User talk:Valereee/Archive 62
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"And also to prevent some sort of majority-rule thing, since obviously there are a ton of American editors who could potentially overrule any other country's editors." Yes, but nothing changes, since, if I'm not mistaken, most articles are written in American English. In my opinion, the rule is wrong; obviously, given the majority of Americans, most of the articles created are written in American English. In conclusion, I appreciate the basic idea of using British English as well, but it doesn't change anything since most articles are written in American English. En.wiki seems to have been created to be almost exclusively American. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, @JackkBrown. I've never checked, actually. But given that so many countries (probably most of Europe and former Commonwealth nations) teach British English, I'm not sure I'd assume that more American editors than probably any other country = more articles use AmEng.
- So it seems like you feel the rule should be something along the lines of, "Since British English is what's taught as a second language in country X, any subjects that are closely associated with that country should use BrEng"? I mean, you could open a discussion at WT:MOS, but given that the Manual of Style is a contentious topic with over 200 archives, I would assume this has been discussed there before.
- But here's the thing: This rule was in all likelihood put into place as some sort of compromise to prevent edit-warring. Changing it now would mean literally millions of articles could be thrown into contention. Like every European country, most of Africa, much of South and Central America, probably China and Japan...anywhere English is taught as a second language, which has to be over 100 countries, articles about that country would be getting the kind of pushback you're getting over adding that Use BrEng template at articles for Italian foods.
- And for what? The different variations of English are nearly 100% comprehensible by pretty much every fluent English speaker no matter the variant they learned. Flavour vs. flavor or gray vs. grey may look "right" to someone, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to understand what they're reading. Even biscuit vs. cookie is comprehensible, and many of the words that are actually different words -- eyeglasses vs. spectacles, for instance -- are familiar to many English speakers. Even the words that aren't -- toilet vs. loo, lorry vs. truck -- are often comprehensible in the context of an article.
- Why would we want to create a huge amount of havoc for so little reward? Valereee (talk) 13:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- thank you for your reply. I would suggest using British English for all articles that use both forms, but not for articles that use only American English. In any case, I'm neutral; even American English has its charm. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown, so if an article is written in AmEng, but at some point there's been some insertion of BrEng into it, we should change the entire article to BrEng? Why? Valereee (talk) 13:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't say that. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm referring to the majority of the form used in an article, perhaps I have explained myself wrongly (example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223895275). JacktheBrown (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown I only see a single change by you in that article (savory > savoury)? What other BrEng words are in it? On a quick scan I didn't see any? Valereee (talk) 13:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a single change; "savoury" is used in the majority, then it's correct to change only "savory". JacktheBrown (talk) 14:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if savoury is used once and savory is used once, and otherwise the article would be identical in either BrEng or AmEng, you'd want to make them consistent. Best practices would be to go check which was added first, then make the other consistent with that first usage. But that's a lot of work, so if you're positive you aren't missing some other instance of usage of AmEng isn't also present, a BOLD change of that single word to make the article consistent in your own preferred variant would be fine, but if anyone else objected you'd want to open a talk section and discuss.
- Be aware that this is a highly-contentious area to be editing in.
- There's also no reason you couldn't make redirects for BrEng if an article is at an AmEng spelling. No one would object to that. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that you changed it to "savory"; in my opinion, this isn't correct, since "savoury" was written twice and "savory" only once (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223979366). The majority was for British English (of course I don't doubt your neutral point of view, you're an administrator and you know what you're doing). JacktheBrown (talk) 14:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, because of the wikidata item? Meh, I don't really care whether it's BrEng. It's not something I tend to worry about much other than for consistency within an article. I just don't want to see people bickering over it, which again is the point of the rule. If you want to revert, fine by me. Put something into your edit summary to explain to other editors, something like 'per talk at Valereee's page', so they won't think this is some sort of edit war over English variants since we had this convo here instead of the article talk.
- Don't assume an admin is necessarily correct. We're generally pretty experienced, but it doesn't mean we know more than other similarly-experienced editors. It's generally also expected that an admin won't remain an admin long if they can't maintain a neutral point of view, but we are just editors whom the community have decided can be trusted not to abuse a few extra tools. Valereee (talk) 15:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that you changed it to "savory"; in my opinion, this isn't correct, since "savoury" was written twice and "savory" only once (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223979366). The majority was for British English (of course I don't doubt your neutral point of view, you're an administrator and you know what you're doing). JacktheBrown (talk) 14:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a single change; "savoury" is used in the majority, then it's correct to change only "savory". JacktheBrown (talk) 14:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown I only see a single change by you in that article (savory > savoury)? What other BrEng words are in it? On a quick scan I didn't see any? Valereee (talk) 13:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown, so if an article is written in AmEng, but at some point there's been some insertion of BrEng into it, we should change the entire article to BrEng? Why? Valereee (talk) 13:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- thank you for your reply. I would suggest using British English for all articles that use both forms, but not for articles that use only American English. In any case, I'm neutral; even American English has its charm. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Hi, Valeree! Hello, JackkBrown, just can't believe how much text has been written about one letter. In the hope of avoiding at least some future disagreements over such trivia: the article Pastizz is on a topic closely related to Malta, so should use Maltese English (which is essentially British English but with some quite distinct and surprising differences). When the American spelling was added with [[Special:Diff/1021482067|this edit] in May 2021, the standard English/Maltese spelling was already in the page (the eighth word of the text). I'm going to go and restore it now but ... don't we all have better things to do? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Justlettersandnumbers: in fact, I corrected the English form used on the article by writing "savoury" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223895275), but then I changed it again (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223979366) because Valereee intervened by choosing American English (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223973758; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223973798); of course, I'm not misjudging Valereee. JacktheBrown (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Justlettersandnumbers! Valereee (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please I am interested in Wikipedia and have a good reason to edit. Please don't block me. I correct errors in articles. Thank you. Happy editing! A.Viki Wiki7 (talk) 16:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Question: since I correct Italian food pages in their entirety, if I find an article that's inconsistent with English, can I report it or should I ignore it? JacktheBrown (talk) 13:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- You could mark it with a cleanup needed tag, noting the reason as 'inconsistent English variant'. Do you use Twinkle? It makes tagging easy. Valereee (talk) 14:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can it also be used from a mobile device? However, never used. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like there's something at User:Plantaest/TwinkleMobile for mobile users. But even without twinkle, you could add
- {{Cleanup|reason=Inconsistent English variants.|date=June 2024}}
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- Can it also be used from a mobile device? However, never used. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I'll go take a look, but in future it's best to make a request at WT:DYK. Valereee (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. In the Infobox intangible heritage template what does "Session" mean? (Neapolitan pizza) JacktheBrown (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you follow the reference in the infobox, it leads to this, and if you follow the link in the subhead there, it leads to this Valereee (talk) 15:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, thought this may interest you!
Hello Valereee, I ran across the talk page for Struthman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and figured it may be worth pointing out to an admin rather than just blanking it myself, for obvious reasons.
Thanks! Awshort (talk) 08:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- And Derekforest985 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), please.
- Awshort (talk) 08:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weird, thanks! I've deleted. Valereee (talk) 10:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Oh, thank you! I was amazed how fast that bore fruit! Valereee (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Me too, and I'm not entirely sure how you did it. CMD (talk) 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- CMD, I went to Amherst, Mass on Commons and just started paging through, looking for people who'd uploaded multiple photos in that category, then pinged to the DYK discussion the ones who'd also edited en.wiki recently. Valereee (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Amazing, I assumed you'd found some Petscan trick. CMD (talk) 01:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- And here I thought I was relatively famous for being the most tech-impaired editor of my general level of experience. Valereee (talk) 10:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Amazing, I assumed you'd found some Petscan trick. CMD (talk) 01:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- CMD, I went to Amherst, Mass on Commons and just started paging through, looking for people who'd uploaded multiple photos in that category, then pinged to the DYK discussion the ones who'd also edited en.wiki recently. Valereee (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Me too, and I'm not entirely sure how you did it. CMD (talk) 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Non-XC edits re: Arab–Israeli conflict
Hi Valereee, I see you blocked (and unblocked) User:Dag21902190 last month. They were warned on 8 June about WP:PIA and specifically the WP:XC restriction. Today, I reverted their edits at Ofer Winter because they were not extended-confirmed, and the edits were related to the Arab–Israeli conflict. I have not reviewed their other edits, but wanted to flag this. Wracking talk! 18:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’d like you to expand on this, please. What did I write that you didn’t like? Everything was sourced, and part of the content were direct quotes. Dag21902190 (talk) 18:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’d like to note that you reverted his profile to non-current information. He is no longer a member of the IDF, and you deleted all information about his recent and controversial release from the military. It has been extremely notable in Israel, and everyone is discussing it. Your reverting privileges should be re-examined. Dag21902190 (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Was this message sent because I only have 488 edits, not 500 yet? That makes more sense. Sorry for not understanding. I encourage you to change the edits back. It is very relevant. Dag21902190 (talk) 18:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like the two of you have worked this out? Yes, Dag, until you have 500 edits + 30 days, you can't edit in that space. Be aware that this is just an attempt to
- minimize disruption
- keep you out of trouble
- You are still a very new editor, and editing in that subject area is fraught. The fact you go from 499>500 edits does not really do much to ensure you know how to keep yourself out of trouble. Listen closely when people discuss your edits with you. Valereee (talk) 19:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will not undo my revert, as I think there are other problems with your changes. Phrasing like triggering an uproar in many parts of Israeli society, immense backlash, shockingly released, conveyed his continued love for the IDF is weakly sourced and/or stretches the limits of maintaining a neutral and encyclopedic tone. The quotes added are numerous and lengthy, including a lengthy quote in the lead. I'll leave a note at WT:ISRAEL to see if someone else will step in. I don't have the bandwidth for this. Wracking talk! 20:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- First off, there has been immense backlash and uproar in parts of Israeli society since he was released, the sources I provide will say the same exact thing. And secondly, the quote that was provided immediately after I wrote that he conveyed his love for the IDF, is literally a direct quote of him conveying his love for the IDF. And it was in fact the first speech he gave after getting released. Weird… why are you trying to hide these things in America? Dag21902190 (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- This has been one of the biggest scandals in Israeli military history. The backlash is currently going on, at this very moment. However, because of you, there is nothing on Winter’s Wikipedia page about it. Seems odd. If you deleted my work at least add your own work. Dag21902190 (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- First off, there has been immense backlash and uproar in parts of Israeli society since he was released, the sources I provide will say the same exact thing. And secondly, the quote that was provided immediately after I wrote that he conveyed his love for the IDF, is literally a direct quote of him conveying his love for the IDF. And it was in fact the first speech he gave after getting released. Weird… why are you trying to hide these things in America? Dag21902190 (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like the two of you have worked this out? Yes, Dag, until you have 500 edits + 30 days, you can't edit in that space. Be aware that this is just an attempt to
- @Dag21902190, I'm going to warn you again that you need to be very careful in this topic area. It is fraught, and I'm not sure you're understanding what I mean when I say that. It's really not a good area for new editors to be working in. Valereee (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, I won’t touch these kind of topics until more established. Clearly a touchy area, and requires more understanding of this platform/community. Thanks for the guidance, Valeree. Dag21902190 (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-25
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- People who attempt to add an external link in the visual editor will now receive immediate feedback if they attempt to link to a domain that a project has decided to block. Please see Edit check for more details. [21]
- The new Community Configuration extension is available on Test Wikipedia. This extension allows communities to customize specific features to meet their local needs. Currently only Growth features are configurable, but the extension will support other Community Configuration use cases in the future. [22][23]
- The dark mode beta feature is now available on category and help pages, as well as more special pages. There may be contrast issues. Please report bugs on the project talk page. [24]
Problems
Cloud Services tools were not available for 25 minutes last week. This was caused by a faulty hardware cable in the data center. [25]
- Last week, styling updates were made to the Vector 2022 skin. This caused unforeseen issues with templates, hatnotes, and images. Changes to templates and hatnotes were reverted. Most issues with images were fixed. If you still see any, report them here. [26]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 June. It will be on all wikis from 20 June (calendar). [27][28]
- Starting June 18, the Reference Edit Check will be deployed to a new set of Wikipedias. This feature is intended to help newcomers and to assist edit-patrollers by inviting people who are adding new content to a Wikipedia article to add a citation when they do not do so themselves. During a test at 11 wikis, the number of citations added more than doubled when Reference Check was shown to people. Reference Check is community configurable. [29]
- Mailing lists will be unavailable for roughly two hours on Tuesday 10:00–12:00 UTC. This is to enable migration to a new server and upgrade its software. [30]
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MediaWiki message delivery 23:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Continued vandalism by previously blocked IP
FYI, I just reverted a similar piece of vandalism by 31.167.80.48 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) after your initial 31 hour block earlier this week. VanIsaac, GHTV contWpWS 14:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Blocked for a week. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2024)
Hello, Valereee. The article for improvement of the week is:
Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Sports equipment • National economy (Turkey) Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • |
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Tech News: 2024-26
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Editors will notice that there have been some changes to the background color of text in the diff view, and the color of the byte-change numbers, last week. These changes are intended to make text more readable in both light mode and dark mode, and are part of a larger effort to increase accessibility. You can share your comments or questions on the project talkpage. [31]
- The text colors that are used for visited-links, hovered-links, and active-links, were also slightly changed last week to improve their accessibility in both light mode and dark mode. [32]
Problems
- You can copy permanent links to talk page comments by clicking on a comment's timestamp. This feature did not always work when the topic title was very long and the link was used as a wikitext link. This has been fixed. Thanks to Lofhi for submitting the bug. [33]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 June. It will be on all wikis from 27 June (calendar). [34][35]
- Starting 26 June, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link at English Wikipedia, making this feature available for you to use at all wikis. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they were linked to, even if this comment has since been moved elsewhere. You can read more about this feature on Diff or on Mediawiki.org. [36]
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ITN recognition for Russell Morash
On 26 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Russell Morash, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
What can I do now?
I wonder if you would express an opinion on whether I am free to make some edits on a subject. There is an open complaint against me at [37]. It seems the comments seem to split between (a) "both sides need to step back and (b) sort this out one article at a time" and the original complainant having some level of fault. (Difficult for me to give a fair summary, of course.) I don't detect any admin making any comment on the matter.
I have sought the advice of an experienced editor on one of the subjects at [38]. The advice (paraphrasing) is that I should go ahead and make the edits that I feel fairly represent the sources. Is that something that I should do with the ANI matter still open?
The original complainant seems to have ceased to be active on Wikipedia. It is anyone's guess when they will come back. (They could be reading this now.)
As it happens, I will be away for two days from tomorrow, so already have little time for anything other than the briefest editing until I am back. But I need to understand if rules, custom etc. allow me to address some of the deficiencies that I perceive to be the outcome of the original complainant's editing. In the first instance, this would probably be clarifying what we know about Austronesian involvement in the translocation of the banana to Africa.
Thanks, ThoughtIdRetired TIR 14:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jeez, that wall of text and all the diffs...I'm not going to try to speak to whether you're "free to". Certainly you aren't forbidden from doing so. But I'd certainly recommend in general staying out of the subject articles until an ANI is resolved. Valereee (talk) 13:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It’s all heated up again so I will leave alone for a while once I have finished the trip I am on. How do these things get closed off eventually? ThoughtIdRetired TIR 17:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- A number of ways. Someone may assess consensus at ANI for a community action, someone may take individual action, or sometimes discussions get archived unactioned. Valereee (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am steadily learning more about this issue. It seems we have an editor who, deliberately or accidentally, erroneously takes their own POV from sources. The result is Wikipedia articles that do not represent the academic consensus. I have even gone so far as to contact a prominent author of papers on one subject to confirm my understanding (just to check it isn't me that's wrong). The answer did confirm my take from the literature – perhaps in stronger terms than I would have used. The catch is that an uninvolved editor would need to do several days' reading to discover that. So I don't see a minority subject in Wikipedia getting this resolved easily – we do not seem to have the mechanisms to deal with this type of article content issue. Unless I am missing something about how Wikipedia works... ThoughtIdRetired TIR 07:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- A number of ways. Someone may assess consensus at ANI for a community action, someone may take individual action, or sometimes discussions get archived unactioned. Valereee (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It’s all heated up again so I will leave alone for a while once I have finished the trip I am on. How do these things get closed off eventually? ThoughtIdRetired TIR 17:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.
The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:
Generalissima (submissions) with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
Skyshifter (submissions) with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
Sammi Brie (submissions) with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
AryKun (submissions) with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.
The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.
Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.
If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)