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The Bugle: Issue CI, August 2014

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Dear colleague, please refrain from incorrect personal accusations you just made. I'm not a "spokesman/woman for the Russian government" and I don't think, that it's appropriate to label someone at all. BTW, I'm not opposed to inclusion that SCB of Crimea has been took over. Probably this variant will work? Seryo93 (talk) 11:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

And moreover, WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". Neither of these sources about takeover (references 4 and 5) explicitly called it a coup. Therefore, while it's pretty good to mention that SCB was captured by armed men, labeling it as a "coup" basing on these sources would violate SYNTH rule. And let me apologize for misunderstanding we had in regard to that deletion [of SCB takeover]. Bests, Seryo93 (talk) 11:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Lwow

I don't mind the spelling therefore you can simply change the American style (to which I am accustomed) to British. I've only tried to standarize the whole article which now uses both the American and British dialect. 85.202.42.2 (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I had not noticed that other editors had also introduced non-European spelling, which I have tried to correct. Thanks for pointing this out.
Regarding the spelling of the names of places, if you want to change this you need to build a consensus. It would be easier to do that if you got yourself a user ID, and made some non-controversial edits. This would also help you to learn the system.
In my view there is a problem with extreme nationalists who want articles to only have their POV. There are extreme Polish nationalists who want to erase the German POV on lands inhabited by both Germans and non-Germans before 1939. There are extreme Zionists who want to erase anything that might affect (however distantly) their claim to the former Crusader kingdoms in the Middle East. There are the Svoboda who delete the names of places used by the current or former native inhabitants of the pre-2014 Ukrainian state - they also sometime edit war over who counts as Ukrainian.
There are also normal people who wish to have some sort of compromise. I know that at least one of the editors who reverted you is a normal person (maybe they all were).
I should also add that just because someone has offensive political beliefs does not make someone a bad person.
A reasonable compromise is for the article first sentence and the infobox to give both names prominently. As you would expect, nationalist extremists object to this.
I should add that there is something called WP:DIGWUREN. Some editors have restrictions on their activities as a result of this.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CII, September 2014

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If possible a small request

pliz for the template *NATO designation for Russian and former Soviet Union missiles* + Surface-to-air missiles complete list 

{{Navbox with collapsible groups

| name = Russian and Soviet missiles|SSM | title = NATO designation for Russian and former Soviet Union missiles | selected = | state = expanded | bodyclass = hlist

| group1 =


You can add this card to to the list of systems on this article (9K333 Verba (Willow) MANPADS)? Surface-to-air missiles complete list + Ground based SA-24 Grinch/Morfey + 9K333_Verba

I have created a draft article, Title taken from the article SA-24 Grinch. And she's standing in line to verify (I'm not asking you to check the article 9K333). http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:9K333_Verba 89.105.158.243 (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not understand why you want me to do this. Is there a reason why you do not create an ID on Wikipedia and do it yourself?-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Please Do Not Revert Talk Pages

Please do not revert my talk page again or I will have to report you for vandalism. WP:OWNTALK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.125.162 (talk) 16:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
When are you going to start signing you own posts? You have been asked several times. It is funny how you can quote rules at other people, but cannot be bothered to follow any yourself.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:24, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
They are signed for me by an autobot.--72.194.125.162 (talk) 20:43, 4 October 2014‎
Posts are meant to be signed by users. You do it --~~~~. Usually your posts have to be signed for you by someone else. Habitually not signing your posts is disruptive. Disruptive users can be blocked.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:29, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Please cite the rule that states not signing is "disruptive". (Here is my signature) 72.194.125.162 (talk)
Please see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:Signatures.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. 72.194.125.162 (talk)
Thank you for adding a signature. Please could you start adding a date too. An easy way to do this is to add --~~~~, which automatically added the signature and date. On my interface there are a line of boxes above the editing area. The tenth one along looks like a signature (it is between the red symbol and the black horizontal line). If you have a similar interface, pressing the box that looks like a signature will add --~~~~, and after you save the page this turns into your dated signature.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you also for removing the attack on User:DaltonHird and me from Talk:Corona del Mar High School.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and I hope the attacks on Corona del Mar High School likewise will be removed from its article. 72.194.125.162 (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
There are no attacks on the school in the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:56, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The lead paragraph in the article states, "It has been described as a school with serious social problems resulting in several high-profile instances of sexism, homophobia, gender-related violence and academic dishonesty." If that's not an attack I don't know what is. 72.194.125.162 (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
In what way is that an attack?-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:01, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Are you kidding again? See the definition of "attack": "to criticize (someone or something) in a very harsh and severe way". Repeating criticisms that the school has "serious social problems resulting in several high-profile instances of sexism, homophobia, gender-related violence and academic dishonesty" constitutes an attack.72.194.125.162 (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
It is not an attack.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Your conclusion is unpersuasive. Under the law of defamation repetition and even hyperlinking is sufficient to incur liability for damages. Repetition of criticisms of the school is no less of an attack than criticizing it directly.72.194.125.162 (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2014 (UTC) And, to be clear, this is not a legal threat. I have no idea what the students mentioned in those articles or their lawyers may or may not do. I am not one of them. 72.194.125.162 (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks sorry I am not wikipedia savvy or wikipedia smart I guess some would call it. I appreciate you helping me out I always have the 4 ~ at the end of my message but it doesnt always show up. Have a good day! Keanderson5385 (talk) 00:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk page

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_of_Uhud&diff=629201371&oldid=629176034

Regarding this edit. You will see i have removed references that he used on talk page as it was effecting the talk page. I think turning a talk page into an article is also a breach of policy--Misconceptions2 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Suggest you read WP:TPO. By the way, you were editing comments made seven years ago.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:14, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I have added a references sub-section to the relevant section of Talk:Battle of Uhud, and also added archiving instructions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CIII, October 2014

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Battle of Trafalgar casualty graphics

Thank you for creating the great graphics on casualty rates by ship, in order of sailing, for the French & Spanish fleet vs. for the British fleet, used in the Battle of Trafalgar article, prominent at main page yesterday. Really great data-intensive graphics work, in spirit of great graphical design!

But see my small questions/requests at Talk:Battle of Trafalgar#great graphics but scaling needed, about possibly rescaling the graphics to be directly comparable to one another. And also about apparent discrepancies between percentages shown in graphic vs. appearing in supporting Order of battle at the Battle of Trafalgar article (which is stated to be source for graphic but doesn't match up exactly). Hope my comments are regarded as helpful in the spirit intended by me. Either way, thanks again for your prominent and great contributions! cheers, --doncram 15:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Русскиe Караимы в опасности

Пока мелочи. Но, по всем признакам, это только начало. -Неполканов (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

The IP is from England - I would guess that it is User:Kaz.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Sure. He calls himself also by some other ridiculous names:
1) Хаджи Kazimir "Joseph" A. Hubert (Хан Стауфер)
2) Мутака́ллим (Гахам/Гахан) Гиббор Хан Стауфер Хаджи Казимир Андреевич
3) זיק הגיבור
He invests a lot energy and probably money for promotion of his obsessive ideas by anyway
Meanwhile his site blocked on Russian Wikipedia. But IMHO it is not the last word -Неполканов (talk) 20:35, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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217.15.154.89 is not me

Nope. 217.15.154.89 and 219.77.53.143 are not the same person. 219.77.53.143 (talk) 09:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Salafi Jihadism

Thanks for your thoughtful input to the move discussion. Its semantics but I was wondering whether you could change your comment to something like:

Support a move but not to Salafism. This would at least keep the topic of a move on line.

Your input has really helped clarify things for me. I have been seeing label descriptions about the place and haven't been able to figure distinction from other terms. I was surprised to find that it was a neologism. What do you think of a merge to jihadism?

GregKaye ✍♪ 04:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

No. There is a jihadist movement amongst Salafis that is worth having an article about. But jihad is an Islamic phenomenon: it is not not restricted to Salafis. It is best to have two articles. In mathematics it is the issue of sets.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion here was related to you RM suggestion of the use of "Jihadist-Salafism" or "Salafist-jihadism". On the issue of sets, do you consider that there are aspects of Salafist jihadism that are not covered under the already broad topic of jihadism?
I was also wondering on the extent to which the Salafi/Salafist movement might be considered to extend to cover extremist groups like ISIL. On its page it is labelled as salafi jihadist. GregKaye ✍♪ 08:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
There is an article on the topic because it is considered [[WP:notable|notable]. However caution is required because there are groups try to demonise Salafis; an analogous case is the way that groups used the media to demonise Jews in the 1920s and 30s. An article on the topic allows allows all aspects of the topic to be covered, to the extent that citations from reliable sources support. An ideal article on Salafist-jihadism would make it clear that only a minority of Salafis were jihadists, in the same way that Jews who are pimps/swindlers/communist revolutionaries are not typical of Jews. The people who claim the reverse are most-likely either self-seeking or are simply ill-informed. [People who do jobs in the administration of law enforcement, secret police, etc. have a financial interest in scaring the public so their agencies get more money (and thus they can have higher pay).] -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Firearms to ukraine

This edit was not a POV edit. It even has it on Ukrainian media--Arbutus the tree (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

source:http://zn.ua/UKRAINE/ukroboronprom-zaklyuchil-sdelku-s-amerikanskoy-barrett-firearms-na-postavku-oruzhiya-161725_.html

  • If your cousin needs an apartment West of Kiev (away from the fighting) and you buy her one, you are supporting her.
  • If you sell your cousin the apartment for a profit, you are not supporting her. It is a big difference.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok then--Arbutus the tree (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please stop possible WP:VAN

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Merry Merry

To you and yours

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The Bugle: Issue CV, December 2014

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TO&E of ADC Co.

Hello,

Thank you for the note. It shows me I need to revisit that article. I have learned since crafting that article that the ADC troops were issued a mixture of M-1 Garands and M1 Carbines. While it was thought the carbine would be better fitted to the short-statured recruits, many of them wanted the Garand for its extra range and power.

As to pallet loading—I am pretty much quoting the source. Just speculating (ORIGINAL RESEARCH WARNING!), I should think one would like weapons and ammo lashed together on the same pallet in case you needed them immediately after landing. For instance, to deal with your enemy, who is trying to chase down those same parachuted weapons.

I will have to mull my mind a bit to recall just where I saw that additional info, so it may be a bit before I revise the article.

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Happy New Year Toddy1!

Happy New Year!

Toddy1,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.
Many thanks - you too.-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Apparently Wikipedia is being edited by Russian reservist psychological warfare officer(s)

A Russian IP editor got blocked for edit-warring to impose his/her personal analyses on an article, so he responds "I am a... reservist psychological warfare officer! No doubt he was only obeying orders, lol.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:19, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for pulling this up. I really needed a good laugh! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

O.Turani

Turkic people is not the only article where O.Turani has been adding unsourced claims that historical figures are of specific ethnicity. They have done the same repeatedly at Uzbeks [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. They eventually mention a source [7] but the source directly contradicts O.Turani's claim, say the Timurids were "rivals and opponents of the Uzbeks".[8] In spite of this, O.Turani continues to add claims that the Timurids were Uzbeks.[9][10][11][12] [13][14] [15] Edward321 (talk) 01:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I have sent him/her an edit-warring notice. Please could you use the article talk page to explain why you keep reverting his/her edits. If you do not, then admins may decide that you are also edit-warring.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for trying to reason with them. I already explained on the Adminstrator's noticeboard, but have now posted on the Uzbecks talk page as well. Edward321 (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
I added his previous warning for edit warring to your report. Edward321 (talk) 17:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
O.Turani promised to edit war forever. [16] I suspect more sock will appear before the two week block expires. Edward321 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Turan22 and O.Turani are the only likely sockmasters for such socks (they have the same POV and probably communicate off-Wiki).-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

And the first sock appears.[17] Already reported at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/O.Turani Edward321 (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Citing news sources

No problem. EkoGraf (talk) 13:29, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Fresh news

He is famous[dead link‍] now . Recently his page was removed from owned by him domain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Неполканов (talk • contribs) 19:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

spasibo.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Feb 2015

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Ialiabbas

Thanks for letting me know about the link to the discussion. I definitely do not mind. Edward321 (talk) 01:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I have reported them atWikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/:Ialiabbas Edward321 (talk) 15:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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NPOV discussion

Please join in the discussion https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#.22Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation.22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Виктор Ш. (talk • contribs) 22:25, 3 March 2015‎

Other people have already answered you there.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Luhansk People's Republic

As you've started an RM where I had an RFC, would you please clearly state your position on the naming issue? As it stands, it isn't clear where you stand, despite the fact that it is your RM. RGloucester — ☎ 02:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

My position is that it should either be a requested move, or it should be dropped.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
It is a requested move, one you started. I have nothing to do with it. It is inappropriate for you to start a requested move and not state your position. Otherwise, I will have to close the request. RGloucester — ☎ 06:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
If you read Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Ending RfCs, you will see that one way RFCs can end is by moving to another dispute resolution forum. That is what I did.
It inappropriate for you to close a requested move because you started the ball rolling by arguing the case for the move - see the closing instructions for requested moves. I am not sure whether requested move will end with no consensus or a move.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm removing the requested move tag, then. I have no involvement in the move. I did not start move. I have no desire to move the article. If you will not justify you placing of a tag in front of my words, then the RM is finished. Please state your opinion on the move, or I shall remove the tag at once. RGloucester — ☎ 16:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Re:Luhansk

Thank you for your comment, but my edit was but an informative addition, which is relevant given the de-facto status. In fact the whole sentence, was copied word for word from the Donetsk article entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.188.125.25 (talk) 09:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Help

I am creating a new article. please help me. — Preceding Abdullah Al Wasif comment added 13:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Salafi Movement (Demographics)

Why did you deleted all the demographic data from the page(Salafi movement).Wahhabism is a synonyms of Salafism (The term is mostly used for the Saudi form of salafism).

Even those who distinguished Wahhabism from salafism called it a type of salafism.Even they did not say that wahhabism is not salafism.They meant that the Wahhabism, that was the old conservative movement in Saudi Arabia, was different from modern Salafism, influenced by the 19th Century Islamic modernists' movement, Qutbism etc.


Ejaz92 (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a policy Wikipedia:No original research. Part of that policy says "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." The sources said Wahhabis. You combined the information from the sources with your belief that they are the same as Salafis to reach a conclusion not explicitly state in the sources.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello and thanks for correcting my English spelling. But You are wrong in who first occupied this city, today's Lviv. In brief - at 1.September 1939 Nazi Germany began to invade Poland. Two days later the UK and France declared war on Nazi Germany. But on 17.September also the Soviet Union invaded the eastern parts of Poland as agreed in the previously secret part of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and at 23.September 1939 Poland surrendered. The USSR assult "in Poland's back" became a very "cheap" conquest for the USSR, as a large majority of the remaining Polish resistance was involved in fighting the nazists in the west. Lwow was a part of "the USSR prey" in eastern Poland - between (around) 17.September 1939 and some day or so after 22.June 1941, when Hitler launched his war against the Soviet Union. But the fact Hitler later fooled Stalin, doesn't change the history of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, in which Germany got most of Poland (as of 1939 borders) and Soviet Union got the most eastern parts of Poland together with the three Baltic nations and Finland. Finland managed though amazingly resist the USSR attack in November 1939. If You simply ment Germany attacked Poland before the Soviet Union also did so, then You are of cource right. Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 22:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I know all this and more: the USSR also got part of Romania thanks to their alliance with Hitler, and substantially helped Germany up to 21 June 41.
All I tried to do was correct your English without changing any of the meaning.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Utter Nonesense

The above description is too vague. It should not be included unless you also include the reasons for such claims. Its also not NPOV because it tries to influence the reader without any arguments. Nasluds (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

The return of Kaz

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.203.252 (talk) 15:07, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

This time it is definitely and undoubtedly Хаджи Kazimir "Joseph" A. Hubert (Хан Стауфер) [dead link‍] himself. On the discussion page above he protects his site arguing with the same nonsense that he wrote about me at owned by him site [dead link‍] Неполканов (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you could explain this at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kaz-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CIX, April 2015

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SPI case

I have no problem with being quoted in the the [SPI case]. However, looking at the case you have raised, you seem to have quoted me out of context. My comment was in connection with a sockpuppetry issue which became [this] SPI case. I believe that I B Wright's comment was for the same sockpuppetry issue as he made reference to the same 4RR revert.

I therefore have to point out that you seem to have raised an SPI case against Kaz without any evidence. However, I have taken the liberty of linking the two cases.

I have also requested semi protection of Crimean Karaites. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 13:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CX, May 2015

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Restoration of uncited material

Per wp:burden -- when an article has been tagged as needing refs for two years, and the text has been challenged and deleted - only restore it if you provide inline RS refs. Thank you. --Epeefleche (talk) 07:26, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I do not mind you deleting material, IF you leave the article in a reasonable state. For all I care you can reduce it to a one sentence stub.
Randomly deleting stuff is not useful. Do a proper job, or do nothing.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Follow wp:burden. If you wish to restore the wholly uncited material, in the article the text of which was challenged for that malady over two years ago, which was deleted, the burden is on you to supply inline RS refs. This is clear. You don't get to restore it based on your POV that the deletion is "random." Feel free to delete further uncited material as well if you like. But you are violating wp:v if you, as you did, restore such material without an inline citation. As to me having a job -- that's a misnomer. We are to edit in accord with the guidelines. I am doing so. You are not. Please respect the guidelines, and edit accordingly. Thank you. --Epeefleche (talk) 07:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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WP:P-NUK

Were you aware of this "guideline"? Apparently it was written by only two editors and they are claiming it represents a consensus. --Taivo (talk) 03:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying. My computer broke on 5 July and I only got it back today.
I am aware of the document. It is nationalist propaganda. See Talk:Sievierodonetsk#Requested move 4 February 2015. I have just deleted the false flag claiming consensus.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I helped to draft it indeed but I never claimed it represents consensus. In fact, I do not care how Ukrainian articles are named, I just feel it should be a guideline to avoid move warring. And labeling me a Ukrainian nationalist is, hmm, laughable.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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John Hindmarsh

re John Hindmarsh. Please revert your edit deleting his service on the Victory. He joined the Victory at Chatham following Nelson's letter of 8 April. He served on it until he was promoted Lieutenant on 1 August (off Toulon, according to a letter from Nelson to Emma Hamilton), when he was posted to the Phoebe (ref: From Powder Monkey to Governor). Thank you, Fillthemill (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I would gladly revert as you requested if I had seen a reliable source for this myself. But I have not. It sounds as if you may have done so. Are you able to provide a citation for his joining the Victory to From Powder Monkey to Governorthat includes a page number? If the answer is yes, please could you add a sentence to the text with citation and then amend the info box. If the answer is no, then please wait until you are able to.
The 1st August 1803 letter concerning his promotion can be found here.
Do you have a link to the 8th April letter you referred to?-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. The 8th April letter from Nelson is quoted on p38 of From Powder Monkey to Governor. It reads: "Mr Hindmarsh Midn. to join the Victory at Chatham and present this note to Captain Sutton or the Commanding Officer. Nelson and Bronte, April 8th, 1803." The letter is reproduced on p39. Captain Sutton commanded the ship, which joined Cornwallis and the Grand Fleet off Ushant on 25 April, sailed past Gibraltar on 12 June, arrived at Valetta on 9 July and was taken over by Nelson when it joined the Mediteranean Fleet off Toulon on 30 July. Thanks, Fillthemill (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Weights and Measures in English-speaking Countries

Hi Toddy1

Just a note about weights and measures in predominantly English-speaking countries.

Until the end of the 1960s, English-speaking countries used Imperial or the closely related US Customary measures. Then there was a movement to adopt the metric system. This was largely successful in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the Irish Republic, somewhat less successful in Canada, only partially successful in the UK and largely a failure in the US. To find out more about metrication in various countries, follow this link: [18]. Michael Glass (talk) 00:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

overview

Should I tell interpol that you support extremism?? 216.177.129.181 (talk) 00:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Do not accuse other editors

Accusing other editors now? Your edits have been followed closely. This is your last warning. 216.177.129.202 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Complaint

There is mention of you on the Wikipedia Administrative board/Incidents [19]. Xtremedood (talk) 14:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Dispute Resolution

There is mention of you on the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard, over here [20]. Xtremedood (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

You mean Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Salafi movement. :) -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Quintinshill rail disaster

Why did you completely reverse the whole edit? You referred to better citations, yet I didn't remove any, and you just restored a version that was marked as lacking a citation. And if the issue is the BBC documentary, well, obviously your reaction is out of proportion given that was only one line - and if you want to dispute it, I would argue that if you want to argue the BBC are in the habit of doing poor documentaries, or indeed that there are other better ones out there, I would expect to see some evidence of that. Yandrossss (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

I will deal with this another day. Hasty responses are often unwise in these situations.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I would rather you answered now. I don't intend to keep checking back here, so I would appreciate either a fuller explanation of what you thought was wrong with my version, or an indication that you consider the matter closed. The documentary issue doesn't seem to interest anyone else as being an immediate concern, judging by the lack of response to the note I posted on the talk page, so I'm minded to put that back. I had already put the rest of my version back, since I frankly don't see the point in leaving it out based on this dubious 'better sourced' reasoning - I have checked many times now, and my version only removed one citation (but not the text) - and I've now put that back. And as said above, my version removed the info that was lacking a citation - feel free to add it back if you think it's important ("Pte William Clark of the 1/7th Battalion who died from injuries received aged 24 is buried in the Edinburgh Eastern Cemetery at Drum Terrace"), but I can't see how the location of one soldier's burial is all that important (unless the point of the text was somehow a counterpoint to the claim all soldiers were given a mass burial - in which case I'd say it needs a citation, and a mention in the main article, not just the introduction). I also removed the location of burial of the four children, but only because that doesn't seem important enough for the introduction (it is mentioned in the main article). But if you disagree, I'm happy for it to be reinserted inside my new version. Other than that, I didn't remove anything else, I just rearranged the text to make it flow better and be more understandable to a non-railway educated audience, and to include obvious omissions (it didn't for example say that the main failing of the signalmen was in not remembering there was a local train on the main line). The discrepancy of precise numbers of dead seemed too important to leave to a note, so I incorporated that too, removing the part about how the four children are presumed to be part of the unidentified 50 soldiers - since that is not mentioned in the main article, and was also marked as requiring a citation. Again, if you can find a source, feel free to add it to the main article, and clarify the introduction. Yandrossss (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Hemalatha Lavanam editing

I want to raise a notice to all,the editor has no competent to make the editing the subject of Indian atheist biography.I am member of Wikipedia atheism project raised the issue for the project discussion.he is not aware of the names and sir name of Telugu people.he deleted without giving any reasons despite my request,so I reverted his editing.he has no idea of Indian local names as he is not Indian.

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Saber-toothed cat

I deleted the section in the saber-toothed cat based on the guideline at WP:NOCITE. Also why did you just do a wholesale revert of all of my change even though you where only concern ed with part of my edit. 203.173.186.163 (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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обсуждение

не могли бы вы участвовать эту дискуссию на странице обсуждения "Битва Кербеле"? Спасибо. Mhhossein (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The person who originally placed the tags was User:Edward321 at 17:51, 11 January 2015. He raised concerns about the pro-Hussein and/or anti-Yazid bias in the article at Talk:Battle of Karbala#Talk:Battle of Karbala at 17:49, 11 January 2015. I am baffled that User:Sa.vakilian failed to see "any discussion about the POV and too few opinion tags".-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein:, @Edward321: I would be grateful if you would cast your eyes over Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles/Citing Quran#Citing the Quran for instances when people quoted the Quran-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:52, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

This concern is similar to concern about the World War II against Hitler. I have not seen any pro-Yazid source yet, and adding such viewpoint is completely against WP:UNDUE.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
It may surprise you to learn that in European countries, proper history books explain both sides point of view concerning World War II.
Tabari was a proper historian. His history of the events of Yazid's reign therefore explains both sides point of view. Maybe you could buy it from Amazon and have your eyes opened. Perhaps in your country you can only buy censored versions?-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:31, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Let's continue the discussion on the take page of the article.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:45, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey I noticed your recent edit to Husayn ibn Ali. After you replaced the http by https, some of the links don't work (some of them don't work for me!). Please check them once again. Mhhossein (talk) 07:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. I have fixed it by reverting, and then reinstating the change of Kufah to Kufa. Thank you for telling me of the error I created.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Aisha

There's a SPA adding original research to the article. More eyes would be appreciated. Edward321 (talk) 04:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Be civil please

Please consider striking out the uncivil comment you made here . You can also re-word it calmly and neutrally (the last lines!). Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five pillars --Mhhossein (talk) 13:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

But I have not made any uncivil comment.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
You did. I'm not going to repeat that uncivil comment here. I'm referring to the last lines. Mhhossein (talk) 12:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Watch list

Added the article as per your request. Edward321 (talk) 16:30, 17 May 2015‎ (UTC)

Victoria Nuland and my block

Toddy 1, you must be aware that I have recently been indefinitely blocked for the pictures of Victoria Nuland you placed on my talk page, since I mentioned you multiple times. I must say that I fail to understand why you never intervened to say that I had not asked for these images. Don't you think it was your moral duty to do so? Especially considering that you have nothing to fear? Unlike me, you are not someone that can be thrown into the waste basket for something like this. This has seriously affected me morally, and I hope that you will have the kindness to provide me with an answer. Γνῶθι σεαυτόν (talk) 23:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

  • What a coincidence--I just came by to ask the same question. Actually, no, a different questions, just a simple one--Toddy1, are you aware that what you were doing was considered a serious BLP violation? As to the previous question, yes, one would have expected some solidarity. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

My understanding was that Againstdisinformation was blocked for being WP:NOT HERE. My understanding is that this occurred because of an overall pattern of behaviour. I do not think that it happened because of any one incident. It may have been because of a "straw that broke the camel's back". When I looked at the pattern of edits in late August-early September 2015 on Anna Politkovskaya and the bizarre arguments at Talk:Anna Politkovskaya#Putin's Birthday & the lead, I got the impression of Againstdisinformation was someone who was arguing that black was white. (I noted that Drmies was supporting Againstdisinformation on that occasion.) I do not know whether the indefinite block of Againstdisinformation was the right thing to do. I do not think that it was in any way my doing.

The point that was made by the post containing the photos is that some Wikipedia articles are like adverts for their subjects.

I knew that it was being claimed that my actions had something to do with Againstdisinformation's block was when I kept being alerted that my ID was appearing on his/her talk page. I did not regard the claims as true. It seemed to me that they were just a pretext. I was mildly glad that Againstdisinformation was eventually given an unblock offer. (No doubt Drmies can use his/her admin tools to verify that I thanked Vanjagenije.)

In case you have not understood the phrase "just a pretext". You were not really blocked because you reverted the admin's deletion of something on your talk page. You were blocked because of an overall pattern of behaviour convinced people that you were WP:NOT HERE. Reverting the admin who was disciplining you was not smart; it escalating the situation. It did not matter what the revert was.

I had no awareness whatsoever that using the photos, to make the point that Wikipedia articles sometimes look like adverts, was a breach of BLP rules.

As for intervening, I asked myself some questions:

  • Was Againstdisinformation WP:NOT HERE? Yes
  • Was Againstdisinformation's block anything to do with me? No
  • What on earth could I possibly say that would not have made the situation worse? Nothing
  • Do I really want to get into a conflict with admins, where my words will be twisted around to mean whatever suits people's purposes? Not really

-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:21, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I saw your posts at Talk:RT (TV network). "Long live Animal Farm... Napoleon is always right.".-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Toddy 1, the reason given by the blocking administrator for justifying my block was :
"OK, we've explained our policies on living people, and you very clearly don't give a damn. Game over. I have blocked you and revoked talk page access to prevent you reinstating the pictures."Guy (Help!) 09:33, 6 October 2015 (UTC).
Was he lying, then? You claim that the real reason for my block was "an overall pattern of behaviour" and you cite my "bizarre arguments at Talk:Anna Politkovskaya#Putin's Birthday & the lead", which gave you the impression that "Againstdisinformation was someone who was arguing that black was white". Do you therefore think that BMK and Drmies, who apparently shared my lunacy, should have also been indefinitely blocked? Do you sincerely think that it would not have helped me if you had stated publicly that you placed the contentious images on my talk page without my consent, or even my knowledge? Did you not feel for one moment that you had a moral duty to do so? Why did your friends My very best wishes, who constantly claims to be extremely busy, and Iryna Harpy, with whom you co-edited against me on such an uncontroversial matter as the spelling of Edme-Antoine Durand, spend so much time and effort to keep me blocked? To the soul wrenching question that you asked yourself: "Is Againstdisinformation WP:NOT HERE?" you answered emphatically Yes. Apart from Drmies and SageRad, who stood up bravely for my defence, all editors to whom I asked the essential question: "Why was Toddy1 never asked even a single question about the images? remained silent. After this, I can't help feeling more and more that I have fallen naively into a trap. To the question: "Is Toddy1 WP:NOT HERE?", sadly, it is hard for me not to answer: she is probably where she belongs. I bear you no grudge, but I have lost many illusions. Γνῶθι σεαυτόν (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
The claims of improper collaboration by Γνῶθι σεαυτόν here ("Why did your friends My very best wishes, who constantly claims to be extremely busy, and Iryna Harpy, with whom you co-edited against me") are completely wrong and a violation of his unblock conditions. For example, I remember interacting with Toddy1 on only two pages (probably were more), and in both cases we happened to disagree. My very best wishes (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, I never said anything about your interactions with Toddy1, I am just mentioning to her that she collaborated with Iryna Harpy in opposing me on an article, of which I sincerely doubt they would even have known the existence, had I not edited it. Had I wanted to accuse you of hounding me, I would have chosen a much better example, but I am not interested. However, you stated on my talk page that there was no need to unblock me temporarily to answer accusations leveled against me (by you, among others, but chiefly by you), arguing that other editors would surely post my comments for me. I then aked you if you were ready to do it yourself, and you agreed. The first time I asked you to post a message on AN for me you immediately declined, saying that "In this message you blame another contributor of BLP violation. I do not want to be involved in this at all, especially since I have seen personal information posted by this contributor on-wiki about herself". I therefore assumed that you were friends, and this can in no way be construed as an accusation. Now, after all your efforts to keep me blocked, you argue that alluding to this friendship constitutes in itself a violation of my unblock conditions, no doubt with the hope of seeing me blocked again. Why are you doing all this? Can one really believe that it is out of a sincere and selfless dedication to the Wikipedia project? I firmly believe that I have the right to know why I ended up being indefinitely blocked for a BLP violation I never had the slightest intention of committing in the fist place. Seeing that this accusation rests on nothing, Iryna Harpy, like Toddy1 say that it was not in fact the real reason, the real reason being that I am WP:NOT HERE. A very vague accusation that conveniently frees the accuser from the burden of proof (like in good old Salem, he is a witch!). Γνῶθι σεαυτόν (talk) 21:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Toddy1, I need you to answer me directly, without interference by My very best wishes. It has nothing to do with Wikipedia, it is between you and me as human beings. Your first edits on my talkpage led me into believing that somehow you did not dislike me altogether. Why did you never say a word to help me? Was it really a trap, as was suggested on AN by an editor who concluded I was a fool? Γνῶθι σεαυτόν (talk) 21:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
This is all melodrama. Nobody has trapped you. Nobody hates you. Nobody even dislikes you. I have already answered your questions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:35, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Without getting into anything else, as someone who happened to see the unblock discussion at ANI and then went from curiosity (partly because of the very interesting former username that former AgainstDisinformation was forced to change) i saw very good editing, and i saw rather good behavior on the talk pages. I am very convinced by all the evidence i've seen at article talk pages and edits to content, that former AgainstDisinformation is definitely WP:HERE. Their arguments are coherent and on topic and generally not causing drama except in responding to drama levied against them. Γνῶθι σεαυτόν is WP:HERE from everything i have seen in their edit history in the article talk pages and content edits. SageRad (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh no. His comments above, such as Why did your friends My very best wishes, who constantly claims to be extremely busy, and Iryna Harpy, with whom you co-edited against me on such an uncontroversial matter as the spelling of Edme-Antoine Durand, spend so much time and effort to keep me blocked? are inappropriate and I think is a violation of his unblocking conditions. My very best wishes (talk) 16:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
May be you should look better.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Γνῶθι σεαυτόν: You're use of the term 'friends' is very pointed. I hope you do realise that you appear to be stuck in a 'cabal' rut that can be easily be demonstrated to be false if I could be bothered dredging through a few years worth of thousands of edits where MVBW and Toddy1 have disagreed somewhat vehemently on issues, yet maintained collegial and civil relationships. That's what happens when editors who are WP:HERE interact. I've also worked collaboratively with editors I usually disagree with, as well as editors I sometimes agree with wholeheartedly and, conversely, sometimes disagree with wholeheartedly. In as much as is humanly possible, editors try to discuss content disagreements in a constructive manner in order to improve articles without allowing themselves to get disagreeably emotionally invested (but, yes, heated bickering occurs). You're investing too much of your energies in raking over the same ground as to who got you into hot water... It was you who got yourself into trouble. The sooner you move on and start editing without lugging around your "but I was railroaded" mentality with you, the sooner you'll be able to prove yourself to be the good editor you have the potential to be. If you've learnt nothing from the experience of being blocked, nor recognised your own culpability, you're just going repeat the same errors in judgement. Don't dwell: just get on with the job of editing. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Given that Molière was prominently mentioned, this story does remind me one of his famous plays, or in Russian tradition, the story about Foma Fomich. While watching the latter play by Dostoevsky, I thought about Yegor Ilyich: why did not he deny recognition? My very best wishes (talk) 16:27, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Advice Requested

At Talk:Aisha there is an IP, 5.107.81.9 who started editing 11/26 and has only edited that talk page.[21] They are clearly a SPA, but when I add that tag they repeatedly remove it.[22] [23] [24][25] [26] [27] [28] [29] Their edit summaries claim to cite Template:Spa, but I don't see anything in the template that matches what they claim to quote. Any suggestions? Edward321 (talk) 03:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I think that he/she is entitled to remove it.
Look at [30]. What was the real purpose of this account?-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
It does look suspicious; the IP began editing 11/26 and has only edited the talk page to support Mysyati. There's also a user who started editing the day before Msayati began started editing the Aisha and clearly supports Msayati.[31] [32] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward321 (talk • contribs) 00:42, 29 November 2015‎

December 2015

Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Battle of Karbala. Your edits have been or will be reverted or removed.

Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. to be precise, insisting on retention of biased content. DGG ( talk ) 01:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Husayn ibn Ali has been changed by Toddy1

Toddy, why have you reverted all my changes? --Maryanne.al (talk}09:36, 6 December 2015‎ (UTC)

Your edit was clearly done by cut and paste from another article. It had rubbish like this:
because according to that treaty, authority was for Imam Hassan after Muawiya,[15][16][17][18][19] and if an accident occurred, authority had to go to Imam Hussain,[20] and Muawiya had no right to entrust authority to anyone[14][21][22]Hasan–Muawiya treaty
I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Also please experiment in a sandbox - like User talk:Maryanne.al/Sandbox1. You need to learn how to make edits - you are trying to do things that require skills that you can learn by experimenting in a sandbox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Only a small part was copied, and that's because, as you said, I wasn't familiar with the referencing. But the other ones are okay, and you reverted them all without bothering to see if all of the changes needed revision. I will read on to see how to edit correctly, But as they say in Wiki the rules are not "carved in stone", so I suggest you calm down and stop using words like "Rubbish".Maryanne.al (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I tried to be kind and helpful. I explained the problem in the edit summary. You indicated that you did not understand why I reverted, so I explained. I did not say anything negative about you. I told you about the most serious problem. It seemed a good idea to use simple language.
Please do not tell me to calm down. That is not a nice thing to do to someone who took the trouble to help you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

You commented at:

Talk:Tor (disambiguation). Please see Talk:Tor#Requested_move_10_December_2015 In ictu oculi (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Move logs

Thanks for finding the move from Tor to Tor (rock formation). Could you help me find out why I couldn't see it in the page's move log? I clicked on "View logs for this page" from the page history and I see "No matching items in log" for both "All public logs" [33] and "Move log" [34]. Is it possible to find when the article was moved from the move log page?--Wikimedes (talk) 20:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Because you were looking for the wrong thing.
-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
That would do it. Thanks again. (I incorrectly thought that "target" meant the destination of the move.)--Wikimedes (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


Islam Talk Page

Sorry to bother, I think the Islam article has a lot of poor editing put in by anyone with an axe to grind and needs a lot of cleaning up. I am trying to do that but am in a little trouble by editors who get scared by the red negative sign of the history page showing net negative reduction in the article and so restore to previous versions. If you do not mind, could we get your input on the talk page since you seem to be involved with the article before? Sodicadl (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

I have had a look at this, and responded on the talk page. YOu need to explain very carefully the deletions you propose. It would also be helpful if you explained the various moves of paragraphs/sections, and the retitling of a section. I suggest that all further discussion is on the article talk page.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Dnepropetrovsk revert

What is your problem??? What is Svoboda has anything to do with this? We ARE writing in Engish Wikipedia, NOT in Svoboda publication. There is convention which I mentioned for my revert and it have nothing to do with Svoboda publications. Why do not you familiarize yourself with it. We can talk about, instead of calling each other names. Would not it more constructive way to deal with it? Wikipedia is not your personal webpage either to lay claim on it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Your interpretation of the Ukrainian naming guideline is false, User:Aleksandr Grigoryev. The guideline is for the article title and the text of the article, not the infobox, which is subject to long-standing Wikipedia consensus, and the first sentence. --Taivo (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, first of all I was talking with Toddy1. Second of all, there was no need for insult accusing me in trolling for Svoboda. Third of all, in the article Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Ukrainian places) in the General guidelines paragraph it clearly states not to use transliterations derived from the Russian language. Now, how is that me trolling for Svoboda, I have no clue. I only want a civil explanation for Toddy1's actions and how we can find consensus. About infoboxes, articles on Ukrainian cities are the only article in Wikipedia that has sometimes up to four names in infoboxes. There are no articles for other cities in the world with so many names for city in a infobox. I was not able to find a single city in Wikipedia outside of Ukraine with that issue. The article Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Ukrainian places) does not really specify whether it excludes the naming convention for infoboxes. So, would it be difficult for you, Taivo, to provide me with the article on the "long-standing Wikipedia consensus"? Nonetheless, I still do not get why Toddy1 accuses me in trolling for Svoboda. It sounds like Toddy1 has some personal issues with that particular political party. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, why do not you look at the article Moscow. Do you in the inforbox notice name Moskva?? You will not see it. It is normal article. I am being sarcastic, but it seems that all Ukrainian city articles simply must have names in foreign languages in infobox otherwise the article will look like Svoboda publication. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Read WP:OTHERSTUFF, User:Aleksandr Grigoryev. What happens at Moscow is utterly irrelevant since Russian is the only major language of that city. In Ukraine, there is a significant Russian-speaking population throughout the country and the Russian versions of the names of most of these cities are more commonly found in English language literature than the Ukrainian ones. While the naming conventions are clear for the text of the articles and for the titles of the articles, the infobox and the first sentence of these articles are there to help English readers to correctly identify these towns whether they are reading 21st century texts, which have a 50/50 chance of using the Ukrainian or Russian versions, or 20th century texts, which have a nearly 100% chance of using the Russian versions. We're here not to push Ukrainian nationalism, but to be helpful to English-speaking readers. Removing the Russian variants just because you hate Russians is not helpful and violates Wikipedia's purpose to be informative. After all, the only place where the variants are being used is in the infobox and the first sentence. --Taivo (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
This consensus on the use of Russian alternatives in the infoboxes dates back to about 2007 or 2008. At that time there were several edit wars going on at articles like Odessa and Rivne and Mykolaiv and Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk. The edit wars involved not just the name used throughout the text of the articles, but also the article names themselves. The consensus that developed over the span of several articles was that the articles, except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl should be at the Ukrainian name, but that the Russian variant should be in the infobox and the first sentence. That consensus has been very stable since then. The fundamental basis for the consensus was precisely what I stated in my preceding comment--English-speaking readers are more likely to encounter the Russian variants in their English-language reading than the Ukrainian ones. Therefore it's important that they are able to quickly and clearly see (via the infobox and the first sentence) that they have landed at the right place in Wikipedia even though the name of the article doesn't match the name they might have been searching for. I well remember in 2007 when I learned that I was going to be teaching English in Rivne for a year. I spent days on the internet and couldn't find anything about the place. Finally, a friend told me to search for "Rovno" instead of Rivne and there it was--everything I needed to know. We're here to help our readers, not hinder them for the sake of national pride. --Taivo (talk) 04:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
One final thought concerning the irrelevance of Moscow to this issue. A man was born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, he grew up in Czechoslovakia, he married in Hungary, he worked in the Soviet Union, he died in Ukraine, but he never left his village in Transcarpathia. This is not the history of Moscow. That's why using both Russian names and Ukrainian names is important (and in the west, in some cases, the Polish names). It's because these cities changed hands often during the 20th century. Before 1940, one only found Równe; from 1940 to 2000, one only found Rovno; after 2000 one finds both Rivne and Rovno. That's a problem that most cities don't have. --Taivo (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
And remember, WP:P-NUK specifically states that it is neither a policy nor a guideline. It is informational only. It carries no actual force. --Taivo (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Nobody calls Moscow "Moskva" in English.
Dnepropetrovsk, Rovno, and Cherkassy are all normal English-language spellings of their respective city names. Ukrainian nationalist extremists insist that English-language spellings should be deleted and replaced by spellings that are transliterations from the Ukrainian-language. Both normal English-language spellings should be used in the infobox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
TaivoLinguist, why do you think I hate Russians???? How did you get to that conclusion?? I speak Russian even with my Ukrainian friends? My dad is native Russian and always spoke Russian even with mom who speaks Ukrainian. I am Russophone Ukrainian. Can't you tell by my last name that I have Russian roots? I am third generations of Russians in Ukraine. How can I hate Russians? Toddy1, your claim that Ukrainian nationalist extremists insist on something is false. Just because Ukrainian person insist on something it does not make him or her nationalist extremist. You are being groundlessly hysterical. Let's change all names for Ukrainian cities to Russian than. Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk, Chernovtsy and so on.... Is that what you want? What are you trying to say, Toddy1? Taivo, could you please not throw Wikipedia policies at people without explaining reason for it such as otherstuff? I presented example with Moscow as an example. I do apologize if that came out anything else than that. Why don't you pick any cities on Wikipedia and let's review that article together including infobox. Taivo, in any article on whatever city in the infobox you will find English name for the city and the native name of the city (not transliterated). When you open any article about Ukrainian city, you will find beside English name all kinds of names. Russian city of Belgorod was part of Ukraine at one time, but you wont find its Ukrainian name variation for it. Polish city of Przemysl was part of Ukraine as well, there is no Ukrainian name variation either. There is no Ukrainian variations for such cities like Brest, Taganrog, Mozyr, while all of them were at some point part of Ukraine. Taivo, your example with Rovno is not very convincing. City of Beijing in English even today is known as Peking and it was also known as such until recently. City of Kolkata also was known as Calcutta. The article does contain the information and the name is included in the infobox, but as an alternative name that does not appear on the infobox map. The same goes for Mumbai. Taivo, your claim that Rovno carried its name until 2000 is wrong, the Ukrainian parliament officially adopted the name of Rivne in 1991 when the Soviet Union still existed. I have relatives who live today there since 1960 and they never called their city as Rovno, but rather Rivne and not because they are Ukrainian nationalist extremist as some say, or they hate Russians. Until 2004 there was very little information about Ukraine no matter if you would write the name of its cities in Ukrainian, or Russian, or Polish. We need to find that consensus about cities names and add it to the naming convention to prevent such disagreements surfacing again. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Your histrionics notwithstanding, there is a long-standing consensus concerning Ukrainian city names that we have carefully explained to you. If you want to change the consensus in other countries, go ahead. But we are only talking about the consensus that has been stable for 7-8 years concerning Ukrainian cities. 1) The title of the article is the English form of the Ukrainian name except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl. 2) The infobox and the first sentence includes the English form of the Russian name for most cities in eastern and central Ukraine and some well-known cities in western Ukraine. 3) The Polish names are included for some well-known cities in western Ukraine. 4) Everywhere else, the English form of the Ukrainian name is used (except for Kiev, Odessa, and Chernobyl). You need to read WP:OTHERSTUFF. Basically it states that just because you can find an example of X somewhere else in Wikipedia, that does not override consensus. There is a long-standing consensus concerning these names. And you are rather wrong about the use of "Rovno" versus "Rivne" in English language materials in the early 2000s. I know very well because I was tracking it before I moved there in 2007 and have continued to track it. You are right that the city has always been called "Rivne" in the Ukrainian language and "Rovno" in the Russian language. But this is the English Wikipedia and what is important here, and what I continue to emphasize to you, is the name that occurs in English. English language materials used "Rowne" while it was under Polish control, English language materials used "Rovno" until the early 2000s, and now they tend to use "Rivne" although in histories of WWII it is still referred to as "Rovno" (and occasionally "Rowne"). That's our point here. It is about making the English Wikipedia easy to use for English speakers. --Taivo (talk) 07:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it might be good to write down this consensus somewhere in a concise way. I currently edit a lot of articles on Ukrainian localities mainly adding the population info, and I see that there are POV pushers from both sides (I certainly do not mean Aleksandr Grigoryev, who is a good-faith user) who add info which should not be there are remove info which should be there. Usually a revert with a comment is enough, but sometimes they persist, and for this case there should be a page. I think RGloucester started such a page about a year ago, but it was no concise enough, and if I remember correctly was rejected by the community.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Cossack Hetmanate

Hi Toddy, I would like to know your take on the Cossack Hetmanate article where a user insists to call the it a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire in the infobx, placing WP:UNDUE weight on the Ukrainian-Ottoman relationship, but also cherry-picking the sources to make it look like an Ottoman dependency, when it was more of a military alliance. Thanks,--BoguSlav 20:57, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for consulting me. I have not read the book, and it is rather expensive. Irrespective of whether the information should go in the infobox, cited relevant information from the book in question should go in the history section. If you feel that what the books says is a "point of view", then it would be perfectly OK to also cite sources in the history section giving the other point of view.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Toddy I never cherry-picked anything, in fact adding SPECIFIC reference doesn't imply cherry-picking, it implies detailed references. People will always complain, the first edit as far as I remember was a very bad reference towards the 1655 Cossack vassalge of the Ottoman, Iryna asked me to change it and afterwards I compiled from two books and added the reference per Wikipedia rules, that I have read again which I have violated in the beginning. With his logic, if I added information say a ruler's age in certain battle, I'm cherry-picking. I'm working on the history section which would take me some time, since I'm reading some books to further enhance the page. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
In my opinion, you should add the information to the history section. The information should be put there, irrespective of whether it should go in the infobox or the introductions.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Mr Ivanov, you have cherry-picked it is very easy to prove. In the infobox you are using the book, The European Tributary States of the Ottoman Empire in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries to say that the Cossack Hetmanate was a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire. I will let the book speak for itself to show that the Ottomans did not defend the Cossack land: "Rather than occupying and defending the Cossack land of Doroshenko, the Ottomans directed their thrust further west against Kamianets’, the magnificent fortress that guarded some important routes into both Ukraine and Poland." (Page 145)
According to you, it is fairly obvious that the Hetmanate was a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire. Let's have the book speak for itself again: "So to what degree was Cossack Ukraine an Ottoman entity in this period? Since Islamic-style tribute (harac) was never imposed and scarcely discussed, technically speaking, we cannot call the hetmanate an Ottoman tributary. This is, of course, why we have preferred the term “vassal,” of course not in the original Western medieval sense, but in the sense of the relationship between a subject state and a suzerain, a state in which there are mutual obligations—mainly non-aggression and protection of the subject by the suzerain in exchange for, when needed, military service by the subject on behalf of the suzerain, and possibly rendering tribute."--BoguSlav 22:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Boguslavmandzyuk: Perhaps you could add this to the article (complete with citations)?-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Toddy this guy doesn't know what he is talking about and the more talks the more it seems he is the one cherry-picking, in what universe does he think he lives in
>Mr Ivanov, you have cherry-picked it is very easy to prove. In the infobox you are using the book, The European Tributary States of the Ottoman Empire in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries to say that the Cossack Hetmanate was a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire. I will let the book speak for itself to show that the Ottomans did not defend the Cossack land: "Rather than occupying and defending the Cossack land of Doroshenko, the Ottomans directed their thrust further west against Kamianets’, the magnificent fortress that guarded some important routes into both Ukraine and Poland." (Page 145)
They did the Cossacks in the Polish–Ottoman War (1672–76)
>According to you, it is fairly obvious that the Hetmanate was a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire.
Yes it is obvious based on the agreement in 1655 and the agreement in June 1669, you can ignore it if you want, but as Toddy request we will bring the truth outside.
>Let's have the book speak for itself again: "So to what degree was Cossack Ukraine an Ottoman entity in this period? Since Islamic-style tribute (harac) was never imposed and scarcely discussed, technically speaking, we cannot call the hetmanate an Ottoman tributary. This is, of course, why we have preferred the term “vassal,” of course not in the original Western medieval sense, but in the sense of the relationship between a subject state and a suzerain, a state in which there are mutual obligations—mainly non-aggression and protection of the subject by the suzerain in exchange for, when needed, military service by the subject on behalf of the suzerain, and possibly rendering tribute."
Some Ottoman vassals are not required to pay a tribute like the Crimean Khanate and the Kurdish tribe in Safavid and the Ottoman borders and not once did I call the Cossakcs a tributary. The book prefers to use the word vassal and I have used that. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay. I have begun adding it to the page and this happens. [36].--BoguSlav 04:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe try not to remove the infobox information, you intentionally did that and you knew I will being it back, so why act dumbfounded. Are you looking to good your good boy points here? Alexis Ivanov (talk) 05:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov My editing has nothing to do with you. I'm just expanding the article. It's time for you to get over yourself and your WP:POV. You have also reverted twice. Keep in mind that 3 reverts lead to a block.--BoguSlav 15:20, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Boguslavmandzyuk I love how you act like an innocent little baby, you remove my edits and hide behind "your own edits", can you stop acting like a snake moving and slithering in the grass and man up for once, and stop with accusation that have no grounds, it just shows you how childish you are, if you think I was being POV, please provide your evidence and let's discuss it. Until then better shut your mouth boy. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 23:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov Your name-calling is getting absolutely out of hand. This is considered to be incivility and I would like for you to strikethrough the name-calling and insults in the above comment and in your responses to me in your other comments. We have a legitimate content dispute that we disagree about, but you will not manage to intimidate me with your WP:Personal attacks. If you do not stick to the substance of the issue and don't stop the aggressive, petty attacks, I will be forced to ask for mediation or post this issue on an Administrator's Noticeboard. This isn't the first comment like this, but I hope it is THE LAST.--BoguSlav 03:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Boguslavmandzyuk And your lies and misnfirmations is getting out of hand, did you expect people will treat you civil when you treat them like a garbage , you keep lying and lying, and I made you eat those lies.
>I would like for you to strikethrough the name-calling and insults in the above comment and in your responses to me in your other comments.
And I would like for you to stop lying
>We have a legitimate content dispute that we disagree about, but you will not manage to intimidate me with your WP:Personal attacks
I don't want to intimidate you I want to love you.
>If you do not stick to the substance of the issue and don't stop the aggressive, petty attacks, I will be forced to ask for mediation or post this issue on an Administrator's Noticeboard.
Your intermediations techniques are not working, we are not in middle school anymore, if you want to go and cry somewhere please do, the door is open
>This isn't the first comment like this, but I hope it is THE LAST.
And I hope you learn your lesson about history and stop lying. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hope I'm clearer now

Hi. I've tried to improve my edits as you requested. Have a good 2016 :) Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Spasibo. But the dates of articles are a lot more important than the date you accessed them. But since you took the first step, I completed that bit.[37]-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

New round

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.154.167.98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Неполканов (talk • contribs) 22:56, 7 January 2016‎

He has multiply anonimious clones vandalizing the Karait page . Need admin help. Неполканов (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

You need to make a new WP:SPI report on this sock of Kaz. Why have you not done this?-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
There are going to be problems demonstrating that it is Kaz. This IP sock is using a Tel Aviv IP address.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your effort to solve the problem. Some IMHOs to explain the things :
1) On his personal page he clams to have Israeli citizense.
2) In his "Karaim Insitute" site he onse called himself Yosef (as new Institute Director ). He changed this page significantly after my references here during previous round.He removed the name of the director(now this name is changed to "_") . So we have Yusef Hubert Won Staufer(In Hebrew the same letter used for o,u,v and w) Неполканов (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
It is amazing!He has corected this page right now where he wrote that he has no right to Israeli citizense (If not why you mention Israel at all?). But still possible to see the original version in Google Cache Неполканов (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
It is so good known style of obsessive non-consensus changes of old versions based on RS fakes. It contradicts the WP laws,Why admins do not stop it?Неполканов (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Reverts

I think we need to discuss your "across the board" and unilateral reverts of some of my recent edits. Please bring your issues to Talk:Karait#Disruptive_edits. And what is all this about being a sock of Kaz? Thank you. YuHuw (talk) 06:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016

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Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.--YuHuw (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The user who placed this notice is a sockpuppet of User:Kaz-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I assure you I am not a sockpuppet of User:Kaz but if you do not accept that then I am willing to do whatever it takes to prove that to the Wikimedia Foundatoin if necessary. You have intimidated me so much by your recent accusations and blanket reverts of my recent edits that I am currently afraid to touch any new subjects until you and I can enter into a discussion. If you can put down your weapons for a moment can we start talking please? I can see from your edit history you have made a lot of good contributions to Wikipedia especially on topics related to current affairs in Ukraine. Perhaps you are concerned that my edits are related in some way to the Russian annexation of Crimea? YuHuw (talk) 12:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
lol. You are on holiday in Israel, so I assume that a check-user will show that the account is using a different IP than the ones you used when you were editing in Cardiff.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
No, I am an Israeli. I am willing to produce my ID card to the Wikimedia Foundation Offices if necessary. YuHuw (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I am very disappointed at your comments on User Talk:Warshy. I had thought with your reciprocation of thanks for edits that you were signalling you had moved on from the baseless accusations above from when we first met. If you have a problem with my requests for sources the please comment on the discussion pages rather than canvassing for support to get rid of me by accusing me of being someone's sock-puppet. Do you do this to me because someone blocked an account which belonged to you once? Is it some kind of vent? Come on, we could be spending our time and energy in deep debates on talk pages trying to flesh out sources for obscure topics and bring them into sharper focus rather than waste it with me having to ask you to drop your prejudices against me. Peace. YuHuw (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand I am required to post this here to invite you to join in a dispute resolution discussion Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Karait. Best regards. YuHuw (talk) 08:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Krzyhorse22's edits

Hello, Toddy. Maybe you will be interested to say your opinion at Talk:Mohammed Omar#Unsourced POV pushing by User:Sundostund. I assume you are more experienced in dealing with this user, and in Afghan-related subjects in general. Just to know - I have no intention to enter an edit war with him over this. --Sundostund (talk) 14:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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Toddy how are you these days

Toddy how are you these days --Johnleeds1 (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Fajr decade

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The Bugle: Issue CXIX, February 2016

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User:Kaz

How goes the SPI? 12:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.139.189 (talk)

As you can see from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kaz, nothing much is happening. However, you can help.
Kaz is a typical bully. He kisses up to admins, and kicks down to those he disagrees with.
His behaviour is the same today as it was in 2012. He claims that he is a victim; he claims to be the victim of abuse and says that people harass him. He has adopted the technique of mimicking what other people write - he needs to do this to disguise his personality and writing style. (He lives in Cardiff in Wales, and is a British citizen. The stilted writing style is forced - he pretends that English is a second language - it is done to try to disguise his writing style, to make it more difficult to prove that his current sock-puppet is him.)
Admins bend over backwards for such people; they give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume good faith. The subject he edit wars over is an obscure subject, so the admins do not know when he is lying.
Because he is so abusive, devious and manipulative, nobody much wants to deal with him. Wikipedia policy is that we should try to build a consensus by explaining why his edits are wrong on the article talk page. However, Kaz simply lies, or says that we are not familiar with the sources, or claims that we are being abusive. If you want to do a good deed, next time he reverts someone, use the article talk page to explain why he is wrong to revert, and then revert him. But try not to be the person who reverts him three times in a row (i.e. if you revert him twice, wait for someone else to revert him, before you revert him again). There are some templates on Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace that you might want to use on his talk page when you revert him. (In the past he has always reverted this.) In end the admins will block him. He knows this. You can help make it happen sooner.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
What about this?"
"Does not engage in consensus building:
a. repeatedly disregards other editors' questions or requests for explanations concerning edits or objections to edits;
b. repeatedly disregards other editors' explanations for their edits."
Most of his numerous reverts much more over 3 permitted have the same unacceptable ridiculous explanation "Revert User:Ancientsteppe puppet POV pushing". It is sure cannot be legal argument. Why admins ignore this till now ? Kaz was blocked fast enough for the same behavior... Неполканов (talk) 21:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you completely. You could ask the same question at WP:ANI.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I asked the question as your suggested. Meanwhile without too much success. The 3RR violation without any explanation is ignored there . Could you contribute there ?Неполканов (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Toddy1

I am mostly fine; just getting older, and sometimes wiser. As always I have different ideas on the go, but find I have to prioritise time, so some things take a while to get finished. One of the great things about Wikipedia is that it is mind-expanding. I find I have to order through the mail and read books that would otherwise never have heard of to understand what issues are about. Some things I want to do, I start, but through reading and trying to work out a solution I discover that the problem is more complex than I imagined, and in some cases that it is beyond my present ability to solve. In some cases I discover that the people I firmly believed were wrong, were actually right or partially right.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Toddy1 I have been going through the same process. Its like going on a very long journey. I guess life is also journey too, you learn and try to improve your self and your understanding of the world. Toddy1 I have also gone through thousands of books. I started off in The London School of Oriental and African Studies library and the British Library and I then ended up crossing continents in search of books. You find a book and then you discover that you need to search for another ten. I spent the last three 5 years in search of books. Its like being a detective. The important thing is that you keep an open mind. Many of the books that we look for are also very old, therefore its even harder to find them and its like looking for a diamond in a diamond mine. Toddy1 I must say that it does gives you a better understanding of the world. You also discover how people manipulate history to financially benefit them selves. The same story gets changed, manipulated and re-told differently over time. Molded to suite the interests of each story teller. --Johnleeds1 (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I started work on the Succession to Muhammad page [38] a few years ago and then stopped because there were a lot of contradictions in the various texts. And a lot of politics. So I have been digging around. Do you know much about this subject. --Johnleeds1 (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Have you ever read a book called Ali and Mu'awiya in Early Arabic Tradition: Studies on the Genesis and Growth of Islamic Historical Writing Until the End of the Ninth Century, by Erling L Petersen? It is worth reading. The real-life Ali and the Ali of much later traditions were very different.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Sounds interesting, I will have a look at it --Johnleeds1 (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Your Missionary Activity

This [39] was you wasn't it? Your agenda has become clear. 87.71.129.210 (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

No. I suspect that both edits were by you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016

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Merger discussion for Family tree of Ali

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ANI thread close

I pinged you, but just for good measure: please see the close here: [40] --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Another of his/her complaints was that I had addressed an IP editor as YuHuw. I did apologise. But it gets confusing when people edit using an anonymous IP.
By the way, what did you make of his failed URL? irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia-en-revdel See [41] I have never seen anything like it.
-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, re: pinging

Oh yeah, because using brackets instead of braces puts a link to the "Ping" article and then renames the link as the name of the person you're trying to ping, haha! Thanks. 75.162.244.4 (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Ray Combs

Go see it! --The user whose IP address is now 75.162.244.4 (talk) because of its being dynamic; NOT because of falsely supposed "intended IP-hopping."

I see that you're aware that I've been talking to you now. So when will you be discussing the ridiculous reversions that have been happening at Ray Combs? --The user whose IP address is now 75.162.244.4 (talk) because of its being dynamic; NOT because of falsely supposed "intended IP-hopping." —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


Okay, I've made some follow-ups to your replies at Talk:Ray Combs. By now I have a new ISP-assigned address, but it's just natural for that to happen, and the block on my old address is long-over. See you over there, please, huh? 75.162.239.1 (talk) 06:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


Email

I have sent you an email, Toddy. User:Who R U?, if you delete this message, it won't help, since I've already emailed Toddy1. So good luck with trying to cover up your vandalism. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 08:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

(Redacted) 75.162.239.1 (talk) 08:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
My goodness, that sounds like a threat, abercrombie postlethwaite. That is extremely frowned upon around these parts. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 08:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016

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Battle of Krasnogvardeysk

Hello Toddy1,

I tried to summarize the engagement, but received no feedback. The battle took place on a much later date. Could you please leave your opinion?

Link: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kliment_Voroshilov_tank#Krasnogvardeysk_copyright_issue

Thanks! Kawinksy (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

iERA

Dear Toddy1, I hope you are fine. I'll be very grateful if you'll please take a look at recent edits on the iERA page, and my comments on its talk page. Thank you. My regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:41, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Does that help?-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:UNCIVIL

Your recent replying on Talk:Dnipropetrovsk is bordering Wikipedia:UNCIVIL. Obviously this kind of behaviour is not wanted by the Wikipedia community. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Please give example.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
I now see what you are talking about. The problem is that I bothered to read the source you cited. Because I read it, I followed the link in the source to a company. When I tried to post a link to the company website, Wikipedia blocked me, so I had to remove the http: bit to show the rest of the URL. You assumed wrongly that the company named its URL as a personal attack on you. Think about it!-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't appreciate to be talked to (in Wikipedia that is) like we are mates having a drink in the The Old Red Lion, Islington. Besides I don't understand your oposition towards including information about smog in Dnipropetrovsk. I have witnessed smog with my own eyes in downtown Dnipro.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:05, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
The text the editor wanted to insert is
"Owing to geography, heavy reliance on automobiles, and the coal-using industries, such as metallurgical coke-chemical plants, Dnipropetrovsk suffers from air pollution in the form of smog.[7]"
Source [7] is Ten most polluted cities in Ukraine?". June 2010. Retrieved April 25, 2016.
If you look at Source [7] it says:
Ten most polluted cities in Ukraine
MIGnews.com
The State Statistics Committee has published information on the number of atmospheric emissions in the cities of Ukraine from stationary sources of pollution. Among them are four cities of Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk Regions, the newspaper Delo reports.
The rating of the dirtiest cities of Ukraine is headed by Kryvyi Rih (Dnipropetrovsk Region). Mariupol (Donetsk Region) – is on the second place. There are such steel giants such as Ilych iron and steel works of Mariupol and Azovstal. Burshtyn (Ivano-Frankivsk Region) ranks the third.
Luhansk takes the fourth place. Zelenodolsk (Dnipropetrovsk Regions.) is the fifth. Kryvorizka thermal power plant is located there. Kurakhovo from the Donetsk Region is the sixth spot in the rankings. Debalcevo (Donetsk Region) is the seventh one. Dniprodzerzhinsk (Dnipropetrovsk Region) is the eighth. Dnipropetrovsk takes the ninth place. The last in the top 10 polluteted cities is Novyi Svet (most likely, it is a city in the Donetsk Region. - editor).
According to the State Statistics Commitee, in 2009 enterprises of Ukraine sent Hr 512.7 mn for the protection of air and climate. Due to it 32.2 tons of harmful substances were reduced.
One of the major air pollutants is cars.
As you can see the source does not support the content it is being cited for.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I do see..... But initially it came across to me that you wanted no mention of smog in Dnipropetrovsk what sour ever.... Communications can be interpreted differently... and have done this. Sorry about that! It is not easy to talk to people who you don't see..... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:26, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

The article already mentions the horrible polluted air - "However, the city is characterized with significant pollution of air with industrial emissions."[63] And citation [63] really does justify the statement.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism alleging

Everytime I put the word Syed in Muslim articles you remove them and allege vanda;lism what are you trying to hide they are an important caste of descendants of Prophet Muhammad are you Christian or a secret Muslim who wants to hide that Syeds exist in this world please reply. Arindami34 (talk) 07:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

You have been putting this stuff in front of citations that were already there. This makes it look as though the citations support your addition. That is not good. You claim to be able to provide citations for the stuff. But you have not provided any citations.
If you want to persist, then you should use the article talk pages. You need to provide citations, and you need to show that what you want to add is relevant. It is of course true that "Syed" means descendant of the prophet; that fact does not justify your edits.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply Sir your obviously not a Muslim but dont want me to do edits to articles but stay in my own world I will do as u advice though mentions of Syeds should be on most articles of Islam to understand Islam completely and better.Arindami34 (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

The Brahmin article needs to have it as a comparison of the castes I will put it in See also,hope you stop seeing my user contributions and revert less of them and call less of them as vandalism.Arindami34 (talk) 07:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Please do not add a mention of Syed unless you have sources that show that a mention of Syed is relevant.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Hasan ibn Ali =

Hello Toddy1,

I am not in an edit war. I had a trouble with properly covering the URL & adding the book citation. I think Edward321 will agree on my source now.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Hasan_ibn_Ali#Events_Surrounding_his_Death — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWikiManRules (talk • contribs) 19:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

The aim of the notices placed on both users' talk pages was to discourage further reverting, and to encourage anyone who wanted to revert to use the article talk page.
Are you saying that you do not know how to cover a URL? One of the citations used a template. Why not experiment with putting the other citation in a template? Please add what you think is an appropriate translation of the Arabic titles.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:56, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Reply

Greetings, Tody! I just meant that it was not an invasion because the Ghassanid/Byzantines technically attacked the Caliphate first because they killed an emissary in the events leading up to the first Battle of Mutah. This is why I have reverted it temporarily and I have used the talk page as well to see what you think. Tell me your advice, please. And thank you for letting me know! From: 137.74.154.248 (talk) 05:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Please use the article talk page to discuss your edits instead of reverting other editors.-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Dnipropetrovsk vs Dnipro

Toddy1, thanks for this edit, but unfortunately it has been reverted for several reasons. Firstly any outcome decisions made at Talk:Dnipropetrovsk bear no impact on any decisions made on Eurovision articles. They are different topics, and under different WikiProjects. Secondly, the city in Ukraine has been renamed as part of the 2015 Decommunization in Ukraine law. This source does verify that the Ukrainian parliament voted 247-97 on May 19 to rename the third-largest city of Dnipropetrovsk, to Dnipro. Just thought I'd point this out. I personally think the city article needs to be re-addressed to show this change of newly voted common name. Thirdly, there are independent sources in relation to the Eurovision article which use the name "Dnipro", and seeing as we are suppose to cite from what sources use in order to verify accurately, then we would go off what those sources use, some of which are published by the European Broadcasting Union - organiser for the Eurovision Song Contest. If you still feel there is an issue, then raise it as a new topic at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2017. Regards, Wes Mouse ✒ 07:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016

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August 2016

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Your recent editing history at Dnipropetrovsk shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.-- --Panam2014 (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

hi

i just made an account-LebanonisArab (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Good.
Be careful of the three-revert rule. Both you and the other editor have reached your limit on reverts to the page on Arab Christians. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Anna Sedokova

Hi! You're welcome. I found the article with no citations for a lot of information, and I'm trying to expand it. I have little knowledge of Russian, but I'll try to find new references for the data included in the article. The statements about her family were already there when I started editing the article, but if you want to delete them since there are no citations, feel free to remove them. I thought about removing them, but since they were there, I kept them in case sources were found. Maybe a simple mention that she was married to Valentin Belkevich should be included in the introduction, since he was a public person as well and their marriage was covered by the media [42]. Lucas RdS (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Wrong centuries

Hi Toddy1! Thank you for your message. I indeed saw that I made a mistake with the centuries, good that you noticed it early. Alhaqiha (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi!

I have hope would you understand English: Dnipro[1]--Zvr (talk) 12:26, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.unian.info/politics/1349664-dnipropetrovsk-renamed-dnipro.html
see Talk:Dnipropetrovsk# Requested move 19 May 2016 and Talk:Dnipropetrovsk#Requested move 17 July 2016.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Mohammed Daoud Khan

Thanks. That's someone from California who for months has been adding claims about an Afghan Royal Family working with the Israeli government and leaving weird threats on my talk page, is just an example. Doug Weller talk 08:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

You restored an unsourced red link here -- https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Kharkiv&diff=736261363&oldid=736260154

You did not say why.

Please don't restore it again unless you write an article, or provide proper reliable sources showing notability. --2604:2000:E016:A700:659D:2E7B:5E48:EF51 (talk) 08:24, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

It is not a red link.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Captain Asfandyar Bukhari Shaheed

Thanks for the heads up. I will keep it in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbdulQahaar (talk • contribs) 09:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

i dont think that writing a soldier who lost his life against designated international terrorists a martyr violates neutrality. Also muslims consider it extremely insulting if a martyr is designated as killed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbdulQahaar (talk • contribs) 11:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

The standard term in the English-language for a soldier who dies in battle is "killed in action".-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I have read dozens of articles on wikipedia in which soldiers who lost their life in battle are mentioned as martyrs. anyway writing a soldier who lost his life against terrorists as a martyr doesnt offend anybody but writing him as killed will offend a lot of pakistanis and muslims. I dont know why you are so intent on making a change that will offend a lot and please none. if you are still steadfast upon erasing the word martyr then please remove it from all other hundreds of similar wikipedia articles(in which the word martyr or martyrdom is mentioned other than in quotation eg articles about catholic martyrs, revolutionary martyrs,Sikh gurus, gallantry award recipients of many countries eg India etc). then I will also change it on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbdulQahaar (talk • contribs) 13:22, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Arab Christians

Did you make any effort to view the one week long discussion on the talk page of Arab Christians? Its an extraordinary claim that is supported by few low-quality sources. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I read the comments by Greyshark and Iryna Harpy in the discussion that ended 13 days ago.
Your edit summary said "unsupported by sources". This was untruthful. The source does support the words.--- Toddy1 (talk) 06:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
"Sources" not "source". --Makeandtoss (talk) 10:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Stop sending me false warnings on my talk page. You are the one who didn't continue the discussion that I initiated. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:58, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Salafi movement

I revdeled a recent edit summary of yours. Let me know if you wish to discuss.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Nothing to discuss.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Feedback on Hamza Tzortzis article

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