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Possible issue with rmCloser?

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Hey Sdkb, I noticed that on Special:Diff/1238025322, the rmCloser reverted the archive wrapper and re-added the RM dated template. I'm just curious if you noticed anything peculiar with that edit and are not surprised to see this message, or if you didn't and there might be something wrong with the script. Courtesy ping TheTVExpert. Best, Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notice anything unusual when I made that edit, so yeah, there may be some sort of script issue. Thanks for noticing/fixing! Sdkbtalk 19:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from Abdulrahman nura (16:19, 12 August 2024)

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Hi mento how i create my wekipedia page indeed --Abdulrahman nura (talk) 16:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Abdulrahman nura — see Help:Your first article. Cheers, Sdkbtalk 19:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Abdulrahman nura (17:08, 12 August 2024)

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How do i create citation --Abdulrahman nura (talk) 17:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Abdulrahman nura — see Help:Referencing for beginners. Cheers, Sdkbtalk 19:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from RICHAOBO1 (10:17, 27 August 2024)

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Hi Sdkb, what's your best advice for someone who's new here and wants to learn how to edit and publish new articles? --RICHAOBO1 (talk) 10:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My advice is not to start with creating new articles; go build up some experience with other tasks first. Then, when you're ready, read Help:Your first article and follow its advice, particularly about sourcing. Cheers, Sdkbtalk 13:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2024

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Infobox musical artist

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Heya, I saw you added pluralisation control to the instrument parameter of Template:Infobox musical artist. Would you be able to do the same for occupation, spouse and partner? Miklogfeather (talk) 12:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Miklogfeather,  Done here; please let me know if there are any issues! Cheers, Sdkbtalk 19:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Boston meetups?

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Hi Sdkb! I remember coming across your RfA previously and wanted to offer a belated congrats for successfully passing :)

I'm writing because I was browsing Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston and have noticed your name come up fairly often in recent meetups. Do you happen to still be in the area? I was interested in potentially attending/organizing one as there hasn't been a single in-person meetup in the region this year to my knowledge. I managed to catch the tail end of one nearly a decade ago but the opportunity has eluded me since. I'm close by and my schedule is relatively flexible for the coming months, and I'd love to meet some other contributors in the area. Would you happen to have any insight into what goes into organizing one of these (room reservation process, etc)? Appreciate it! ~Liancetalk 19:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liance; thank you! I'm not in the Boston area most of the year (although I will be at WikiConference North America in Indianapolis in a few weeks), but best wishes with arranging a meetup! Sdkbtalk 19:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply! I'll reach out to some other editors who might be in the area. Perhaps our paths will cross sometime in the future. Best, ~Liancetalk 23:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template spam reform idea

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Hi there Sdkb, I'm toying with a proposal to reduce template spam, which perhaps you could comment on. My idea is that any template includes "discuss the issue" or "Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page" can be removed by any editor, if there was never a discussion begun on the talk page about such issues. In my mind, other editors can't be expected to read the mind of drive-by templaters, and it's not their responsibility to do so. Additionally, if the templater can't be bothered to even give one sentence on the talk page, that's on them.

I've found myself frequently removing templates undersuch rationales, see here most recently.

Examples of such templates include {{Original research}} & {{Too few opinions}}, among many others. How does it sound? Aza24 (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I just saw a comment from you a few years back at Template talk:GANotice#Linking to the assessment subpage. I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but given that we have a new bot & operator, perhaps this could be easily implemented now. Aza24 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Larry0909 (00:25, 10 September 2024)

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Where is the little picture of a magnifying glass to click on to enter an item to locate and read? --Larry0909 (talk) 00:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are searching for the search bar, try zooming out on your browser. win8x (talking | spying) 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Larry0909 Pinging because I forgot :) win8x (talking | spying) 20:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She remembers

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Last year, you wrote Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-01-01/In_the_media#How_to_get_divorced_on_Wikipedia. Apparently, there are no hard feelings:[1] (last question). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could use some closing expertise

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Hey, Sdkb! I'm looking to get the gears turning on the admin recall RfC, but a lot of the sections have been sitting open for a while. Since I know you have experience with RfC closes, would you be willing to help close a few sections? It looks like we won't be going right to implementation from there, so the closes are mainly advisory – helps in putting together the next discussion (fingers crossed!). Thanks in advance :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:If this year

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Template:If this year has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

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Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2024

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Cooooooookiezzzzzzzz

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ButterNoodle, yum! Thank you! Sdkbtalk 06:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A racecar for you!

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A racecar for you!
Great seeing you again at WCNA! Your talk made me feel the urge to get back into copyediting FACs (though I'm scared of how much the whole FA process may have changed since I was last doing that, uh... ten years ago... @_@) Anyway, till next time IRL and in the meantime, see you round the wikis! Accedietalk to me 16:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Accedie! Good luck with any FACs you launch! Sdkbtalk 17:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you!

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I want to thank you for your lecture on article quality degradation at WCNA. I dare say it was the most interesting and useful talk of the whole conference.

Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's high praise, Compassionate727; thank you! (For any talk page stalkers, the presentation slides, based off my essay WP:ENDURE, are here, and the audio will be up soon once they process it.) Sdkbtalk 17:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barncompass for you!

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WikiConference North America 2024 Barncompass
Thank you for successfully completing all 13 tasks in the 2024 edition of the Editing Challenge! We hope you continue to contribute towards different sister projects. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, OhanaUnited! I had noticed in the closing session that you listed me as only having completed some of the tasks, so I was wondering where I had been disqualified; I guess this means I actually wasn't disqualified after all? Sdkbtalk 17:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was in a hurry and might have missed some things (or that I only saw some of your tasks being marked as complete when I was creating the slides, and you subsequently updated the table). OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@OhanaUnited, I updated the table just before the noon deadline that was announced. No worries — it was indeed a tight timeline! For next year, it might make sense to announce an earlier deadline, so that you can be sure to consider all the contributions submitted by then. Cheers, Sdkbtalk 21:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was updating it around noon. Probably it was still using an outdated cache on my laptop so it didn't show your 13 completed tasks. I'll mark that as a to-do item next year. The time crunch was definitely difficult to manage since we had to hand out a physical prize (rather than just virtual). OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Growth News, October 2024

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Trizek_(WMF), 15:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to participate in a research

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Question from Germitage (01:55, 25 October 2024)

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I am glad to have a mentor, and hope you're not an AI. I was reading the wikipedia article on Alfred Orage, and found a few items in the article that I thought I could illuminate with material from my own library and researches. It was surprising how many paths that led me down, and the limitations that Google search still has (i.e., I was able to find information it had not incorporated into its dataset, and I'm by no means a search expert.) Anyway, I added my discoveries to the best of my ability to the Talk page for this article. I don't like to concept of me being able to edit an article live any more than I think a writer should be published just because he wants to be. I am hoping that my information makes for a more accurate and interesting article. Incidentally, in the box at the beginning about improving the article it suggests that a photo be added, but the article does have one...can I suggest that suggestion be corrected? Well, thanks for reading this if you have and please feel free to write me back at any time. Germitage --Germitage (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Germitage! I'm not an AI (at least that I'm aware...). Thanks for contributing your knowledge to Talk:Alfred Richard Orage and hope you stick around to make more contributions elsewhere!
I've removed the image request from the talk page. It was asking for a freely licensed image, whereas the one there now is fair use, but for a historical figure it's unlikely that anyone will be able to fulfill such a request (you can't go take a picture of a deceased person the same way you can a building...) so it wasn't doing much good.
Regarding the information about him, Wikipedia foundationally aims to be a tertiary source compiling the information found in secondary sources like newspapers and books. As such, we do not accept original research that has not been published elsewhere. That may somewhat limit what would be appropriate to contribute to the article at this point. But to the extent you can find sources that back up the information you'd like to add, we encourage you to be bold and add it! That article is currently assessed as C-class, so there is lots of room for improvement!
Cheers, Sdkbtalk 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you kindly for your helpful information. I think I can document all the comments I made in the talk page from published (even if not easily available) sources. The main thing I worry about is "where to stop" :)
For instance, the article mentions that Orage's gravestone has an Enneagram on it. I found three sources that confirm that: a mention of it in his biography, a description of the gravestone from the website of the churchyard where he's buried, showing a drawing of the enneagram, and a photo of the gravestone found on a site called findagrave.com. It seems like overkill to provide all those sources, but I don't have any reason to include one than another. I don't even know if it's permitted to include the findagrave link.
Also, the current text states that his disciples paid for the creation of the gravestone, but none of my sources corroborate that.
Anyway, I feel a little guilty to include all this, but since you answered my last question, I thought I'd ask this.
Maybe I should just go ahead and put all the stuff I found into the appropriate places in the article, and see what other editors decide is appropriate. I am perfectly willing to accept the decision of editors; in any case, I assume all my wonderful work, even if not used, will always be stashed away in the talk page. Germitage (talk) 05:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Germitage, good questions! First, on "where to stop", the guiding principles for what information to include or not include in an article are WP:DUEWEIGHT and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Basically, information that has been discussed by reliable sources can be included in a concise manner. The definition of a reliable source can be complex, but Find A Grave would not be considered reliable because it contains user-generated content. In general, I would include only the highest-quality source(s) for a piece of information that are available — the goal is always to ensure that facts are verifiable, so if e.g. there's an NYT feature available, no need to include anything else.
Regarding the current text, is there a citation for that fact? If so, you can check whether it corroborates it. If so, we're good. If there is but it doesn't, you could add the {{failed verification}} tag to the sentence (let me know if you need help doing so) or just remove the fact entirely if you suspect it is false. If there's no citation, the typical steps are to either remove it (again, best to do this when you suspect it's false) or tag it with {{citation needed}} (although in this case, I wouldn't do that since the orange tag at the top of the article covers that, and we don't want to tag bomb).
Regarding the last question, yes, I'd definitely encourage you to be bold and edit the article directly! The revision history is stored permanently, so if you accidentally mess anything up it'll be easy for others to fix it.
Cheers, Sdkbtalk 21:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Per capita has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator election votes

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Hi talk page stalkers! I'm casting my votes in the administrator elections, and in the spirit of Wikipedian transparency (and experimenting with RfA dynamics) I figured I'd disclose how I'm voting.

Some process notes: I spent roughly 1-2 hr. making my choices. I relied on a mixture of information in candidate guides, the statements/questions/discussion on nomination pages, and (in a few cases) my own impressions of the candidate from past interactions. If you do the math with the timing, you'll see that it doesn't work out to much time per candidate, so in some cases snap judgements/cursory looks were involved. Therefore, no one should take my choices to carry much weight as an (anti-)endorsement (unlike my normal RfA !votes, where I tend not to weigh in unless I have a strong view I'll stand behind). I chose not to make any abstentions, since (unlike RfA neutrals) those don't have any impact.

Overall, I think I was somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA, both to compensate for the fact that they are receiving less scrutiny than normal candidates (and thus small observed issues may hint at larger missed ones) and because the culture of AEC seems to involve fewer nominators who might have caught issues in vetting. (Some advice for candidates: Run with nominators! Their endorsement will help you, and you'll avoid giving the impression that you don't have them because no one was willing.) Some issues that I'd probably have been able to overlook at a normal RfA, such as a lack of quality content nominations, therefore became WP:NOTQUITEYET dealbreakers here.

If anyone wants to know why I voted a particular way on a particular candidate, I'll be happy to discuss if I can remember. I'm also open to being persuaded if anyone wants to convince me I'm wrong about a candidate and should revote (I view dialogue with you all, who I probably trust more than the average Wikipedian, as a step in the process to help me catch instances where I might be voting differently than I would had I done more thorough vetting). With that preamble done, my votes:

Candidate My vote
Ahecht Yes
AntiDionysius Yes
Bastun No
DoubleGrazing Yes
Dr vulpes Yes
EggRoll97 No
FOARP Yes
Frost No
Hawkeye7 No
Knightoftheswords281 No
Leonidlednev No
LindsayH Yes
MarcGarver Yes
Mdewman6 Yes
Pbritti Yes
Peaceray Yes
Pharaoh of the Wizards No
Queen of Hearts Yes
Robert McClenon No
Rsjaffe Yes
Sable232 No
SD0001 Yes
SilverLocust Yes
Sohom Datta Yes
Spy-cicle No
Starship.paint No
SWinxy No
ThadeusOfNazereth Yes
The Squirrel Conspiracy No
Valenciano Yes
Velella No
Zippybonzo No

Lastly, one overall impression about the process: While I appreciate that the random sorting helped avoid any undue scrutiny of candidates based on alphabetical order of usernames, it made it quite a bit harder to match everyone up with the voter guides/nomination pages as I was going through them. I hope that we'll find a way to make this easier if we do this again.

Cheers, Sdkbtalk 05:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the transparency :) There's a few where we voted differently, but nothing I feel like I need to argue with you over. As to your last point: I'd prefer an alphabetical listing where the starting point is random (so every candidate shows up at the top the same number of times, but it's not too hard to correlate to an actual alphabetical list elsewhere). Elli (talk | contribs) 05:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea! Sdkbtalk 05:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I love that idea. I have filed phab:T378313! HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like that "somewhat tougher than I would be at a normal RfA" still means 17 yes. Helps give me hope that we will get a bunch of new admins out of this experiment. -- asilvering (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be done about 2020 census results on US city/town/CDP articles?

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Hi Sdkb. I noticed that you proposed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities that the discussion about the 2020 census issue be moved to another location, but then it looks like you reverted your own edit. I think moving the discussion elsewhere is a good idea. We don't want a page devoted to a broad subject like cities to be swamped with potentially dozens of longish entries about a subject few people will be interested in. Closing the topic with a pointer to where the discussion is continuing seems to be the way to go. Why the revert? PopePompus (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to close the thread at the Village Pump, pointing to the discussion you started at WT:CITIES to consolidate everything there. Sillily, I accidentally closed the discussion at WT:CITIES, circularly redirecting to WT:CITIES. I reverted that and then closed the discussion I meant to at the pump. Hope that clarifies! Cheers, Sdkbtalk 18:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know?

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Hello Sdkb, I liked your suggestion about a "Did You Know" for the LaTasha Barnes article. I am going to try posting that. Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wroliver, good luck! There is still cleanup work to do at LaTasha Barnes to make it less promotional and more encyclopedic—you can look at the biographies of other dancers (say, Frankie Manning) to get a sense of what's expected. If you have any questions, or once you've completed your edits, post at the nomination page to let the reviewer, Dumelow, know. I'd do one of those two today, since if you don't show that you're actively working on it, the nomination will time out.
I know DYK can be a haul, but it's worth it to see the article appear on the Main Page (with its 6 million daily views)!
Cheers, Sdkbtalk 14:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sdkb,
Thanks for the link to Manning's bio. I will do some additional work on the article to make it less promotional.
192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions from Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (08:40, 29 October 2024)

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Assalomu alaykum men iqtibozni qanday yarataman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assalomu alaykum vikipediya nima qanday joylayman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assalomu alaykum iqtibozni qanday yarataman --Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna (talk) 08:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maxsudova Kamola Maxmudovna: Hi! Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. We have an Uzbek edition that may be useful to you — see uz:Bosh Sahifa.
Salom! Vikipediya - bu onlayn ensiklopediya. Bizda siz uchun foydali boʻlishi mumkin boʻlgan oʻzbekcha nashr mavjud — ushbu sahifaga qarang: uz:Bosh Sahifa Sdkbtalk 14:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mobtown Ballroom

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On 30 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mobtown Ballroom, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mobtown Ballroom and Café enlisted volunteers to build its sprung wood floor by hand – twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mobtown Ballroom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mobtown Ballroom), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2024

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