ichthus April 2018

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April 2018

Project News
By Lionelt

Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter Ichthus! Getting this issue out was touch-and-go for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:

• There was a lively discussion about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
• RFC at Knights of Columbus regarding a question about having Prop 8 in the lead
• In anticipation of being nominated for Featured article, Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was put up for Peer Review by Ltwin
• The death of Billy Graham on February 21 was a profound loss for many. For the Wikipedia reaction see this discussion. Graham received a blurb.
• And... Order of Friars Minor--nominated by Chicbyaccident--is still waiting for a GA reviewer. Please help out if you can.

Achievements

Hedy Lamarr as Delilah

In March the Project saw four articles promoted to GA-Class. They were the oh-so-irresistible Delilah (nom. MagicatthemovieS) (pictured), Edict of Torda (nom. Borsoka), David Meade (author) (nom. LovelyGirl7) and last but not least Black Christmas (2006 film) (nom. Drown_Soda). Black Christmas? How did that get in there lol? Congratulations to all of the nominators for a job well done!

Did You Know
Nominated by The C of E

... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"

Featured article
Nominated by FutureTrillionaire

Jesus (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God and the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the gospel narratives and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, from which he will return. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah. (Full article...)

Help wanted

We're looking for writers to contribute to Ichthus. Do you have a project that you'd like to highlight? An issue that you'd like to bring to light? Post your inquiries or submission here. And if the publication of this issue is any indication, you're in for the ride of a lifetime!

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Ichthus: May 2018

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May 2018

Project News
By Lionelt

Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Wikipedia community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Wikipedia's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Wikipedia's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.

The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Wikipedia community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by Brisvegas and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. The Transhumanist has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Wikipedia's system of 1,515 portals.

Stay up-to-date on the latest happenings at the Project Watch

Achievements

Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by Borsoka, Jim Bakker nom. by LovelyGirl7, Ralph Abernathy nom. by Coffee and Psalm 84 nom. by Gerda_Arendt. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!

Featured article
Nominated by Spangineer

Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five—Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian—were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. (more...)

Did You Know
Nominated by Dahn

"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"

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Ichthus June 2018

ICHTHUS

June 2018

Project news
By Lionelt

Here are discussions relevant to the Project:

• Liberty University has an RFC regarding the university's relationship with President Trump; see discussion
• Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
• United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion

The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by Gog the Mild, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by Finnusertop. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Stay up-to-date on the latest happenings at the Project Watch

Did You Know
Nominated by Gonzonoir

... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?

Featured article
Nominated by Cliftonian

The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara

The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. (Full article...)

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Ichthus: July 2018

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July 2018

The Top 7 report
By Lionelt

The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:

1. Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
2. Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
3. Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
4. Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
5. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
6. Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
7. Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"

Did you know
Nominated by The C of E

... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn "Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?

Our newest Featured list
Nominated by Freikorp

[[File:|200px|The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling. ]]

The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling.

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.

Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. (more...)

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