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There is a book Indica written by a Greek historian Megasthenes in there is a briefly details about the war between the Seleucus I Nikator and Chandragupta Maurya, where Seleucus was defeated and afterwise he had given her daughter Helena to Chandragupta Maurya as a political strategy.In Chandragupta Maurya later life he had a son named Justin from Helena which is briefly mention in the booK Indica.So please have a look on this and correct the page who had edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haunted Nipe (talk • contribs) 17:40, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@Haunted Nipe: Nope, the Indica does not mention any "Helena" or "Justin". These are characters from modern TV serials and plays. utcursch | talk 05:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: No, There is is ICSE History & Civics Textbook of Class 9 published by the A.k.Korana where it is described that Helena daughter of Seleucus I Nikator married to Chandragupta Maurya.

@Haunted Nipe: That ICSE textbook is not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. Googling "A. K. Korana" doesn't produce even a single relevant result. Helena Maurya is a fictional character created by Dwijendralal Ray for the play Chandragupta, and subsequently adapted by a TV show. utcursch | talk 03:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Consider

@Utcursch: Hi, please go through the references, out of 99, only 2-3 Castes use surname 'Gowda', vast majority of lingayat prefix respective occupational surnames. Many of the Indian articles are mistakenly sourced, those need timely updates. If, you and other privileged foreigners with greater tools block newcomers defending outdated/contrary to the reality statements, how can the articles be improved?, what about those who refer Wikipedia?. Now, you have changed the preference, what I had previously done. Expecting your justification.Aatoturk (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC) ^[1].^[2]

References

Which references are you talking about? The above two links don't support your changes. utcursch | talk 14:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, my contention was only about priority, which you have fixed. In the 2nd reference, which says 99 castes, mostly 'Gouda' and 'Kuduvokkaligs' castes use 'Gowda' surname, while i won't be able to prove with external reference, as a native, found that to be a bizzare. While the reference you tagged is certain with your edits, and definitely ok with it.Aatoturk (talk) 02:00, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Mewar

I did not know the syntax for formatting History related articles on Wikipedia.

I know about History of India and Rajasthan in particular as I am a History Aficionado.

Before adding the lineage of the illustrious house of Mewar, I sought permission for the same from Eternal Mewar, an organization and they allowed me to mention about the oldest known dynasty in India.

The website (EternalMewar) is mentioned in many articles related to the rulers of Mewar in the external links sections.

Once again, I am sorry for providing information without verifying from the Wikipedia ADMIN team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarkarankur (talk • contribs)

@Sarkarankur: You don't need to 'verify the information with the admin team' before adding to an article.

You're free to add information, as long as you cite a reliable source, such as a scholarly book by a historian. EternalMewar is a website run by the royals of Mewar, and contains embellished / hagiographic accounts - it is not a reliable source of actual history. utcursch | talk 15:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I have done research on the kingdom of Mewar (1400 yr-old Kingdom) and have been in touch with the administration, and the staff of the royals of Udaipur with regard to same, they (Guhils) are the predecessors of the Kingdom of Sissodias of Chittorgarh and Udaipur.

Gowda, Gehlots and the predecessors of the Kingdom of Sissodia's, the Guhils are different groups. India has 1000s of such groups or even more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarkarankur (talk • contribs) 05:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@Sarkarankur: Please publish your research in a journal / newspaper / book. Wikipedia doesn't accept original research. See Wikipedia:No original research. utcursch | talk 13:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive User

Hi, I see you have warned this user [1] but he seems to be adding unsourced content again on wiki. Checking his edits it seems most of it involve the South Indian Kannada language. Can something be done about this as he seems to have not paid heed to previous warnings.Linguisticgeek (talk)

@Linguisticgeek: I've dropped one more note on the user's talk page. If they continue to make unsourced / poorly-sourced edits, consider dropping a note at WP:ANI. I'll also keep a watch. utcursch | talk 17:15, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

This user is back. Keeps on adding unsourced content which I reverted. He removed a properly cited source on tigalari script. Also seems to have added unsourced content on balija caste and removed pollock citation on their varna. I see enough warnings have been issued to him.Linguisticgeek (talk)

@Linguisticgeek: Blocked for a week. utcursch | talk 16:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Advice

I've recently expanded and created 3 separate sections about Alauddin Khilji's religion including views on it, relationships with Hindus and Jains. I think the relationships should be separated from religion as they are not completely related. However, then again some of his actions are motivated to exploit religious purposes. What do you think? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Looks good to me, thanks. You might want to attribute Barani's statements to him -- most historians do not consider his religion-related information entirely reliable. utcursch | talk 19:24, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Actually the problem is in secondary sources. It's difficult to find one that is always detailing where it derived the info from. I used KS lal but he doesn't always mention Barani's information from Barani it seems. Wherever the source says, I add it however. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 07:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Khilji changes

Hi.

I've not made a mistake and citation is not required.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/khilji-the-first-afghan-dyansty-of-hindostan.307086/

My ancestors were the Malmuk Delhi Sultanate.

So I know for a fact that Khiljis are not Turks but Afghans. They had some Turk blood. But they adopted Afghan identity.

Furthermore in this article below read early life section. It clearly mentions that the Indian Turks considered them Afghans. Shah Rukh Khan is a Khilji. Shah means ruler Rukh means face and Khan is Afghan lord title.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Khalji

Kizznyc (talk) 15:03, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

A forum post is not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. Neither is your statement as a claimed descendant of the Delhi Sultanate rulers. utcursch | talk 16:06, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive IPs

Hi, Utcursch. I blocked 182.70.189.109 and I see you blocked 182.70.182.195 a little later (obviously the same individual). After checking the range contributions from 182.70.176.0/20, I don't see anything other than disruption and harassment from it in the past few weeks, so I've blocked the entire range for a week. I suppose my block may possibly inconvenience a good editor, but that doesn't seem very likely. Anyway. I'm sure the person will pop right back up after the week, or maybe immediately from another range, but what can you do. Regards, Bishonen | talk 19:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC).

@Bishonen: I agree with your actions. The edit history suggests that this is User:JinSHOCK81 (the creator of now-deleted Arkavansham), but I don't have any concrete evidence yet. utcursch | talk 19:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

My edits on the page on Alp Khan

Sir I would like to tell you that Malik Kafur conspiring to kill Alp Khan is not mentioned in any of the texts. The only basis of this conspiracy theory is homophobia nothing else. Aahwan Singh (talk) 16:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Aahwan Singh: The statement that you are removing is backed by a reliable source (Peter Jackson's The Delhi Sultanate: A Political and Military History, page 176). If you have a reliable source (such as a history book or a journal article) that contradicts this statement, feel free to add it to the article. utcursch | talk 16:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Dogra dynasty

Hey, can you please have a look at sources of Dogra dynasty. It even includes Gyan publications. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Added to watchlist -- will work on it when I get some time. utcursch | talk 17:16, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Authenticity

You mean Peter Jackson's Historical fiction? Indeed very reliable source. Aahwan Singh (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Peter Jackson's The Delhi Sultanate: A Political and Military History is not fiction. utcursch | talk 17:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Bhoja

Edits and additions on this page are based on Gazetteer , Government records , inscriptions found . I am trying to write the correct names . As I studied and found that Bhoja was of Pramar (प्रमार ) Dynasty .In all the sanskrit inscriptions and scriptures ( which is the source of History ) , Bhoja and his dynasty is called as Pramar . Continuous use Pramar word slowly became Panwar / parmara / Ponwar /powar /panwar/puar etc . Firista , Abu fazal use the word as Punwar or ponwar . Rasmala , bhats of Rajasthan use पँवार for Pramaras . It is required to specify it here in this page to avoid confusion . More precisely Ponwar or Panwar word need to be used as it is used in so many History books .If you ask any Parmar , they will say they are of Panwar race . I have edited after research on this topic HistoricalQuest (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I've already mentioned this at Talk:Bhoja#Ponwar: British-era Gazetteers etc. are not acceptable sources. The inscriptions do not mention the dynasty as Ponwar/Pramar etc. utcursch | talk 13:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Project Tiger Writing Contest

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DYK nomination of Tail chasing

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Wikipedia page for Ravana Rajput community.

Hello, I think there is discrepancy about the history and origins of Ravana Rajputs between Hindi and English Wikipedia pages. The content in Hindi is more authentic , and I tried to remove this dissimilarity but the previous content was restored. Dschouhantoshina (talk) 08:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dschouhantoshina: The content in Hindi Wikipedia is not more authentic -- it is unsourced. English Wikipedia enforces the verifiability policy more strict: you need to provide reliable sources for the content you're adding. Caste-affiliated websites and publications are not reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. utcursch | talk 16:45, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism on Bangladesh Article

Hello Utcursch, Please do something to stop Manipulateus (talk · contribs) from vandalizing Bangladesh article randomly. He is putting bullshit sources as well as modifying information randomly.--Vivaan65 (talk) 05:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vivaan65: This looks like a content dispute rather than straightforward vandalism: you should try Wikipedia:Dispute resolution to resolve it. Also consider dropping a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh. For obvious vandalism, you can submit a report at WP:AIV. utcursch | talk 12:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Your reverts

Hi,

Sorry, its long, please reply when you have ample time. I want to cover several points with you. I have inserted my signature after each point, so that it is easier for you to reply point by point. In case you are too busy to entertain me, please point me to someone who might entertain all of this from me. Thanks 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

A. I noticed you reverted my edit on : prehistory of Australia with the comment "rv copy-paste across multiple articles, doesn't belong in lead" and Aboriginal Australians with the comment "rv content copy-pasted across multiple articles; repetition / Dikshitar isn't a reliable source etc". I had made a one sentence long same edit in both places, to provide the wider historical context and cross-linkages. Based on taking your another comment elsewhere on face value, I now understand your reasoning why Dikshitar is an outdated source. I want to further understand the following from you:

If Dikshitar is taken out as a source, then all should be well with my edit? 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
It is permissible by wikipedia to apply same edit. Assuming all other things are correct, if the outdated source is taken out then it should be okay to repeat n 2 or 3 places, I can credit it to its original article (though its just one sentence). 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Your first comment says it does not belong to the lede. That means, okay to include in the article elsewhere? That edit is summary itself, what makes you believe it is not worthy of lede (excluding Dikshitar and other points above)? 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
I do not recall, if I Have I ever hurt or wronged you in anyway. If so, let me know. I will sincerely fix it. I do not want anyone's experience being ruined on wikipedia because of me. If not, I felt your tone was bit negative. Please do not be upset, I have not done any wrong to you. Subsequent points are sub-points of this point. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
You mentioned other editors have reminded me of reliable sources. I did not know Dikshitar being reliable or not until you explained. Not possible for all the editors to know of such details of each source. Reason I used Dikshitar because it already exists in some of these articles. I simply re-used it. Not nice to imply as if U am deliberately introducing any such discredited sources. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
We all have been reminded of rules, you and me both. All of this is issue-specific and talkpage specific. Cherry picking and taking it out of the context mentioning it out of the context elsewhere is not the right way. Imagine, if I take others reminder to you and repeat it back to you on another unrelated talkpage. Specially you had never reminded me of anything on my talkpage, and I have not had any disputes of any kind with you. If anyone leaves me a message on my talkpage, I do not ignore it, I sincerely try to resolve each and every issue. So far I have been able to eventually resolve all the issues on my talkpage with the mutual consent. If you have anything, please leave me a nice explanation, and I surely will provide you a nice response with open heart. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
You mentioned I have used predatory journal, I have not used any such thing on these articles. You did not say so in your revert comments, and I am simply reusing combined pre-existing sources from these 2 or 4 Australia history related articles. If there is an objection to these sources, then should have been objected to when the original editor introduced it, unfair to single me out. I am not registered user (some times people treat me with less respect for that reason). I do not have any other registered account (less apps, notifications, etc means more real life). If you meant I used the used predatory journal as source elsewhere it was on another unrelated article then you please leave a message on the talkpage of that article with proper explanation (like you did for Tamil bell). I do not regularly revisit all the articles (helps me avoid edit wars and addiction to wikipedia), but whenever I visit the relevant article, I will surely respond to you. But you should not be generalising, cherry picking (I have been given accolades/kitten for the same edits), using it out of the context that undermines me. Sorry bhai, ye tune jaise comment kiya mujhey theek nhi laga, thoda pyar se cpmment kar deta bhai. I am not messing with people or wikipedia principals. Mei apne mei maast aur shant rehta hun. kisi ko bina wajah ungli nhi karta. Kisi ko mere se takleef hui toh mei us ke dil ki tasalli karne ki koshish karta hun. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
I do find few well entrenched objectionable practices on wikipedia. I do like to challenge those. I do it in a sensible manner, not to hurt people or create troubles. I have no ambitions of becoming admin, creating packing order, etc. If you come across me challenging those, please take take it with open mind. Help me by explaining your reasoning if you oppose, even if you agree with me then help by lending your support to the issue and by sharing additional wisdom for the benefit of the other editor who might be initially opposing it. Sab ke saath pyar se. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

B. Unrelated to the all of above. I came across several issues, I am mildly starting to deal with some of these but have not gotten deep into those yet. I am taking it slow. Can you help/guide me where to take up these issues without getting into groupism I do not want to form any groups, or attack anyone, even those who might oppose me, yaar un ka bhi dil hai. Everyone can be brought around with love and explanation: 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

A "generic" blanket excuse given as "Colonial sources are not unreliable" to keep out the inconvenient edits. What is the basis of this argument and where to find out the original discussion thread on this, so that I can first understand and if need be challenge or give suggestions later. Sure, this can not be misused as a blanket weapon. Whereas, simultaneously on the same article, low quality sources or unsourced text being preserved. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Inconsistent criteria: People objecting to new inconvenient edits, while retaining lower quality sources within their current article. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Knee-jerk reverts without making an attempt to inform the original editor, worse revert of large edit without even spending enough time to read it, worst of all is to revert large effort without giving goodfaith and without making an attempt to collaboratively improve it but rather act like a boss/Phd-reviewer to trash it all. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Throwing 4 or 5 generic wikipedia tags on the editor to block their edit, without giving any specifics to substantiate it. It usually works 99.99% cases on IP and may be 95% cases even on the registered editors I presume. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
I find there is source bias towards exclusivist, toll-gated journals, western sources/journals. There is no attempt to have a more pragmatic inclusive approach to find alternate means of "horses for courses" sources, e.g. Indians are notorious for not documenting their history, or even modern scientist are happy to publish within Indian journals. They might be given a blanket label of unreliable soruces because the Indian/Asian/Non-western journals are seen as shit (just like IP editors are sometimes treated as shit). Archaeological Survey of India published uses research reports for its own use but they never publish in any journals. In short, need to create awareness of rising about the bias for the western tollgated sources, need to define alternative pragmatic criteria for the inclusion of what is reliable source. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
For example, about the predatory journals, some of the author-pays journals might be mislabeled as predatory without proving it with scholarly rigor. There is the different model of publication, they are basically free source publication for the consumer where author pays. Wikipedia is freesource where readers read free and authors pay in terms of investing their time. In that sense wikipedia and so called predatory journals have no difference. A blanket labeling those as predatory without proving it, is not right. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, I came across one incidence, where I have disagreement with someone on it, where the person used dubious pretext without showing intention to collaborate and to revert it to unsourced skeleton text. I have not revisited that article yet as I like to give few days/weeks gap to gain more understanding and to let things cool down (sanity prevails form both sides) but this is still a open issue on my mental checklist. Eventually, I will deal with all. That is why i do not register an account. Free wanderer, revisit articles only when I am in the mood. But, I want to start challenging such biases and assumptions. I do not want to hurt and be the cause of these editors being punished or hurt because they might have spent years working on wikipedia and gaining their tools, access rights, etc. I need to find a way to take them all along. I am going slow, but I have started to probe and push a little here and little there without creating animosity. So far, I have resolved every issue with mutual consent without the involvement of third parties. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Quick to issue warnings (warning templates have unkind words too), without making an to leave a friendly message on the editors page for first 2 or 3 times, warning should be 3rd or 4th option. This takes much longer, but it makes wikipedia more inclusive and kinder. Helps recruit, retain, train and onboard more editors. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Which groups I can read more. I also want to raise these issues to create awareness about these, so that all admins/editors start being more fair, consistent, kinder. I worry people might mistake it for pushing an agenda, diluting quality, etc etc and pounce of me, because some of it will shake up their deep rooted biases, disrupt the chain of "packing order" (wikipedia is egalitarian only in the name) and their personal feudal hold over the particular set of articles they may have created. Established editors and admins are in a better position to be "key influencers" than me, but initially they may see me as threat to their norms, practices, regime, etc. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, if I made you fall asleep. Reply slowly when you have ample time and good mood to discuss. Please thoda effort kar ke acche se reply kar dena. Good night bhai. Khana kha le, soo ja. PS: typo etc and other stuff I will clean up in later round, hope its okay with you even if its after your reply to me. Thanks. 202.156.182.84 (talk)

(talk page stalker) @ 202.156.182.84, you need to read WP:WALLOFTEXT first ...Adamstraw99 (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

About Australia-related edits: Feel free to add relevant content that is reliably sourced, and is actually supported by the sources -- I've no problem with that. You added the claim that the DNA of the Indian Tamil sea-farers is found in Austrlian Aborigines to 4 different articles[2][3][4][5], which doesn't meet these criteria.
If you're simply "re-using" sources by copying them from exisitng articles, and pasting them into multiple articles within a short period, without analyzing them, you're not doing it right. 'Other crap exists' is not a valid argument here -- if other articles have poor sources, those articles should be fixed.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "colonial sources". But if you're referring to catalogues of castes and tribes written by British civil servants, this topic has been discussed at WP:RSN in the past -- books that stereotype entire groups of people and classify many of them as criminal tribes are not at all acceptable sources.
Personally, I've never encountered opposition for using Indian authors/journals/books as sources (and I use them a lot). "Indian/Asian/Non-western journals" are not seen as "shit" -- shitty journals, whether Indian or "Western" are seen as shit. It may be possible though, that because of its sheer size, India has a large number of poor-quality journals (just like a large number of poor-quality engineering and medical colleges -- just because these colleges don't appear in "World's Top 100 Universities" list doesn't mean that the compilers of those lists are biased against India).
For content disputes, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. For general discussions and suggestions about how Wikipedia operates, try Wikipedia:Village pump.

utcursch | talk 00:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Reference editing

I am a Research Scholar at a University. And in the University, the Internet connection is through the proxy server. Therefore I am blocked for editing on wikipedia. I don't know why and how that reference section edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brijendra Pratap Singh Janwaar (talk • contribs) 08:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

advice

	thanks bro
	thanks bro PANJABI21 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghirth

Ghirth Bahti Chang are jats . Ronak bains (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronak bains: You need a reliable source (e.g. a scholarly book or a journal article) to support that claim. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability. utcursch | talk 15:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Dont .. miss guide people about ghirth Ronak bains (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Jat Mahasabha ..had mentioned ghirth bahti chang are jats .. better you change the history ..its is not true that you have edited Ronak bains (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronak bains: Do you have a reliable source (e.g. a news article, a scholarly book, or an academic journal) which states that the Jat Mahasabha has classified Ghirths as Jats? If so, you can add that statement to the article. utcursch | talk 16:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I have photos of documents Ronak bains (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

If you're talking about photos of documents released by a caste association, that's not good enough. Lots of Hindi/regional newspapers have news websites - can you present any of those news articles? See Wikipedia:Citing sources. utcursch | talk 16:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

And your reference are also ..not clear about ghirth ... Better you update the information ..which you have updated earlier Ronak bains (talk) 16:14, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

The Indian Institute of Advanced Study is a well-established academic organization, and its publications are reliable. If you have another reliable sources that contradicts its publications, feel free to add them to the article. utcursch | talk 16:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

If you want proof then .. go to jatland.com This website is for welfare of jats in india. You will get reliable references Ronak bains (talk) 16:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Jatland.com is a user-contributed wiki, and not an acceptable source by Wikipedia standards. utcursch | talk 16:22, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghirth ar jats of Himachal because people living in Punjab and border ares during 1940-50 period are even considered themselves as jats ! they are jatts in punjab ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ds324658 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you mad or what you are saying that ...jatland.com registered govt organisation .. is useless Ronak bains (talk) 16:25, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

If you want proof come himachal ..then research ...dont give rise to strikes in himachal.. our govt. Know that we are High caste Ronak bains (talk) 16:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Being a registered organization doesn't make one a reliable source. Anyone can register an organization and a domain name. If you still haven't gone through WP:TUTORIAL, please do. utcursch | talk 16:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

And mahesh sharma reference is also not a realiable source ..better you stay away from this Ronak bains (talk) 03:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Actually, it is. If you haven't gone through WP:TUTORIAL, please do. utcursch | talk 13:27, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Tail chasing

On 26 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tail chasing, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that tail chasing in dogs is a compulsion similar to those seen in humans suffering from OCD? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tail chasing. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Question

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/Kanumuri-Bapiraju-faces-uphill-task-in-Narsapuram/articleshow/33795850.cms https://books.google.com/books?id=oQOF7tkWXjIC&pg=PA98&dq=kshatriyas+rajus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD-s67t4PaAhWGxFkKHcyxBUY4FBDoAQhUMAk#v=onepage&q=kshatriyas%20rajus&f=false.

The first source says "Rajus (Kshatriya)" and the second source clearly says "The rajus are a small, close-knit community of the Kshatriya caste". May I know why neither of them mean Raju is a synonym of Kshatriya? Sharkslayer87 (talk) 13:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

This link says "Ashok Bharadwaj (Congress)": that doesn't translate to "Ashok Bharadwaj is a synonym of Congress". If you're asking how the second link doesn't support your assertion, you don't know what a "synonym" means. utcursch | talk 13:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Ghirth

Hi, Utcursch. We don't normally semi talkpages, but I have to say I'm tempted re Talk:Ghirth. What do you think? Just look at all that crap, clearly posted by caste warriors in frustration at not being able to "improve" the main page. Well, I know you've seen the crap, I don't have to tell you. I've indeffed Father of Mukesh, btw. Bishonen | talk 16:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Thanks, I agree that semi-protection would be a good idea. utcursch | talk 16:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. But I've now figured I'd first post a warning, to see if that helps, but I haven't been able to make it look at all noticeable, so I've just now asked my talkpage stalkers for help in creating an angry red box. (Maybe you're good with boxes, HINT HINT?) Bishonen | talk 20:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

There is {{Not a forum}}, which has a parameter for additional comment. But maybe the folks who visit your talk page know of something better -- let's wait for their inputs. utcursch | talk 20:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

They've already put a very nice obnoxious box on the page.😀 I didn't like to remove most of the stuff that you have replied to — you're really very patient — but I removed some. Bishonen | talk 21:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

But I was probably trying to think of the Not a forum template, thanks for the tip — I'll use that another time. Bishonen | talk 21:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC).

Vandalism on Mohammed Rafi

I need assistance because some user with multiple IP addresses and accounts is continually vandalising the article and making disruptive edits despite all level of warnings given. Thanks. Wolf Cola (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Looks like User:Oshwah has taken care of this. utcursch | talk 13:22, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Upplapati1

Hey, I blocked this chap and now his sock Samanthathepirate, but on deeper look it appears that this may be part of the larger sock farm of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Atmnn/Archive, can you or Begoon check on that? I might need to retag these. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Will take a look at the edits to find evidence of sockpuppetry. utcursch | talk 13:23, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Sock puppetry edits on "Heo Hwang-ok"?

Not sure if you noticed or not, but there's a pattern from quite a few accounts/IPs that seem to be adding roughly the same unsourced information. I gathered as many suspected accounts as I could. The oldest offender that I could find with this editing pattern was ~~2405:204:7204:5708:140F:3A2D:C89F:2A8~~ edit: found an older one making similar/same edits 202.153.6.232

I gathered as many suspected accounts as I could and created a .txt file of all the accounts and IPs that I could possibly find up to this point.

Should I go through with the sock investigation request or would you like to go through with it? If you wish to do so, I will reply back with all the accounts (linked for convenience) as soon as I can. (crossing my fingers that you go through with it instead of me) :)

Best regards, StaringAtTheStars (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@StaringAtTheStars: Definitely worth looking into, although it is quite possible that these are different people coming from some kind of web forum. utcursch | talk 13:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Ahir

Stop reverting the correct edits on the page, if you dont know something, put the hands off the keyboard. Thanks DG Ahir (talk) 09:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Rajput karni sena

Hey, shri rajput karni sena is not formed by the unemployed youth. Please stop spreading false information. Saurav Rajawat (talk) 03:36, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

@Saurav Rajawat: The article cites a The Times of India as a source. Do you have a reliable source that contradicts The Times of India report? utcursch | talk 13:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

History of India

pls care History of India! the page need more protection! some pov pusher are active there ! well referenced Bengali renaissance become now hindu renaissance ! what about late muslim contribution and education n women right fighter from muslim community --- 2A0A:A541:CDB8:0:3867:5AD6:3593:82CC (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Can you link to a specific diff? Also, consider dropping a note at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 00:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Beijing Review reference in Shanghai Hero Pen Company

Hi Utcursch,

I see that you have added reference to Beijing Review https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Shanghai_Hero_Pen_Company

I have seen their 1992 issue (http://www.massline.org/PekingReview/#1992) and could not find any reference to this company. COuld you please clarify which page number did you see? Vintagecontributor (talk) 06:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)vintagecontributor

@Vintagecontributor: It's this article 'Hero': China's Parker For 60 Years. Google Books may have mislabeled the volume/issue. utcursch | talk 12:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Thanks, how did you read the article. It seems inaccessible. Vintagecontributor (talk) 01:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)vintagecontributor

@Vintagecontributor: It was accessible on Google Books when I added the reference some years back. You can try your luck at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. utcursch | talk 03:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Battle of Chamkaur (1704)

Your thoughts on user:Ama975193 using a primary source for 1 million Mughals at Chamkaur? --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Obviously, not a great idea. "1 million" seems figurative. utcursch | talk 14:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, it's pretty obvious that this is not the user's first account: the first edit was a new article with infobox and refs. Can't figure out the master account, but it is noteworthy that our friend created Capture of Delhi and Red Fort (1783), and the now-blocked User:John Bourker created Sikh Occupation of Delhi and Red Fort (deleted as copyvio/uencncyclopedic in the past). utcursch | talk 14:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, I had a feeling this person was not a "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Tyagi

Mr. Prakash Vir Shastri was a Tyagi. Rehra village is village of Tyagi's. Please conform to due dilligence before relentlessly removing my addition repeatedly. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs)

@Tyagiaman: Please see WP:BURDEN and WP:BLP. You need to provide a reliable source that he was a Tyagi. utcursch | talk 17:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

It is clearly written in a reference from indian parliament. Please read reference named http://164.100.47.132/LssNew/biodata_1_12/1366.htm a b "Bioprofile". Lok Sabha website. Retrieved 1 May 2015. I have added few more references for you. Hope it suffices. If you feel it is still not apt then you need to do more due diligence before removing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 16:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The Lok Sabha biodata mentions the surname of his father as Tyagi, not his own surname. He has given up his caste-related surname: you cannot impose it on him. See WP:BLP.

The other references that you have provided are simply Wikipedia mirrors, with caches of your previous edits. They cannot be used as citations per WP:CIRCULAR. utcursch | talk 13:23, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

You are not bright enough to understand i am talking about Tyagi 'caste'. Tyagi caste can have different surnames like Sharma, Singh etc.. You dont know about it and you keep wasting my time with edits. You do not have the qualification to be an expert on this field. You can ask anybody who knows Mr. Prakash Vir Shastri that his caste was Tyagi. Just because there is no substantial proof from 70 years back you can not deny them their identity. By the way, do you have citation for everything on wikipedia? You do not have the skills to be an administrator or moderator on this topic so please go find yourself a job which you are good at. You have spoiled my day on so many occasions trying to get 1 well aware thing added to this forum. Does this get you more money to keep going back & forth? Is this your way of keeping yourself happily employed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyagiaman (talk • contribs) 14:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I do not claim to be an expert in this field, and I do not get paid to edit Wikipedia. As for the citations, please see WP:BURDEN. utcursch | talk 14:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you check ...

Hi, do you have time to check this edit? I am not sure that it is even relevant to the article but the source is one of those Diamond Pocket Book things that you have recently noted are sometimes poor. I cannot see the relevant pages. - Sitush (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

That article is better off being divided into Patil (title) and Patil (surname), just like Inamdar (feudal title) and Inamdar (surname). utcursch | talk 19:24, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that was my thought, too. I will have a word. - Sitush (talk) 04:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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Chauhan

Hi, you did a lot of work on Chauhan some years ago. It has descended into a mess of attempted pov edits yet again and now the Yadava source is listed in the bibliography but not cited. I am unsure how to get it back in there or even if it should be in there because things have changed so much. You appeared to introduce it in a series of edits around here. Can you make sense of things? - Sitush (talk) 04:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

My guess would be that it needs to be somewhere near This legend was probably invented by the 10th-century Paramara court poet Padmagupta, whose Nava-Sahasanka-Charita mentions only the Paramaras as fire-born but I cannot see the thing. - Sitush (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

It's probably not required. I must have copied it from Agnivansha by mistake, while copying another citation. utcursch | talk 13:31, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Page Move Discussion

There is a Page move discussion going on for Rajneesh. Would you be interested in participating? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rajneesh#Requested_move_11_June_2018 Accesscrawl (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Accesscrawl: Can't say I'm knowledgeable enough about this topic to contribute. Consider dropping a note at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 15:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I did it, thanks for info. Accesscrawl (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Anything else do you suggest to get more attention on the discussion? Accesscrawl (talk) 15:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

It should get more attention from the WT:IND post. You can also try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. utcursch | talk 15:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Accesscrawl (talk) 09:38, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Mapframe

I like mapframe and I looked at you added it in several articles recently. I have one issue with it that it should have smaller markers like points. Can we do that? Is there any way we can display labels as well? You recently changed map on Jainism but former map looked better and understandable with all label of places. Can we link articles in those labels? I look forward to change mapframe in other articles if it can be done. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC) Nizil (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: The marker size can be adjusted using "marker-size": "small". The articles are already linked in the labels, but the labels aren't displayed until one clicks on the marker symbol. I'm not sure if there is a way to display the labels by default: you can try asking at mw:Help talk:Extension:Kartographer.

By the way, feel free to restore the old map, if you think it's better. utcursch | talk 17:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Changes on page titled Rohilla

Hey you always reverts my changes made on Rohilla page...please give me the list of acceptable resources...so I can provide any one of them to prove my self right. Thanks Jatinrohillarajput Jatinrohillarajput (talk) 07:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jatinrohillarajput: Scholarly books, journal articles, newspapers etc. are acceptable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources for details. utcursch | talk 02:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Query

Hi Utcursch. Could you contact the Arbitration Committee by email at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org when you're able to? Thank you. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Just did. utcursch | talk 02:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Protect

please protect vandalism of Anbumani Ramadoss page .. . Gowtham Sampath (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC) unt

Done. FYI: You can request page protections at WP:RfPP -- several admins have that page on their watchlist. utcursch | talk 13:42, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Possible abuse using multiple accounts

Hi Admin,

Recently there has been a lot of vandalism by multiple new accounts in article Kulottunga I. It is possible that the same user is abusing multiple accounts namely user:Raghu_kp6667, user:VEERA_RAVI767665 and user:Sekkizhaar76777 as they are all posting the same edits. I have raised a request for semi-protection but meanwhile is it possible for you to block them? Thanks Nittavinoda (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nittavinoda: I've added the page to my watchlist. If you think these are socks, you can request an investigation at WP:SPI. utcursch | talk 17:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've raised a request for to check for sockpuppets. Nittavinoda (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Malusare

Dear Utcursch, Please can you look at the Malusare page. It seems to be mostly WP:OR. Thanks, Acharya63 (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I see you've already tagged it -- feel free to remove any unsourced content per WP:BURDEN. utcursch | talk 00:38, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Ashoka Rise to Power

Reputed Historians may be but that does not mean their finding are right. More than that read his book properly before telling me what is what. Here we are talking about history, history is not assumption, its fact. And if there si no fact you can't anything you want just simply someone says so. They clearly written, the pattern of the sites of edicts of Ashoka shows in the map, which does not show which part is under his control and which not. There are many historians and many interpretation, but accepted which is fact based. And their research does not have any facts behind them, they simply assumed and biggest false in their words is about "the tribal areas" shown in the map, this is the Orissa, the final battle Ashoka of Kalinga took place which si conquered which is a fact as if you come to India go and read the EDICT 13 of Ashoka, you will find this written "Directly after the Kalingas had been annexed began His Sacred Majesty’s zealous protection of the Law of Piety, his love of that Law, and his inculcation of that Law. Thence arises the remorse of His Sacred Majesty for having conquered the Kalingas, because the conquest of a country previously unconquered involves the slaughter, death, and carrying away captive of the people. That is a matter of profound sorrow and regret to His Sacred Majesty", so how come this area is not part of his empire, it was not a tribal state at all, there was king at that time. Again, when they were discussing the power rank of his minsiter of different part, they get anomaly in Kalinga which itself shows they proved that their assumption are wrong. This is not my personal view. I have enough logic before editingand removing. I hope you understand, we don't have to believe anything and everything whoever he or she can be, but by facts and stats. And those historians can be reputed but they can be wrong. So you must change your edit and yes if you keep the same than add links as you said many other people doubted these border. or I am going to edit again. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dey subrata (talk • contribs)

@Dey subrata: This is better discussed at Talk:Ashoka. The other map is also based on assumptions, and these assumptions have been challenged by recent scholarship. For example, see Perspectives from Archaeology and History: "Early scholarship and more recent political claims concerning the Mauryas have portrayed the empire as a highly centralized and homogeneous polity that unified a vast region into a single monolithic imperial state. However, some more recent scholarship has emphasized the discontinuous geography of the empire and the internal variability in its administration (Fig. 6.2; e.g., Thapar 1987, 1997; Fussman 1988; though see Chakrabarti 1997: 203-6 for an opposing view). In particular, Mauryan territories in the Deccan and south India appear to have been quite limited, restricted to areas near important mineral resources, especially gold sources along the Tungabhadra River and in the Kolar region of south India. Asokan inscriptions are rare in the western and eastern Deccan areas..". utcursch | talk 18:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Khalji

To Utcursch.

As you stated about sources, here is i think "The most important source" we simply cannot look over it. It is "Tarikh Yamini" which is written way before khalji dynesty. In that khiljis are (EXPLICITLY) mentioned as Afghans. Now i dont request taking of turko afghan to afghan. All i am saying is the article needs to be a little less biased, like deleting (wrongly) etc. Thank you. https://archive.org/details/kitabiyaminihis00reyngoog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:E411:A483:8D3E:92F6 (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

See Talk:Khalji dynasty#Khalaj. utcursch | talk 18:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

pawar surname

Hello Sir, With due respect, I would like to apologize that I had changed the sentence in Wikipedia page of Pawar surname earlier. But I would also like to share that families with Pawar as their surname that claim to be Rajput hail from North Indian states like Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand as well. So mentioning the fact that Pawar surname is found among only Maratha clans that claim to be Rajput along with Punjabis and Jatts and Nepal is quite misleading. I believe since Rajput caste is all over the India, there must be families with Pawar surname from other states too. Please take notice and add some more well researched facts in Wikipedia page of Pawar surname. Thank you. Spawar1110 (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Spawar1110: Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability: if you have a reliable source that states that the surname is found among other regions / groups, feel free to add it to the article. utcursch | talk 14:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Udit Narayan

Hi. Please take a look at the Udit Narayan page. Thanks. — Jakichandan (talk) 05:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Will keep a watch. utcursch | talk 14:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much. — Jakichandan (talk) 15:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: It needs a watch once again as an IP is editing disruptively, not even answering to the warning I posted on their talk page a few days ago. Thanks. —Jakichandan (talk) 09:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jakichandan: The page is on my watchlist. Drop a note at WP:AN/EW if the anon persists. utcursch | talk 14:44, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Udit Narayan was born in Nepal and citizen of Nepal also worked for Radio Nepal in Kathmandu before going Bombay now Mumbai in 1978 and started working there as a playback singer since 1980s. https://www.culturalindia.net/indian-music/indian-singers/udit-narayan.html nm2135 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nm2135: Please see the reply at Talk:Udit Narayan#Birthplace. utcursch | talk 14:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible conflicting information

Hi Utcursch, I was wondering if you could help. There has been some vandalism in the past on the article about Arvind Singh Mewar which is why I watchlisted it. Recently there seems to have been some back and forth whether or not he is the 76th custodian of the House of Mewar or if it's his brother Mahendra Singh Mewar. There are sources for both and this appears to be a long running dispute which ended up in court (apparently). I haven't been able to find any conclusion. If you have any starting points that help solve this, this may be good as I have a feeling the real-life controversy finds itself on WP. I suspect some recent sources may not be available in English. Many thanks. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 12:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jake Brockman: I wasn't able to find anything definitive on this -- consider dropping a note at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 16:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try and reach out to IND as well. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 16:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Moving KOCE-TV

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to KOCE-TV, without good reason. They need to have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I had moved the article as per an OTRS request. Your note on the article's talk page explains the current title. utcursch | talk 03:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Ram Pyari

Hi

Hope you are doing good.

She was one of lady leader like jhasi ki rani..

Her sacrifies should be included in wiki..

At last its up to your dicision.. hoping for good..

Thank you Gewin007 16:55, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gewingewin: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ram Pyari Gurjar (The Lady Chieftain). The Rani of Jhansi was a historical person, Ram Pyari is not. Even as a mythical/legendary character, Ram Pyari is not mentioned in reliable sources, and therefore, not notable for Wikipedia. utcursch | talk 17:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

You may refrr to her contribution over World Heritage Encyclopedia.. the same is written there Gewin007 17:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Gutenburg Gewin007 17:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gewingewin: The World Heritage Encyclopedia copies content from Wikipedia, and is not a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Vwxyz#World Heritage Encyclopedia. utcursch | talk 17:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Rani ki jhasi was a queen.. hence she came into highlight.. and rampyari was not the queen.. i think that is the entire drawback Gewin007 17:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

They are copying from wiki and not reliable !! :-) :-) Gewin007 17:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Its make me laugh Gewin007 17:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

And the writers of the 2 books are not family members of her.. or from india..

They wrote a book because its history.. and not writing books over common persons like me or millions of others Gewin007 17:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Finally,its your decision.. thxx Gewin007 17:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gewingewin: The "books" that you're referring to are simply copies of Wikipedia articles. See OmniScriptum#Wikipedia content and Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Vwxyz#VSD. An article on Ram Pyari once existed on Wikipedia, but was deleted as hoax: these books simply copied content from the now-deleted article.

Please have a look at WP:RS and WP:MIRROR to understand why these are not considered reliable sources. I recommend going through Wikipedia tutorial if you haven't already done that. utcursch | talk 17:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Talk page query

Hi, I was just browsing this talk page and found that at the bottom of this page it is written that "Catagories - wikipedia sockpuppeteers, suspected wikipedia sockpuppets of Raghu kp6667 ... I Am unable to understand this... Why its written here? i don't think you are, or have ever been a sockpuppet then why this tag on talk page?can you please tell me? --Thanks --Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: These categories were appearing because of incorrect linking -- I just fixed that. Thanks for poining out. utcursch | talk 17:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

		The Detective Barnstar
		For finding out that Ram Pyari is a hoax. Either you corroborated the sources for which you deserve this barnstar, or you already know them in which case you deserve this or some sort of memory barnstar. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Bharata (emperor)

Hi, I saw that you created the page Bharata (emperor) to redirect it to Bharata (Mahabharata) but then later changed the target to Bharat#People. Any reason for the change? I think the original target was fine as there is only one emperor known by the name of Bharata (the one in Mahabharata). Gotitbro (talk) 16:39, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: As discussed at Talk:Bharata (Mahabharata), the reason for the move was that Bharata Chakravartin was also an emperor. utcursch | talk 16:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Oh, makes sense, thanks for letting me know. I was looking at the Talk page of Bharat so I didn't find the discussion. Gotitbro (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Reddy dynasty

Hi Utcursch, you seem to have duplicated content here. Can you reset it? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. utcursch | talk 18:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

United Bengal/ Greater Bangladesh- Irredentism or not1!?

It seems for some Bangladeshi editors United Bengal is a failed reality and Greater Bangladesh is just a conspiracy theory backed in India but I can see both on Irredentism article! Those concept are simply Irredentism above any reality and near possibility!? one bengaldeshi user have such Wikipedia:Ownership of content attitude and constatntly changing and removing Irredentism parts from both article and Template:Irredentism with trite explenation here Template talk:Irredentism. I think the Articles or Template need mature and nonPOV update. Pls do care! —2A0A:A540:B915:0:946D:CE6E:B3D6:1A9F (talk) 10:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

KUNWAR GAURAV SINGH KALYANWAT

Blocked indefinitely. Clearly not going to engage in dialogue or change. Doug Weller talk 18:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

'Princely state' versus 'Former state'

Hi there - I have started a discussion on the talk page for Udaipur State about the use of 'princely state' versus 'former state'. Since I am genuinely looking for feedback (rather than taking silence for agreement), sending this heads-up to a couple of editors with interest in that article, yourself and Sitush. Your thoughts will be appreciated. Deccantrap (talk) 02:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I am barely editing at present, sorry. I do think there is a difference but my brain is too fuzzy to explain it. - Sitush (talk) 06:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Continuing the discussion at Talk:Udaipur State#'Princely state' versus 'Former state'. utcursch | talk 13:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Ethnic groups of Delhi

Jats constitutes 5%-6% , population of Delhi , you are saying its 10% please provide a reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abc1019 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Abc1019: The source was already present in the article, along with an attribution ("According to ..."). You removed the source, as well as attribution. utcursch | talk 13:55, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Biased behavior in Bakhtiar Khalji page

Why are you deleting primary references from Buddhist sources which shows a different and actually rooted history than that of your preached Hindutva narrative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebong abd (talk • contribs) 04:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

As mentioned at Talk:Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji#"Savioiur of Buddhists", your additions are not supported by the references. utcursch | talk 13:01, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Shiv Jayanti

Hi, I'm Anbans 585. Utcursch, thanks for creating Shiv Jayanti!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Hey Utcursch! Thanks for creating the page, though it will be very helpful if you would be able to add some extra citations, and information to the page. Like how the festival is celebrated and its importance etc.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Anbans 585 (talk) 11:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Rsd95: This message is meant for you. utcursch | talk 13:39, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Renaming Annamalaiyar Temple

Hi Utcursch, I had requested a move of the page Annamalaiyar Temple to Arunachalesvara Temple. Request your suggestion on this at [6] aggi007 (talk) 06:55, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not knowledgeable on this topic: consider dropping a note at WT:IN. utcursch | talk 15:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Dating the Tirukkural

Hi Utcursch. In Dating the Tirukkural, under the "Historical dating" section, you've tagged citation 8 as a primary source. Here, Seneca the Younger is the primary source for he is the one who writes about the Tirukkural in his works. François Valentijn mentions this in his work Description of Ceylon (1724–26) and hence it is the secondary source. Perhaps it should have been worded thus: "For instance, Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65) has been recorded as mentioning the Tirukkural in his works by the French scholar François Valentijn in "Description of Ceylon (1724–26)", indicating that Valluvar must have lived during or before Seneca the Younger's time." Please suggest. I couldn't find any tertiary source for François Valentijn. Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Rasnaboy: The claim made in the article is that 'according to François Valentijn, Seneca the Younger mentions Tirukkural; this indicates that the author of Tirukkural lived during or before Seneca's time.'

The source is a supposed quote from François Valentijn: "Tiriwalluwir. One of their best prayer books, composed in clear and concise verses by Thiruwalluwer. Those who can read and understand him, can also understand the most difficult poets. This writer, according to the writings of Seneca, lived over 1500 years ago at Mailapore or San Thome"

S. Arasaratnam, the editor, hasn't commented on the accuracy of this quote (or even identified "Seneca" as "Seneca the Younger"). As Arasaratnam notes elsewhere in the same book, Valentijn's writings are not free from factual mistakes and misquotes. A quote from Valentijn is not an acceptable source. Imagine someone using these qutoes from the same book to assert on Wikipedia that the Sinhalese and the Tamils were "wild and unshamed heathens" or that Sanskrit is "the mother of all eastern languages".

p. 51 - "So that one may not have all too low an opinion of the Cingalese and the Malabars [Tamils] living on this island, even though they were such wild and unashamed heathens..."
p. 198 - "And one dreads even the name Cingalese, it is said, as Singa-lese means the blood of a lion in their language, as also in Malay and Sanskrit (the mother of all the eastern languages)."

What is needed is a validation of Valentijn's statement by a secondary source - a WP:HISTRS-compliant work by a modern scholar. utcursch | talk 15:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Query

Hello. I hope this is how u use talk pages?! Anyway...untouchables are called 'avarnas' and 'achhoots', which means outcastes= untouchables. IDK what's so hard to understand about it that u keep @ing me for some reason(I got a notif with ur name). The source is reliable, and I told u that I will add info to it regarding other cultures within a few days so Imma just assume that untouchability is a personal topic for u, coz y would anyone pester another person so much for absolutely minuscule reason. Anyway, I hope i wasn't rude lol and let me construct that article in peace thanks for coming to my ted talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by YourEditorNextDoor (talk • contribs) 17:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Please see the discussion at Talk:Untouchability#Patrick Olivelle's Dharmasutras. utcursch | talk 17:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

a Directi search leads to living person article

It seems the notability or deletion debate was not done in good faith. What to do about this conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.3.16.59 (talk) 09:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

You can try Wikipedia:Deletion review, or create a new article with better sources, keeping WP:NCORP guidelines in mind. utcursch | talk 13:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Forgot Password

Hi Admin,

I forgot my password to my old Account user:Nittavinoda. Could you help move the user and talk pages to my new account as suggested here [7] ? Thanks Nittawinoda (talk) 03:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Do you want your existing pages to be over-written? Alternatively, you can leave the old pages as it is, and just put up a notice at the top. utcursch | talk 19:57, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Please ignore my request. I have put up a notice as you have suggested. Thanks, Nittawinoda (talk) 16:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Kushwaha Caste

Hi Atmaram,

I have read the wikipedia page on Kushwaha caste and found it to be little misinformative. Firstly, you have made a group of four castes in Kushwaha category. Kushwaha surname is not used by Mauryas, Koeris, Muroas or Kacchis. Kushwaha is a different caste. It is a caste of farmers and warriors. Kushwaha marries within their community of Kshtriyas or farmers not in the above mentioned castes that you mention in the page. Others castes are different and each are having different roles in society but Kushwaha altogether is a different caste. We were either land owning farmers or warriors. We used to cultivate our own lands or take help from other people but we were never the peasants. You are ruining our image by saying that we were peasants and comes under stigmatised Shudra Varna. This is blasphemy against our identity. You gave reference to a book by William Pinch. But do you think he really understood the Indian society at the ground level. There is a big NO. If we are Shudra varna then the Brahmins shouldn't come and eat with us. Sit with us or drink with us. But in reality they do sit with us, eat with us and marry with us. Come to Bundelkhand in India where you will see such examples. If you are referring us Shudra based on the economic conditions that we used to face earlier during British time some 100 years back then its ok but what about the economic conditions before that and now after 70 years of Indian Independence. We were a rich community with vast lands with us. But the economic policies of British made us weak. If you think we are stigmatised Shudra varna who grew vegetables and its a bad occupation then why you eat the food grow on our lands by our hands. Its a food grown by a Shudra enriching your blood with noble thoughts that you use on Wikipedia. You have shown us a weak and most backward community in India worse than schedule caste and schedule tribe based on our occupation. Is farming on land is really a bad thing to do for a person to earn a livinghood. We think our lands as our mother and still not leaving our mother despite economic condition that we face in this occupation. Instead of glorifying you are ruining us. Wikiknowcorrect (talk) 10:46, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I've not made any major contributions to that article. You might want to post this at Talk:Kushwaha, but before that, you might want to take a look at WP:V and WP:RS. utcursch | talk 19:59, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

mention the source in detail out here

give the link to the source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.226.208 (talk) 19:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The source is already mentioned in the article, with a JSTOR link. See Talk:Vishwakarma (caste)#42.106/107.x.x's_edits. utcursch | talk 19:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The Jstor link is just an abstract which needs to be subscribed for $ to be able to read it. Where is the direct link to the page?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.226.208 (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

See WP:JSTOR or WP:REX for JSTOR access. Also, you don't need to pay for reading a single article -- just click on "Read Online (Free)". A quote from the JSTOR article is included in the citation. utcursch | talk 20:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

For your knowledge about "Gurjar Pratihar"

Just search in google -

"gurjar samrat mihir bhoj PARK"

And

"gurjar samrat mihir bhoj MARG"

Its in Delhi and Noida that clearly states Gurjar-Prathihar empire relates to Gujjar \ Gurjar tribe only, and the empire king Mihir Bhoj was Gujjar.

work on ground level my dear.

Just writing a book does not create a history. It is mentioned all over the stones and stuff found from the historcal sites.

That is why govt of india / delhi and uttar pradesh Noida made the Park and Marg (Highway) on Gurjar Tribe name.

And stop creating myth or confusion over web, because on ground level it is clear.

If still you have any doubt, then let me know why Indian Govt made that PARK and MARG on Gurjar Tribe name ?? MaverickDelhi (talk) 14:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I replied to an identical message on my talk page. - Sitush (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Gurjara-Pratihara_dynasty#'Gurjara'_is_not_'Gurjar'_or_'Gujjar'?_Yeah_Right!. utcursch | talk 15:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Legendary early Chola kings

Have you seen Legendary early Chola kings before? Any thoughts on it? An anon has claimed that they were actual people not legends (see the article history), in which case the title is wrong. It is difficult to know what it is without sources! - Sitush (talk) 01:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

"Legendary" is a much better word for these. Kind of busy right now, will take a look when I've time. utcursch | talk 00:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Removal of portions from Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji

Hello Utcursch. I an Ghulam Zeeshan, I had removed portion from Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji as they were wrong and biased content stating that Khalji has destroyed Nalanda. Please note, much before the invasion of Bakhtiyar Khalji, Nalanda University had been became ruins because of the in-fights between Hinayana and Mahayana Buddhist sects. However, there was another Mahavihara in Odantapuri (now days Bihar Sharif in Nalanda District) inside the fort of the local king which was partially affected in the battle between the forces of Khalji and the king in 1197-98 AD. The chronicle, Tabaqat-i-Nasiri of Minhaj Al-Siraj Juzjani, which is considered as the historical record of the time, apparently refers to this place and does not even mention the name of Nalanda. Minhaj only speaks of the ransacking of the “fortress of Bihar” (Hisar-i-Bihar). This is the view of many historians and, most importantly, of Sir Jadunath Sarkar, w(History of Bengal, B.R. Publishing Corp., 2003).| talk 18:52, 24, August2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghulam Zeeshan (talk • contribs)

That's why the article states that he is "believed to have" damaged Nalanda (with sources). If you have concerns about the existing phrasing, you might want to drop a note at Talk:Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji. utcursch | talk 04:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Maurya Empire

Hi, the page Maurya Empire seriously lack citations and could use your expertise. Let me know if you can find some time for it. Thanks in advance Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 12:19, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Too busy to take a look at this article right now. Maybe drop a note at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 04:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bundela

Sir I edited that portions because I am a bundela rajput and it's our history so it's a humble request to not remove it from site. My great grandmother told me so. That's why I wrote it. It's a folk talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankurpurnia (talk • contribs) 02:46, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ankurpurnia: Wikipedia has a verifiability policy: all content can be challenged and removed unless backed by a reliable source. Your grandmother is not a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards: a scholarly book or a journal article is. utcursch | talk 02:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

History.

It's a history and folk talk that's why I edited in history part of it. Ankurpurnia (talk) 02:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Hindush

Hi Utcursch, to explain my ping from Talk:Achaemenid conquest of the Indus Valley, a long debate has been raging there between the user Pataliputra (User:पाटलिपुत्र) and me, on that page as well as a dozen related pages like Kabul hoard etc. The specific contention here is the location of the province of Hindush in the Achaemenid empire. Most scholars, as far as I can see, interpret it as Sindh, but there are a few that think it is at or near Taxila. The issue now is how to cover both the possibilities in an WP:NPOV way. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:01, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I have no interest in either proposition (roughly speaking, Sindh or western Punjab), but as long as we balance academic views fairly, there should not be any issue... Your opinion is welcome Utcursch. पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 12:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't have much knowledge of this topic, but will try to see if I can find something when I have time. utcursch | talk 20:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

My opinion? I think all the circumstantial evidence points to Sindh. But the Taxila proponents ask, where are the archaeological remains? Archaeology in Sindh is difficult because the Indus shifted course many times and we just don't know where the ancient sites are. That is why the issue is in a kind of limbo.

The issue is important though. Hindush is where "India" comes from (Greek: Indos). So do "Hindu", "Hindustan", "Hind" and "Hinduism".

Here is a book that probably throws much light on the subject, but I don't have access to it:

Vogelsang, W. J. (1992), The Rise and Organisation of the Achaemenid Empire: The Eastern Iranian Evidence, Brill Academic Pub, ISBN 978-90-04-09682-0

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You are most welcome sir.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Old edits

Following recent action against socks: for the record, it seems that all remaining edits about Khudabadi Sonaras were added in 2011 by Special:Contributions/201.225.88.74. That anon editor's contribution to History of Hyderabad, Sindh [8] was then copied in good faith to Hyderabad, Sindh last year.[9] – Fayenatic London 08:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the change in the Chandel Dynasty

You say that it is Kalanjara instead of Kalinjar, being a person from local of Kalinjar, I agree you that it may be Kalanjara in the history. But how can you claim Chitrakut (where Chitrakoot is right) to be Chittor. Pranishto (talk) 17:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

You're right: Chittor should be removed from the sentence. utcursch | talk 17:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

North Sentinel island

Can I know why you deleted those lines from North sentinel island of Chola dynasity and Maratha empire It is actually true and written in few books. If possible I kindly request you to add those lines again.

Please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naveedneedm (talk • contribs)

@Naveedneedm: The sources cited do not even mention the North Sentinel Island. There is no evidence that the Marathas / Cholas ever landed on this island or controlled it. utcursch | talk 19:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

History of India

would you take a look on the article! the old religion bias was added again there - Bengali renaissance got again POV shaped incorrect name. suddenly some people called it "Hindu renaissance" as like previous attempts with 1 or 2 based ultra radical online links while the main article with correct name are there for a long time —2A0A:A540:EF2C:0:617E:670:3E44:2500 (talk) 12:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

That article has been on on my to-do list for a long time, but I haven't got enough time to take a look at it. Try dropping a note on WT:IND. utcursch | talk 15:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

User Aspenheitz

This user has added a lot of info here in the Narendra Modi citing it has been translated from the article in Gujarati Wikipedia. It seems too much detailed to be in the lead since the same has been covered in the early life section as well. My point is, can article sections be copy-translated-pasted without reliable sources from corresponding articles in other languages since it becomes a problem to verify sources like that.
The user has also added an expand language template on another article here in Edappadi K. Palaniswami. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

This seems to have already been taken care of by another user. utcursch | talk 19:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I saw it now. Sir, is there any 'Set of Rules/Consensus' to follow in this type of a situation? Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Just drop a note on the user's page / the article talk page per WP:BRD. utcursch | talk 19:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Please Edit Udit Narayan article

Please edit the page : Udit Narayan is a Nepalese singer who sings for Bollywood and was born in Bihar, India(according to him ) but on paper he was born in Nepal so its controversial so remove the birth place . ^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] </ref> https://www.justdial.com/entertainment/artist/Udit-Narayan/A964386 </ref> ^[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aominez (talk • contribs) 19:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

This has been discussed at Talk:Udit Narayan. If you have something new to add to the discussion, please post there. utcursch | talk 19:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

References

can you search on google for "Dhruv Rathee" and give me your opinion

I was trying to create this article but some editors says he is not a notable person. Hope you will help. Iamskylord (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@Iamskylord: Try dropping a note at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 05:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Watchlist

Could you please add the following pages to your watchlist? Vandals/uninformed users making changes to them could introduce errors in a significant number of music-related articles.

Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 17:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Done. utcursch | talk 18:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please don't delete sourced contents in Udit Narayan

The contents added are helping the article . Why are you deleting them . I've added reliable sources to them . Please dont remove at will . Aomine9 (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Aomine9: The birthplace / citizenship bit has been discussed at Talk:Udit Narayan several times in the past. Feel free to start a new discussion, if you want to deviate from that consensus. See WP:BRD. utcursch | talk 14:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, if you're referring to quotes like this one, please see WP:NOTQUOTE. utcursch | talk 14:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Okay let the birthplace be as it is but I am adding sourced content so please let me add so that the article improves Aomine9 (talk)

Sure, but please keep WP:RS in mind. utcursch | talk 14:49, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello please don’t removed strong sources from Udit Narayan please!

Please see those citations .. I’ve added because they are all legit information . Don’t edit please ! Aomine9 (talk) 15:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Websites like celebrityborn.com are not "strong sources" - have a look at WP:RS. Also, please continue this discussion at Talk:Udit Narayan#Recent edits by Aomine9, so that other people can contribute to the discussion. utcursch | talk 15:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

http://kathmandupost.ekantipur.com/news/2016-01-25/udit-narayan-to-receive-indias-padma-bhushan.html ... String source here Aomine9 (talk) 15:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

https://www.last.fm/music/Udit+Narayan/+wiki ... sources Aomine9 (talk) 15:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Aomine9: This has been discussed previously on the talk page: please read the discussions there. Nepalese newspaper have claimed that Udit Narayan was born in Nepal, but Udit Narayan himself has denied that. If you want to discuss this all over again, feel free to start a Request for Comment.

By the way, Last.fm wiki (or any user-contributed wiki) is not a reliable source.

And once gain, please continue this discussion at Talk:Udit Narayan#Recent edits by Aomine9, so that others can participate. utcursch | talk 15:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Calming that he was born in Bihar but he is a Nepalese playback singer ! His hometown is Nepal not in India so that must be edited. I am not editing the birth place though! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aomine9 (talk • contribs)

Please present a source which states that his "home town" is in Nepal -- none of the sources added by you state that. The definition of a "hometown" is not "the place where one's father was born". utcursch | talk 15:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Read this !! Here he has clearly told he is from Nepal https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Artistes-have-no-borders-Udit-Narayan-tells-Nepal/articleshow/4037648.cms ... so basically what has happened is Nepalese critised him as how can a Nepalese get a Padma Shri if he is not an Indian. Then he replied he is from Nepal but is currently living in Mumbai for work and gave example of Nelson Mandela , Shah Ruth Khan getting international honours as well . Read it ! AN264 talk) 20:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:SOCK. utcursch | talk 20:29, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Request to block a user

User:thekua user is editing Udit Narayan repeatedly without sourced content please block him . Adding unnecessary content doesn't seem valid to me AN264 (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Take this to WP:ANI, please. Also, have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. utcursch | talk 15:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Jkalaiarasan86 (talk · contribs)

Hello Admin, Jkalaiarasan86 (talk · contribs) has been pushing casteist views on many articles and has been trying to link the Muthuraja community with several unrelated articles. To name a few: [10], [11], [12]. More recently he has been edit warring with me in article Thirumangai Alvar. He claims the personality belongs to Muthuraja community while I've added sources([13]) to explain that the person belongs to Kallar_(caste). I've attempted to reason with him but when asked to support his edits with sources, the user simply resorts to reverting the article to his preferred version. I've tried explaining WP:VERIFY and WP:NEUTRALITY and the need to maintain a neutral version (without any caste name) but he continues to add Muthuraja caste name. How to go about dealing with this? Can you help? Nittawinoda ([[User talk:|talk]]) 05:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello admin,Nittawinoda (talk · contribs) causes the caste violation refer page.[14] Many of the Tamil caste claiming the Rajarja sola is my caste.But this user add caste.There is an causes the caste violation please block the user.Jkalaiarasan86 (talk) 07:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello sir please view history about Thirumangai alvar who is added Mutharaiyar in first not me.But udaiyar caste page add the Rajarja page add this user Nittawinoda (talk · contribs) so please block the user

@Jkalaiarasan86: You might want to go through WP:TUTORIAL first: Unsourced edits like this one are not acceptable.

@Nittawinoda: I have added these pages to my watchlist. You can report problematic behavior to WP:ANI. utcursch | talk 18:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

[1] ttp://southword.thestate.news/current-affairs/2018/03/20/what-google-and-wikipedia-will-not-tell-you-about-the-lingayats

[2] ttps://www.deccanchronicle.com/amp/nation/politics/250318/when-religion-turns-political-who-will-steal-the-thunder-in-the-ling.html

[3] ttps://www.last.fm/music/Udit+Narayan/+wiki

[4] ttps://shikharnews.com/udit-narayan/amp/

[5] ttp://www.edubilla.com/award/padma-bhushan/udit-narayan-jha/

[6] ttp://www.radioandmusic.com/entertainment/editorial/news/udit-narayan-worried-about-family-members-nepal-150427

[7] ttps://m.ranker.com/list/famous-people-from-nepal/reference

[8] ttp://thenewyorkcitypost.com/udit-narayan-the-legend/

[9] ttp://www.filmnepal.com/profile_153.html

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