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Tech News: 2023-06

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Tech News: 2023-07

MediaWiki message delivery 01:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2023-08

MediaWiki message delivery 01:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

See the nomination discussion for this GA article. I am starting to be surprised by GAs. Some of them are great and others... not so much. I began a review of this one today. I am thinking this should be re-assessed as a GA. Also while I am at it Gardens by the Bay MRT station how on earth is this stub a GA? It was reviewed by an inexperienced editor. Probably both should be reassessed. Bruxton (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bruxton Thanks for the note, but I'm tied up with some other stuff for a while, so probably won't have a chance to look at this for a bit. But yeah, in general, I think GA needs to tighten up on reviewing standards. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Now I am seeing a pattern. Another article which is not GA Bayfront MRT station. Same inexperienced editor/reviewer as this article. Gardens by the Bay MRT station. I think both should be reassessed. Bruxton (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing news 2023 #1

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This newsletter includes two key updates about the Editing team's work:

  1. The Editing team will finish adding new features to the Talk pages project and deploy it.
  2. They are beginning a new project, Edit check.

Talk pages project

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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Socratic Barnstar
For your level-headed, and correct, comment at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case. I've found myself giving out a few of these barnstars recently - Maybe that's a bad thing in that there are so many absurd and dramatic conversations happening, but I think it's a good thing that users like you exist to bring much-needed nuance into those conversations. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 19:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Three years!

DYK move protector script

Drafted it up here at User:Theleekycauldron/Scripts/DYK move protector.py. I've been able to test everything except for some of the intricacies of file-writing and the actual protection, but those should be quick bugfixes and I'll be around if you need any help. The program works like this:

  1. The script loads up the Main Page and the queues with load_queues()
  2. It then calculates the expiry times with queue_multiplier(), and applies protection
  3. It also loads up a stored file of all the pages the script is currently protecting with load_list() (file path needs to be changed), and analyzes it concurrently with steps 1 and 2 to see if any of its protected pages have been pulled prematurely
  4. If it finds a pulled hook, it unprotects it
  5. It then reloads the stored file

Working on adding more comments now :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron hi, just catching up on some stuff over the past few days. I looked briefly at your code. Keeping stuff on your local hard drive seems, um, weird. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thanks, I think? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 19:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Following up on this – what's left before implementation? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure what my role is supposed to be here. Are you just looking for somebody to do some code review of what you've written? -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
well, adminbots can only be run by admins, so my hope was that you'd review the code, confirm that I'm not attempting to compromise your account, and fold it into a second BRFA for DYK-Tools-Bot :) and I'd be there to help with technical issues. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 00:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, to be honest, the code you wrote doesn't really fit in with the architecture of the existing DYK-Tools-Bot, so it would probably be a complete rewrite. I'm not opposed to that, but I was kind of confused where things were heading. Also see WT:BOTPOL#A mop for DYK-Tools-Bot? -- RoySmith (talk) 01:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron I've been thinking about this a bit more (and refactoring some existing code in anticipation of what I'll probably need). If I understand things properly, the idea is to move-protect any page which is linked to (in bold) for all the time it's on any of the queues or the main page? And then restore it back to its original protection state when it's no longer on one of those?
There's no real need to evaluate why the hook is no longer on one of those templates; being pulled vs just rolling over to the next hook set per the normal schedule is all the same. I also don't think there's any reason to calculate expiration times; either it's on a template or it's not. Pages that are linked from a hook (but not in bold) don't get protected in any case.
Does that cover it?
I'm also trying to figure out the best way to store the state of what page protections are in flight. The two reasonable alternatives seem to be a JSON content model wiki page or in the same SQL database I'm already using. I can see arguments for either one, but I'm thinking the JSON wiki page makes the most sense, if for no other reason than for transparency. My only fear is that the BAG folks didn't seem to like using the wiki as a database, and I'd hate to run into that again. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, you can definitely just apply indefinite move protection to all of the articles, and yoink it when it falls off the templates – trouble being that 1. that's a lot more logged actions to review and 2. it's not transparent. An end user looking at that is gonna say "I wanna move this article, when is it gonna be off the Main Page?", and most editors won't know where the timetable is or how to use it. Calculating and applying limited time protection tells the user when to come back if they want to move this page, and it relieves the bot from having to yoink it when it's off the Main Page. But if it gets pulled, the bot can also yoink protection early.
as for database storage, I think what the BAG editors minded is saving page states on the pages the bot was editing, in a method that might be confusing to other editors. If you want to keep a userspace JSON subpage, they're not gonna mind – I've got fifteen billion of those for the proctor script. SDZeroBot has one of em to track DYK nominations. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 22:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm. I see your point about predicting the expiration time, but I can see that getting messy as hooks get swapped around between queues, or the current set running longer than expected, as recently happened when some bot went down. I'll add something to the protection log message explaining why it's protected and when to expect it'll get unprotected.
Yeah, I'll go with a JSON page. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron I think I've got this all working. I want to play around a bit more on testwiki and then I'll get a BRFA going. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Any chance we'll go with an expiration time? We can always change that time if the nom gets moved around... theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 10:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Probably not. I don't see what it buys us, it juds adds complexity. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
all right, well, hope the BAG editors don't give you a hard time over it – TFA protector bot's got one, so, possibly something they'll want to see. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 20:06, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-09

MediaWiki message delivery 23:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Mar 8: WikiWednesday Salon by Grand Central

Mar 8: WikiWednesday Salon by Grand Central
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Draft:Meesho - Requesting for WP:THREE

Hi Admin, I would like to request for your opinion on this WP:THREE - https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft_talk:Meesho.

It's a huge company in India ranking in top 3 e-commerce where thousands of marketplaces exist. The last reviewer didn't respond to my WP:THREE at all and declined the draft, so I have come here. I have seen so many companies that are far less smaller in size and references, yet they are approved. Even Google has abundance of articles about it, but it's a matter of choosing the right ones? The Wikipedia policies are very vague and I am unable to understand how Meesho is not eligible. It seems like you are one of the most experienced admins, can you please give it some time and help me out? Much appreciated Everbethesame (talk) 00:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The folks who review drafts at WP:AFC are pretty sharp. I'll leave it to them. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

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DYKToolsAdminBot

Hi, I added four hooks to testwiki:Template:Did you know/Queue/1, and the bot correctly move protected all four relevant pages. I then undid my edit, and the bot unprotected one page, but now, more than an hour later, the remaining three (1, 2, 3) are still protected. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mandarax Thanks for the note. I'm looking at it now. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mandarax Sigh. I made a last-minute change to produce better log messages, which broke my code that queries the log history. I just pushed a new version and I'm giving it a shake down right now. Thanks again for the report. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-10

MediaWiki message delivery 23:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

To clear the air

While discussing DYK about article relating bicycling by Muslim women you seem to have made some observations. IMO some of that could have been preferably discussed at article talk page. Anyways sharing each others views a little more in detail may help clearing the air.

First of all personally I had not targeted for 8 March as DYK date as such so no issues on rescheduling or cancellation. I prefer that remaining on DYK board for getting better attention of other content contributors. That said,

  • You seem to say ".. And there's nothing significant about women in Islamic countries not being allowed to ride bicycles which is fundamentally different from women in Islamic countries not being allowed to participate in a lot of sports. .."

Here I will request you to draw a parallel 'Car driving by women in Islamic countries or say Saudi Arabia', would you say that only be discussed in Muslim women in sport ? probably not because usage of Cars is not limited to sports but can be part of day today mobility. Un til personal automobiles became available bicycles were popular mode of transport in 20th century, isn't it. Since late 20th and early 21st century environment health and recreation interests have brought cycling back to focus in academic studies specially in west with a view to extend inclusivity to Muslim and minority women in west. Those studies -and taking potshots at persecution is not idea behind most of those studies- are still to be covered in the article.

  • ".. women in Islamic countries not being allowed to participate in a lot of sports.."

I request to visit this part, which seem to give in to media generate stereotype. A vast number of Muslim women live in secular countries including ones which are Muslim majority countries. Over the decades some Muslim countries changed course of their politics from orthodox to moderate to secular and even back to orthodox again.

In the article I have taken note of Egyptian and Turkish women, First ladies of Syria and Jordan themselves joining cycle ride. After discussing at Humanities discussion board I realized but I could not cover Albania, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan for want of availability of sources though they seem to have good women's cycling culture. That is one of the reason for DYK will attract more attention and help getting more source and further development of the article.

I agree may be I should have checked sourcing of some of inherited text more closely. But in the article every attempt is made to cover orthodox, moderate and progressive views. Though being a skeptic I include criticism with RS where it exists, I may not be perfect, most times I strive to be editorially neutral. Still difference of opinion can exist. Due weight of some of the content can be discussed and sorted out in due course at the article talk page.

Last but not least, User Fram's view on article title may be different than yours and I have started discussion with them to understand their view more closely.

All of above is not for being argumentative but to clear the air by sharing the views better. Thanks and happy editing.

Bookku (talk) 15:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 9 March 2023

Tech News: 2023-11

MediaWiki message delivery 23:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets of blocked sockpuppet account Iamfrzu07


This page Shaiju Damodaran is created by user:Akevsharma ,on checking the pic uploaded in the page, its uploaded by user:Iamfarzan , when clicking the user page link of user:Iamfarzan it redirects to user:Akevshama. He has renamed the user page to hide that same user uploaded the image. Is is COI as well ?

User account created on 14 April 2020 similar to Iamfrzu07 and after block of Iamfrzu07, which was Created on 14 March 2020

user:Akevsharma aka user:Iamfarzan created around 30+ pages and all pages are related to ISL and kerala blasters.

user:Akevsharma aka user:Iamfarzan edited Manjappada as well on 17 December 2020‎.

Its pretty evident its a sock. When I tried to post it in https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Farzanfa007 this page, someone removed it. Please check this Christopheronthemove (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 March 2023

Tech News: 2023-12

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Tech News: 2023-13

MediaWiki message delivery 01:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

False report

User:CrashLandingNew after edit warring on various pages, filed a false report of sockpuppetry against me. It has been 5 days since then without any Administrator seeing this. Can you please check it?Sutyarashi (talk) 15:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sutyarashi SPI cases get handled whenever a clerk or CU gets to it. Sometimes it takes a while. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
@RoySmith given that not a single evidence was provided, no administrator has bothered to even check this. Can you please atleast close it? Sutyarashi (talk) 07:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
@Sutyarashi I took a brief look and discovered that the case is not being included on the queue of cases to be worked on, which explains why nobody has looked at it yet. I've put in a request for one of the SPI clerks to see what the problem is. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Buzzards-Watch Me Work

Considering User:JuniorDoubleTripleWhopper, is this sole edit worth looking at? A rather odd new editor edit. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

If they cause more trouble, open an SPI, but for just one edit, meh. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
That's what I thought ... thx! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 April 2023

Tech News: 2023-14

MediaWiki message delivery 23:38, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Apr 12 WikiWednesday + Earth Week (Apr 15-23)

April 12: WikiWednesday @ BPL + on Zoom
WikiWednesday is back in-person, pizza included!

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Query

Hello, RoySmith,

Tonight, I ran into User:Defan SU, a new editor who is removing sockpuppet messages you have posted on User pages and posting this message on other editor's User pages. Could you check them out? I can see no reason for them to do this unless they are related. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 07:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Looks like the're Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jellywings19 -- RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)