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Western Collegiate Hockey Association men's individual awards

Before you get too far into WCHA award articles, I'd like to point you towards Western Collegiate Hockey Association men's individual awards. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 01:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Awards and honors

You added a lot of tables to many players' articles with an extra column at the end. I'm not sure if there was a reason for this, but would you mind cleaning that up and removing the extra column please? Gloss • talk 00:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

You added an extra column that was empty at the end of each table. Do you have a clue what I'm referring to? Gloss • talk 00:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Gloss • talk 01:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The extra column at the end is to be used for references, so please use it for that purpose. Also, I have noticed that you are systematically removing the "u" from "honour", even in cases when the subject is Canadian. Honour (with the "u") is the correct Canadian spelling of the word, so please, per WP:RETAIN, do not change spellings to American English when there is no valid reason for such a change. Dolovis (talk) 02:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dolovis: If a reference is going to be added, then the column is fine. But no point in having an empty column otherwise. Gloss • talk 03:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Gloss is correct, if there is no reference the column shouldn't be there. Technically the awards shouldn't be in a table anyways per Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format#Awards we use a bulleted list for awards. Dolovis however is correct about the u. You should leave Canadian English spelling on non-American player pages. -DJSasso (talk) 13:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi PensRule11385! Would you be able to tell me your source for the roster at 1919–20 Bates men's ice hockey season#Roster?

I am trying to track down more information about Chester F. Cleaves. It seems that he dropped "Chester" & started to use the name "Freeman Cleaves". His Wikidata record is at wikidata:Q94118723.

What makes me think that they are the same person? These:

• "A Little Bragging". The Nashua Telegraph. Vol. 73, no. 190. October 13, 1947. p. 6. Retrieved 2023-09-01 – via NewspaperArchive.
• Chester Freeman Cleaves at Find a Grave

The reason that I ask is that many sources list his birth date as 1904 or October 13, 1904. However, the roster & Find a Grave are consistent in listing his birth date as October 31, 1901.

There may have been various reasons for the appearance of the later birth date. I think that it may have been forgery to qualify for US Army WWII service, since according to Find a Grave, he saw service 1942–1943. Or it might have been someone's typographical error. In any case, I am looking for a reliable source for the birth date, and Find a Grave does not qualify. I am hoping that tracking down the source for the roster that you inserted will help. Peaceray (talk) 21:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The information I have is mostly from the school's yearbook (https://archive.org/details/mirror192000unse/page/134/mode/2up?q=hockey). According to the Bates Student (the school's newspaper), a person with last name of Cleaves played in one game for the hockey team in 1920 (page 30; volume XLVIII. No. 8; March 5, 1920; 5th column; https://archive.org/details/Bates_Student_1920/page/n29/mode/2up). While he was not a starter for the team and thus not included as a letterwinner, Chester Freeman Cleaves is the only person who was attending school at that time with that last name. His name also appears in multiple reports during the 1922 season, when he was still attending Bates, but vanishes from university accounts thereafter. Because he does not have a senior profile in the Bates Mirror I can't be certain of his birth date so I used the only other source I had at my disposal, the one on Find a Grave.

If the date is wrong, you're welcome to change it, however, I think that is unlikely. First, if you look at the picture on Find a Grave, the birth year under Freeman is 1901. Secondly, because he was a college freshman in 1919, he was probably born no later than 1901 as that would make him around 18-years-old at the time. I can't saw with certainty that Cleaves wasn't born in 1904, only that it's very doubtful if you consider the other information. PensRule11385 (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

The reason why you may not have found him after the 1922 season is that he may have transferred to the University of New Hampshire, from which he seems to have graduated in 1924, as per "Ask Job on Nerve Alone". Boston Globe. Vol. 106, no. 159. 6 December 1924. p. 1. By then he had dropped Chester & was using Freeman, as per "A Little Bragging". The Telegraph. Vol. 73}, no. 190. 13 October 1947. p. 6.

It is generally a bad idea to rely on Find A Grave for factual information, as per WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL. That said, I have no contemporary sources for the birth date, only authority control sources that come much later. I will look for earlier sources. Peaceray (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I just found his draft card on ancestry.com, which lists his birth date as October 13, 1901. So Find A Grave is right on the month & year, but wrong on the day. Peaceray (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for reminding me, I forgot to update the relevant pages. I paused with the the 89-90 templates while I was working on the end of the college season. I've only got 2 pages left so I should be getting back to it soon. PensRule11385 (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, with regards to this, the article is about the team and both names they used. The history section says "In 2017, the team changed its name to the Idaho IceCats...After the 2017–18 season, Olver stepped down again, leading to the IceCats ceasing operations". Look at the Season-by-season records section, it again lists the team under both names they used. AusLondonder (talk) 14:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@AusLondonder: Yes, which I why i put the 2017-2018 categories on the redirect page for the IceCats. Technically, the 'Jr. Steelheads' were disestablished in 2017, though the franchise did continue. The admins don't like pages for teams that only last a season or two if they can be merged with larger pages, otherwise I would have made one. PensRule11385 (talk) 14:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Regarding this edit, please see MOS:CIRCULAR and don't just blindly revert. AusLondonder (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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	For expanding the U Sports men's ice hockey‎ template and great articles on those teams. Cardofk (talk) 07:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1918 establishments in Saskatchewan

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1918 in Saskatchewan

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction

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F.X. O’Dwyer

Hi! I’ve been researching this man - Frank Xavier O’Dwyer - for the last year or so and you seem to be the only person who might have any information there. He played for columbia university (hockey and lacrosse) in the 1899-1900 season (+1900-1901 if you count it even with the athletic disqualification) and he died in June of 1901 (hit by train — I believe you updated that on the list of players who died during their career two days before I went in to update it after finding the cause haha). Please LMK if you can help!

Do you plan on watching the penguins game tonight? Playing against my team (stars)! N0alv (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@N0alv: The only references I found for his death were a memorial page in the Columbia yearbook located here: Yearbooks. There are scattered mentions of him in the school's newspaper leading up to his death but I wasn't able to find his obituary.

Thank you! I had found a bunch of mentions in the school news, as you said -- there is a death notice of sorts in this edition that has a bit more info! And I cant find it right now but the Friday June 7 1901 edition of the New York times also has one with more details. I thought I had looked at the yearbooks, but I must had missed that page. its in the 1903 edition?

Also -- you have likely come across this on your own, but a few members of the Columbia team played for the American Amateur Hockey League.

Thanks again! N0alv (talk) 01:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@N0alv: back then, it was typical for the junior class to produce the yearbook so the 1903 edition was actually published in the spring of 1902, which is where I believe you'll find the memorial. I did see that several former Lions did go on to play on amateur clubs after graduating, such as the St. Nicholas Hockey Club, but finding verifiable rosters for early-20th century teams is difficult. PensRule11385 (talk) 03:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Yep. That makes sense -- went through and found a couple mentions in the yearbook. Interestingly, he was listed as an active member of the lacrosse team. Likely either an error or a respect thing of some sort, but interesting nonetheless. There are a couple photos of team rosters (on the respective Wikipedia pages and various corners of the internet) that have names listed.

Anyway, thanks for your help! Sorry to bother you (and mentioning that game...major respect for you guys though, out of conference I like the pens well enough)

Please let me know if you come across anything else! N0alv (talk) 13:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)