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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:43, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your comments. You have been polite and non-confrontational; and, I appreciate the work you have done on this page. I will continue studying the rules and will cease to post on the discussion thread until I have begun to contribute. MCMichaelComstock (talk) 19:01, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I've been nothing but polite and non-confrontational, as I've simply tried to help you understand that this has been discussed repeatedly over years, and it won't be changing based on what you're presenting. This is in an effort to save you considerable time as you write very long paragraphs that aren't going to shift the status quo. I'm not some lone voice here just babbling, I'm a decade long editor with advanced permissions and a deep understanding of the project guidelines, as well as a deep involvement in WP:VG and maintaining these lists. -- ferret (talk) 21:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for hearing me out. It happens a lot, in my experience. People come in and propose massive changes to a popular mainstream article like Metallica, when, in my experience, it's best to learn Wikipedia by working on some no name garage band, where the stakes are lower and there aren't a bunch of people telling you what to do. I recommend finding an obscure video game article and working on it while you learn Wikipedia. If you mess up, it won't be that big of a deal. Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Don’t

If you block again I will banned you from wiki forever Kboak7373 (talk) 20:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Please don't threaten to "ban" me. You must know you can't just make an account and start "banning" editors. Stop wasting both of our time with empty threats like that, and start reading and learning about how you're supposed to add sources when you add info on Wikipedia. Its the most basic way concept that shapes how the website operates, and you're not doing it. Sergecross73 msg me 20:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

User:PepeBonus's repeated removal of maintenance templates

Hi Serge. I think I've previously raised this with you but I've asked the user PepeBonus to not remove maintenance templates multiple times, including months ago on their talk page (User talk:PepeBonus/Archive 1#March 2022—stop removing maintenance templates), in regards to copyedits of the articles they have made for various K-pop releases by the band Stray Kids. I just found out they removed the template again in August. This user is one of seemingly dozens of K-pop editors on Wikipedia who sees no issue with almost verbatim copying Korean media's overblown ESL-sounding write-ups of each track on a K-pop act's albums and even when they aren't basically plagiarising, the prose can be janky in places.

I understand PepeBonus might not like a template atop articles they've created but the grammar in places is in need of fixing, and trying to sift through and decipher each weird turn of phrase on the articles they've created and I've come across is not something I want to waste time doing when this user has shown they will come back to the article in a few days or weeks and add more. Clearly I'm not getting through to them and they think time passing is a justification for removing the template. Would you be able to have a word to them this time around? Thanks. Ss112 05:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I've decided to go ahead and just request somebody experienced from WP:GOCE have a look. Ss112 06:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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sent September 29th, as for where to look at the inbox, following another mail about 3 weeks prior, in hope you received? And if you can respond there in private and hopefully help me some more or contact me with another knowledgeable editor? If no further possibility, thanks again for your prior detailed attention, patience, sympathy and help.

Sorry, I'll try to get back to you soon. Sergecross73 msg me 18:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Sure no problem! I'm glad to know you've received and may be available to give more guidance so I know to wait, and maybe even check some technical stuff of my work, even if takes more days or weeks as I see you have plenty of activity to deal with already. Thanks again for your previous help; and for your quick response here and on mail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19E:C5C7:428D:5CFF:FE6F:B12E (talk) 18:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

User:BlaccCrab block evading

Hi Serge. I am 100% certain that 96.244.18.223 is User:BlaccCrab block evading. Firstly, the IP geolocates to Maryland, as BlaccCrab had an infobox on his user page stating he was from; secondly, amongst primarily focusing on hip hop topics he still seemed to particularly like Dierks Bentley and regularly updating peaks on his discography (which this IP has done today and extensively a couple of months ago, when he edit warred with Binksternet on various Dierks Bentley articles), and not only that but the snarky edit summaries [1] and reverting of experienced editors posting on his talk page [2] is entirely characteristic of BlaccCrab before he was blocked (and the other IPs he has used since). If this isn't enough behavioural evidence to block, please privately correspond with Ferret or somebody who has CheckUser data on BlaccCrab (as I know IPs cannot publicly be connected to former/current editors). Thanks. Ss112 03:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Keep an eye on it. I can see it as very possible, but I'm having a hard time on whether or not it's probably enough to do a DUCK block. If he persists, I can at least protect some main targets, as they seem disruptive either way. But they've gone inactive for a couple days so I'll wait on that for now too. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Update: They failed the test. I believe it's him. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 21:44, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Remember me?

Hey again, Serge. About three months ago, after I had used Wikipedia's resources for years I realized that I wanted to give back, so I created an account and began trying to add Action Replay content on Nintendo DS. Since then, I've been learning how the site works and have been improving day after day, to the point now where I have completely rewritten some articles in need of attention, and even written a few short articles from scratch myself (NHDVRA, NHDARM). I just wanted to thank you again for not taking hasty action to block me while I was trying to learn. All I wanted to do was contribute positively and share knowledge, even though it was plain to see that said contributions were ridiculous and completely unfit for an encyclopedia. I frequently think back to the mistakes I made in June/July and wonder how I can avoid making the same decisions again. If you had simply blocked me, I highly doubt I would've had any interest at all in continuing to learn. Point of the story, not to sound stupid or fake or whatever, is that I seriously thank you. Your actions had a positive impact on me, and if I ever had the opportunity to become an administrator in the future, you would be my role model. WhichUserAmI 18:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it's worked out for you. I'm always happy to hear stories like this, where people stick with it after initial misunderstandings. I totally get it. I recall being frustrated to learn in some of my earliest edits that I couldn't use fansites to mention likely songs on an upcoming album. It's unfortunate that much of the rules of Wikipedia aren't necessarily intuitive right off the bat. But thank you for sticking with it! Sergecross73 msg me 19:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Copying content without attribution

Hi Serge. After an editor I've left numerous talk page messages for over the years, Noboyo, created an article on a redirect I started, I've just found that they have copied content from an article they didn't start and have not contributed substantially to, and copy-pasted it as a new article without any attribution whatsoever: from here to here with pretty minimal changes. As I've previously had disputes with this editor, I feel that if I were to leave another talk page message on their several hundred-thread-long talk page, it would get ignored or another snarky reply, so as an admin, would this be worth you warning or saying something to them over? Ss112 16:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Warned, linked them to WP:CWW. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

"List of video game video game soundtracks on music streaming platforms" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect List of video game video game soundtracks on music streaming platforms and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 22#List of video game video game soundtracks on music streaming platforms until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC678 06:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

User editing in tandem with their IP address

Hi Serge. In August, I asked the user Thurlow0391 to not copy without attribution on an article, and they called me a "petulant arsehole" (lol) in return. I didn't even notice until just now, and a user warned them over making personal attacks. They were warned by two separate editors last month for disruptive editing, and I believe they're disruptively editing again recently, clearly in tandem with their IP address, 143.159.0.37, to evade scrutiny or make slightly more contentious edits on the IP. Thurlow0391 and this IP address have both been extensively editing Spice Girls topics recently, as well as the album Homosexual by Darren Hayes (which is I how I found them), and the pattern of speaking on both is exactly the same so I don't think it's in dispute. Personal attacks, disruption, and editing the same pages with two accounts...it's just not a good look from this editor in any way. If a look through wasn't already convincing enough, they just edited Olly Murs discography on the IP then less than 10 minutes later edited Olly Murs on their registered account. Ss112 17:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Warned. Sergecross73 msg me 17:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

False Accusations

Hi, it's me. From the Scrappy stuff a while back. I moved it to fandom a while ago, and I'm not going to try and put it back here. My problem is something else that happened a while ago. During the debates of whether or not my summaries were to be kept, someone on the other side seemed to think a while back that I had just copy-pasted everything from other sources before me. I did sample a small bit, around 5 summaries and some sentances I really liked earlier on, but sometimes the language they used implied much more, and they admitted that they only briefly looked into it, which genuinely upset me. I know now that not even a little bit is acceptable for wikipedia. When I moved it to a draft to work on it some more, I had to clear up some other accusations. I easily did so, but it still bothers me that this happened. I know this happened a while ago, but I suppose it boils down to the principal of the matter and also when I moved it to a draft that whole thing seemed to have inspired some people to try and say that some mirror sites were the originators, not me. I obviously was easily able to clear this up just by comparing the dates they were added, but it's just another reminder that there isn't any real closure on this and it in fact created some misunderstandings. I'm not trying to get Ferret in trouble, or start a fight or anything, Completely disregarding the staying status of the summaries themselves, I absolutely do want closure on those accusations on the talk page and set the record straight. I'm not trying to get the other user in trouble, or start a fight, or anything. It's just that some things about me were said that were untrue and it would be nice if I could get closure from him on this. I'm coming to you with this because I'm not sure if he's upset with me. --Smcupcake19 (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt anyone beyond ferret or I even remember it, and as long as you're not trying to publish that draft anymore, I don't think either one of us hold any ill-will towards you, so don't let it weigh on your mind. Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

User previously edited under different accounts

Hi Serge. In responding to a message about music charts on their talk page, the user Antananarivo261 just admitted they have previously edited Wikipedia under different accounts ("I had other accounts in the past..."). I'm not sure if the accounts have been blocked or if this is worth a CU looking into, but you might be able to get more information from the user regarding this as I'm somewhat suspicious of them now that they've said that. There have been too many editors over the years who edit charts in the manner this editor does who have been sockpuppets. Ss112 04:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Nothing More and the definition of singles

Hey Serge. I apologize for the earlier edit on Spirits. I did not expect that to have been done by you given the title mistake; I assumed it was done by someone who did not know better, and should have checked.

But it does bring me back to something I'd been meaning to ask you about since I initially added all the information on Spirits. I just added what I knew was missing, but I immediately noticed the discography had it differently aligned. What are we calling a single? I get why "Spirits" isn't included, but I don't get why we're excluding "Turn It Up Like", it received its own single art and was released separately as its own thing on digital platforms, not just as a lead-up to the album like the title track. I'd argue the same point for "Don't Stop", honestly. dannymusiceditor oops 00:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It's no problem. I shouldn't have messed up the title like that. But as far as the singles stuff goes, I've been involved in a number of Wikiproject discussions over "what constitutes a single/promo song/etc" and unfortunately, in modern times, the industry refuses to define things. The only resolution has been the general "just go by what sources say". In this case, when writing Spirits and Tired of Winning, multiple reliable sources went out of the way to mention that "Tired of Winning" was the first single even while concurrently acknowledging the existence of "Turn It Up". It's honestly rare for sources to say it so explicitly, so I went with that. (Personally, I speculate that "Turn It Up" didn't have much mainstream, commercial appeal, and was meant to be more of a preview of the album rather than a formal single, but that's just me, and I didn't factor that into my editing.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
That indeed is quite uncommon. I remember you being part of a proposal I had related to videos in infoboxes (still think that's a good idea but it seems only one ever agreed). Sound reasoning, by the way, but I wish there was a way to make this more obvious to the typical reader. I'm still not really comfortable in disregarding "Turn It Up Like" as a single, but I can't really argue with how the sources portray it, though I disagree with them personally. So I guess I'll just have to live with it. dannymusiceditor oops 01:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
To be clear, did you find the case to be the same for "Don't Stop"? dannymusiceditor oops 23:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
It's been a while since I created that one...but I think so, yeah. Going by what sources say has been the only way people could agree upon for as long as I can remember. For example, when writing that article, I appeared to be basing it at least partially on [https://loudwire.com/nothing-more-the-stories-we-tell-ourselves-album-details-lyric-videos-go-to-war-dont-stop/ - which refers to "Go to War" as a single and Don't Stop as "another track". Sergecross73 msg me 01:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Possible block evasion

I think BlaccCrab is block evasion yet again by editing Twelve Carat Toothache with these edits [3] [4] [5]. The editor has edited the article before [6]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:59, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Ss112 - Thoughts? I know you're quite familiar with him too. Sergecross73 msg me 12:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric indef protection

Hi Sergecross73, long time no see! I hope all is well with you. I noticed that Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric has been protected for nearly seven years. Shouldn't it be time that was lifted? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, good to see you. I'm well and I hope you are too. Yeah, there was a lot of vandalism and troubles back in the day, so I think I just went all-in on an indef protection on the fourth time around. As you say though, a lot of time has passed. I've removed it. Let me know if you ever feel it should be re-applied. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 18:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

For Lists do we put the remake next to the orginal.

Hey Serge long time no see it has been a while and I am just wondering when doing the soundtrack list do we add games that have remakes in the same coloumn as the original like for example: Yakuza/Yakuza Kiwami

or do we leave as a seperate entry because the YS games have remakes and most of them have the same music as the original but re arranged or remastered so please get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks! NakhlaMan (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey there Nakhlaman - I always combined them in the same row because there's usually a ton of overlap between the two. (Like Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal for example, where 75% of the songs are on both. Sergecross73 msg me 02:19, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
But what about for Yakuza I mean even though Kiwami is a remake it has a complety different soundtrack to PS2 Yakuza so would u combine that or leave it seperatly? NakhlaMan (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Actually never mind u are right We should be doing that Thanks Serge! NakhlaMan (talk) 02:33, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Sorry about all the messages but do you think we should do the same for FF 7 and its remake or do we leave it because well technically the game is just one quarter of the orignal and that pretty much means a quarter of the soundtrack is released so do we seperate it I promise this is the last question. NakhlaMan (talk) 02:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
It's no problem, really. I could go either way on FF7 Remake. Yes, it's a remake, but it's pretty radically different both in concept and in soundtrack. I think it could be listed separately. Sergecross73 msg me 03:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Smashing Pumpkins

Hi, do you have a good reason for reverting my SEE ALSO links? Many band pages have it. Manfromuk (talk) 03:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Like I mentioned in my edit summary, I didn't find them to be necessary because there's already links to the albums all over the article. The article was passed for Featured Article status without them, so I can't be the only one who thinks that. Sergecross73 msg me 03:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Dissidia situation with streaming soundtracks

Hey Serge, in relation to the previous message should I put both Dissidia OG and 012 in the same column because while 012 is a prequel and a remake would it be handy to merge them or is it only if thery have the same tracks as the original or something. Also should it be: Dissidia Final Fantasy/Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy OR the other way around to keep it alphabeticial order? NakhlaMan (talk) 07:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a weird situation, but I think it makes sense to have them merged into one entry because the entire first game is present in 012. I'm fine with whatever, but I think I'd list it first game/second game. Sergecross73 msg me 12:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Page protection needed

Hi Serge. As I pointed out on User talk:2603:8081:A200:1D94:15D2:4AE9:BE5F:A1BF, this user is block evading. They're currently active using 2603:8081:A200:1D94:50AE:6ED2:5268:968A. Can you please protect The Neighbourhood and The Marías? This disruption will certainly continue as proven by their unstable ramblings and actions at Un Verano Sin Ti months ago. Ss112 01:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Protected. Sergecross73 msg me 01:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

God of war (2018) sales numbers

Hello Serge, this is Earl Moore and I was simply updating the game's sales numbers from what I read on the news about it reaching 23 million copies as of this year. If you would like to change and update go right ahead but I was simply just trying to help. Miles Morales1.2 (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your interest in helping, but you keep adding info that doesn't belong in the article.
  1. Every time you add a new sales figure, you need to add a new source that verifies the new info. You keep forgetting that step.
  2. When you have added a source, it hasn't been a source that verifies the change correctly. The article tracks PS4 game sales. We cannot add sales figures that include PC game sales. Sergecross73 msg me 16:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

EPic cat

Then we should name "category: science fiction video games" and "category: fantasy video games" for deletion too, because Like I said, THEY ARE THEMES and not genresJoão Cannabrava (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

You literally created the category with the phrase "Video games in the epic genre" as the only text present. Sergecross73 msg me 15:33, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
It's a thematic genre, not a video game genre lol João Cannabrava (talk) 15:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm just pointing out the confusing things you're saying. The truth is, it's status as a genre (or not) has nothing to do with my problem to begin with. My problem is the term "epic" is too vague and subjective to be useful to the reader. It's more comparable to proposing something like "fast video games" or "calming video games". Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Sockpuppet CU blocked. -- ferret (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Frontiers reception expansion

Hello, I would like to help expand the reception section of this article. I have particularly noticed a "higher reception" of the game compared the last decade of game releases from this series (if more captions are needed on that subject, I can easily provide). As you can see on the page already, of the 12 scores listed, 9 have scores of 7 or above while the other 3 have particularly low scores (1, 2, and 4 /10). Recently, a youtuber named Dunkey made a video regarding his opinion on the game's "low quality". The reaction from this was interesting since it seemed that there were two camps fighting for the games reception, as can be seen with "review bombing" in both directions (positive or negative) which is why I thought 'polarizing' would be an appropriate word to open the reception of this game. If sources are needed for that as well, of course I can provide. Residency12 (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I recommend starting up a discussion in the Sonic Frontier's talk page to brainstorm/workshop an addition to this capacity. There might be something there...but it needs work. And focusing less on internet drama junk like "Dunkey" and more on sources listed at WP:VG/S. Sergecross73 msg me 04:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Windows Central

Hi Serge! I was thinking of removing the Redirect for Windows Central and creating a page for this but was wondering if you saw any sources I can use for this. Timur9008 (talk) 15:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no objections, but despite all the video game articles I've created, I really don't have any experience creating video game website articles. It always seems difficult to me to find sources that provide significant coverage on other sources. I did a brief search and didn't really find anything helpful. Sorry! Sergecross73 msg me 04:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for checking! Timur9008 (talk) 11:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Tenth Adminship Anniversary!

Thank you! Sergecross73 msg me 20:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Thank you! Can't believe it's already been a decade! Sergecross73 msg me 23:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you very much!

For watching and correcting the link at Net als toen, haha.. you're right, I de-linked the composer in lead but forgot at the infobox. And, if you have thoughts about inclusion of weeks and positions of featuring albums, and if there's something to fix at "track-listing" (like add id parameter?) I would love if you can tell me. Thank you very much! And congratulations for your 10-year adminship anniversary :-) אומנות (talk) 23:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll leave comments there! Sergecross73 msg me 17:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

RockabillyRaccoon

...needs to be stopped. The guy literally inserts stuff that the sources don't even say and literally admits to it: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Gothabilly&action=history "The musical style is a combination of 1950s bluesy rockabilly mixed with creepy gothic piano and guitars creating a slow tempo with moody melodies." what does he do: insert "gothic rock" --22:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Warned. Sergecross73 msg me 00:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Yeah but he it just keeps going and it seems he doesnt learn anything from the warnings/discussions.. --FMSky (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to keep reporting problems to me, but it's not like the issues are bad enough to jump straight to block right now. (If they were, the ANI case wouldn't have fizzled out like it did.) Please just do your best to discuss and advise him, and report outright violations to me. Either he'll get better, or he'll be blocked eventually. Sergecross73 msg me 00:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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