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Yemen

Oops, sorry about that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also tried fleshing out a few of the Yemeni towns like Ataq, Ja`ar and Al Kawd. One of those xxx is a village stubs actually looks like this if you care to zoom in on google maps. At least google maps are now improving so you can actually see these settlements exist. Lawdar District is currently the centre of violent riots which nobody else on wikipedia knew of. A coincidence as I happened to be starting it and picked it up on a google search. Just shows how much of the world is undocumented on here. but then again deepest Yemen is pretty out of it. The districts of Somalia and Egypt will be started in due course. Actually the vast majority of the xxx is a village type stubs created in the past which looks like the middle of a desert for places like Iran, Tibet and Yemen thankfully can now be seen using google maps. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, who'd have thought that one of my Yemeni geo sub stubs would have actually had people living in it, let alone a munitions factory eh? I'm being sarcastic but this is exactly what i mean about life taking place in such parts of the world which the rest are mostly ignorant of.. Who'd have thought that any of those Yemeni villages would ever hit front page wikipedia news..♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The Anomebot2 and PL wiki

Hello, at User:The Anomebot2 you noted in 2008 that bizarrely-formatted disambig pages were causing problems for importing geodata from PL wiki. There are now over 10,000 articles about Polish places needing geodata, some or perhaps many of which have the data in PL wiki. I wonder if it's possible to look at this again, see if there is still a problem and if there is if there is a way to fix it? Thanks in advance, Severo^TC 07:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I and other WP:POLAND editors can help translate messages between editors here and on pl wiki, if needed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello! The major problem with geocoding places in Poland is the large number of cases of multiple places in Poland with the same names, and the relatively low coverage of the Geonames database. This makes it hard to perform cross-matches between names and places, with many false negatives. Worse, in the past there were many pseudo-disambiguation pages for villages in Poland that described only one village, with mentions of multiple other places in the same article, but without creating those articles. Combined with the limited coverage of the Geonames database, these led to false positives where a false one-to-one correspondence caused the wrong villages to be matched up with a particular set of coordinates.

With the help of several other editors, I carried out a more detailed analysis that attempted to cross-correlate Geonames locations with gmina boundaries, based on bounding boxes collated from existing Wikipedia articles. This was then used to drive an altered version of the normal one-to-one matching algorithm used for other places. I may be able to re-run this, if I can remember how to work it by re-reading the code, and to regenerate the various intermediate files from the Wikipedia data and latest Geonames data.

I have also recently performed a mass update using data from other-language Wikipedias, which copied around 6000 geocodes from other editions of Wikipedia, and should have copied many of the coordinates from the pl: Wikipedia to en:. However, the data from other Wikipedias dates back to May of this year, and many newer coordniates may remain to be copied from pl: -- The Anome (talk) 11:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I have now done another interwiki pass, based on live data rather than dumps, which has copied geodata from the pl: Wikipedia into another 1000 en: Wikipedia articles about places in Poland.

The other option of another full gmina-level disambiguation run from dump data is too much effort at the moment: it's not just a matter of re-running software, there are numerous manual checking and testing steps which would need to be repeated, and manual fixups of outliers, in order to ensure that the input data was consistent before doing the final reconciliation run. This would take several days of work. -- The Anome (talk) 16:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for looking at this (and completing around 10% of the job!). There does certainly seem to be a little imagination lacking when it came to naming places (how many Dąbrowa's are there?!) which isn't something we can overcome, but, for anything we can improve here on Wikipedia that will make runs easier in the future do let us know. One question about the most recent run: did it only look at places (towns, villages etc) or anything with co-ordinate data? Thanks again, Severo^TC 16:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I looked at all en: articles where the en: article belonged to one of the Polish {{coord missing}} categories, and where the pl: article pointed to by the en: article's interwiki also contained an unambiguous and well-formatted external coordinate link. A number of special cases will have got missed due to a number of shortcuts I took to make the job easier, but manual spot-checking seems to show that this bot pass has been fairly successful in catching most of the remaining cases. -- The Anome (talk) 17:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a stab at it. User:Kotniski is our (WP:POLAND's) resident expert on locales and things such as disambig, you way want to drop him a comment on the difficulties. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. User:Kotniski is indded the expert on this; they have already given me a great deal of help on this, by setting up the gmina bounding boxes used by the cross-correlation program. I'm now taking a look at the OpenStreetMap data set for Poland, to see if it has any data that might be of use. -- The Anome (talk) 18:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I've now taken a look at the OpenStreetMap data for Poland: it's in a well-thought-out XML format which is surprisingly easy to parse and analyze, but, on inspecting the data, all of the easy match-ups to Wikipedia seem to have been done already, with only partial data for the remaining 500 possible candidates for matching. -- The Anome (talk) 11:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Keith Madeley

Why does Keith Madeley have a Wikipedia entry at all? He does not fit any the criteria and most of the links do not work. In addition, he is <redacted>. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spamfinder (talk • contribs) 09:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide any evidence for your assertions? If not, you cannot add them to the article. If you believe the article does not belong on Wikipedia, you may nominate the article for deletion using the Articles for Deletion process. -- The Anome (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "100Gbit Ethernet"

A page you created, 100Gbit Ethernet, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it redirects from an implausible misspelling.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you. WikiTome ^Talk 14:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Please see http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2240Gbit+Ethernet%22 and http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22100Gbit+Ethernet%22 -- The Anome (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "40Gbit Ethernet"

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Thank you. WikiTome ^Talk 15:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Please see http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2240Gbit+Ethernet%22 and http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22100Gbit+Ethernet%22 -- The Anome (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The Image novel

Contacting you because you started "The Image (novel)" article at Wikipedia. Article copied to LGBT Wikia, but has been nominated for deletion. Hope you have time to look at http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion#The_Image_.28novel.29 and post a reply there. --EarthFurst (talk) 20:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with whatever the LGBT Wikia decides about that article. -- The Anome (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

The left hand of the authorities devises a list of symptoms, and the right hand harasses dissidents into reporting those symptoms.

In reviewing your edit history of psychology-related articles, it appears you are pushing a POV. It's not clear to me whether the bias I perceive is malicious or not.

Here's something for you to think about:

http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/11/tricking-targets-mental-illness/ Jeremystalked_{(law 296)} 21:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about the nature of the POV you believe me to be pushing? I'm not aware of anything in my contributions that might be controversial within the context of Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policies. -- The Anome (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Any NPOV discussion of delusions should include the possibility that the person diagnosed with them is being harassed into reporting their symptoms. At a bare minimum, a link to Political psychiatry under See Also sections would be appropriate.

An example of POV editing: linking a type of delusional ideation to homicidal impulses.[1] Jeremystalked_{(law 296)} 18:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide any verifiable cites from multiple reliable sources to back those up? If so, you might want to add them to the article, following Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy (remebering to bear in mind WP:UNDUE). -- The Anome (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

coord missing oddity

Hi, Pretty minor issue but this edit added coord missing to a revolution/war. I browsed the categories and their parents a bit, but didn't see anything leap out to me as "Oh, that's causing a mistaken assumption this happened in one place." Figured I'd mention it. (Also, while wordy, it might not hurt to add a reason behind these bot additions - i.e. "Adding coord missing because is a subcategory of Military Installations" or the like). SnowFire (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Foxy boxing for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foxy boxing until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 17:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Culture of fear

This is an article that you have edited in the past and you appear to me to be an active editor on Wikipedia today. You may wish to be aware that the article has been nominated for deletion. You can can comment on the proposal by following the link in the panel referring to the proposed deletion at the top of the article. Kind regards --Hauskalainen (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Kochi Prefecture

HI I created this categry for geo coordinates. You may wish to alter the other missing from japan to kochi. If you could use the bot to add coordinates to the Japanese dams I create from J wiki this would be great.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Category:Kōchi Prefecture articles missing geocoordinate data already exists, so that's already sorted: the bot will recognise both "Kōchi" and "Kochi" as spellings of the prefecture name. The Japanese dam articles sound interesting: there's not a lot of geocoding on jawiki, so I'll take a look. -- The Anome (talk) 14:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've fixed the tags in those articles to point to Category:Kōchi Prefecture articles missing geocoordinate data instead. I'll soft-redirect your category Category:Kochi Prefecture articles missing geocoordinate data to the older category. -- The Anome (talk) 15:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Micronesia

Hi can you add the coordinates to the new stubs by Ser Amantio? I added a few.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

List of geological fault of Wales

Hi The Anome, I reverted your edits to List of geological faults of Wales because most of the blue links are redirects to the list article. An editor (now banned as a sockpuppet) made microstub articles of the form 'The xxxx fault is a geological fault in Wales' as their only content. Following a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geology#Query on notability, advice sought., I took on the task of reviewing all the faults in the list and deciding whether there was enough material available to write stand alone articles. I'm part way through C at the moment, but will create genuine stubs for those where there is sufficient information and redirect any existing microstubs back to the list article. In many cases these faults are shown only on a single geological map, or may have a single mention in a book with no details. They should be in the list article but are unlikely to ever merit their own articles. Mikenorton (talk) 19:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

BOAC Flight 712

I've reverted this edit, which placed the accident in Chadwell St Mary. Mjroots (talk) 06:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've removed the coordinates from the pl: article as well. -- The Anome (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The Anomebot2 coord errors

Recently, The Anomebot2 has added a number of coordinates with source:kolossus-dewiki and invalid region codes: [2], [3], [4] ... It looks like the first character after the hyphen is getting lost somewhere along the way. --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

You're right. Unfortunately, the error is in the source data as it appears in the Kolossus pub_C_geo_id.csv dump file (see [5]), so I have no way of detecting it unless I have a list of subregional codes I can validate this data against, or if I was to laboriously validate the subregional codes against each individual source article (and since there are roughly 6000 of them left, this would be a significant effort).

Do you know of a suitable list of codes I can use for this purpose? Failing that, I guess I can parse the relevant data out of ISO 3166-2:MX and similar articles, but it seems like a brute-force (and non-authoritative, because this is Wikipedia) way of doing it. In the meantime, I will stop the bot edits. -- The Anome (talk) 19:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I've compiled a list of the bad ones I've seen so far. See User:The Anome/pages with bad subregion codes in geotemplates. -- The Anome (talk) 14:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I've gone over the list on that page, and I think they are probably all correctly fixed now. -- The Anome (talk) 15:31, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this. I don't have access to an authoritative list of region codes; I discovered the errors while working through Dispenser's daily report. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

The bot has also added coordinates with region:XA: [6], [7], [8]. --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:45, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. XA is part of the private use area in ISO 3166-2, and seems to be being used here to mean "ocean", "international waters" or similar. Since it isn't an official code, I'll suppress it from my bot edits. -- The Anome (talk) 12:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've now found and fixed the remaining 10 of the 15 region:XA entries added by my recent bot run. -- The Anome (talk) 13:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. On enwiki at least we use region:XZ for international waters. But if we're unsure how the code is used, then probably best to suppress it as you've done. Merry Christmas! —Stepheng3 (talk) 23:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft articles

Hello, Anomebot2 is adding co-ords to aircraft articles which is causing a bit of effort to undo all the time. Any chance of stopping it adding co-ords to things like aircraft that do not need it, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I can do that. Can you give me some examples? I can do that in the bot heuristics, once I've done the work above to validate the region codes. -- The Anome (talk) 19:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Understood, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd greatly appreciate it if you could provide me with two or three diffs of the bad edits, so I can double-check what's going on by hand. -- The Anome (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Here are 3 aircraft articles and 1 ship: [9], [10], [11]. & [12]. -fnlayson (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'm going to start by investigating the aircraft ones, and then move on to ships later. This CatScan search (edited results) should find the entries that have been added mistakenly to aircraft articles so far. It's not as simple as it might seem: some air accidents are listed under aircraft subcategories, but are valid candidates for coordinates, so I can't just use the keyword "aircraft" to filter these. I'll think about it more, and try to come up with a better heuristic. -- The Anome (talk) 14:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

"aircraft" and not ("accidents" or "incidents") is nearly enough to do it, but misses some cases of individual aircraft that are on public display. More to come. -- The Anome (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate your efforts on this Anome, if it turns out we have have a few articles that need hand reverting it is not a huge problem as you say accidents should have coords and individual aircraft that still exist (although we dont have that many of them). MilborneOne (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

"aircraft" and not ("accidents" or "incidents" or "individual") nails it for all the cases I've seen so far. I've added this to the bot code, and will now clean up the existing outliers by hand. Next, ships. -- The Anome (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen any examples of bad ship edits yet: the one you cited, the USS Enterprise CVN-65, is correct, as that appears to be the current at least semi-permanent, and possibly final, location of that particular ship. If you can show me some bad ship edits, I'd be happy to hunt down other similar examples and fix them, in the same way as the above. -- The Anome (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

[13] [14] two ships (well one ship and one submarine - both scrapped) MilborneOne (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've finished my review of the geocoded aircraft articles that seemed worth a second look, see User:The Anome/Aircraft coord catscan results 2010-12-30. -- The Anome (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks OK - not a big fan of inline coords they are very distracting in the text and a bit indiscriminate but I understand that is not your problem and not related to the work the bot is doing. MilborneOne (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

By the way, since you're online at the moment, I wonder if you could do me a favor and take a look at the geobox for El Hondo, which seems completely broken? -- The Anome (talk) 19:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Dont think it has ever worked some of the fields are not in the template not even coordinates, I will have a dig around and see if anything can be done. MilborneOne (talk) 19:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

El Hondo fixed. MilborneOne (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 23:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Sociology membership

I see that within the last year you have made at least one substantial comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sociology, but you have not added yourself to the project's official member list. This prevents you from, among other things, receiving our sociology newsletter, as that member list acts as our newsletter mailing list (you can find the latest issue of our sociology newsletter here). If you'd like to receive the newsletter and help us figure out how many members we really have, please consider joining our WikiProject and adding yourself to our official member list. Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 13:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT values

I reverted your deletions because I had left information of the DEFAULTSORT tag. ie: to sort Chapel of the Resurrection (New York City), as Resurrection Chapel (New York City), etc., including a number of the St. XXX's Church, where articles linking to them originally were titled Church of St. XXX. The church title was mistakenly left out in a number of articles leaving (New York City) alone in the DEFAULTSORT. The mistakes have been corrected. Thank you for the notice.-- James R (talk) 16:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Puzzled

Hi. Just wondering why {{coord|18|31|N|91|26|W|source:kolossus-eowiki|display=title}} has been added by your bot to Carmen, which is an opera, not a place. Or am I missing something? Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that: it's clearly an error, and I can't really see where the coordinates might have come from within the Kolossus dump: I can't see any trace of it in the eo: article. I've now added operas to the class of creative works to which my bot will no longer add geocodes. And, while I'm at it, poems as well, making my category keyword block list for this now ["songs", "albums", "novels", "stories", "anthems", "musicals", "poems", "books", "plays", "films", "movies", "novellas", "documentaries", "operas"] -- The Anome (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Found it. It was a bad interwiki from http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_%28komunumo_en_Campeche%29 . -- The Anome (talk) 17:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting! Thanks for disentangling. I bunged the coord into Google maps, and got a location in Newcastle upon Tyne[15]! Mexico looks like a more appropriate place. --GuillaumeTell 18:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Anomiebot is doing this all over, recently to bran (a foodstuff) and equestrianism (a worldwide sport)

Argh!

Argh! Please accept my apologies. Unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible to make 6000+ bot edits and not have the bot make the occasional nonsense edit, particularly when it's taking human-entered data from one wiki and adding it to another. Thanks for correcting both of these: I'll take a look, and add heuristics to the bot to make sure similar errors do not happen in future. -- The Anome (talk) 22:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, "sports" and "ingredients" are now added to the bot's category keyword blacklist. -- The Anome (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgive Anomebot, as long as it continues to get better. The concept is a nice one. Montanabw^(talk) 23:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It will keep on getting better, I promise, and I have lots of other cool geodata stuff on the way. Also: I've just added "ballets" and "treaties" to the list of things it won't geocode. -- The Anome (talk) 23:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

And "firms" -- The Anome (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Please don't use interwiki coords for BC items; alternate legit sources exist

I just corrected teh coords for Fraser Valley, which your bot provided from French Wiki, and for Kitsilano, from Slovak wiki; and have corrected both French and Slovak pages with the correct coords, which can be found in BCGNIS. I don't know if it can be parsed easily, likewise CGNDB for other Canadian items, but they're "archival sources" and official. I have a CSV copy of the provincial gazette, which is the basis for BCGNIS, it's probably easily parseable, so email me if you'd like a copy to work with. Some entries such as "Salmon River" and "Black Creek" will need human discernment because of multiple entries. NB there are lots in the coord-missing directory that just shouldn't have that in them, which are not places or, e.g. with electoral districts, no official sources for the centrepoints exist.Skookum1 (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Please don't use interwiki coords for BC

Please disarm your bot for entries in British Columbia; coordinates provided from interwiki sources are not accurate, and the two I've fixed so far were wildly off Fraser Valley and Kitsilano; the first was sourced from fr-wiki, the second from sk-wiki, but given that those pages in French and Slovak are not properly sourced (coords or otherwise), why are you using them as a source? The Kitsilano item was on Hollyburn Mountain in West Vancouver - has a view of Kitsilano, but it's not Kitsilano; the Fraser Valley coordinates were in Rosedale, in teh upper end of teh valley northeast of Chilliwack; I adjusted them to the coordinates of the old District of Matsqui, which is about centre (more or less). Core source for coordinates in BC is BCGNIS, for Canada as a whole CGNDB, though not sure how/if they can be parsed botomatically.....I have a copy of the provincial gazette, which is a CSV file and is the basis for BCGNIS; if you'd like a copy email me and I will forward it; there must be way to integrate/parse its coordinates by bot. Some discrepancies will result, especially in cases like "Salmon River" or "Black Creek" of which there are many entries and will require human discernment.Skookum1 (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I've stopped the bot, and will investigate. I'll need a bit of time to write some scripts to filter out the possible offending edits, since this might be part of a large problem, so please expect me to get back to you about this sometime tomorrow.

In answer to your question: when performing interwiki copying, the bot currently blindly trusts any coordinates added in any edition of Wikipedia, after applying some very simple sanity checks. Although this seems like a poor policy, it's actually rather effective -- good data vastly outnumbers the bad, and bad data is typically caught quite quickly either by human review, or a large number of automatic tools which attempt to check Wikipedia coordinate data for self-consistency, and to cross-check it with outside sources. This is a classic case of the "Worse is Better" successive refinement strategy on which all of Wikipedia is based: over the long run, good data drives out bad, rather than the reverse.

Once a problem is found, I can then make efforts to roll back the whole class of similar possibly-problematic updates, and then leave remaining geocoding to human beings or other special-purpose bot code written to deal with that particular case. For example, in the case of places in Japan, blind interwiki copying actually has quite high levels of accuracy, perhaps because the only people geocoding Japanese locations are specialists who really care, but bot-driven auto-matching generates very poor and partial data, because of naming conventions and transliteration problems. I thus allow one, but not the other in my bot runs.

This combination of "trust, but verify, then remove or correct similar errors" is quite effective at producing data with an overall accuracy of > 99%, something which we aim to improve in the long run through collaboration with groups like OpenStreetMap. However, there are places where it falls down.

One of the big problems with Canada is the high level of name reuse, and the lack of authoritative public domain or Free data sources other than GNS, which suffers from too little coverage and not enough reduction of ambiguity. In the case of Poland, name reuse was so high that I had to write a special-purpose program to generate data by cross-correlating the locations and areas of first- second- and third-order regions and sub-regions with place names, in order to eliminate ambiguity. Although this took over two weeks to write, debug, and QA, in concert with several other editors, it ended up generating over 10,000 new coordinates for Polish articles, with a very low error rate. I've performed numerous other hand-crafted special-purpose exercises in data fusion and analysis for other specialist article classes, including recently Japanese railway stations, which included some interesting multilingual disambiguation issues.

I wonder if something similar might be possible for Canada? I can't currently see any licensing information for either the BCGNIS or CGNDB -- if it can be shown that they can be used under Wikipedia's licensing terms, I'd be happy to give this a go. -- The Anome (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The coordinates and I think the basic descriptions, if any, are public domain (e.g. "part of the city of Vancouver, in th New Westminster Land District), only the page layout and things like historical/name-origin are Crown copyright, but even they are often citations from public works, often public-domain works (like Capt. Walbran). Coordinates themselves are not copyrightable. The siteowner of bivouac.com had a parsing method where he could use the Provincial Basemap system somehow to generate displays of it from pages in bivouac. For coordinates we didn't use BCGNIS, though, as they're often rounded (they have a project underway to "hone" them but are short of funding....or I might have a job with them otherwise ;-)), so we used Basemap (in BC) and other sources (for YT, AB etc) to refine the coordinates visually, so their coordinates are often more accurate/precise than in BCGNIS; theoretically parseable also. The coordinates in BCGNIS are the same as those in the Provincial Gazette, which should be easy to parse as it's just a CSV; email me, they sent me a copy (as they will to anyone who asks); should be just a matter of stripping data from certain fields....multiple-entry items could be tagged as such, maybe (e.g. "Bear Lake" - though all those have been done, I think, mostly by myself), with the tag saying "multiple entries exist, please choose from among the following entries"Skookum1 (talk) 20:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

BTW there are two parallel systems right now, and as you've seen the older one temporarily hits "Page not found" but does redirect to the proper search window for "old BCGNIS". The new system is BC Names and I should know the link for it by now, but haven't updated my bookmarks since the older one still works; it has nicer graphics etc and in some cases more updated name-origin/history information. The pages themselves are crown copyright, but again, the coordinates, by definition, are not. I can get you verification on that if need be, but bear in mind that "source:BCGNIS" in the coord template means that it's OK, you're only quoting a copyrighted work, not reproducing it entire/unmodified.Skookum1 (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Candidates for badness

Some very quick grepping suggests that these are the only entries north of the 49th parallel and to the west of the middle of the Atlantic written in the most recent bot run:

region:US

• Battle_of_Dutch_Harbor ((coord|53|53|15|N|166|32|32|W|region:US-AK_type:isle_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) looks OK
• Colville_National_Forest ((coord|49|09|N|118|16|W|region:US_source:kolossus-cswiki|display=title)) wrong side of U.S. border, removed -- now fixed

region:CA

• 2008_Continental_Cup_of_Curling ((coord|53|01|05|N|112|49|38|W|region:CA-AB_type:city(15620)_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) location matches town name, looks OK
• 2010_Ford_World_Women's_Curling_Championship ((coord|50|17|N|107|56|W|region:CA_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) location quite near town named, it's curling, don't know what a curling venue looks like, but plausible
• The_Right_Honourable_John_G._Diefenbaker_Centre_for_the_Study_of_Canada ((coord|52|08|02|N|106|38|24|W|region:CA-SK_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) pretty much spot-on
• Okanagan ((coord|50|22|00|N|119|21|01|W|region:CA-BC_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) looks like a good match with Google Maps, but needs expert review
  • Googlemaps has all kinds of problems and I wish I knew how to get "at them"; interestingly the location given, which was at the far northern end of Okanagan Lake (and way too far north), was the location of a village-cum-HBC post Okanaqen, mentioned by James Teit in his History of the Chiefs of the Okanagan passages, where Chief Nicola lived as a young man before moving to Nicola Lake (though not usually used as the name-origin cite, oddly), but that seems coincidental as Teit's works are very obscure nowadays (unless you're an ethnologist or early-BC historian); I've corrected them to Rattlesnake Island (Okanagan Lake)'s coords, which are near-centre; even Kelowna is a bit far north for centre; the range of the region is from the border to Armstrong/Spallumcheen.Skookum1 (talk) 21:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Prince_Rupert_railway_station ((coord|54|17|45|N|130|21|07|W|region:CA_type:railwaystation_source:kolossus-fiwiki|display=title)) matches Via Rail site's own map, looks OK
• Prairie_Pothole_Region ((coord|49|27|14|N|103|25|31|W|region:CA-SK_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) point is somewhere in the middle of vast area as shown on map in article, looks OK
• Red_River_Colony ((coord|49|00|00|N|97|14|15|W|region:CA-MB_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) 49th parallel, and longitude looks right relative to Lake Winnipeg as shown in period map, looks OK
  • Should be, the Red River Colony included, I think, the US part of the valley, which is more south of the border than not; given the history, though, a Canadian coordinate is kind of called for, so the border should be fine.Skookum1 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Peak_2_Peak_Gondola ((coord|50|04|10|N|122|56|45|W|region:CA-BC_type:landmark_source:kolossus-dewiki|display=title)) certainly in the right ballpark, can see something which might be it in satellite images, but needs expert review
  • The location is only at the Whistler Mountain/Roundhouse Station; I'm not sure what to do about things like this, which is really a railway license (lifts are governed by the Railway Act in BC); the Blackcomb/Seventh Heaven terminus wouldn't do either; I'm not in the mood right now but will use Basemap later to located the centre point, which would be roughly right over the line of Fitzsimmons Creek where it passes underneath the gondola's cables.Skookum1 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

other

• McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle ((coord|61|14|46|N|149|47|46|W|source:kolossus-ruwiki|display=title)) NO CONTEXT, dubious relevance, already removed
• 1958_Lituya_Bay_megatsunami ((coord|58|38|N|137|34|W|source:kolossus-eswiki|display=title)) matches location of same name given in article, looks OK
• Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Juneau ((coord|58|18|13|N|134|24|29|W|source:kolossus-plwiki|display=title)) spot on the RC cathedral, plwiki is very good at RC dioceses, looks OK
• Mendeleev_Ridge ((coord|80|00|N|178|00|W|source:kolossus-ruwiki|display=title)) ruwiki should have got this one right; matches undersea feature as described on both map in article and Google Maps undersea view, looks OK
• Cariboo ((coord|52|00|N|122|00|W|source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title)) vague, source is frwiki, which has other dubious data, needs expert review
  • location given is near the city of Williams Lake, which on a N-S basis is OK, though I think it should be further east; I'm not happy with my own map there, as there's issues with including the Chilcotin as part of the Cariboo; which folks in the Chilcotin don't, though "Cariboozers" do (Caribooer is teh polite version).; seems to me somewhere mid-way between "Billy's Puddle" (as Williams Lake is nicknamed) and Horsefly Lake might work better, I'll tinker around about it. French wiki probably went off that opening map; I should come up with one that's just "Cariboo proper", as it's different from "Cariboo Plateau" proper; but it's a vaguely-defined region in its southern extremities; Clinton considers itself Gateway to the Cariboo, but Ashcroft, Cache Creek, Lillooet and Kamloops have all been considered part of it over the years (Ashcroft-Cache Creek consider themselves "South Cariboo" but Clinton and 100 Mile are seen as t hat by people in the rest of the Cariboo, northwards; Quesnel, though near the northern limit of the region, considers itself the Centre of the Cariboo, because in the old days it was the first city and the Cariboo goldfields, which is what "Cariboo" meant back then, are to its east.Skookum1 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Sandy_Lake_(Ontario) ((coord|52|58|N|93|35|W|type:waterbody_source:kolossus-ruwiki|display=title)) looks dubious, removed: near a Sandy Lake, but clearly not matching the description in the article
• Fort_Saint_Jacques ((coord|51|29|20|N|78|45|07|W|type:landmark_source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title)) matches description in article, and detail in File:Rupert_map_2.png, looks plausible
• Nechako_Canyon_Protected_Area ((coord|53|38|00|N|124|55|34|W|source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title)) matches named feature on Google Maps, probably OK
  • BCGNIS is not updated enough to have the protected area (most protected areas are not listed unless they were previously provincial parks), though the Nechako Canyon entry exists; its coords are 53°36'00"N 124°56'00"W - fr-wiki looks to be two minutes too far north, which is quite a bit.Skookum1 (talk) 22:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Nipawin_Hydroelectric_Station ((coord|53|19|11|N|104|02|31|W|source:kolossus-nowiki|display=title)) only dam I can see near Nipawin, matches general description, and aerial view map is a good match with aerial photo in article, looks plausible
• Lake_St._Joseph ((coord|51|03|N|90|46|W|source:kolossus-ukwiki|display=title)) matches description in article: taking hwy 599 from Ignace takes you to large waterbody of same name at location given in coordinates. Looks OK
• Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Anchorage ((coord|61|13|11|N|149|52|44|W|source:kolossus-plwiki|display=title)) matches Google, plwiki is very good at RC dioceses, looks OK
• Fraser_Valley ((coord|49|10|48|N|121|57|00|W|source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title)) reported as bad and corrected, as above
• Top_of_the_World_Highway ((coord|64|13|N|140|21|W|source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title)) matches feature on Google map at that location, looks OK
• Anderson_River_(Northwest_Territories) ((coord|69|42|34|N|128|59|52|W|type:landmark_source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title))
• Suffield_National_Wildlife_Area ((coord|50|34|05|N|110|26|51|W|source:kolossus-frwiki|display=title))
• Kitsilano ((coord|49|21|55|N|123|11|39|W|source:kolossus-skwiki|display=title)) reported as bad and corrected, as above

Of course, trying to spot numeric ranges with grep patterns is a huge hack, not all of Canada is above the 49th parallel, and this will also get Alaska and some of Greenland, so I wouldn't be surprised that I missed some... -- The Anome (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Lessons learned?

Of 26 articles geotagged, 3 were clearly wrong, 1 dubious, and 3 roughly right but in need of expert review. The remaining 19 all seemed OK. 73% good, or, at best, 85% roughly OK, is not a very good hit rate, and significantly worse than I had come to expect. Perhaps this is because this is not a random sample, but a sample containing data that was already known to be dubious? Given the overall data quality goal of > 99%, I'd hope for at least 90%+ good for these interwiki updates, and this hasn't been met here.

Possible useful hypotheses for testing:

• are some language editions of Wikipedia generally more reliable for coordinates than others?
  • does this correlate with article count, community size, # of coordinates internally generated?
• are particular language editions of Wikipedia particularly reliable for particular topics (eg. plwiki for RC diocese coordinates)
• are particular language editions of Wikipedia better on their "home turf": eg frwiki on places in France, plwiki on places in Poland...?

More research, as ever, is required. -- The Anome (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced geocoords

Your bot appears to be adding unsourced geocoordinates to a massive number of articles. Interwiki hardly qualifies as a WP:RS. Please stop. Some of these geographical locations are sensitive. They may be located on private property, have restricted access, be dangerous, contain valuable and fragile cultural resources, etc. These sensitive locations are threatened by the publication of their geocoords. This invites the unprepared, the ignorant and possibly the unscrupulous to trespass, vandalise, and damage the location or to injure themselves or others. Besides most of these geocoord edits you are doing fall into the realm of original research which is seriously frowned upon. Please, only add geocoords to articles which are verifiable from reliable sources; and, then, the citation should go with the edit. Adding unsourced, uncited, unverifiable edits to a massive number of articles is cause for concern. Please stop. Thanks. WTucker (talk) 03:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure WT is merely being forgetful in failing to point you to his more public rendition of this rather confused complaint, at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Unsourced_geocoords, Anome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Ekallatum

Hi. You appear to have inadvertantly added geo coordinates to a place whose location is not known ie. the ancient city of Ekallatum. If you have actually discovered it's location, that would be cool, otherwise, it's probably not a good idea.Ploversegg (talk) 07:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. The coordinate was taken from hu:Ekallátum, which I think has it as a hypothetical location. I have filters that try to prevent the auto-geocoding of ancient sites, for exactly this sort of reason, but this time they failed. Thanks for spotting this: I've backed off the change. -- The Anome (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Gunfire for deletion

The article Gunfire is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gunfire until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Marcus Qwertyus 08:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I've closed this AfD as a speedy keep, per the comments there, and then finished the merge proposed by a majority of submitters. -- The Anome (talk) 13:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

coords for light?

The Anomebot2 added coords to Light. This doesn't make sense to me so I removed them. Am I missing something?--SPhilbrickT 21:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I glanced upthread after posting. Having added a few hundred geocodes manually, I applaud your efforts. I found the first 50 fun, the next 200 tolerable, then the next batch were tedious, and I've lost my desire to do it manually. If it can be done automatically with an acceptably small error rate, which you seem to be diligently improving, I'm all for it.--SPhilbrickT 21:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words, and in particular, many thanks for geocoding so many pages manually: I know how much work manual geocoding is, and really appreciate your efforts. A few hundred pages may sound like a small number, and the size of the problem overwhelming, but, scaled over hundreds of volunteers, the amount of work generated by a few hundreds of edits per editor is amazing. The reality is that most pages with geocodes have been geocoded by individual contributors -- although the bot has so far geocoded something like 300,000 pages, it is only as good as its data input, and it's unlikely that it will ever be able to geocode things like buildings and monuments.

Also: looking at the edit to Light has given me some more ideas about filtering: I'll take a look at taking the output of the bot's {{coord missing}} generator and using to filter interwiki coordinate copies: this should suppress most of the recent weird edits. Kind regards, -- The Anome (talk) 18:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I wonder, without any specific knowledge, whether there's an alternative systematic approach. My ideal situation would include some organization (National geographic, Google Maps, Bing Maps, AAA, Garmin) with either a long list of locations and geocodes, or plans to create such a list, and a reason why it would be in their best interests for all relevant Wikipedia articles to have geocode information. For example, maybe Garmin would find it a desirable client feature, if you plan a trip from A to B, to tell you about interesting places along the way, and pop up an option to read a Wikipedia article about the place. That might be easier to accomplish if an article had geocodes. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they agreed, and offered to provide us a with a table of Wikipedia articles and their geocodes (or heck, this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, maybe they could just add the geocode.)--SPhilbrickT 23:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I fear they might have intellectual property issues about donating coordinates to Wikipedia. There are certainly a number of iPhone apps that can show you the nearest features on Wikipedia to your current location, "Vicinity" being a good example. -- The Anome (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

NRHP coordinates

Hi, i wonder if u could possibly help me get coordinates for NRHP-listed places. I recall u downloaded the National Register's NRIS database in the past, regarding address-restricted sites. I'm working now with a new version of NRIS and generating draft articles, e.g. as at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Middlesex County, Connecticut/drafts, for editors to use in starting articles. This is similar to what User:Elkman has provided at his off-wiki site, also based on NRIS, but Elkman is not jumping to tell me where he got his coordinates. In the basic NRIS database files, i find UTM coordinates but not regular latitude and longitude ones. I wonder about converting those UTM coordinates, but i am afraid i would introduce errors if i just applied formulae that i find out about by web-searching.

There's been mention of a Google maps layer with better quality NRHP coordinates in it.

Did you, or could you, figure out how to get coordinates for NRHP-listed places? Any advice appreciated. --Doncram (talk) 19:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I'll take a look a bit later. Did you get your data from the .mdb file mentioned in http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreg/docs/Download.html#spatial ? They also state there that their data uses the NAD27 datum, which can be up to 200m off from the WGS84 coordinate system Wikipedia uses, for a given place in the continental U.S.: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nadcon.prl offers a conversion service from NAD27 to NAD83: this claims that NAD83 is in general within 2 meters of agreement with WGS84, which is good enough for most non-cadastral, non-technical purposes, and certainly much better than the accuracy required for this purpose. Of course, you should always spot-check a small sample of your output against ground truth with something like Google Maps to sanity check it before trusting any conversions. -- The Anome (talk) 19:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to the table named UTM within the NRIS.MDB, which is accessed by "Download all data" option elsewhere on that page. I don't remember if i checked out the Spatial.mdb file, maybe i should have. The UTM table has just 4 fields: REFNUM, UTMZONE, UTMEAST, UTMNRTH and with the refnum i can merge it to other data. It gives multiple points for some REFNUMS though, without identifying which one is a centroid or otherwise best for use.

About the NAD27 issue, i am well aware of that. Elkman's system uses some version of this NRIS coordinates that is indeed off, for many properties, but is what we have used in all the NRHP list-articles and we are continuing to use when creating new individual articles' infoboxes. I don't think all the data is NAd27. All the older listings are, based off of NRHP applications which included old USGS quadrant maps with coords traced out of them. It is probably mostly NAD27 but who knows what for more recent listings. Probably applying a conversion from NAD27 to the current NAD would be better in most cases.

Subsequent to articles being started, editors have manually made corrections. We have about 30,000 articles started, out of 85,000 total. A long ways to go. It seems regrettable that we aren't using the best available coordinates to start with, like those in the Google map layers mentioned on that page, which reflect some effort by the NPS to get better coords. I am not familiar with those. I'll try downloading the SPAtiaL.mdb also. Thanks. --Doncram (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I had already downloaded Spatial.mdb. I see it includes a Centroids table, which is what i would want assuming it is all the regular point locations plus centroids for historic district items. It consists of just four fields REFNUM, ZONE, EASTING_CE, and NORTHING_C. I am not sure which version of data Elkman might be using, but i am using neither so far: i am stuck at this point and don't know how to convert, don't have converted hrs/minutes/seconds to use. --Doncram (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I've now taken a look at the zipped KML files listed a bit below the spatial.mdb file, labeled "Midwest Region", "Northeast Region" etc. Once these are unzipped, they are pretty much vanilla KML. I've parsed the first one using this regular expression:

"(?ms)<Placemark>.*?<name>(.*?)</name>.*?<coordinates>(.*?),(.*?),(.*?)</coordinates>.*?</Placemark>"

which pulls out name, long/lat and something else (height?) quite simply. The Midwest Region file appears to contain 18244 such placemarks, of which the first five are:

"7th District Police Station" -87.65067106299991 41.8645403460001 0
"Abbott, Robert S., House" -87.6161686759999 41.80996863100011 0
"Adams Building" -87.6299667359999 40.1276626590001 0
"Adams Memorial Library" -88.1065486989999 41.8750130780001 0
"Adams, Mary W., House" -87.78921508799992 42.1872978210001 0

Note that the coordinates in the KML file seem to be longitude, latitude, not the other way around. Since they are KML files, I would like to believe they are already in WGS84: a quick comparison on Google Maps shows the Robert S. Abbott House coordinates to be reasonable (eg. in the right city!), and not too far from the coordinates given in the Wikipedia article:

KML data:        41.80996863100011 -87.6161686759999
Wikipedia data:  41.809989         -87.616136          (via Geohack page)
Difference:      -0.000020*         -0.000033
                 (* approx -2.2 m, using 1 degree latitude ~110km)

-- The Anome (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the last field, showing 0 in these cases, is the indicator mentioned at the webpage, where 1 would indicate an improved quality location done by contractor TeleAtlas. Unfortunately the NRIS property name in the first field is not a unique identifier. There are 3 "Adams Building" listings in NRIS, for which we have 1 out of 3 articles started in Wikipedia so far:

• Adams Building (Danville, Illinois), listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) in Illinois
• Adams Building (Quincy, Massachusetts), listed on the NRHP in Massachusetts, USA
• Adams Building (Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan), listed on the NRHP in Chippewa County, Michigan

I could possibly use this set of coordinates to replace other coordinates for future articles in cases where there is a unique match. There is only one "Abbott, Robert S., House", it is located in Chicago if i recall correctly. Robert S. Abbott House already exists as an article. (after ec) It's not quite a fair test on data quality: i think Chicago is ground zero where there is no difference between NAD27 and NAD83; there's more difference at all 4 corners of the continental U.S. :)

I don't know what a KML file is, and I can't read the KML files currently. After i download one and click on it, i am brought to Google Earth to download Google Earth 6, which i don't want to do. And if i did i don't know that i could extract what you have here. --Doncram (talk) 20:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

A KML file is just an XML file: it's verbose, but human-readable: you should be able to open it in a plain-text editor (not a word-processor!). If you have a simple programming language like Python (programming language) available on your machine, you should be able to use Python's regular expression library to parse it quite easily.

By the way, there's lots of other stuff in the placemark records as well, inclding the NPS reference number, state, and county, as HTML in a CDATA section, which I can't currently be bothered to parse.

-- The Anome (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

If this helps, a slightly longer regular expression also picks out the NPS reference number, as follows:

"7th District Police Station" 96000515 -87.65067106299991 41.8645403460001 0
"Abbott, Robert S., House" 76000686 -87.6161686759999 41.80996863100011 0
"Adams Building" 00001337 -87.6299667359999 40.1276626590001 0
"Adams Memorial Library" 81000675 -88.1065486989999 41.8750130780001 0
"Adams, Mary W., House" 82002552 -87.78921508799992 42.1872978210001 0

and 00001337 is at 139-141 N. Vermilion St., Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois.

-- The Anome (talk)

Oh, okay, great, the reference number is what i would need to merge with! I'll try harder about finding a way to open the KML file in Wordpad or Notepad text editor. I once used Perl a very little bit on unix machines, don't have anything like that now. Am on Windows XP. It still would only cover some properties though, and specifically not properties listed since 2007 to mid 2010 which are in the current NRIS data. So I would nonetheless still need some way to get regular coordinates out of the UTM coordinates in the spatial mdb.

P.S. For the Robert S. Abbott House, the coords in the article were manually edited by editor User:TonyTheTiger when putting the NRHP infobox in. The Elkman output now gives (and woulda then given):

  | lat_degrees = 41
  | lat_minutes = 48
  | lat_seconds = 36
  | lat_direction = N
  | long_degrees = 87
  | long_minutes = 36
  | long_seconds = 58

but TonyTheTiger knew to refine that using Google Maps satellite view or whatever else. It is actually a high-profile example, of interest to him because it is a National Historic Landmark and a Chicago city landmark, not a run-of-the-mill merely NRHP-listed place. --Doncram (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

See User:The Anome/NRIS kml extractor for some sample code in Python that pulls out all the fields in the KML file, including those in the description. As the disclaimer at the top of the code says, use at your own risk: I suggest you only use this as a template for writing your own program: I do not recommend just running or otherwise blindly trusting code you find on random wiki pages, for obvious reasons.

Here's some sample output:

 'OK', '7th District Police Station', '41.8645403460001', '-87.65067106299991', '7th District Police Station', '943--949 W. Maxwell St.', 'Chicago', 'Cook', 'ILLINOIS', '41.86454', '-87.65067', '96000515', '19960502', '', 'point', '0'
 'OK', 'Abbott, Robert S., House', '41.80996863100011', '-87.6161686759999', 'Abbott, Robert S., House', '4742 Martin Luther King, Jr. Dr.', 'Chicago', 'Cook', 'ILLINOIS', '41.80997', '-87.61617', '76000686', '19761208', '', 'point', '0'
 'OK', 'Adams Building', '40.1276626590001', '-87.6299667359999', 'Adams Building', '139-141 N. Vermilion St.', 'Danville', 'Vermilion', 'ILLINOIS', '40.12766', '-87.62997', '00001337', '20001115', '', 'point', '1'
 'OK', 'Adams Memorial Library', '41.8750130780001', '-88.1065486989999', 'Adams Memorial Library', '9th St.', 'Wheaton', 'Du Page', 'ILLINOIS', '41.87501', '-88.10655', '81000675', '19810604', '', 'point', '0'
 'OK', 'Adams, Mary W., House', '42.1872978210001', '-87.78921508799992', 'Adams, Mary W., House', '1923 Lake Ave.', 'Highland Park', 'Lake', 'ILLINOIS', '42.1873', '-87.78922', '82002552', '19820929', 'Highland Park MRA', 'point', '1'

-- The Anome (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Now updated to deal with occasional records with broken HTML. -- The Anome (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I was able to open the midwest KML file by renaming it to end with .txt instead, then it opens in text editor fine. I could not see how u got all that info, including the refnum, but i searched specifically for one of the refnums u listed above, and then I find it, way way over to the right. I don't think i woulda ever found those were there at all on my own. This is great, i can definitely use this KML data and will proceed to download and clean out the data for all the regions into a nice file that i can use (and i'll offer to share it to Elkman). Thanks!

You're not commenting on the UTM to latitude and longitude conversion, so i am guessing u can't help as easily on that, for records not covered in this KML data. I'll keep trying to figure out some way to convert them. I am way ahead now with having this KML data as good check for whether any UTM converter is working properly. Thanks again! --Doncram (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like both of you are way ahead of me, so I'll just note that I have found some of the NRHP sites to be a bit off – I know I was trying to track one down one location in Bloomfield CT to get a picture, and used the geocode to find it, but it wasn't there. Luckily, I found someone who was familiar with the place, and it was a couple blocks away, not far, but far enough that you couldn't use the original article geocodes to find it. I did correct the values, with some trepidation, but I feel better now. If you two work out some way to get a better list, I'd like to work with Don to find a way to review the existing codes and improve them if possible.--SPhilbrickT 23:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Anomebot2: Area Codes

Would it be possible to set the bot to avoid area codes? It's not really possible to have geocoordinates for them. Congressional districts and storms are mostly the same; ships are also pretty tricky to tag unless they're a museum ship or whatnot. I do love the bot, by the way; it leaves me only the interesting articles to geotag. Thanks! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I thought I was already blacklisting storms -- can you please give me an example of each of these cases, and I'll check them out. -- The Anome (talk) 02:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Here is one Area codes 860 and 959. I had mentioned a similar article back in May but it may have been missed because I included it in an old comment.  7  02:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand the logic here. If the Atlantic Ocean can have geocoordinates, why can't congressional districts, telephone area codes, and ancient lakes? It's not like the case with storms because those other things have definite agreed upon physical locations.--—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

With the Atlantic, the coordinates make it meaningful - any mapping site will show the ocean. A map is meaningful for congressional districts, area codes, and lakes; geocoordinates that point to a random location inside such things which are invisible on mass maps like Google Maps are not useful for those cases. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I still do not understand the logic of your point. What differentiates a "random point" in the Atlantic Ocean from one in Area code 203 or Connecticut for that matter? If it's a scaling issue, that's why there's a parameter for that in the template. Our mission isn't to be a supplier of content to Google Maps, so a coordinate's lack of usefulness in their Wikipedia layer hardly seems relevent to me. --—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Putting a coord on Atlantic Ocean is not especially useful, but its at the same time at least it is not confusing because the boundaries are clearly visible on map or satellite which identify item. However, area codes don't follow such strict boundries. Within CT there 203, 457, and 860. There are no clear maps which would define where one starts and one ends because after CT expanded from just 203 people who needed new phone numbers got new codes. I know people with one house with two lines, both of which have different area codes indicating the age at which they got the numbers, not the geographical location. Lastly, and this is a stretch (I agree), but VOIP has essentially made area codes irrelevant. My number follows me around the world with Vonage and Skype. Putting a coordinate on an article like this implies a false precision, regardless of how far out the map layer is zoomed.  7  03:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The fact that I've retained the 860 phone number on my cellphone since I've moved to NYC does not change the fact that, for the time being at least, that number traces back to a specific region of Connecticut. Area code borders are very distinct, just ask the residents of Marble Hill, Manhattan about having to switch their area code from 212 to 718 despite the neighborhood being politically part of Manhattan, just not physically. Yes the borders of congressional districts and area codes are changed sometimes, but the same can be said for parks, towns, cities, and nations! The point of the coord template is so that users can click it and get an idea of where in the world something is. Just because you know generally where the 860 area code is doesn't mean someone from California or Sri Lanka does.--—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

It appears that we disagree. While there is specific mention of states and waterbodies, there is no mention of area codes in WP:COORD. Suggest we move further discussion to the project talk page. Regards,  7  04:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#What articles should have coordinates? --—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 04:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding of geodata

Regarding this edit [16] where did you get the co-ordinates from and what is it supposed to be pointing to. Having checked Bing and Google the co-ordinates do not lead to a football stadium. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I got it from the Wikipedia-World databased generated by the geographic coordinates wikiproject on the German-language Wikipedia. Unfortunately, this does not seem to tie up with anything reasonable in this case. I'll investigate. -- The Anome (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for response, I note you'll investigate. However, we don't normally copy data across from other-language wikis do we, as they have different views on notability, inclusion etc and anything being added to the English wiki should be sourced outright? To be honest for an article on a tournament I would not normally expect to have a co-ordinate as they are played at multiple venues, although in this article there is an unsourced comment saying that the matches were held at the same ground but it would still seem consistent to not have a co-ord. Eldumpo (talk) 19:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, have you had chance to look into this any further. Eldumpo (talk) 12:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Lower White River Wilderness geodata

Hello, thanks for adding geodata for Lower White River Wilderness on January 18th. But I`m kind of new to Wikipedia, so I don`t understand what you did exactly. I`m guessing you added the location of Lower White River Wilderness in the world? Please explain if I`m right or wrong about this. MetaCow (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:VIPtemplate

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Add coords to infobox

You are doing a great job with your bot.No doubt. I have been spending (wasting?) time reducing the backlog on page requesting coordinates (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_coordinates). More specifically on lake pages . 30% of the articles have already their coordinates but not in the infobox, leading to false positives.

Would it be possible to move coordinates directly to infobox when available (with (display=it) as parameter)? If it is too "touchy" restricting the bot to pages from Canada, Finland, Estonia would already be a big help as most of the pages are stub pages (1 description line + 1 infobox). Thank you --Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 09:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Categorybrowsebar

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Bondage rope harness

I noticed you placed a merge template on this article, but you didn't say why. I think it ought to be left alone. I oppose merging to rope bondage because it's mostly a Japanese bondage technique, but since it's not strictly so, I think it's best to leave it alone. If you still feel it's worth merging, would you take a few minutes to start the discussion? --Pnm (talk) 02:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested photo for Mecklenburgh Square

You put a Requested Photo tag on Mecklenburgh Square. I took a photo today and put it up on Commons (commons:File:Mecklenburgh_Square.jpeg) and have added it to the article. I've removed the template from the talk page. Enjoy! –—Tom Morris (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! That's really cool! -- The Anome (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

source code

Hi, did you released the bot's source code? I want to develop the same with some changes such as checking coord with google and interwiki after that tag it inside boxes. i appreciated if you release the bot's code.Reza1615 (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Blow-in card

Hello, I'm proposing to redirect Blow-in card to Insert (print advertising): your comments are welcome at Talk:Blow-in card. Thanks, Borkificator (talk) 12:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

RE: 2011 Egyptian protests

I completely agree with you. The discussing has started on the 28th of Jan. with no result and kept popping up and two or three user will discuss it and then another three will discuss in a new section with no result. It was going nowhere. I asking admins to step in otherwise, this will never end. We need an admin right now. If you know one please, speak to them. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm an admin. Although I'm in favour of the move, it would be inappropriate for me to move the article just because I think it's a good idea -- we need to let the formal renaming process continue, and see what comes of that. In order to do that, we need to keep the discussion all in one place on the article's talk page, and not refactor it anywhere else. -- The Anome (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

OS grid ref -> lat/long

I understand that you have a bot that finds OS grid refs and adds lat/long. Be aware that I have done long-overdue edits (both almost trivial) to template:OS coord to allow spaces in grid refs and to make them non-breaking spaces when displayed. And I have already added spaces to grid refs in many articles. I hope this does not mess up your bot too much.

The program called by OS_coord, coor_g.php is also overdue for overhaul. Would it be possible for me to see the source code of your bot? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Movile Cave lat/lon

I'm skeptical of User:The Anomebot2's recent addition of a lat/lon to Movile Cave. Google Maps places that lat/lon inside the Black Sea. The article states that it is "a few kilometers from the Black Sea coast." I don't have any better data, just wanted to call this out as suspicious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dantheox (talk • contribs)

Agreed. I've removed the coordinates, which were copied from the de: article. -- The Anome (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Ignore coordinates at origin point

I suspect there is a little bug in User:The Anomebot2. It assigned 0,0 coordinates (origin point) to at least 3 articles:

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Lyutoga_River&action=historysubmit&diff=391382788&oldid=278460123

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=H%C3%A2ncu_monastery&action=historysubmit&diff=391339539&oldid=340023198

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=C%C4%83priana_monastery&action=historysubmit&diff=391346004&oldid=339980960

Your code should discard 0,0 coordinates (consider them suspicious and not use them). Bonzon (talk) 15:05, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I do (or try to). These weren't recognized as such because they were in scientific notation, and also not exactly at zero-zero. As far as I can see, these were the only three tags added by my bot which match the regexp "[0-9][Ee]-", so that should have got them all. I'll add some more rules to exclude this type of tag in future -- we shouldn't be using scientific notation in coordinates at all. -- The Anome (talk) 11:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- The Anome (talk) 12:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Geostubs

Hi. I've resumed generating lots of new stubs as I think wikipedia as a resource should be covering very populated place in the world and shouldn't be missing tens of thousands of places. Can you use your bot to dd the coordinates? The Afghan village coordinates are already present on wikipedia in the missing articles pages..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

A reply please?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello! Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Can you give me some links to the missing articles pages containing these coordinates? Have you spot-checked any of them for accuracy? If so, and if I can easily data-mine the coordinates from those pages, I'd be happy to put them into the articles using my bot. -- The Anome (talk) 12:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. See the pages here I will be creating the Afghanistan and Bangladesh places from this missing article bank which lists all the coordinates. I did check out a few of the villages on google maps and all I looked at were legitimate.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll do Afghanistan and Bangladesh. Burma I will be starting too although that doesn't have any lists on here but should have entries in the geonames database..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I've just double-checked the lists, and found a fair degree of name duplication, which suggests that there are still disambiguation problems -- I've now gone over the lists again, and only generated entries for those articles with only one occurrence in those lists. I've now reverted the edits already made to the articles with questionable coordinates, and will set the bot off again in a moment. -- The Anome (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

OK. I also created quite a lot of villages of places in Saudi Arabia, Oman and Kazakhstan not too long ago which need coordinates...♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

It occurred to me. Can you use a bot to download lists of settlements or something for say a country like Iran onto wikipedia into the workspace?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:25, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Mmm I dunno, there's a LOT of cleanup work needed for Pakistan and India, I'm not sure of how much use these stubs would be in the near future... I might feel like doing some more next week..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Will resume with Afghanistan this week, if not later tonight...♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! -- The Anome (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Resumed on them today and ended up having Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents opened about me so now I've stopped. I had intended to finish the rest of them today too.. Care to comment?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of David Bomberg House for deletion

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Anomebot blacklist

Just a few pages for you to tell Anomebot not to edit, if you would:

• Appalachian Trail - bot keeps changing it to {{Coord needed|Connecticut}} but it is a national trail; appropriate coordinates - endpoints - are in Georgia and Maine
• Blue-Blazed Trails - trail network that doesn't have any centralized location for coordinates

Thanks once again; the bot always keeps me busy with articles to geocoordinate. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! -- The Anome (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Dates in infoboxes

Any chance you might have time to set your bot to this date-template task, please? appeals on BOTREQ have proved fruitless. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Nigeria coords

Hello, the bot has a miserable success rate for coords of towns, LGAs in Nigeria recently; not surprising as there are numerous names corresponding to dozens of places. I will be contributing (accurate) coords, pushpin maps for all the LGAs I haven't already done, and many towns, shortly, so would suggest you shut down the bot in this area for a bit. Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I've now stopped the auto-generation of locations for Nigeria place articles, and rolled back all such geotags recently added by the bot that have not subsequently been altered by other editors. -- The Anome (talk) 06:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Coord missing for "Don't touch my junk"?

Anome bot added a coord missing tag to Don't touch my junk, which makes little sense. [17] Jason Quinn (talk) 14:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting it and fixing it. The simple-minded bot thought it was an airport, because it was listed under Category:Airports in the United States without containing any features that would have hit the blacklist it uses to try to detect non-place articles. Althogh the bot should not attempt to add the tag again, I've re-categorised the article under Category:Aviation in the United States, which is I think in any case a clearer and more appropriate category for this article. -- The Anome (talk) 06:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Bad coordinates for Smriječje

Hello! It looks like your bot's source for coordinates for Smriječje claims that the village is floating in the ocean near the Prime Meridian and the Equator. And Google Maps is faithfully rendering it out there. :-) I have removed this assertion from the English Wikipedia, but the French Wikipedia seems to be taking its lat / lon info from somewhere other than the article itself -- any thoughts on how to fix this? —Hobart (talk) 23:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that: zero-zero coordinates are a real pain to remove, as I'm constantly surprised by how many variants there can be for expressing them (for example, the recent ones that used scientific notation). I'll take a look to see if I can find any similar ones that slipped through. -- The Anome (talk) 09:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

After taking a quick look, the fr: article template (from which the original coordinates were scraped) seems to default to a weird 0.01 degrees when latitude or longitude is missing. This is truly weird. I've now fixed both articles by hand, using coordinates from the NGA GNS database. -- The Anome (talk) 09:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

And, after reviewing my logs, there were 67 similar cases of 00 00 06 N 00 00 06 E coordinates copied from frwiki by my bot. I'll see what I can do to fix these. -- The Anome (talk) 09:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

 Done I've now wound all of these back to {{coord missing}} tags, with the exception of Ljenobud, which I've geocoded. -- The Anome (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

A bit more manual log-grepping revealed a dozen or so more similar errors: however, all of these had already been fixed, by myself or others. -- The Anome (talk) 11:01, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Anome.

Thanks for the message. My intention was for the discussion to happen at the Brogue shoe discussion page. I'm moving your comment there. Thanks. Ch Th Jo (talk) 15:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:AN#Systematic Removal of Links to One Site

A thread has been started about the mass removal of Wisegeeks links which you are involved with. Buttercrumbs (talk) 07:29, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I think you are OK over this one, however I do have a few pieces of advice to go forward:

• For processes sake open a thread on RS/N to discuss the reliability of the source and get wider commentary on the removal
• When you continue to remove links (as mentioned on AN/I) list a specific reason why each is removed (i.e. WP:EL failure, or supporting POV text etc etc.) because that means it is easier to check on the removals
• Check for material that the site is being used to support; remove obvious problem text and for the rest drop a {{cn}} tag.

That way the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed :) --Errant ^(chat!) 15:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Chris TEK O'Ryan deletion

Hello, I'm not a great wikipedia-er so excuse me if I'm writing this in the wrong place. I believe my article on Chris 'TEK' O'Ryan was deleted unfairly. He is a Grammy-Award winning sound engineer (I have seen the trophy) and this can be verified by The Recording Academy. As he was not the artist but the recording engineer there was little or no press about it. He is an industry leader, at the top level of his field and his name is on millions of platinum selling records around the world. He is endorsed by major music software companies such as Waves and Melodyne (see interviews). He was also shown on television recently working in the studio with the top 12 contestants on this years American Idol. I don't understand how he is not worthy of an article.BrittyGirl (talk) 05:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

If you'd like the article to be restored, see Wikipedia:Deletion review for how to get an article deletion reviewed, and potentially reversed. -- The Anome (talk) 22:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Hi. I have a download request. Would it be possible for you to access the PDF/adobe you find at the top of google searching OCHA Afghanistan Settlements Index and download it onto wikipedia but in a fashion that puts the districts /and or provinces in alpha order so we effectively we have a list of villages under each district/province? Is just the vast majority of articles don't know what district it is and the old geonames out of date at times asi found out that some in Sar -i- Pol province used to be in Jowzjan province. If so I can use that as a guide to create them.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm on it. -- The Anome (talk) 11:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, see User:The Anome/Villages in Afghanistan index. Please don't use them yet until I've had a chance to check them with you and fix any errors.

These pages try as far as possible to disambiguate village names down to the province/district level, and omit any entries for villages that have the same name in a single district and therefore cannot be disambiguated. Note that the transliterations in the names do not line up 100% with those used by Wikipedia as standard: if you can identify the mappings that are incorrect, I can go through the list automatically correcting them to Wikipedia standard usage. The same goes for disambiguation formats: if there is a better format, please let me know, and I will regenerate the pages appropriately. -- The Anome (talk) 13:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Updated to fix some obvious transliteration errors: note that things still need further checking. -- The Anome (talk) 13:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, as I thought... I think the transliterations should be UN standard. Can you standardise them? I am aware some of them may be horrifically bad transliterations or way off more general names.. They all need standardising and dabbing, then the district lists can be copied into nav templates and the articles on the districts and I'll start them.. The dabbing convention is here. Don't worry though if that's how you've done it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about the dab convention -- I've seen it done both ways, and wasn't sure which was standard. Presumably Dasht, Kuran Wa Munjan District, Badakhshan would be the format for an article that needs disambiguation down to the district level? -- The Anome (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Dasht, Kuran Wa Munjan, usually.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

OK -- I'll tweak my code to try it that way, too, but first, I'll need to check if there are any two villages with the same name and district name in different provinces: if so, they will have to have the full three-level disambiguation. -- The Anome (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've regenerated the lists -- the first preference is the bare name, if unambiguous, second preference is "name, province" if unambiguous, third choice is "name, district" if unambiguous, and finally, only where necessary, "name, district, province". I found a few duplicates remaining in the list that could not even be disambiguated by that: I have removed them from the output for the time being.

I think it's now as finished as it can get without proper manual work to check up geographic details. Would you like to take one more quick look to double-check? -- The Anome (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine, go ahead.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geographic.org. Would it be possible for your bot to use the UN list you've created to correct the province and add district details? It would be a shame to delete all of the articles when we know they exist. If you could find a way to use a bot to correct them all this at least would be a start..♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Any plan of action yet?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm tied up with off-wiki issues at the moment. I'll try to make some progress on this tomorrow. -- The Anome (talk) 12:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

That would be the best think. Honestly its not that big of a loss, I generated them at the rate of 5 per minute so thats about 6 hours work, hours I'd rather not have wasted most certainly, but sometimes things like this happen with building an encyclopedia. I think with Afghanistan it was probably easier to start again from scratch anyway, with new district templates and create the missing ones at the same time.. Make a bot proposal if you like... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

No idea I'm afraid.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:39, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Any developments?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Look, if you don't want to do it just say so. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:A4540 small tag.jpg

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Coord missing

Hi Anome, I'm still learning the ropes here so I was hoping you could help me understand why a painting should provide geographic coordinate info - or maybe just that it should be included in some sort of Netherlands category. You added to Still Life with Straw Hat and I'm just trying to figure out: what should be done for this painting and well as other articles I'm writing about paintings. Thanks so much!!!--CaroleHenson (talk) 02:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

{{coord missing}} is placed on articles based on their categorisation; this painting was categorised as Category:National museums of the Netherlands which effectively makes the claim that it is a bricks & mortar construction capable of having coordinates ascribed to it. I've removed the poor category and the {{coord missing}}. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! That makes sense. It was one of the first articles I started on my one and I wasn't too clued into Categories then (it's still a work in progress, but definitely better). Thanks for fixing it!--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Clackamas Wilderness

Thank you for adding the geodata with the coord missing to the article. Appreciate it. MetaCow (talk) 01:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States

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Mistaken block

Hi, The Anome, sorry to bother you about something that happened almost a year ago, but Exxolon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is attempting to use the fact that I've "gotten myself blocked ELEVEN TIMES" in a rather tangential context; however, this figure of 11 includes your mistaken block of me in July 2010, as well as one other completely mistaken block, plus nine others which all resulted in unblock. Anyway, I wonder if you wouldn't mind commenting either on his talkpage or in the thread concerned to confirm the total irrelvance of your accidental 'incident' to my track record? Thanks. ╟─TreasuryTag►hemicycle─╢ 14:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- The Anome (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Great, thanks. ╟─TreasuryTag►duumvirate─╢ 10:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Black Poppy

The article Black Poppy has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

long unreferenced article about non-notable advocacy magazine

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Free images for bondage hood

Can you find a free image of an open-faced bondage hood and/or a ponytail hood, because I can't find one. I wasn't using the article as a "coat rack" for just any old pictures. My two picture selections, which you deleted, specifically illustrate the variety of apparel being described in the article. I also cut down on the "original research" and reorganized the text some, so it should be OK now. Word Sliver (talk) 05:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons has a bunch of suitably free images of other sorts of bondage hoods -- see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bondage_hoods and its subcategories -- but I don't think these are what you want. A quick use of other tools to find suitable open-licensed images comes up with nothing. Have you considered making your own image, and uploading it yourself? Cameras are cheap, and all you need is a hood, a broad-minded friend (or a camera with a time-delay and willingness to appear yourself in Wikipedia), and the willingness to go through the necessary processes, including paying attention to any legal issues that may exist. -- The Anome (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Coord missing

Hi, on 18 September 2009, The Anemobot has tagged the article Kurtoğlu Hızır Reis coord missing. Well this article is about a person. How can a person have a geographical coordinate ? Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a mistake. I've added some categories that would have made the bot recognise it as a person article, but the bot should in any case, having logged itself as having changed the article already, not try to revisit the article in future. -- The Anome (talk) 01:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Similar today: Dresdner Kreuzchor, it's a choir travelling in the world. If it has to have coords - which I don't think - take those of Kreuzkirche. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed by hand. The bot shouldn't try to code it again. -- The Anome (talk) 13:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Coordinates for miniature railways

I've just found an article, Echills Wood Railway, in Category:British miniature railways and Category:7¼ inch gauge railways, with no coordinates and no {{Coord missing}} template. More work for your bot? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I've added "miniature railways" to my list of types of structures: they will be detected in future bot runs. -- The Anome (talk) 13:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, for your comments regarding the quality of my improvements to the article Santorum (neologism). Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Artsakh: A Photographic Journey

Hello, you started "We Are Our Mountains", of which this is the most recent version by you before anybody else stepped in. One footnote reads:

Artsakh: A Photographic Journey by Hrair Khatcherian, p.49. ISBN 0-9697620-0-7

There are plenty of alternative sources for the assertion being made here; the article doesn't have to cite this particular book. But it did, and it still does, and more importantly other articles cite it for other assertions. If we click on the ISBN link given here and elsewhere, we're informed that the ISBN is faulty. Worldcat has this item, a trilingual US publication (sans ISBN) that I imagine is the one that you had in mind. But is it? -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI

I replied to you, here diff. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Coords for railway lines

Hi, re this and similar edits: railway lines tend to be long and thin, and some (such as this one) are far from straight. How would I choose suitable coordinates - one end (which one), the mid-point, or the centre of gravity of the polygon enclosed by the railway line and a chord connecting origin with terminus? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest a representative point somewhere in the middle that actually lies on the line itself. -- The Anome (talk) 13:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

A middle point is not always appropriate, and almost never representative. For example, the geodata for Dovey Junction as added for the Cambrian Line, were several major towns along the route would be more appropriate. Quite a few railway line articles already include a table of grid references of major calling points, and most, if not all, stations linked from the article include geodata. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 17:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion ongoing about this issue at WT:UKRAIL#Railway line coordinates. Please could you hold off adding any more templates to UK railway line articles until this has been resolved. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 12:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've now removed all the UK entries containing the word "Line" from the bot's queue. I'll also modify the script that generated this list to block all entries with the word "Line" in, regardless of country, for future runs. Please let me know if you see any more problematic entries.

If you get a resolution for this issue, I'll be happy to re-enable them: just let me know. -- The Anome (talk) 12:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

If your script is case sensitive, then could you treat "line" the same as "Line" please (although most are capitalised not all are, e.g. Piccadilly line). Thank you for the quick response. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- The Anome (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

THe bot was added coords to UK railway lines again today. I have manually removed those on my watchlist, however looking at the contribution list, there appears for be a large number for railway lines in the UK and worldwide been tagged today. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 13:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this. I've rolled all of them back by hand. The same bot, but a different set of heuristics this time that missed the filtering. -- The Anome (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Civil Parish of Winterbourne

An article that you have been involved in editing, Civil Parish of Winterbourne , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Categories on redirects

Hi, re this edit - the categories were intentional. It's a {{R with possibilities}}, because Swanley Junction was not the same as Swanley (they were 420 m apart), so to put these four cats on Swanley railway station would be incorrect. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Gang Stalking rears its ugly head, request expert intervention

Haven't you been involved with related controversies before? Thought I'd give you a heads up.

Check out David_Lawson_(author).

This article has serious problems.

1. The areyoutargeted link is to a personal site.[18]

2. Nevertheless the facts on the linked article[19] check out. There's no evidence the publisher of the books mentioned in this article ever existed as an independent entity. There is evidence the publisher of the books is none other than the author, and that evidence comes from a reliable source, even if that source is cited by a personal site.

3. There is no evidence of notability in this article. David Lawson may be notable but that's not evident in the article.

4. The accusations and counter-accusations of "agents" out to mislead people, and the nature of the claims, make this article look like a crackpot magnet.

5. This article seems like a coat rack for claims that have been deleted before. [20] [21], coming from a single-purpose account.

I think this article is a good candidate for deletion. Kontrol3140 (talk) 20:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

In hand at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lawson (author) --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sock investigation notice

You were previously involved in blocking one of the related socks; please see - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Prince-au-Léogâne. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Prince-au-Léogâne

Hello. I noticed that you filed a fresh case for this user, but placed it in the archives. I've properly filed the case at the link listed above, but require some comments by you as to the reasons for filing a case, due to both accounts being blocked. Thanks. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 11:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

US National Archives collaboration

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The User DEMSAGROUPPR

As your notice I will use my name as a USER. But couldnt find a way to change the username instead I use my personal USername as Atifunaldi. So we can retire the DEMSAGROUPPR user. But unfortunately I couldnt how to retire a user. Can you please help me for that... Regards

The User DEMSAGROUPPR

As your notice I will use my name as a USER. But couldnt find a way to change the username instead I use my personal USername as Atifunaldi. So we can retire the DEMSAGROUPPR user. But unfortunately I couldnt how to retire a user. Can you please help me for that... Regards - 213.74.124.18 (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)Atifunaldi

Coordinates for a transit-system?

Regarding this edit, what does "coordinates" mean in respect to a miles-long subway line? DMacks (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

See #Coords for railway lines above, also the related WT:UKRAIL#Railway line coordinates. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:55, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

FOIA material, Stalking article, Source cite

Hi, Thanks for requesting a more complete citation. Per your request, "original source" information has been added. Please advise. Thank you. Elizabeth Blandra (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 09:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Blair Peach

I've reverted this edit of yours. It is true that people don't in general have coordinates, BP is notably mainly for having been killed by the police on a certain Southall street corner. I think readers will tend to grok the meaning of the coords. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Ships

I see that you have added coord missing to all (or is it all?) ships. By their nature they move about. Although some have notable locations such as a rescue and some sink. But just what coord do you have in mind? - Lugnad (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The place of the sinking or rescue. I've tried only to add ships that were the subject of such events. If I've tagged any significant number of ships which weren't, please let me know, and I'll try to do another bot run to untag those. Otherwise, if they are few and far between, I suggest you just untag them when you see them. -- The Anome (talk) 12:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

OK Lugnad (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

A Suggestion?

While your comments on the "vulgar" issue ARE relevant to the "Weasel Word" discussion, they are probably (IMHO) MORE relevant to the overriding vulgar "content" issue which remains unresolved. May I suggest that you refactor your comments to that section so that 1. the section doesn't get archived prior to resolution (I may do that myself with the posing of a WP:UNDUE question) 2. It may reignite discussion on that subject leading to resolution? Your consideration is appreciated. JakeInJoisey (talk) 13:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

New articles and socks from User:Prince-au-Léogâne

I recall that you were working on a new edit filter related to this blocked user's frequent article creation on the same subject (himself). I thought I would bring to your attention a new article and a few new socks from the last few days (a new SPI has been opened):

• JP (rapper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• YouthFoundationofUSA (talk · contribs)
• DiscMasterFL (talk · contribs)

Hope that helps. Singularity42 (talk) 11:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That certainly seems to have triggered my filter: I've now activated it to block edits matching its pattern. -- The Anome (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Pulvulveriser

D'oh. I'd noticed the vulva, so to speak, but missed the pulveriser. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Mystic Beings

How did this come about? Or, to put the question more generally: are you sure you should geobot anything that is in a subcategory of Category:Deities, spirits, and mythic beings or Category:Mythological_characters ? -- Theoprakt (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Agh! The bot had picked the coordinates up from the German-language Wikipedia article. I had thought I had sufficient checks in place to stop things like that from happening, but I was wrong: the bot currently checks for the words "gods", "goddesses", "deities", "legend", "legends", etc. etc. but not "demons". I'll add a few more keyword cut-off tests to stop that from happening again. I've now also checked for other tagging within the category trees you suggested, and removed a more few misplaced {{coord}} and {{coord missing}} tags by hand. Everything else seems to be OK. -- The Anome (talk) 11:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Geodata missing in Routes?

Hi, The Anomebot2 added a missing geodata template in Ruta Interbalnearia. I am not sure if this is a mistake or not. I know about cities and places, but how does one add geodata to a highway? Is there some special template to show 2 geodata for the beginning and the end of a road or what? Hoverfish Talk 17:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

This is essentially #Coords for railway lines (earlier) in another form. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Here's my five cents: I do not think it is practical to give coords for a middle point of Routes. I have looked around a bit and the only place I happened to find such coords is in Bundesautobahn 2. In this example there is an important junction in a city near the centre, so it makes sense, but in some Routes like Route 10 which consist of 3 or more separate fragments, defining any "central" point on them is too arbitrary. Also some routes are important and wide for a part of their length only, so their "middle" is not anything to go by. I would be happy with 2 points, but I know this is not practical in searching. I think an important destination (city or big town) somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of their length should be picked. But cases like Route 10 need more coords, maybe inline. Hoverfish Talk 22:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I have brought up the issue in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#"Missing" coordinates for roads and railways? hoping to get some useful feedback or ideas. Hoverfish Talk 20:20, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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"santorum" consensus

The Anome, as you're probably aware, I've instituted a process to, hopefully and credibly, NPOV resolve remnant hotbutton issues and would appreciate any consideration you might care to offer as a prior contributor to that discussion. Any credible resolution will require significant editor input and your observations would be appreciated. Thanks for your consideration. JakeInJoisey (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Villa I Tatti

Hello, in the first sentence is mentioned the location of the villa: on the border of Florence and Fiesole. In fact even though the distance between Fiesole and Settignano is minimal it would be better to say: on the border of Florence and Settignano. Regards Kalaharih--Kalaharih (talk) 12:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

London borough ISO codes

Hello, I've noticed you added the ISO code "LON" to some articles in Greater London. ISO 3166-2:GB only seems to specify codes for individual boroughs. (I've added these to Category talk:London articles missing geocoordinate data). The borough boundaries can be found in purple on Bing Maps, if you switch to "London Street Map", sometimes you need to zoom in a bit. If you let me know I'm happy to add borough ISO codes or to verify any British coordinates. Incidentally I suspected that that corner was the location of Will's Coffee House but wasn't bold enough to geocode it. Grim²³★ 12:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I clearly mis-remembered the GB-LON thing -- fortunately, I've only done a few of these -- trying to be too clever, I'm afraid. I'd greatly appreciate your help in putting the right codes in for these. Regarding Will's Coffee House: I found a quite specific second source for that location via one of the links given in the article, so I'm pretty sure it's the right place. -- The Anome (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Update: I think you've got them all. Thanks for fixing them, and for adding the appropriate codes to the category talk page. -- The Anome (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, if you intend adding region codes for London boroughs to the {{coord}} for London railway stations, please note that most such articles don't have a visible {{coord}}. Instead, they often specify the coords by means of |latitude=|longitude= in the {{Infobox London station}}. In such cases, the |coord_region= parameter is now available, see for example Kentish Town station. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Your block on "YOU SHOULD VISIT THIS RIGHT NOW!!!!"

It was apparent that this user is a vandalism-only account, but have you known that his usnername is quite disruptive? StormContent (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

You're quite right that the username is borderline disruptive, but since they had already qualified for indefblocking as a vandalism-only account, it didn't seem necessary to add that to the block at the time. -- The Anome (talk) 13:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Geotagging question

Despite my best efforts, I've been unable to find the coordinates for the Ridgeway Site: it's a specific little spot somewhere on a rail line between two villages, 3 miles apart. Is the "coord missing" template appropriate, since they're missing, or is it inappropriate, since I believe that no reliable source has that information? Nyttend (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Coordinates missing for Paddle steamer Stadt Zürich!!!

On 5 July 2011, the Anomebot2 added the {{coord missing|Switzerland}} tag to the article Paddle steamer Stadt Zürich. As the name suggests, this article is about an operational ship, so the coordinates are not so much missing as (short of WP integrating with some kind of tracking system) unknowable.

I've removed the template. I don't know what criteria the bot uses in deciding whether the concept of coordinates applies to a particular article, but it may be worth re-evaluating them in the light of this error. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Not much mystery. Anome's bot parses categories - in this case one of category:Visitor attractions in Zurich or category:Cultural property of national significance in the canton of Zurich, I guess. Occasionally it gets false positives. My view is that we should get out there and sink the damn ship in a permanent sort of a way to spare the bot's blushes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thats ok, but is there anything I need to do to stop the bot retagging the article next time around?. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

The bot tags articles only once, so you need have no worries on that score.

Interesting -- I know this started off as a joke, but it would be quite possible for us actually implement some sort of tracking system, if there was an authoritative web service available for a given article subject. For example, if the paddle steamer registered with Google Latitude, it would not at all be beyond the wit of man to create a template {{coord url}} that would (with a bit of help from some PHP or Javascript code) use the access of that URL, either Mediawiki server-side or JS client-side, to fill in the coordinates on the page. -- The Anome (talk) 10:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

It was only half a joke. It might be worth doing if there were enough article to which it could be applied. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Mmm. There are a number of commercial services tracking the lat & long of vessels - http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ for instance. It would be an interesting thing to do, in the unlikely event that we could get permission. Actually, digging only slightly deeper www.marinetraffic.com looks like it is a university led consortium scraping and displaying Automatic Identification System information. Possibly they might be amenable to a liaison with wikipedia. The lead university - or at least, the host - is the Department of Product & Systems Design Engineering - University of the Aegean ... we might need to find a Greek speaker to liaise with them. I'm finding their website lacking in English information. See also [22], fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:23, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

All you need is an MMSI, and you can just give a link using a template like this: MMSI number: 210478000 (source: {{MMSI|210478000}}). -- The Anome (talk) 00:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

But it would be more fun by far to be able to query MMSI each time the page is loaded to display to coords, rather than merely offer a link to a third page which has the coords. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it would indeed! -- The Anome (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I recently approached marinetraffic.com about possible collaboration and opening up their data; they didn't reply and mails to their moderated list were silently dropped. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Bot edit summaries

Could you please take a look at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#General notice to bot owners about edit summaries and see if the suggestions might apply to your bots? Feel free to add your own suggestions and comments there too. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the changes that I made to the Stalking article

Anome, I updated the link to the stalking report again -- the address that was referenced was an old one... and was still dead when I checked it. (The only working link that I've been able to find is one from the NCVC's site: http://www.ncvc.org/src/AGP.Net/Components/DocumentViewer/Download.aspxnz?DocumentID=45862 (There are a couple of notes on my talk page that I left for you earlier. I appreciate the help and suggestions and hope that the NCVC link is acceptable.) The SVS link is problematic, it would seem. I can't access it via the Wayback Machine -- I get the following message: "This is a known malicious web site." So I'm stumped... Thanks for consolidating and thereby providing examples. I knew that the duplication was problematic, but hadn't yet tried to figure out how to eliminate it. Elizabeth Blandra (talk) 18:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll take a look again, and see what I can find. -- The Anome (talk) 19:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The download link at http://www.ncvc.org/src/AGP.Net/Components/DocumentViewer/Download.aspxnz?DocumentID=45862 appears to serve the same 16-page document, reference NCJ 224527, as http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svus.pdf , which is also the link given at the bottom of the text in http://www.nsvrc.org/publications/reports/stalking-victimization-united-states . I can confirm that, from my part of the net at least, neither of these is a dead link. It's interesting to notw that, in spite of being the same document, and having apparently identical metadata, the two PDF binary files are quite different in size. One of them appears to bundle many more fonts than the other, which might account for this difference.

Regarding the link at http://web.archive.org/web/20110828151246/http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svs1_06.pdf : the Internet Archive is quite reputable, and I would be surprised if it was serving malware for that link. However, the Archive will necessarily contain large amounts of content mirrored from many sites. It's possible that some of this mirrored content may have set off the malware detection on your, or your provider's, antivirus or firewall software, resulting in the entire site being listed as such.

Given this possibilitiy, I wonder if it might be possible that your anti-malware software, or firewall, might also be the cause of one of the previous links seeming to be dead? -- The Anome (talk) 20:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Anome, Thanks for the information -- I'm still trying to figure out why I can't access the bjs.ojp... link. (I'm using Norton which I just reregistered the other day, but even after disabling the firewall, I wasn't able to access the bjs.ojb.usdoj.gov link, so I don't know...) I found another link on the doj site by going another route: http://www.ovw.usdoj.gov/docs/stalking-victimization.pdf. I'll see what I can figure out and let you know. Thanks again for your help. Elizabeth Blandra (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Clarification of consensus issue

In this archived discussion it is claimed that, in this other archived discussion, "the consensus has been to avoid geocoding the articles until a satisfactory way to display the coordinates without cluttering the articles is found.". I wonder whether, as a participant in the latter discussion, you could kindly say whether or not that was your conclusion at its end, and if so, on what grounds? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:49, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I think the discussion failed to reach a definite conclusion in either direction. I like the idea of geocoding termini -- it makes a lot of sense. -- The Anome (talk) 12:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Steve.museum

Hi, can you explain your bot's edit here? It's a virtual project that spans various museums. What geodata does it need? Thanks. StarM 02:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. It's a false positive, caused by the bot's simple-minded interpretation of the categories the article was listed in, and the absence of a suitable rule to prevent it from being mis-tagged. I can't immediately think of a simple, effective, rule to have caught this particular case, and I think this incident is probably a one-off for this type of article, so I've just rolled back the edit for now. -- The Anome (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Just wanted to be sure there wasn't some needed tag that I was missing. Thanks for the explanation. Have a good night StarM 01:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Goethe–Schiller monuments

Coordinates missing for several monuments? In Germany and the US? Can't be solved, imo, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Perhaps separate articles for Goethe–Schiller Monument (San Francisco), Goethe–Schiller Monument (Cleveland), Goethe–Schiller Monument (Milwaukee), Goethe–Schiller Monument (Syracuse) and Goethe–Schiller Monument (Anting)? -- The Anome (talk) 16:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

(ec) Thanks for the thought. Well, I'm not the author, just the DYK reviewer. I personally don't think separate articles are good in this case (additional yes, but not instead), connecting feature is what they have in common, and there are several more than the ones you mention ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I think I've solved it. I've moved the main article to Goethe–Schiller Monument, based on the article's main focus being on the original, earliest such monument (the one in Weimar), of which there there can only be one. The others are copies or later castings from the same mould, and thus dealt with as sub-topics in the article about the main object. -- The Anome (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

You found an interesting solution for the fact "... that San Francisco, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Syracuse all have Goethe–Schiller Monuments that are modeled on the "beloved" 1857 monument to the poets (pictured) in Weimar, Germany?" - I guess that article will be moved a third time, but not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

It's extremely arguable either way. I'd like to maintain that all the others are all Goethe–Schiller lower-case "m" monuments, from the global perspective: they're only Goethe–Schiller capital-M proper noun Monuments in the scope of their own city. The global capital-M Goethe–Schiller Monument, to my mind, is the platonic ideal of the thing, with its original instantiation being sited in Germany. -- The Anome (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Turkey

Hi. I'm currently stubbing Turkish villages. Will require assistance from your bot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Let me know when you're done, and I'll schedule a bot run to geocode them. -- The Anome (talk) 11:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm working through them a province at a time. There are 26,000 to start so it will take a few months.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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Where-geo

{{Where-geo}} may be of interest; note use on Bruce Bairnsfather. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Chop suey / User:Gisling

Thanks for your intervention! --Macrakis (talk) 15:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Open-quotes-icon.png listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Open-quotes-icon.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Marshallsumter

I have to admit, Marshallsumter's egregious disregard for copyright has been sticking in my craw all week. Seems to me the only way to get both him and his arcane "project" shut down for good is to get the Foundation to intervene at Wikiversity. I know this sounds strange coming from a former admin (albeit one who hopes to get his bit back soon), but would it be too much if I got ahold of one of the Foundation muckety-mucks and get them to do something? This is as bad, if not worse, than Primetime in my book. Blueboy96 11:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

You might want to have a chat with User talk:Mdennis (WMF) who is a) very knowledgable on copyright and copyvio - it's her main area of private work for wikipedia and b) the current Community Liaison for the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm not sure what the Marshallsumter issue is all about, but from the few lines above, her name immediately springs to mind. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. -- The Anome (talk) 14:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Blocking users with "Kafir" in their name

Why did you block only User talk:KafirNL and not User talk:Kafir as well? - 85.151.236.44 (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Because I didn't know about User:Kafir at the time, and it had not come onto the radar of the automated detection system, which was created long after the account was registered. The account also hasn't been used since 2007, so I wouldn't imagine anyone would be incovenienced by blocking it. Nevertheless, I have done so, for the sake of consistency.  Done -- The Anome (talk) 23:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Soldier From Tomorrow

Thanks for starting the article. I've added a bit of basic plot. Remember, this is from the story so details, minor and major, are different. Best. Sir Rhosis (talk) 16:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

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This is in regards to your comment on my talk page, which I've only just noticed http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:82.10.203.103

Thanks for your patronising comments. That's really helped me, and has restored my faith in the helpful tone used by WP editors. I was under the assumption that WP users were unaware of their ability to add, edit or delete information from articles (I must say, having had an account here and editing and creating articles frequently from 2005 to 2010, I simply did not know that. Though the fact that I am now editing as an "IP Address" means I must be oblivious to the way WP works, or else simply cancels out my ability to ask a question and/or point something out without having to edit an article). But I'm glad you've cleared that up! --82.10.203.103 (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hi there! The bot added a "coord missing" tag to the town of district significance article; however, the article is not about one specific place, it's about a concept. I reverted the bot, but something probably needs to be done so it doesn't try to re-add it. Can you look into this, please? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 16, 2011; 20:22 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. The bot keeps a log of all the pages it edits, and should not try to edit a page again (with some very specific exceptions which do not apply here) after one of its changes has been reverted. -- The Anome (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that's good to know. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 16, 2011; 20:31 (UTC)

I placed a comment in Talk:Mitzpe Yair re the coordinates which you inserted in Dec. 2010. Have a look, please. --@Efrat (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've replaced the coordinates by the ones you gave in your comment. -- The Anome (talk) 12:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Happy to help. --@Efrat (talk) 08:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Are All Men Pedophiles?

Hello The Anome. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Are All Men Pedophiles? to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

bot

The bot has inserted coordinates for a few Iranian village articles I have created. In each case, the coordinates were wrong. They are well out of the range of the districts or even counties in which the village lies. I have access to the GNS data, and while I am not foolproof, I do check to see if there is data for the place (many of which have the same or similar names) before concluding there isn't at GNS. Please refrain from adding erroneous coordinates to articles. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm aware of the issue of multiple places with the same or similar names, and filter and cross-reference the GNS and Wikipedia article data sets to try to detect multiple articles/places with similar names to prevent this. In this case the similar-name checking seems not to have worked properly. I'll roll these edits back, and add Iran to the list of countries not to be automatically matched in future. -- The Anome (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. I've listed all the locations in Iran automatically geocoded in the last few days: I can see only four, (see User talk:The Anome/Fixing Iranian location data), all of which you have fixed already. I've changed the main GNS-matching script to filter out Iranian locations, so this particular type of error should not occur again. -- The Anome (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that and your prompt response. :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, would your wonderful bot be able to address the Category:Wikipedia infobox lake articles without coordinates? Some of those articles already have coordinates, just not within the infobox. So it would be a simple copy&paste and adding "display=inline,title" parameter to {{coord}}. Thanks! Renata (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar

It took only about 10,000 instances of geocoding for someone to notice. :-) I find it restful when I want to engage in something relatively mindless and repetitious (though it has improved my geographical knowledge considerably). Deor (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thank you for the barnstar. Added coordinates to Aimi station as well now. Let me know when you need again some Japanese coordinates. bamse (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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December 2011

In general, a person or organization added to a list, as on Snowmobile, should have a pre-existing article to establish notability. If you wish to create such an article, please confirm that your subject is notable according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Srobak (talk) 13:57, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for reverting your recent experiment with the page Snowmobile. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox instead. Thank you. Srobak (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

bot are stoop!d : one more proof

this providence rhode island building is in belgium?, bravo! - 84.226.97.100 (talk) 07:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for picking this up! You're right, individual bot passes are indeed stupid, and sometimes egregious errors like this will fall through the gaps in error checking. However, they're only part of the bigger picture, which includes community oversight from individual editors and a variety of different data-driven consistency checks being applied asynchronously by numerous project participants. Although errors like this are not intended, you are part of this process. Because you picked this up, the coordinates in three different Wikipedia language editions are now fixed.

This looks like a cut-and-paste error from an huwiki participant that escaped the cut-and-paste-edit filter that would normally catch this sort of thing -- I will go in search of what went wrong, and see if I can find similar errors. -- The Anome (talk) 11:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Or you could just not let your bots wander aimlessly and blindly around, resulting in the multiplication and propagation of these types of errors. Looks like it is time to reel them in a bit. Srobak (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

You are quite right that individual bots are stupid. However, the overall result of the collective action of the entire geocoding project and geocoding bot ecosystem is far from being so.

Just to give you some context, the particular interwiki coordinate copying sub-task you are complaining about has done 59,214 similar edits to date, out of a total of 694,184 total edits across all of its tasks. This is just one of many different bot-sub-tasks, involving tagging articles automatically from a variety of sources, or, where not possible, marking them for human attention using {{coord missing}}, refining and sorting those tags, and removing them when the articles are geocoded. I have received a couple of dozen complaints about that particular sub-task to date, all of which have resulted in my clearing up the problem manually, inspecting for similar types of error, and correcting those either using an automated run, or by hand if necessary. Moreover, I don't just wait for complaints: I proactively manually spot-check the bot's edits to try to detect such errors before other editors see them.

Furthermore, together with the other participants in the geocoding project, I periodically batch-analyze geodata from dumps, automatically checking them for internal consistency and a wide variety of anomolous conditions, and also run periodic queries using the API to detect particular classes of false-positives and false-negatives. It is likely that the error you detected would have been caught within a month or so by one of those sweeps.

Any automated system, no matter how intelligent, has both Type I and Type II errors -- see the article receiver operating characteristic for more insight into why this general phenomenon exists. Unfortunately, this means that occasional error-propagation is inevitable -- but it will always, I believe, eventually end up being caught, and the bot mechanism is carefully designed so that the same error will not happen twice. Stopping running the bot would indeed have prevented a few dozen transient errors, but it would also have prevented the addition of tens of thousands of good coordinates.

Perhaps counterintuitively, breaking the bot activities down into a cluster of loosely-coupled activities is actually a much better design than attempting to write a single highly complex uber-bot. In my opinion, the fact that transient errors are visible, and that bot actions are simple enough to be comprehensible, is actually a benefit, not a problem, as it keeps the system transparent and open. Geocoding could easily have been something put in a database table of its own, attended to only by a class of high priests with low-level access to the database: instead, Wikipedia's design led to a process in which this coding occurs in open wikitext, fully logged at every step of the way. As a result, you get to see how the sausage is made, and it's sometimes not pretty.

I suppose it comes down to a matter of philosophical approaches to the getting of knowledge. Wikipedia's general approach is not one of zero defects in a closed system, but one of kaizen in an open system. I have a simple criterion for whether geobot activities are good: do they raise, or lower, the average quality of coordinate data on Wikipedia? Based on several years of activity at this task, I have no doubt that the current bot activities result in an substantial overall gain of information quality across the entire Wikipedia project, with the bot-generated error rate, measured over the whole process, including the detection and clean-up of those errors when found, being substantially less than the error rate of human-generated edits.

If you can work out a process with a lower (or even zero) error rate, or a higher hit rate, you are more than welcome to join the geocoding project and help us! -- The Anome (talk) 14:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing to geocode on snowmobile - yet the bot did. Better to do these sorts of things by hand. Srobak (talk) 14:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for volunteering! We can always use more manual geocoders. Please see WP:COORD for our project page. There are currently 167,986 articles needing geocoding: please see Category:All articles needing coordinates for the (mostly bot-maintained) list. Also, http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/File_viewer#log:coord-enwiki.log has an auytomatically-generatred list of badly-formatted tags for human attention. I look forward to seeing your edits.-- The Anome (talk) 15:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Apparently you and your bot share the same comprehension problem and like to generate non-applicable output - but thanks anyhow. Srobak (talk) 15:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

91.197.170.85O was blocked in error

This is an obvious misunderstanding, because my username, 91.197.170.85O, looks like MY IPv4 address 91.197.170.85 (talk) 15:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC).

Assume good faith

Monmouthpedia

Hi Anome

Just wanted to say thanks for your work on articles relating to Monmouthpedia, I've started a gallery on the Wye Bridge article. We'll be starting the Charles Rolls Challenge soon (in a similar vien to the Wright Challenge so should get a lot more photos to add to articles.

Thanks again

--Mrjohncummings (talk) 18:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

A decade of contributions

Hey, Anome. You've been on this project for as long as me! :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 05:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ed! It's good to hear from another old-timer. Happy New Year! -- The Anome (talk) 06:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Proposal to shut down WP Geographic Coordinates & ban coordinates on wikipedia articles

This means you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Merger at Unintended consequences

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Template:MMSI

Hi Anome, I see you created {{MMSI}} about a month after I created {{MMSI Number}}. I'm wondering if you might agree to combine the two, since they do identical jobs...I've already adopted mine to link the number to Marinetraffic, and it additionally auto-categorises articles into Category:MMSI Number. — Huntster (t @ c) 20:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Sexual addiction article response

Hi The Anome -- yes, I can stop pushing the Certified Sex Addiction Therapist link -- which happened twice, right? I was mainly trying to prevent getting an orphan tag for this new article, which was created to satisfy your earlier comment. It's fine with me that the relevance of CSAT is mentioned anywhere in the article.

Also I created a page for International Institute of Trauma and Addiction Professionals but I got the name of the article wrong - it should be International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals -- "for" instead of "of" - What can I do to fix the name of the article? TBliss (talk) 00:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it for you. -- The Anome (talk) 10:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking time off from circuits to help TBliss with addiction. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Location of {{coord}} or {{coord missing}}

Following the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Placement_of_.7B.7Bcoord_missing.7D.7D, could you confirm just where Anomebot is putting the {{coord missing}}: before DEFAULTSORT, but before or after PERSONDATA? (They will rarely co-occur, but it needs to be in one place or the other in the list at WP:ORDER so we may as well agree!). PamD 09:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It puts it before the first instance of either a category or DEFAULTSORT, whichever comes first, and is not programmed to do anything related to the {{Persondata}} template regarding ordering.

However, you are right that the two should not co-occur, at least where added by the bot: the bot is programmed to avoid tagging any article that is related to a human being, alive or dead, guided by the presence of categories mentioning "birth", "death", "people", etc.: I've now also added a check for the regex "\b[Pp]ersondata\b" in page content as yet another heuristic for detecting articles about people. Thanks for the idea! -- The Anome (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

thank you

I don't know if you remember (me), but I just wanted to thank you for being such a good sport yesterday. I really appreciate your time, keep up the good work preventing spam and vandalizm. 132.66.82.7 (talk) 13:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I look forward to your constructive contributions in the future! -- The Anome (talk) 00:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Tuyau

Thanks for flagging it. The article is definitely a mistake. The correct term is trompe. I added my vote for deletion. Ray Van De Walker 07:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've deleted the article, and changed all links to it to point to the correct article now. -- The Anome (talk) 10:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Purpose of Anomebot2 edits?

At National Library of Aruba, The Anomebot2 added Template:Coord missing with this edit. What is the point of this? Is there a maintenance category somewhere containing all pages with that template? Does the bot later go back to that page and try to fix it or is there another bot working through all pages using that template? Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/The Anomebot2 doesn't really seem to answer that question. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed there is such a category, and yes, the bot also tries to fix it. Because Aruba does not have its own subcategory, it will be under Category:Unclassified articles missing geocoordinate data. There are maintenance categories for all large countries, and, for some of the larger countries, sub-categories for regions within those countries. See Category:Articles needing coordinates for the top of that category tree.

These are "hidden" categories, not visible to most users. Many other similar categories exist for similar tracking purposes. If you can't see these hidden categories on articles, you can enable them using the "Appearance" tab in your preference page.

The bot is just part of the overall geocoding ecosystem. Multiple people scan these lists, and systematically work at adding geocodes to articles in the lists for countries that they have a particular knowledge of or interest in. About 50-75 articles typically get geocoded by hand this way per day, perhaps 20-25,000 per year. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates for the project coordinating this, and other, geocoding work. The bot also tries to add coordinates itself where possible: for example, it added the following coordinates in the last two days: [23] So far, in addition to helping orchestrate community effort in manual geoding, the bot has itself autonomously added geocodes to over 200,000 articles from a variety of free/public domain databases in the roughly five years it's been running.

Moreover, the perception, based on the high level of geocoding, that all relevant articles should be geocoded has, I believe, lead to a perception amongst new-article authors that they should also follow this example when they create articles. As a result, most articles the bot encounters are now already geocoded, with perhaps 80% of eligible new articles now geocoded.

-- The Anome (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for this detailed answer. That is what I would call good customer service. Much appreciated. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Climb every mountain!

Please take a look at this thread, where a bot would help on my journey. Any ideas? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 18:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear The Anome,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Bipolar Disorder

Hi there,

I do a bit of editing as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disability, and as it happens - Bipolar Disorder is one of the most popular articles in the project (by views). I'm looking into the possibility of putting the article forward to GA and I wondered what your thoughts were on the matter (as you're the editor with the most recent edits on the article)

Cheers,

Fayedizard (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea to me. The article has certainly been polished extensively over the years, and is properly sourced and cited because of the various controversies that have flowed over it. Bringing it up to GA status would help make it even better. -- The Anome (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for your comments - I'll give it a bit of a going over as an ongoing thing and probably nominate it very soon :) Fayedizard (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

unblock on hold at User talk:Stupiddle

I have to tell you I don't believe this to be a blatant violation of the username policy warranting a no-warning indef block. They are appealing it and I am strongly inclined to grant their request. At best this should have gone to WP:RFCN for discussion, their one edit appears to have been done in good faith and the supposed offensive nature of the name is extremely mild no matter how it is interpreted. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It reads as a contraction of "stupid" and "piddle". I'm afraid I still see that as being blockable. I'll take a look at the RFCN. -- The Anome (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

#453

Good change, but I revdel'd your comment so that our friends don't see what the filter is now blocking. Again, thanks for being WP:BOLD! NawlinWiki (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! -- The Anome (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

And to answer your question, I just copied the structure from filter #58. When in doubt, I use something that I already know works from another filter.  :) NawlinWiki (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Note

I think I've figured out how the vandal was bypassing the filter, and I've added code to prevent this to filter #422. Cheers, and hopefully this will now stop! Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you. I wondered how they were doing it, in spite of the various filter patterns I was trying: that was driving me crazy for a bit. -- The Anome (talk) 13:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

...and true to form, I'm now getting spammed with password reset emails. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)