User talk:Targaryen/Archive 2011

Template changes

In case you are interested: User talk:C mon#Template:Historical Dutch political parties. Whaledad (talk) 23:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Retired?

Why? You did some good work here! You will be missed. --Whaledad (talk) 23:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, never mind. This is probably why... --Whaledad (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I decided to reactivate my account today. I sometimes read some articles to Dutch Wikipedia where I'm blocked and the account name gets transferred over there using the global login every time even though I uncheck "Log me in globally" every time. If that is a violation of WP policy please note that I can't help that as they did not block my reading rights on Dutch WP. This is why I posted under my IP address before (which is now listed on my user page). I had multiple accounts before but I intend to only use this account from now, if that's abuse plz let me know. SpeakFree (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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The creator is unknown, He/she was one of the demonstrators on Tienamen square and thus is not likely to come forward even 21 years later. SpeakFree (talk) 19:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rapalje

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Hotel Plaza Grande

Please consider actually searching for something, especially in google books first before placing sloppy tags on new articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I did search for it but only got some travel sites on Google with not any information which would indicate its notability. Just a single mention on the travel blog of the New York Times is not enough (not everything mentioned on a newspaper's site should be regarded as gospel regarding notability). The article was nowhere near to the quality it has now (which it achieved thanks to you, according to the article's history) when I reviewed it. Didn't search Google Books but then that does not seem a primary source for information on hotels to me. SpeakFree (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Brian Deas

Hi. I declined your speedy on this, after some thought, because it does make some assertion of importance, though I agree that with a quick look I didn't find any confirmation. I have put a BLP-prod on it and told the author about WP:V and WP:N. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Situation map

I have copied your request over to Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop.

Please watch that page; it may take time (of course, everyone is a volunteer) - but you are more likely to get help there.  Chzz  ►  07:18, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! SpeakFree (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

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Quesh ball

Unfortunately, you can't A7 a game even though it is one of the greatest loads of twaddle around. It has to be prodded and probably AfDed in the end when the author decides to take the tag off. (db-reason wouldn't work either. I've prodded it. Peridon (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposal

Due to the large amount of photos owned by Associated Press were uploaded to Wikipedia. I suggest creating a new page Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Photos of Associated Press for a well organized discussion about the rationale of these files. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a reasonable idea. SpeakFree (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. Was there a review or anything published about the performance to verify that it actually took place? Thanks! All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Nope, can't find anything on Google.nl and News.google.nl, except for announcements (e.g. http://concerten.ihvzwolle.nl/2011-04/uitburo/53cb0c196eb1497268e70d0b379bedc5.html). That does not imply that there were no publications about the performance in offline (ie pulped wood) publications. S_peakF_ree (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Brian Muir

The customary disambuator for a competetiion driver is 'racing driver', not 'driver'. The former is accurate, that latter could imply a chaffeur or courier for example. --Falcadore (talk) 13:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I looked on List of Formula One drivers to see what the convention would be and the first example I found was Keith Andrews (driver). S_peakF_ree (talk) 13:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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The debate about the Widener image was started on 12 april so within 7 days there should be certainty whether this version will stay or not. S_peakF_ree (talk) 17:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Oops saw that a decision about File:Tianasquare.jpg was made today. So File:Tank Man BBC.png can be deleted. S_peakF_ree (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Winklevoss twin (disambiguation) for deletion

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Re additions to Template:White nationalism

I'm thinking these groups and individuals could be more appropriate to something like a Template:Belgian_far_right. Nevard (talk) 00:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Except they for the fact that they are not Belgian. S_peakF_ree (talk) 00:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, Flemish, or Dutch in the case of those groups that are. Nevard (talk) 01:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I also question the addition of a number of Dutch parties in the "white nationalism" template. You really have to have sources to support this (which I doubt you'll find). All the "Anti-Muslim" categories also seem questionable to me; there is a major difference between anti-Islam/anti-Islamism and "anti-Muslim". The latter implies something which would be far more extreme than most of the parties/groups you have added to the categories. – Bellatores (t.) 01:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Folorn Hope

There been a lot of discussion on the talk page to get this article right, but you've ignored it. You've deleted some reliable sources, although, as you acknowledge, you "don't know what that book says". As a Dutch speaker you will have access to a wider range of sources than many other contributors. If you care to research these, rather than just scrap ones in English that you don't like the look of, that would be helpful. --Old Moonraker (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Forlorn hope translated as "lost heap" just doesn't make any sense. The only well-known phrase known in Dutch is "verloren hoop" which means "lost hope". Books can be untrue as well as any source so I'd want to see a good cited reference not only just an ISBN number before I believe it. S_peakF_ree (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

See http://translate.google.com/#nl%7Cen%7Cverloren%20hoop S_peakF_ree (talk) 18:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Tricky: The etymology is supported by seven references that specifically describe the double meaning. According to WP:SOURCEACCESS it's your responsibility to find them if you want to check. Just saying "books can be untrue" isn't enough, neither is showing us a simple substitution of words from a machine translation. --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

"Old Dutch" is a good point. I suppose you noticed that one of the article's references goes back to 1593? --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

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All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes 9 out of 10 people asked in a vox pop street interview will most likely know what a "premiere" is. But they will probably also know the meaning of the word "opera". S_peakF_ree (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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June 2011

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Article Deletion of Orissa Joint Entrance Examination

May I know, why the the article has been deleted of Orissa Joint Entrance Examination, If u can see the history of it.It has been anonymously edited wrong by some IP 117.205.176.67 which made a vandalism to the article by Redirecting page to Odishajee.com which does not exist at all.Please see to the article before making any edit's.Thank You Whitecirius (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

It initially looked like vandalism to me, sorry for accidentally reversing your contribution. S_peakF_ree (talk) 15:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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Dutch films of the 2010s

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senz

I like that you added the Senz umbrella to the English umbrella page :) --IIVeaa (talk) 23:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I own both the Senz Original as well as the Senz XL. It is a remarkable invention. Other so-called storm umbrella's are just more toughly built than a regular umbrella. They are more suitable for parasailing (in a Mary Poppins fashion) if you aren't heavy enough than for weathering a storm on land. Once the patent of the Senz runs out or the Chinese will start producing it just ignoring international patent laws the original umbrella designs will go the way of the dodo. And yes they were also killed off by the Dutch. ^^ S_peakF_ree (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Van de koele meren des doods (film)

That is excellent work. Thank you. Listen, I'm considering beefing up Nouchka van Brakel and getting all three of them together for one DYK nomination. What do you say? Drmies (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes that would be interesting. BTW: my article on the film is a direct translation of the Dutch wiki. Haven't actually seen it. S_peakF_ree (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Van de koele meren des doods

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

2,900 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Van de koele meren des doods (film)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

994 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nouchka van Brakel

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

565 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Renée Soutendijk

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

4,400 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Kit Osbourne

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Ramesses II

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Belated thanks

Belated thanks for reviewing new article: Scottish Exhibition of National History, Art and Industry. (I dropped out of wiking for most of June, and have only just spotted that you did this) Icarusgeek (talk) 10:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Web view engine

Hello SpeakFree. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Web view engine, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 doesn't apply to "tools". PROD or AFD if you wish. Thank you. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 14:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Prince Henry of the Netherlands

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Small Suggestion ("This user is against strict gun control.")

On your user page, it says "This user is against strict gun control." and the "strict gun control" clause is in red and bold (maybe because it's a link). I know you just added the Second Amendment box, but it really seems like it says you want strict gun control. Because of the red, bold letters. The "strict gun control" clause should probably just be bold and not red, and the "against" clause should be bold (and red). --82.171.70.54 (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Well I think it's clear enough although one might overread the "for". I didn't design it, I copied it from someone else's user page and changed the size because the userbox was too big. Don't remember who I copied it from. S_peakF_ree ^(talk) 22:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not clear at all... If you writing something in bold and red, you're emphasizing something. It's like you're shouting that part, it is the core of the message you're trying to bring across. QUIT us war, NO to turbines, STOP aid, give PEACE a chance, SEPARATE oil and state. What your banner says is: blah blah blah STRICT GUN CONTROL!!! Well, it doesn't matter whether you copied it or not, it's right here, so you can change it at will. I really don't understand how you could possibly think that it's clear enough. It wasn't to me. Anyways, it was just a suggestion, obviously you're free to keep/change things any way you want. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh well, wasn't too bothered with it but I changed it so it also emphasizes "against". Hope you like the new version better. S_peakF_ree ^(talk) 14:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Nam Kee

Hello SpeakFree, I just wanted to let you know that I took a look at your recently created article Nam Kee-- I'm kind of new here myself but let me know if there is any way I can help. Thanks, Amy Z (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcome! Do you have any comments about the article or some information that could be added? I am glad to receive any of your imput. S_peakF_ree ^(talk) 19:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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Royal Navy

There are only 6 destroyers in active service with the Royal Navy: 3 Type 42s and 3 Type 45s. Someone changed it to 7, probably counting HMS Dragon which is now built but not yet in commission. The tally on the Royal Navy page now fits that of the article I've just linked, which is comprehensively up-to-date (a number of long-time editors, including myself, have maintained it for many years now). As for a reliable source: the Royal Navy's list of ships on its website could be used, but is often out-of-date. I honestly can say that Wikipedia's list (in the article just linked) is the best there is on the internet! Individual ships have their commissioning/decommissioning dates referenced, in their own articles/their class's articles, and cumulatively these form the full list. Sorry to be so long-winded, but I hope you can trust the change... if you need a source then the Royal Navy's public list (on their website) could be used, but for some reason I can't load their website at the moment. And as I've said, it's usually a few months out-of-date! David (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

ok thanks for clearing that up. Indeed future ships shouldn't count. They may not even enter active service. S_peakF_ree ^(talk) 23:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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With regards to your request for AWB access, you were already approved. If you're not able to use AWB for some reason, please let me know. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 20:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Err I can't remember applying for it. My memory must have been a bit hazy. Sorry for that. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 20:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 20:40, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal Computer Magazine

Are you sure about that? I vaguely remember (it must have been over a decade ago by know I last read this at my local library) that they used to have the same logo as PC Magazine. Also HUB Uitgevers, runs ZDnet.nl, which is the Dutch version of ZDnet.com, which was ran by Ziff Davis, who publish PC Magazine. —Ruud 18:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, never mind, while typing this I found http://pcmagazine.zdnet.nl/. Is there no relation between the two? —Ruud 18:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

No different publishers. PC Magazine is still available in news stands in the Netherlands the last time I checked (I guess they went online only only in the US), it would be weird if the same publisher sold two magazines with nearly similar names and different logo's. PCM was around over here about 10 years before PC Mag came along (my memory is a bit hazy about that). S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Check the bottom of http://www.zdnet.nl/. It lists both PC Magazine and PCM as HUB's brands. I'm not sure anymore which of the two I used to read though. I guess it's the result of a few takeovers/fusions in the publishing world. —Ruud 18:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Amazing. Weird things can happen when companies merge. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Just leave it. It should serve as attribution regarding Graham Hardy's contributions. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 02:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

L'Auberge (restaurant)

Thanks, the stupidity of this guy really made me angry... Night of the Big Wind _talk 19:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

He really has nominated the restaurant for deletion as being not notable and failing WP:ORG... Night of the Big Wind _talk 21:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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It's beyond retarded that people can't see how non-notable this incident is. But I wouldn't worry too much about it, if it has to go for a 2nd AfD in a few months that fact will be well demonstrated. LoveUxoxo (talk) 01:22, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I trust the closing admin will make the right decision. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 01:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Can't believe it is kept as no-consensus. I wouldn't feel safe studying at Virginia Tech as every psychopath craving fame knows where they have to be. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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Why it is called a life "net"

I will discuss this issue in the article, which is now under slow construction in a sandbox. Structurally, the device was a net. The opaque cover primarily served a psychological purpose. A net is pretty much transparent from 4 floors up. Untrained people find it almost impossible to jump into one. The cover, and the red bullseye, helped people overcome their fears. The bullseye signaled the importance of trying for the middle. The cover also cushioned a bit and reduced injuries due to body parts getting tangled in the net. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah thanks for explaining that. Learned something new then. BTW did you see that YouTube video of the guy deliberately falling off a 4 story building in an inflatable cushion to propose to his fiance? [1] Is that equipment used by fire departments as well or only by stunt people? From what I read a life net requires 16 people to hold it which might be a bit cumbersome. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Fire departments rely now mostly on ladder trucks. The modern ones can reach pretty much as high as the effective limit of the nets, about six floors. However, the crew size is smaller, and it is much safer because the fire fighters can use safety harnesses. Lots if people were injured or killed by falling bodies when using the nets. I have heard of the inflatables, but haven't read a detailed description. They are widely used by movie stunt men, of course. I will look at the video when I'm off work. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

I have read your Sandbox draft. From the Straight Dope article I can see that Hotel Polen must have been one of the last times life nets were used. Maybe you could find more about when the modern ladder trucks were introduced. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 20:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Silveren Seepaerd

Dear SpeakFree,

I couldn't help but notice that your new lemma on the dramatic hotel fire in Eindhoven is a literal translation of the nl-lemma. Don't you think that this should be acknowledged? RJB-nl (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I have done that. I have included the tag {{translated page|nl|Brand in Hotel 't Silveren Seepaerd|version=28677142}} on the article's talk page. This counts as crediting the original author(s) under English Wikipedia guidelines. See Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 22:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I see! Thanks for the swift response! RJB-nl (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion

I assume this[2] deletion is unintentional. Can you fix? Thanks. ScottyBerg (talk) 21:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Somebody rolled it back. You may want to add back yr comment. ScottyBerg (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It's already done. Sorry! I'm using a touchpad which I'm not accustomed to. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 21:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Patent Office 1836 fire

SpeakFree, you removed Category:Hotel fires using HotCat. Apparently you didn't actually read the article or the sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

From what I read the building was an unfinished hotel which was bought by the government and turned into a patent office in 1810. So when the fire took place it wasn't a hotel and in fact never was. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 22:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

You were right. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy to have been of service. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Bed and Breakfast Pension House in Tuguegarao

Yes there has been a major hotel fire this decade. Click here[3] for one that killed 15 people. At present no article has been written on the topic.

Oh and I reverted your undo of my edit at the Hotel Fires template. Go to the talk page for my explanation.- William 23:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The idea is only to add mass casualty hotel fires with their own article to the template. So do write an article about that fire and include it. I did e.g. not add every fire mentioned in History of hotel fires in the United States to the template, only the ones which have an article. I responded on the talk page, Rossiya Hotel is just as valid as any other disaster, it's a bit pedantic not to include it. Inclusion will entice people more to create an article about the fire than if it's absent. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 23:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The Rossiya fire isn't valid for inclusion in the template while there still isn't article on it. Aviation disaster templates don't link to airline or airport articles when there isn't a article on the crash itself.(And those articles have two sentence mentions of crashes) That includes some of the biggest crashes in aviation history when the accident occurred. I didn't see the Winecoff article being written lately and am not changing the rules. How I learned of the template is because I have worked on the Roosevelt Hotel Fire.- William 12:00, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok maybe if I can find the motivation and time I'll write one about the Rossiya fire and maybe one about the more recent fire you mentioned. I assumed you had written the Winecoff hotel article so that was why I was a bit irked about it, sorry for that. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 13:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

On a side note, I'm of a mind to nominate the Penhallow Hotel fire article for deletion under WP:NOTNEWS and WP:GNG. The fire is tragic but only resulted in three deaths. Fires with that number death toll is very common.- William 17:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I was thinking about it as well. The article actually initially said that it was the worst hotel fire in 40 years PERIOD. In the UK they must have been rather lucky with hotel fires (the Worsley Hotel fire, which caused 7 deaths, must have been the worst previously) but it obviously is not true world wide. Regarding the AfD nomination, people can be very pigheaded, my nomination of 2011 Virginia Tech shooting (now renamed to Murder of Deriek Crouse, as it really was just a murder suicide case and not a massacre) resulted in a no-consensus keep, some people thought it was notable just because it took place near the location of the Virginia Tech massacre), so good luck with your nomination. I see it already has been nominated by Drmies. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 22:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Either somebody else's mind works just like mine(That's a scary thought) or the Penallow Hotel fire being AFD right after I mention it is a crazy coincidence. This talk page can be read by anyone and the nominator probably saw our dialogue. BTW my Dad owned two hotels on Long Island in the 1960's and 1970's. I spent a couple of summers doing jobs around the last hotel Dad owned.

The Rossiya fire interests me enough to try doing an article on it but I have other works in progress like this[4], an article about a mostly forgotten golf scandal that I got to take off the shelf and complete.

AFD for deletions for recent aviation disasters see editors come out saying keep for crashes that are going to be forgotten in a few years. Take for instance this[5] a cargo plane crash resulting in five deaths or the Warsaw crash[6]. Deletion was rejected. Both are instances of recentism, cargo plane crashes happen all the time, the Poland crash was a hull loss but as I noted, most hull losses aren't notable. The argument that it was extensively covered in the media is really the video of the landing being played again and again like a broken record. Every Tom, Dick, and non private plane crash turns up with an article now.(Check Aviation Safety Network for how many crashes took place in 1971 and 2011 then look how many in each year has its own article) If not for WP, would any even be remembered in 5 years?- William 23:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I have been working with Drmies (the AfD nominator) on the DYK nomination for my article Hotel Polen fire (which you can could find on the main page today yesterday ^^ ) and I guess he must have read your comments. I created Template:Hotel fires as a result of writing that article and also a few others about hotel fires in the Benelux. I have no connection to the hotel business but I saw the Hotel Polen on fire on television when I was about 10 years old and it fascinated me at the time. I of course wanted to become a fireman ;). I agree about the recentism thing. In decades to come Wikipedia will probably seen as an excellent chronicle for the 2001-20?? era. But Wikipedia shouldn't be a chronicle. If it had been around 30 years ago every short-lived fad of the '80s would probably have had its own article. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hotel Polen fire

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3,600 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Not bad, SpeakFree! Well done! Drmies (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Didn't beat Renee Soutendijk but I can understand that. ;) S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ania Bien

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1,800 views. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 00:26, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

A pie for you!

He, een lekkere appeltaart voor bij de koffie. Gefeliciteerd met je dubbele DYK! Goed werk, SpeakFree. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Hee bedankt. Die ga ik lekker bij de koffie oppeuzelen! :) S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 21:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

GAN for Hotel Polen fire

Hi,

I have reviewed your nomination and made some comments at Talk:Hotel Polen fire/GA1 for you to address. Just little things. Meanwhile, I'll place it on hold for seven days.

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 00:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I made a few more minor changes. I am happy if you are. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm always happy for corrections as English is my second language. :) S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 02:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

L'Auberge (restaurant)

It is a brilliant, cynical article. Unfortunately, it is also unusable. For the fun: Trouw! Night of the Big Wind _talk 02:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll settle for an "amuse" of "uitgedroogde muizenkeutels". Which I will serve to the rat. ;) S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 02:26, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

"Warme oesters in hun schelp met een vinaigrette à la rosé"...hmm. Did you see the prices? In guldens! Ach, de goeie ouwe tijd. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Je kan er nu vast een euroteken voor in de plaats zetten als het niet meer is. Zouden ze ook Zalm op het menu hebben? S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 14:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Nah, ze mogen van mij de oesters houden. Vind ik niets aan. De serveerster van mijn hotel in Donegal Town was geschokt toen ik zei dat het eten niet lekker was, maar na mijn uitleg dat ik de oesters eens wilde proberen en niet lekker vond, herademde zij. Het eten was goed, maar gewoon niet naar mijn smaak. En dus kwam er geen klacht. BTW: de crabclaws kon ik ook niet waarderen. Geef mij maar zeewier Ik heb zowiezo liever eten op mijn bord dan een lading liflafjes. Het ziet er naar uit dat het Michelin gedoe ophoud, dus ga ik maar weer eens schrijven. Heb vandaag net autopatrolled gekregen, dus een zeker iemand kan niet tijden NPP met rare tags aan komen zetten. Night of the Big Wind _talk 14:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• A certain someone? Pray tell--maybe they need a note. Oh, and oysters are delicious: maybe you should be sent back to the kitchen. We have Apalachicola oysters here, and they're great, but the best ones I ever ate were in Portland, Oregon--small and delicious (I was on a job visit and blew my budget on an oyster appetizer). Oh, liflafjes: fantastic word, and it pops op in "Origineel Amsterdams." Almost as good as kliekjes. Drmies (talk) 16:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Maybe. I tend to try something twice, if I do not like it the first time. So, maybe when I deliver you at the Clarinbridge Oysterfestival... What I never tried was Casu marzu. I have seen that cheese move, yuck. I'm not picky, but that was too much for me! Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Life net

Hello,

It has taken me two weeks of fooling around in my sandbox, but inspired initially by your work at Hotel Polen fire, I've now moved Life net to the main space. I'll keep working on it. Holiday greetings to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks interesting. I'll look into it. Seasons greetings to you as well!

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