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for chiming in here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:38, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Re: The New Kid

Re your message: If that editor keeps posting articles for stuff he has made up or non-notable videos, they will likely be blocked. There really is not a de-userfication process except for MfD. Although sometimes after an editor is blocked, their user space articles will be deleted depending upon the content. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

aloveofthelakes

Hi - the link to my web site (www.aloveofthelakes.co.uk) does contain lots of factual information about the fell regions and individual Wainwright fells. I did not think that this would contravene any rules — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmarsh3 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Replied at User_talk:Robmarsh3. PamD 15:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Enjoy your leave - come back soon :)

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Folding seat

PamD,
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Reply to your comment on "Anam Tanveer"

Hello! Thanks for reminding me about sources! Sorry, I'm new to this Wikipedia editing stuff. I've been trying to work my way through it slowly. Thats why there weren't any sources up yet, I'll slowly start to put references up. If you have the time, I would be extremely grateful if you could quickly check over the references, as I'm quiet new to this and not sure if certain blogs and such are reliable references. Thanks! 1335draco (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Every piece of information, especially about a living person, should be sourced from a "reliable source". You must not add information just because you personally know it to be true. Much of this article seems to be excessive detail about minor aspects of the subject, and more appropriate to a fan magazine than an encyclopedia. The only source added so far is a blog, and blogs are generally unacceptable as a reference. Please find coverage of the subject in published sources - newspaper or magazine articles, her TV station's website, etc - and supply the source for each item of information. Please also provide links to other Wikipedia articles - I didn't know what SZABIST was, but it links to the university now I've added the linkage. Thanks. PamD 08:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Martin John Callanan (artist)

Hello PamD. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Martin John Callanan (artist), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Have proposed page move to base title, currently salted after two AfDs in 2008 and 2009. PamD 06:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Jabez Tunnicliff

Thanks for your contributions. I stayed up too late creating that article. I have some samples of his handwriting from the "Church Book" from Cradley Heath to add at some stage as an image. Did you see my comment on the talk page enquiring whether we can use th engraving of Tunnicliff which was digitised by google? -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 10:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your tip regarding where to add stubs. I had forgotten. Also, awfully sorry about wasting your time! :-) Pasquale (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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soft state

Hi. You know, I don't think that Soft State should even be at a capitalised version at all: the quote from Myrdal it has doesn't capitalise it. Perhaps that should be moved to soft state (politics), in which case the DAB is still necessary? Morwen - Talk 20:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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I did a redirect for the article German American Chambers of Commerce to Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce#AHK USA. You recently worked on this article. The primary reason for the rewrite and redirect was to save the information from being deleted. Please see the current redirect maintainence tags in history. The goal was to take 2 related stub articles and to make a better article. I also cleaned up the main article. Input and help is always welcome. Jrcrin001 (talk) 19:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Peruvian Amazon Company

Thanks for tidying Peruvian Amazon Company. Decora (talk) 22:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your work sorting stubs! FunkyCanute (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Very kind of you, thanks! PamD 17:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. Thank you for your help with the vital work of patrolling new pages. I noticed that you are not marking some of the pages you've reviewed as patrolled. Please do remember to click the 'mark this page as patrolled' link at the bottom of the new page if you have performed the standard patrolling tasks. Where appropriate, doing so saves time and work by informing fellow patrollers of your review of the page, so that they do not duplicate efforts. Thanks again for volunteering your time at the new pages patrol project. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 15:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I very rarely patrol new pages. I sort stubs. I wonder which articles you're looking at and thinking I've "new page patrolled..."? Some time, when I feel I've got time, I'll get to grips with the new page curation system and possible patrol some pages, but I'm not a regular NPP-er at present. PamD 16:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Besides which, since the launch of the new Special:NewPagesFeed, marking as patrolled has become optional, hence the warning above is pretty much deprecated. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I've changed your BLP unsourced to a prod BLP as I thought it more appropriate. I also removed that spam tag in the course of chasing up a certain user's tags. Peridon (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think I wondered about the "Spam" tag but left it there, probably wrongly. And after this discussion I'm quite confused as to whether an unsourced BLP article should routinely be BLPPRODded or not! There seem to be a range of interpretations around. PamD 21:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
The editor that put that spam tag on had also (inter alia) tagged as spam a stub about an English MP who died in 1575... The advantage of the prod BLP is that it concentrates the mind of the author in a way that an 'unsourced' tag by itself doesn't. The article in question here didn't look to me to have much chance of RS. I'll happily look for refs if I think an article is worth it (and needs quick rescue), but otherwise I'll push the author to do the work. Or anyone else around as well... I nearly tagged A7 on this one. (I detagged one of the 'spam' articles, apologised to its author, looked back at it and deleted it as an attack. And warned its author.) Peridon (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
But it seems that some at least of the people at the BLP project don't think it was appropriate to BLPPROD unsourced stubs like this one. PamD 21:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
It got the attention, didn't it? And the problem was sorted. Until it's clearly laid down which to use, I'll go on making my own choice. Peridon (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

A kitten (of apology) for you!

Hey Pam :). My apologies again about the absence of edit tools - we're restoring them on Thursday, hopefully. In the meantime we have another set of ideas if you want to chip in - I want to try and avoid us missing anything this time before switching it on :).

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Hello Pam!

Would it be alright if I don't tag one page I patrol, for deletion even though it could have been tagged for deletion? What if I am unsure (apparently I am not so au fait with the deletion rationales)? I am new at reviewing new articles. I am trying my best to help Wikipedia. The nominations are not deliberate attempts to disrupt Wikipedia.

The thing is, Kudpung has been putting immense pressure on me whenever I do not CSD/PROD a new page which (s)he thinks could have been tagged for deletion (sort of warned me 9 times for not CSD/PRODing new pages). This is seeming like a double-edged sword. I mean isn't that within my prerogatives to simply tag new pages with the appropriate tags and not nominate them for deletion if I sincerely feel that they deserve an article on Wikipedia? I am humbly trying to help wikipedia in whatever little way I can. But I am now in a terrible quandary. He keeps telling me to read WP:NPP but that page is very, very confusing (esp. when it comes to nominating pages for deletion) and the message is very foggy. I think from that page one message stands out which is, everything is at the reviewers' (plural) discretion. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 12:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The suggestion of 'pressure' is inaccurate, and there have never been any accusations of disruption. Standard polite messages with advice at which I suggest Mrt3366 may wish to accept with good faith. No one on Wikipedia needs to feel embarrassed to ask for help, but when the request finally comes in the form of a complaint. All users interpret the policies to their best, but the discretionary zone is, and must be very narrow. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
"The suggestion of 'pressure' is inaccurate" - how do you know that? I am the one who is feeling pressed. But, I am not saying you're unreasonable. No, I am simply saying that your reasonable warnings seem like pressure. And I want to know if there is anything I can do about it. I am already trying my best to understand the issues. I am not a deletionist. I am simply letting her know that I didn't mean to disrupt wikipedia and other problems, it's not about not nominating pages for CSD, the issue here is opposite, nominating pages for speedy deletion. I'd prefer if I weren't pushed to choose a side where I would either have to CSD/PROD every page others might feel unworthy of inclusion or have to totally avoid CSD/PRODing pages.

See, I CSD/PROD some and then I don't CSD/PROD some but I feel more guilty when CSD/PROD something incorrectly than when I do not CSD/PROD deletable pages. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 13:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

As I said amongst all the other advice on my talk page, the simplest somution if you're not sure, is to move on and leave such pages for someone else to deal with. You're under no pressure whatsoever to attempt to tag every page - you can pick and choose as we all do. In fact I actually choose the difficult ones and leave the easy ones for the people who are still learning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
But what if I feel that they deserve to be included in Wikipedia for some reason and do choose to leave them un-nominated? Now you're starting to sound like it's "my way or highway" (it's not that serious an issue). I need time. I am not here for any disingenuous agenda. If I leave everything and flee, then I will never learn ergo that's not a solution at all. I need to try. Please don't discourage me from trying! It's a collaborative process, isn't it? Nowhere does it say that one has to be a connoisseur/whiz before volunteering for a job. The only proviso I see in the dealings of Wikipedia is the willingness to learn. I am willing to learn. I will learn. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 15:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
No, it's not 'My way, or the highway'; it's the Wikipedia way, or the highway. To be a good page patroller (or even an admin) you can't really decide for yourself whether you keep an article or nominate it for deletion - the rules have made that decision for you and you have to apply them whether you like them or not. And believe me, there are plenty of policies that I don't wholly agree with, but I have to obey the law and implement it. Now I think we should let Pam have her talk page back ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Wrong ! There is no "wikipedia way" as you put it. And even if so, I am at liberty to ignore a rule if it confuses me, hinders the maintenance of Wikipedia and leads me toward potentially damaging measures (CSD/PROD of salvageable/includible articles). Wikipedia rules are not applied consistently across Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't have firm rules. Rules are often bent, often ignored, even changed for the betterment of the project. Wikipedia is not a totalitarian institution. Rules in Wikipedia are not carved in stone. Their wording and interpretation are likely to change over time. And sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making an exception to a rule. I think it's better to refrain from nominating something for deletion if you're unsure (that way we are not trying to bring any major change) than nominating it. Wikipedia says perfection right from the word "go" is not required: wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles.

Please do not push this far. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 08:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought I'd replied here yesterday, but I guess I used "Preview" and then didn't hit "Save"! What I said, apart from something like "Wow, I go away for a few hours on a sunny afternoon and come back to find you two slugging it out on my talk page", was to suggest that if you find the NPP page too difficult to understand, as you say, you should avoid trying to work on NPP. If you find an article which you think should not be in English Wikipedia then: if it fits the criteria for CSD, apply an appropriate template; if it does not, then use PROD or AfD, explaining your arguments. Do not invent new criteria for CSD, because that is not how Wikipedia works. If you are thinking about nominating an article for deletion just because it is unreferenced (other than BLP which has its own rules), see WP:BEFORE and try to source it first. WP:CIR: you are not at liberty to ignore a rule because it confuses you. PamD 08:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

@PamD

"you should avoid trying to work on NPP." - I won't avoid trying to work on NPP. I am not a fool. I know what I am doing.
"Do not invent new criteria for CSD, because that is not how Wikipedia works" - I didn't wish to. It was just one mistake. I try to learn from my mistakes. The patrolling doesn't confuse me. WP:CIR does not mean "come down hard on someone as soon as they make a mistake". Wikipedia most certainly has a learning curve.
"I thought I'd replied here yesterday, but I guess I used "Preview" and then didn't hit "Save"!" - should one interpret this as you are not competent enough to edit wikipedia because you lack the necessary concentration to click on a button? No. Furthermore, I am not saying what Kudpung and you are saying to me, is summarily bogus. I am saying exactly the opposite. I am asking you to have a little bit of patience. And asking for advice, not repeated warnings. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 14:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Árni Magnússon (politician)

As you check a thousand or two new articles every day and just might come across another Icelandic name...

Per WP:SUR, you forgot to add the sort value to the Icelandic category.Bgwhite (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out - I'd read the info but not digested the implication that having added a stub cat and a defaultsort I then needed to go back into the article to add the Icelandic sort key to the cat generated by the stub tag. Will try to remember next time round! PamD 07:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
In fact of course there are two Icelandic categories, the politicians and Category:Icelandic politician stubs (almost all of whom are sorting there by surname, and I'm sure it's not all my own work!). PamD 07:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I hadn't thought about the stub template with a sortvalue before. Checked, there is no way to add a sort value there. Brazilian footballers are the only other "weird" name in which a WikiProject has decided to do something different. On a side note, a ($*#( spider just bit me 20 minutes ago and now I have a HUGE bump on my hand. Hmmm, I have this feeling to go swing between buildings now. Bgwhite (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

DB Move

It's my standard practice to just do the bit that actually needs an admin, i.e. the deletion, rather than the move as well. I normally pick these up working through the CSD lists, as just deletions waiting for action. I check my deletion logs daily, to see if anything has been recreated that shouldn't be, and I think few, if any, of these housekeeping speedies are not blue-linked within a day. Hope this helps, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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Bro (instrument)

Thanks Pam, I forgot ;) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Edmund Thomas (disambiguation)

You're right, my bad. --Meno25 (talk) 13:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary

Hi. Apologies, I'm new to AWB and wasn't aware that I could change it. I've worked out how to do it now. Thanks for pointing it out. Del♉sion23 (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

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Michel Soymie

Hello PamD, sorry to mess up your work on the Michel Soymié (not Soymie) article I created earlier. It turns out that he is dead (2002), not a Living person - I don't know if there is an equivalent category Dead persons. Also I will need to ask an admin to change the name of the article to Michel Soymié with an e acute - I don't know whether that affects the Default Sort or whether accents are ignored anyway. Grateful for your advice/sorting out. Thanks. Opbeith (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Opbeith. Various replies:
  • Please, when you mention an article on a talk page, make it a link - saves other editors a little time.
  • You don't need to be an admin to move a page - I've just done it. Use the "Move" tag at the top of the article. Only problems are when there's already something at the title you want to move to (other than a redirect to the page being moved, with no edits after its creation): that's when you have to go to WP:RM if controversial, or use {{db-move}} if not.
  • Forget "dead persons", but add categories for birth and death dates - I've done it. When stub-sorting I usually add sortkey and those cats all in one with this: {{subst:l|1924|2002|Soymie, Michel}} (that's a lower case "L" as name of the template, not a "1") For unknown dates but likely still to be living, leaving out both dates - {{subst:l|||Soymie, Michel}} - generates the cats you saw for this article previously: living and date of birth unknown.
  • Sort key should definitely not have the accent: accented characters file weirdly, and the sort key should not include them.
  • If you see a red link for something which your instinct says is likely to have a Wikipedia article, like Bibliotheque Nationale Française, then it's worth looking around to see if the article exists under a slightly different title. It does here: Bibliothèque nationale de France. I've now made a Redirect from your version (hence it's looking blue now), as a likely mistaken version! (In fact, looking at the wonderful list of redirects to that title, it's amazing you found a wrong name for it which wasn't already linked!)
Hope that helps! PamD 07:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello PamD - thanks for all that help, and at that hour of the morning too! Apologies for making unnecessary work for you, I found more extra material than I expected and was well past sleeptime, so I bailed out and left stuff for this morning (I need to go and put some accents in that I couldn't face last night as well).

The last time I was involved in trying to Move an article there was a controversy raging whether article titles should have accents, so I was being cautious. I'm certainly in favour of including accents - I picked up the subject from the BL Dunhuang list where there was no accent and I had the wrong pronunciation in my head until I found the Bibliotheque Muncipale site. That's helpful to know about the sort key and accents - I've created a few articles with accented titles and I noticed that when Sort Keys were added they never included accents - I didn't understand Sort Key but I suspected there might be an issue there.

The combination sort key and categories tip is very handy - I'll lodge a copy in at my Talk Page as an aide-memoire.

I'm a pretty messy operator, definitely not librarian material, so I'm very grateful for your tidying up behind me!

All the best. Opbeith (talk) 09:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

spider stacy

hi pam, i see you edited spider stacy's wiki page again. Please let me know what your problems are with the passages you deleted. many thanks, louise stacy Louise stacy (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can see I have never edited the page Spider Stacy. (When you refer to a page on a talk page, please provide a link as a courtesy to the editor you are addressing and others who may read the talk page). Please check your information. I see that you made a major edit with the misleading edit summary "returned page after edit by unknown", after it had been edited by a large number of different editors, both named and IP, since it was last anything like that size in Nov 2011: please make sure that your edit summaries are accurate, and that you do not remove other editors' sourced contributions. I see that you share a surname with the subject: if you are related to him please read and be aware of WP:COI. Thanks. PamD 07:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Redirect

Hey Pam D

Thank you for your advice on my article on Stephen A. Schrum however I am a little confused as to what you mean as to how I go about adding the "Redirect" from "Stephen Schrum" - that you told me to, any further information of how I go about this would be helpful.

LydiaRDoyle1992 (talk) 12:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I just managed to create it. I am getting use to editing wikipedia : )

LydiaRDoyle1992 (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hina Khan (Pakistan)

Regarding the "notability" and "orphan" tags in the above-mentioned article, I have now inserted some more sources to help establish notability. I have also posted a more elaborate explanation on the article's talk page. Please review my response there. Regarding the "orphan" tag, I have added a link to the Fareeda Kokikhel Afridi article. Please discuss the issues on the article's talk page so that they may be resolved. Regards. OrangesRyellow (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

If we click Google News [1] right now, and expand the section listing news reports on Malala Yousafzai, we find that google is giving a link to our above-mentioned article even when it is stub class. Is that enough to take off the notability tag?OrangesRyellow (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

The Google argument absolutely doesn't work: its computers have found our article, that's all - nothing there to give any "notability". But the four newspaper refs probably just about add up to it, though I worry it's a bit like WP:BLP1E. I've removed the tag. I've also formatted one of the references properly - please do your readers the courtesy of giving full information for all your references (name of newspaper, date published, author if stated, date retrieved - because online resources can change): they should not have to follow a link just to find out where the information comes from, whether it's a well-respected source or not. Please also note that the "See also" section isn't the place to list all the other articles you think are related. Create a "navbox" template for "Women's rights in Pakistan" or something, but please don't list so many articles this way. Thanks. PamD 18:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I have expanded the refs as you suggested. Will add some more refs when I get around to expanding that article. Thanks for taking off the notability tag. I like the 'navbox' idea and though I am not familiar with the mechanics of creating a template, will give it a try...OrangesRyellow (talk) 19:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you so very much for all the generous help you've been giving me and my students.

-- ToniSant (talk) 09:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much - it's nice to see a UK university teaching students about Wikipedia, and I hope that some of them will continue to edit the encyclopedia even after the module is over. PamD 09:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Question moved from wrong place on talk page

Hi I am editing the article on Suzon Fuks, if I get permission off the artist to use her statement on waterwheel may I include this in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eusa65 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

The answer is simple: follow the "permission" link in the message on your talk page about copyright violation. That explains the system. But even if she gave you permission to dump everything from her website into your article, it's not written as an encyclopedia article. Phrases like "Here you can create and collaborate, rehearse and remix, present and exchange, participate and communicate—privately as a crew or publicly with an audience" are completely unsuitable in tone. You would do better to look at the information about Waterwheel on that page and extract some key ideas, plain factual information, which you then rewrite in your own words, bearing in mind that you are not writing advertising blurb but trying to explain what Waterwheel actually is for the benefit of readers of an international encyclopedia. PamD 19:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you

Hello Pam, just saying thanks for the alteration/ correction on the wiki article I am creating. I'm still fairly new to the wiki world and with your assistance it has helped me learn a little bit more on how it all works. Thanks again, keep up the good work. --LairdCharles (talk) 20:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)LairdCharles

Plaintext Players - Many thanks

Dear User:PamD Thank you very much for the assistance and cleanup on my page Plaintext Players please bare in mind the current state is just the ground works andI intend to add further detail about various shows from combining both primary sources and secondary. Best, SWalton91 (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thank you for attempting to help, don't think this is in my remitt for my life denise (talk) 12:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Just a thankyou for the help you've given me and other students with our articles - especially thanks from me for clearing up the stub issue. Thanks! Have some falafel. - Dregan Phillips (talk) 12:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for all your help over the last few days, I am really happy with how the page came out, and it would not have been as good without your advice and guidance. Joe Berwick (talk) 13:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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I just wanted to thank you for helping me and my colleagues in our early wikipedia lives. I feel that this cat symbolises our innocence in this community and that you will nurture us.

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Thank you again. LydiaRDoyle1992 (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for all your contributions, I know that all of my fellow students also greatly appreciate all the help you've been giving us. Franbundey (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for all the help on my wikipedia article, as well as my colleagues also. After your hard work, you deserve a drink. This one's on me :) LairdCharles (talk) 13:22, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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I see that most of my students have now thanked you personally for all the help you've given us during the last several days.

This morning each student gave a short presentation about their work on Wikipedia and they almost all managed to drop your name when it was their time to speak. The work goes on, of course, but this group will now be writing reflective essays on their success (or otherwise) with creating useful content for Wikipedia, understanding the conventions of contributing to this wiki, as well as engaging with other Wikipedians for an assessed hand-in tomorrow.

Once again, thank you so very much for all you help and support, Pam! -- ToniSant (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all (AIT 2)

How lovely to sit down after lunch and find all these Thank You gifts from the "Applied & Interactive Theatre 2" crowd!

I can't remember now just which of your articles I first came across while stub-sorting, but after I realised it was part of a set of articles from the module I began to look at others with interest. I'm sorry if I've been a bit brusque sometimes, but there's a lot to learn and you're supposed to be learning! Although not an official "Campus Ambassador" (and thus with no training in "how to help students"), I liked the idea of helping students from relatively close to home, and got interested in some of your topics. I did once, many years ago, set up an identity in Second Life, but never got the hang of it: by contrast, editing Wikipedia has become something of an addiction (and an occupation I can enjoy while semi-housebound with caring responsibilities in a rural village).

I've only today thought that it would have been useful to bring your articles to the notice of one or more appropriate WikiProjects: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Theatre and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing (there doesn't seem to be an appropriate narrower IT project - Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture sounded likely but doesn't look as if it covers your kind of thing). That way you'd have had editors who are interested in and/or knowledgeable about the broad topic areas, who might have been able to help - and perhaps to dive in to the rescue where your articles were nominated for Speedy Deletion or Proposed Deletion. Perhaps something for Toni to think about another year: the appropriate banner(s) on the talk page of each article will alert the project(s).

I'm glad if some of my comments or edits have been useful to some of you. I'm a bit old-fashioned about accuracy and punctuation ... but then so will be some of the people you need to impress with your writings in your futures. Capitals, hypens, apostrophes, grammatical structures: get them right, otherwise someone will read your job application, political flyer etc and either reject it out of hand or just have mildly negative vibes from it which do you no good. And in a computerised environment, getting them right in an article title or search term can make the difference between finding information and not doing so ... though in Wikipedia we can make as many "redirects" from likely misspellings or variant punctuations as we want, which helps.

I hope that some of you will stick around with Wikipedia, though you're obviously all busy with studies and probably performances too. I tend to sit down with a bowl of breakfast muesli to look at my watchlist ... and discover it's lunchtime because I've rambled around the map of human knowledge adding a stub tag here, fixing grammar there, moving an article to its correct title, sorting out hatnotes and disambiguation pages, and creating articles on a variety of topics (they renamed Mother's daycentre, I wondered where the name came from ... there's now an article on Edward Denis de Vitre!)

It's been fun helping you these last few days. Good luck with this module and the rest of your studies! If you do decide to continue with Wikipedia, feel free to drop by this page with any questions where I might be able to help: I've learned quite a lot about editing here in the last six years, though there are still huge gaps in my knowledge.

And thanks again for the thanks, both today and in earlier responses to my comments. Wikipedia is an amazing project - someone in the middle of nowhere with a solar-powered internet connection can access this great collection of increasingly well-written and reliably-sourced information, even if their nearest serious physical library is hundreds of miles away - and it's now got a few more useful articles about interactive theatre and its proponents. PamD 14:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

PS And of course, congratulations to you all on learning a lot about Wikipedia editing in a short space of time, from a standing start, with deadline pressures, and while living busy student lives! PamD 15:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Notability

Hey PamD

Due to the fact your advice has been so helpful I thought I connect you regarding my main problem at the moment. My article has been given a notability tag, I am in the process of trying to prevent my article from being deleted. Looking at number 4 of the Notability guidelines for academics it states if the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks, although Stephen A. Schrum has published several books would adding more details about these books more the article more notable? Also I have discovered this website which was suggested on wikipedia page for book citations world cat in which the date of the top is the year he was born.

Thank you for your help.

LydiaRDoyle1992 (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lydia, well done for finding that Worldcat record - I think you could add "(born 1957)" and cite the Worldcat record as your reference. Then add Category:1957 births. (Hint: if you want to mention a category in a talk page, without adding that talk page to the category, add a colon as in [[:Category:1957 births]].)
You've also now got his middle name, so can usefully add that to the opening sentence - this tends to include full names even when the subject never uses them.
And you have some more publications which you can add to your article, with publisher and ISBN details (click on each book in turn to get full info). Adding the ISBN, if you format it right - the letters ISBN in caps, then space, then the number - makes an automatic link, which is always an asset to your article. Ah, actually looking at them, two are his dissertations - but that's more information about him which you could usefully add, sourced to Worldcat. But the other one is in 238 libraries: can you find a review of it anywhere? (Worldcat hasn't got any linked).
You may still struggle to get him "notable", though. The rules are very strange, in that any footballer who has once played a single professional game counts as "notable" while academics have quite a high barrier to cross.
Check your spelling for "CALLAB-L". When you spell it right and Google it there are quite a few hits and one or two might be worth citing, like page 230 of https://journals.ku.edu/index.php/jdtc/article/viewFile/1923/1886. Does it still exist? Or is it historic info? (Do any listservs still exist?)
Good luck! PamD 18:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and advice here, as you can see I have taken into account what you said your advice has been brilliant.

LydiaRDoyle1992 (talk) 16:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Roy Anthony Cutaran Bennett

Thanks for the stub in SUBJECT article. That really helps. PamD is wonderful. Rammer (talk) 17:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Although an American married to a Swede, I'm a graduate of the University of Leeds. No joke. I used to live on Cumberland Road, LS2 9JT!! Rammer (talk) 19:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Suzon Fuks

Hi I'm eusa65 working on the Suzon Fuks article, I would be grateful if you could help me understand why a banner has appeared saying conflict of...on the Suzon Fuks page denise (talk) 01:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Denise, three points:
  1. Please remember to add a section heading when you write on a talk page - I've done it now. Even if it only says "question", it separates it from the previous topic.
  2. Please remember to give a link to the article eg Suzon Fuks when writing on a talk page, to save the editor and any talk page stalkers from having to type it themselves.
  3. Now the substantive question: I think the banner was inappropriately added and have removed it and commented on the talk page of the editor who added it. I also disagree with much of that editor's other edits on the page - which I didn't have on my "watch list", so I didn't notice what was going on. No time right now, got to take Mother out to a meeting, but will have a look at it later and see what I can do.
PamD 08:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Pam, a question from a question

Hi Pam, hoping you are well, I have had a person ask me a good question, but one I cannot answer myself. Thought maybe you could help me/us? Here's his question:

"there is one major task that needs to be done that I have not figured out how to do. Currently, a search on Wikipedia for Neohumanism takes you to http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Neohumanism#Neohumanism, which is just a small paragraph within a larger article on the propounder of this philosophy, Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar. I have added a link (a 'redirect'?) at the top of that small paragraph to the main article, which is Neohumanism (liberation of intellect). However, it would make much more sense if a Wikipedia search for "Neohumanism" took one directly to the main article. Hence, I would like to edit the titles and destinations for the two links (Neohumanism and Neohumanism (liberation of intellect)), essentially reversing them. I understand this is possible. I believe it is called "usurping a link". However, I have not been able to figure out how to do this. Could you please assist me with the process?"

Any thoughts? If you can help just pop back over to my page and you will see our discussion.

Many thanks and kindest regards, (MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 07:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC))

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IVLA

You continue to impress me. Not long after I express the opinion that "this is a silly situation", you remedy it. Good work, done well! Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - it seemed the best way to tidy it all up! PamD 12:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI: WormTT's userpage

Hey, PamD, just letting you know that I've reverted a rollback you did on User:Worm That Turned. A misclick, I'd imagine; God knows I've made enough of 'em. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I ask you a favor

Do you can give your opinion on this topic? Also see here and here. Tnx. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Religious offense deletion

Thanks for your contribution - I have placed references and commentary on talk page. This is a current world wide discussion on religious tolerance, and I am intolerant of intolerant religions. Are there any other sort of coercive organizations, religious or secular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timpo (talk • contribs) 04:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

This is not a newsletter

This is just a tribute.

Anyway. You're getting this note because you've participated in discussion and/or asked for updates to either the Article Feedback Tool or Page Curation. This isn't about either of those things, I'm afraid ;p. We've recently started working on yet another project: Echo, a notifications system to augment the watchlist. There's not much information at the moment, because we're still working out the scope and the concepts, but if you're interested in further updates you can sign up here.

In addition, we'll be holding an office hours session at 21:00 UTC on Wednesday, 14 November in #wikimedia-office - hope to see you all there :). I appreciate it's an annoying time for non-Europeans: if you're interested in chatting about the project but can't make it, give me a shout and I can set up another session if there's enough interest in one particular timezone or a skype call if there isn't. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk page

Well, that's kind of odd. Not sure what if anything I can actually do about it, but if I hear of anything I'll keep you posted. Bearcat (talk) 02:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Luisah Teish

Actually, I meant that I took the info the subject herself added to the article and split it up into sections with headings, and did some work on the bibliography. I didn't really know what else to do with it, and I didn't know if she intended to follow up with supportive citations, so I just cleaned up the page lay-out. If you see here, [2], the subject wrote over the previous article with a bunch of uncited text, and I tried with limited success to integrate it into the article and Wikify it.Rosencomet (talk) 09:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I worked that out while you were adding this, and have commented on Qworty's talk page. Sorry to jump in a bit hastily! PamD 09:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
No problem at all. Glad to have you work on it. Qworty is systematically gutting several of the articles I work on, and I really don't know what to do about it. You can read about some of what's going on on Qworty's talk page if you're interested at all.Rosencomet (talk) 09:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Have seen it. He's doing some stalwart work watching out for COI but is also throwing out babies with the bathwater - as in slamming COI tag onto a student's coursework article with no prior discussion on the article talk page because he assumed she was a student of the subject of the article (zero evidence except that they're in the same broad subject area, which is unsurprising!), and called her clumsy attempts at references "spam" links, justifying it as saying she was a WP:SPA. What student doing an assignment isn't? And he'd not spotted the "educational assignment" banner on the article talk page. PamD 09:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I just don't see how he/she can delete whole bibliographies with ISBN numbers as "unsourced". What sources are needed? What sources are EVER supplied to a bibliography? Then he/she turns around and shouts COI about simple non-controversial data like that. You should see what was done to Starwood Festival and Association for Consciousness Exploration, articles with dozens of citations about an event and an organization that's over thirty years old hosting dozens of notable speakers and entertainers.Rosencomet (talk) 09:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Looking more at Luisah Teish, though... I can't see any evidence of Notability in WP terms: where are the independent sources? Having published books is not enough, if they have not been reviewed or otherwise discussed in WP:RS. Lots of hits on bookseller websites, no doubt that her several books exist, but nothing to satisfy WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. PamD 09:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you, you are quite right, and you've convinced me. I just took it to AfD. Qworty (talk) 10:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. It's surprising it's been around this long without anyone tagging it as in need of sources for notability: book authorship verifies existence but not notability, and there seem never to have been refs or ELs except her own website and in an old version the dead link to http://www.ileorunmilaoshun.org/. It will be interesting to see what the AfD inspires. PamD 10:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry

I apologize Pam for not getting back to you. You dropped out "today's watchlist" notices without out me getting back to you and it became out of site and out of mind. Thank you for leaving the message to remind me. Bgwhite (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Starwood Festival

As long as you have reverted the redirecting of Association for Consciousness Exploration to Starwood Festival, I was hoping you would get a chance to review the editing Qworty has done on the Starwood Festival article itself. It seems extreme to me. Thank you for your attention.Rosencomet (talk) 18:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I was hoping you might look at this article. Qworty seems to be preventing any improvement on it by other editors, challenging every attempt. He/she has deleted the entire reference section, over 40 listings of books and articles with no attempt to evaluate them individually or discuss an of it on the talk page (some by such prominent journalists and authors as Paul Krassner, Margot Adler, Patricia Monaghan and Raven Grimassi), and insists that the lists of notable speakers and entertainers (lists similar to many other festivals and events; several are listed on the talk page) must have individual citations. This Starwood Campaign, as another editor has called it, continues: for instance, only the Starwood reference has been deleted from World Music [3]. It's the same pattern: delete references, then delete material as "unsourced".
I also question the Qworty practice of "streamlining", which seems to mean eliminating all sections and headings, leaving an article a much less readable block of text with no section guide generated near the top. Is this really an improvement? He/she has done it on many articles. Rosencomet (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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I had checked and there is not a single article linking to the sportsman's page. There are a bunch of user pages, sand boxes and the like, but I do not think these need fixing? Please respond on my talk page Refdoc (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Refdoc (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Lady Stanley

Well, I agree about Florence and the repeated year but the dates of birth and death certainly ought to be in the lead sentence. Whoever told you otherwise surely didn't encounter many biographical articles here, let alone good ones. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Opening paragraph. As for the sections, I'm not sure if there's a rule saying anything about them, but they seem to be avoided when articles are very short, which makes sense - why have a section that contains only a sentence or two? I can assure you the article won't be tagged and I'll try to find a relevant guideline. Surtsicna (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

The article does have sections, just not too many. As the MoS says, "very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose." Good luck tracking down Ms West and wasting the rest of your day :D Surtsicna (talk) 18:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Your proposed deletion of Religious Offense

As I am a lawyer and as the article is connected to a broadly legal, rather than religious concept, my considered response appears at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Religious_offense Timpo (talk) 14:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

User:CBeebies

Fair enough, I've changed the block to a softer block which allows a new account to be created. Obviously this has to be done since the current name infringes username policy anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Religious offense

I have expanded and restructured this article in order to try to address your concerns. Please would you review the article and advise your current deletion opinion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Religious_offense (if not ready please User talk:Timpo or Special:emailUser/Timpo) Timpo (talk) 11:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding Speedy deletion nomination of Moralism (disambiguation)

Hello PamD. I had created the disambiguation page as an interim measure while editors were deciding whether to have Moralism (the religion) or a disambiguation page be the landing spot for "moralism," but I see the point you're making. In that case, (once I get everything clarified with Editor2020) we'll have Moralism (the religion) as the landing spot for "moralism" and then have an "other meaning" link at the top of the page for the philosophy of moralism (which redirects to "Morality"). JBogdan (talk) 23:53, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

I didn't mean to put the inappropriate tags on American Community School and have modified my settings to prevent something like that from happening again. Andrew (talk) 19:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Blessing in Disguise

An excellent example of a Blessing in Disguise is the case of the Zeppelin LZ 4.

However the Blessing in Disguise disambig article failed to mention (until today) the striking Zeppelin LZ 4 example.

Also, the Zeppelin LZ 4 article failed to use this term, or link back to the Blessing in Disguise article.

Well they do now, if you don't wipe the relevant changes.

Blessing in Disguise and List of blessings in disguise might be merged if you so wish.

Tabletop (talk) 08:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting me to the changes to the dab page, which I have indeed reverted as being inappropriate for a dab page. No dab page for a common noun or term would be expected to list every article which could be described as that term (think about Horse (disambiguation) which does not list every horse in Wikipedia). You could try creating a Category, though I don't know where in the hierarchy of categories it would go.
There are many idiomatic phrases which can be used subjectively about many events, people, or things. We do not need a list of "Stitches in time which saved nine" or "Incidents where people looked before they leaped". "Blessing in disguise" is a subjective term (someone's grandfather's death may be a blessing for the lady waiting for the vacancy in the care home, or indeed that grandfather may have been molesting his neighbour's children). It is reasonable to state, with sources, something like "The crash has been described as a 'blessing in disguise' as it led to ....", (though as Zeppelins were then used in war to wreak damage on civilian populations, was it really a blessing?) but I do not believe that an encyclopedic "list of blessings in disguise" is possible. PamD 09:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Sorry about you having to tell me 4 times about the dab tag. The problem is simple memorability. I created User talk:In ictu oculi/Useful and added the instruction there. Am I the only user you've ever had to tell twice :( ? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Non-Serendipity

You are proposing List of blessings in disguise for deletion without merging its contents with Blessing in Disguise, a disambig page.

You also fail to notice that blessings in Disguise is rather similar to Serendipity, where there are no crosslinks to BiD.

One of the great strengths of Wiki is the ease of making, which does not appear to be one of your strong points.

A link to related pages is as important as external reference.

Tabletop (talk) 06:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I am indeed proposing deletion of the list, which seems to me to be unencyclopedic, and it would not be appropriate to add its entries to the dab page as they are not articles with titles ambiguous with the phrase "Blessing in Disguise". I see that you have removed the PROD, with no comment beyond "Fix", so I have taken it to AfD. PamD 09:22, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Minor coorection

AFAIK, apart from adding two sections regarding List of Blessings in Disguise, all that I did extra was to change the capitalisation to List of blessings in disguise. Tabletop (talk) 09:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Tabletop. PamD 09:09, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I don;t remember deleting the word "striking" though I do remember puttung it in a few days ago.
I do not remember deleting your talk page "Thank you for alerting..." paragraphs, and cannot explain how they disappered.
Tabletop (talk) 09:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Janine Thompson

The article Janine Thompson has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. -- Patchy1 02:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Ref now added - I thought I'd done so but must have forgotten to click "Add citation" after doing "Preview citation". Must remember to always check! PamD 08:51, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Pennsylvania

Moved from my talk page. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I guess the above editor raised it here because you seem to have created a large number of minimal stubs. An example is Allensville, Pennsylvania. If you're bulk-producing stubs like this, could you:
(I've done most or all of the above on this one)
When you're working on a lot of similar articles it would be a real help to the encyclopedia if you could do those things, and it's much easier for you to assign stub types and categories as you go along and have the sources to hand. PamD 10:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying. You want me to do more work than what I am doing. I can't. I do not have the desire to put any more work into those pages than I have. They are not a topic of great interest for me, and researching topics that I have little interest in, simply isn't my cup of tea. I was simply creating some requested pages, even though the subject was boring to me personally, for the good of Wikipedia. Don't take this the wrong way PLEASE. I do what I can, I'm sorry if you don't feel it's enough. I assume that those interested in the subject matter can take it from there. By the way, you did a LOT of work, it really looks good. Wikipedia needs more editors like you. It is nice to meet you. Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Best wishes to all my talk page stalkers for a Peaceful Christmas and a Happy and Healthy 2013. PamD 00:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Polgasowita

Hello PamD. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Polgasowita, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article has been edited since it was tagged and has sufficient context to identify subject. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Apologies PamD, the message above was my fault. I tidied up the article, then went off on some other tangent without removing the A1. --Shirt58 (talk) 08:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem - delighted to see someone upgrading it. PamD 09:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Wikify

You've been adding the wikify template to articles with some of your AWB edits [4], [5]. However that template doesn't exist anymore. If you go to the discussion section of WP:AWB perhaps you can find a link to a snapshot of an updated version of AWB which no longer adds this template? Thanks 130.88.141.34 (talk) 12:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out! After [Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Wikify a plea for help] I've now got a snapshot version which apparently should fix the problem. But I should have been more alert and spotted the problems as I went along. PamD 19:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for your help..I just don't know what I'm doing, I wasn't trying to create faux notoriety for myself..or delete the speedy deletion header...or any other thing...it was all done completely out of stupidity..I shall stay far far away from editing wikipedia in future...xox Patricia Wells 19:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

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A Barnstar for you!

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Massachusetts smallpox epidemic

To answer your question in editing description of Massachusetts smallpox epidemic‎: Not in history of smallpox, but in history of colonies.

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Stub sorting

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James Watson

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I spy an SPI?

Since you were just on Binko's talk page, you might want to know about this. EEng (talk) 23:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

entered information about our labyrinth between Millendreath and Seaton

Hi Pam

hope this reaches you okay - I'm a newbie at this lark! - the website is www.thelabyrinth.org.uk, and the lat and long (if that's the ref you want) is 50.363788N and -4.41806W - or do you want the National Grid ref? If so, let me know and I'll try and work it out.

Also, the labyrinth is described on the South West Coast Path National Trail's website - see http://www.southwestcoastpath.com/walksdb/533/ (scroll down to (2) and read from there - several paragraphs)

hope this is enough information for you :-) Caroline Petherick 91.85.37.182 (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Caroline, What I meant by "reference" was a published account of the labyrinth, independent of yourselves. I've found a nice mention by the National Trust, and added it as a reference ... someone else had already deleted your addition by the time I went back to it (though without any comment, which is bad practice), so I've replaced it with the supporting NT ref.
When you add anything to a talk page, please sign it using ~~~~ or the "signature" button - it adds your username or IP address, and date and time. Thanks. PamD 17:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Just noticed you'd signed it but somehow stuck the sig into the middle of the words - have moved your sig to the end! There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia, but it's an entertaining journey. Happy Editing. PamD 17:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
And if we ever get round to doing the SWCP again, perhaps from Poole to Minehead this time, we'll look out for it! PamD 17:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pam

Thanks for your help - both re etiquette and re the text. (I am, I must say, mystified as to why anyone should have just deleted my words without saying.) I've just had a look at the page, and I see the superscript number 44 plus the note referring to the National Trust website, so thank you very much for doing that. Blimey, Poole to Minehead??? I gather the ups and downs involved in doing that accumulate to the same as climbing Mount Everest four times over!! But if you're ever in this neck of the woods, do feel free to visit us. I can't see any Signature button, so I hope that putting ~~~~ at the end will do the trick! Caroline P ~~~~

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U-8047

Just FYI, see this posting and this website. I've emailed the skipper to confirm what Jericho has said. Best regards (and how are you doing?), TransporterMan (TALK) 22:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: yes, I'd noticed Russ's edits, but didn't pursue it. Interesting reading! And life goes on, still spending too much time Wiki-editing! PamD 23:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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restoration of text

Why did you restore the discussion at the Rah Crawford AfD?  There are two priorities (1) we are here to build an encyclopedia, and (2) don't change the meaning.  After your edit, readers had no obvious way to know that I had removed an unnecessary discussion thread.  Unscintillating (talk) 09:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I replaced it because Boleyn had expressed unhappiness at your removal of her comments, and because it seemed inappropriate for one editor to unilaterally remove a discussion in which another editor had participated. Other editors had contributed to the AfD after the text you deleted had been added, so by removing it you were removing the context in which they had made their contributions. I did not change the meaning of anything - no-one had edited the page between your removal and my replacement. PamD 09:45, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
When you accuse me of "changing the meaning" I wonder whether you are mistaking me for the following editor? PamD 09:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
One, your revert removed a comment that I had added to the talk page.  Two, your revert added material to the talk page that had been removed.  Neither change could be known by subsequent readers without finding your edit in the edit history.  Both you and the subsequent editor changed meaning.  You can also argue as you have that I changed meaning, but the edit I made left a notice to alert readers to review the edit history.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Reading the above, I worried that I had accidentally removed a real contribution to the discussion, but was relieved to find this was not the case. The only comment of yours which I removed was "Notice: A discussion thread that has gone off-topic has been removed with this edit.  The discussion thread is retained in the edit history". As the removed text was being replaced, this was now irrelevant. The bottom line is that an exchange of comments involving contributions by more than one editor should not have been removed. PamD 07:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The word "accidentally" shows that you were not aware that the revert removed a comment.  You agree that you did remove the comment.  You state that you knew that removed text was being restored.  Your revert hides my removal of what I characterized as an unnecessary discussion thread, and your revert does not disclose your own modification of the talk page.  Your defense conveys that you see no difference between a revert of an article edit and a revert of a talk page edit.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The revert can now also be seen in the context of the conversation on this talk page.  Having ignored my simple direct explanation of the problem for two posts, these three edits as a group show a pattern of escalation.  How far do you want to escalate this?  Unscintillating (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
This discussion is not worth continuing, and I do not intend to reply further. PamD 07:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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Ujkiol

Seriously, nothing more irritating for a new editor than to have a veteran stalk him and keep tagging and prodding him and making editing miserable for him. Can you please back off a little and allow him to get his bearings, Ipigott and myself can help him.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I PRODded one article on a Danish hymn at a time when it gave no indication of notability and was not mentioned in the author's page on either EN or Danish Wikipedia. When the author dePRRODded and mentioned the Canon I created appropriate links, improved its category, and went on to propose moving the author to a better article title. I later found more of the editor's new articles while stub-sorting (not stalking), and made what I thought were helpful comments, including creating Category:Danish paintings for two of them to go into (and finding it had been a redlinked category in another article for 2 years already). I don't recall that I've tagged any of his articles. I queried (with him, rather than as a "disputed") one fact which looked distinctly odd, and pointed out the setup of paintings date categories, which he clearly didn't know as he'd used a wrong decade category probably mistakenly for a century. I doubt that my help made him miserable, and don't think it's right to say that I "keep tagging and prodding him". We can all help in different ways. PamD 11:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'd normally assume good faith but it was your tagging for deletion or notability of one of the Danish canon articles amd seeing a lot of posts on his talk page which prompted this. I don't want to frighten off potentially fantastically productive editors!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

You commented on WT:RM: I think this conversation echoes my problems in the earlier discussion about RMassist: the documentation about technical moves is not at all clear. Maybe needs a flowchart or a set of yes/no questions to help a newcomer to the page to navigate and find their answer? PamD 09:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Pam, can you help again with progressing this beyond just WT:RM, not a single byte of actual improvement to WP:RM has resulted in a month of raising it. Best regards. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Disambiguation articles

There needs to be a consistent pattern established for these name articles. Not all of them include lists of people and probably should not since there are far too many Mary's or Elizabeth's, etc. Most of the name stubs I have created are referred back to the article List of most popular given names. The Disambiguation bot tags all of the articles that are Disambiguation pages and notes that they are almost always a mistake. When that template is left in place yet another bot comes along and links articles to bio articles that have nothing to do with the given name. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm copying this to User_talk:Bookworm857158367#Given_name_stubs and will reply there. PamD 12:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit on White noise a Tale of Horror

Sorry I wasn't here I had to do school work and I only managed to add some information not all since the schedule is kind of keeping me off the site from time to time. I can't fully make it a Non-stub for that page since my computer at home has been acting up lately and theirs hardly any other information to find unless I ask Milkstone studios about it? --Indienews (talk) 15:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Borderline mental retardation

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Tanya Monro

Now tell me: How would wikipedia manage without you? There doesn't seem to be ANYONE else doing what you're doing, and in my (no doubt biassed) opinion, what you are doing is "an essential service". Again in my no doubt biassed opinion, I believe what you are doing is "under appreciated", and this is to bring to your attention that there is at least one person who appreciates your work. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words! I think there are quite a lot of busy wiki-gnomes tidying things up, making connections, sorting stubs, etc. It's got the fascination of an infinite jigsaw-puzzle - and acts as a displacement activity when I ought to be getting on with a whole lot of real life stuff! PamD 12:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)(Hilarious debilitating laughter.) "Procrastination is the thief of time", but that's not the (only) issue. Wikipedia provides one with the impression and excuse that what one is doing is so valuable that it could not possibly be procrastination. As somebody else once said: "You can fool some of the people all of the time - particularly yourself." Pdfpdf (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
... And a working life as a librarian has left me with the tendency to want to know what any abbreviation stands for - FTSE to me means the stock market index, so I searched around to track down what it meant as a postnominal (it had been linked to a dab page!). PamD 12:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. More information please so I can address, (and possibly even resolve), that problem. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
It was solved within the diffs you linked above. Fellowship of the Australian ... oh I forget what, but it's now linked anyway and added to the dab page! PamD 14:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
(Place tongue firmly in cheek.) Now isn't that typical of you imperialists! "oh I forget what". Yeah. I bet you don't forget what FRS means! ;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Put it down to short term memory problems and a good lunch! PamD 14:42, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

About Rochelle School of the Arts

Hi PamD,
From what I can see, this appears to be an elementary school, albeit one which has adjuncts to the standard curriculum for talented children. The usual outcome of a WP:AFD for a US elementary school would be a WP:REDIRECT to its school district, in this case Polk County School District, Florida.
There appears to be some assertion of notability of this school in what we have edited, so I'm leery of simply redirecting it, or sending it to AfD.
Your thoughts? Peter aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:47, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Hadn't noticed the age range. Seems to be scope for an article about the predecessor school on the site - see google books - but there isn't even a list of elem in the area (either at Polk County Public Schools or at Lakeland,_Florida#Education (hmm, list of middle schools there, should it be included?), so if we redirected the connection would be lost. Perhaps best to leave it in existence for now? PamD 10:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
d'accord.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Stubs

Thanks for the stub missive, I'll be more careful. Your stub work and new article work is mightily impressive! Do take a look at my lovely collection of red links if you're ever in need of more material. Thanks again. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Wholeheartedly Sorry!!!!

Hi PamD, this is Ajay from the translation screwup on the Danish page... I cannot express how sheepish I feel for committing that very silly mistake... Careful is not the word; I will keep my eyes and mind wide open and be very vigilant and I sincerely hope you will forgive me... I was planning to put the article or deletion but decided against it and so used the translation tag for the very first time and I messed up, I'm not trying to justify myself. But I hope you don't think of me as a bad and stupid editor... I hope you can forgive for this one silly mistake as advice from a senior editor like you to juniors like me... And plz feel free to blast me the next time I commit such errors, which I promise will never happen again.... Sorry once again!!!Ajayupai95 (talk) 12:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

That "Needs translation" tag is cumbersome to use properly - I don't know why "someone" can't fix it so that the report gets generated automatically when you add the tag, but for now it doesn't. Once we got it listed on that list, someone would probably have come along pretty soon to read it, understand the Danish, and delete it, so it was the right tag to add - but Google Translate is pretty useful for a short stub like that one. Sorry if I came over a bit fierce on this one. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey. Happy editing! PamD 23:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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Award

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Thank you so much! PamD 21:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Your recent deletions

Interesting article here on decline of participation in Wikipedia:

http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellows/

"A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by former Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30 percent of its English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated rejections, restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors."

You're mentioned by name in this thread:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/935750/wikipedia-editors-needed

Some food for thought. 68.144.172.8 (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Yes, and the result of the thought and a little research is:
  1. Of course as a non-admin I can't actually delete anything
  2. Checking my CSD log and PROD log I don't see that I nominated any of User:ILIKESPI's games articles
  3. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Armageddon:_Tactical_Combat,_3000-500_BC shows I tried to save some of these games articles from deletion
  4. I gave the editor some constructive suggestions at User_talk:ILIKESPI#Games_articles
  5. ... and did quite a bit myself to improve them - eg these changes
  6. So I don't really think I'm the problem here, and I suggest that Michael Dorosh of boardgamegeek misread the events and was mistaken in what he said about me. Possibly just has a prejudice about librarians. PamD 23:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello PamD...

Both the Hunt Stromberg and Ken Swofford articles ARE stubs.

I researched Stromberg {see history and Hunt Stromberg Jr.} and know for a fact this article isn't even the tip of the iceberg; no solid information about his early career, personal life or subsequent racing affiliations - and he was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood! For example: he orchestrated the cover-up when Jean Harlow's husband committed suicide (can't remember source off-hand, may have been "Hollywood Babylon"). This article should be at least 5 times as long as it is.

I also created the Swofford article and had a heck of a time 'cobbling' it together from tag ends; for an actor who was so prolific there's very little information out there - quite possibly by his or his family's choice; someone has already changed his birth date, which is currently incorrect (at least based on the consensus of source at the time it was written).

I did the best I could (mistakes and all), but for sure someone out there can do better - which is the whole point of Wikipedia in the first place. Hence the "stubs," and I'm re-instating them.

Since ArielGold left I've been looking for a mentor/collaborator: would you be interested? Cheers! Shir-El too 15:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I disagree that they are stubs: they may be incomplete, but WP:STUB says "Sizable articles are usually not considered stubs, even if they have significant problems or are noticeably incomplete." Add any cleanup tags which seem appropriate, and/or comment on the talk pages, but don't waste the time of stub-sorters by asking us to stub-sort these non-stubs. I'm not going to stub-sort them right now, and if I'm cleaning out Category:Stubs and they're the last two left I'll de-stub them again. You might be lucky - someone less fussy might stub-sort them before then. I'm flattered to be asked to be your mentor, but I'd rather not take on any commitment to anyone here on Wikipedia - I just go around Wikignoming as the mood takes me. Best wishes, PamD 18:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
If you think particular sections are too thin within the articles, you could add {{expand section}} in appropriate sections. More informative to the next editor than just calling the whole thing "an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject". PamD 18:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi again!

I rechecked the talk pages: Stromberg was designated 'start', Swofford is still 'stub.'
I don't know what a "stub sorter" does.
Thank you very much for the {{expand section}} tag; I'll use it often.
And thank you for your time. Have a really nice day! Cheers! Shir-El too 20:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
A stub-sorter looks at articles given a tag like {{stub}} and amends that to {{Tuscany-geo-stub}} or {{US-film-bio-stub}} or whatever is appropriate. See WP:WSS. Articles may be called "stub-class" by a project and still not be a Stub as described at WP:STUB. PamD 22:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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David Martyn

Sometimes WP amuses me - usually regarding my own behaviour. Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.

In December I was looking at the Founding Fellows of the Australian Academy of Science, and was surprised to find so many red links, including David Martyn. It didn't take long to find David Forbes Martyn, so I created David Martyn as a redirect to David Forbes Martyn. (There was some reason why I couldn't move DFM to DM). A week ago, LlywelynII turned it into a dab/hndis page, without a dab or hndis template. About 48 hours ago, Dawynn added the dab template. About 24 hours ago, a bot added the "incoming links template; 30 or more links". What I should have done is what I originally did, and what you subsequently did.

Moral: Engage brain and think first, rather than don't think, engage auto-pilot, and achieve nothing particularly useful. Or worse: and achieve an even bigger mess. Ho hum. Pdfpdf (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC) (P.S. Once again: Thank you!)

I could see there'd been a lot of action! It looks to me as if he probably ought to be moved from DFM to plain DM - you might like to do a WP:RM for it as you're familiar with Australian scientists? PamD 17:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
That's not a bad idea. Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


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Thanks for the information on where to place stubs. Cheers. Mfribbs (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for Catching Mistake

Hi PamD!

Sorry about my mistake on Seán Óg Ó Ciardubháin. I remember unchecking the "stub" box when I realized it was already marked as a stub but I guess it didn't go through. Plus, I've been having an off day. Sorry again and thanks for letting me know. Hope that was the only case.

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Thanks for Catching Mistake

Hi PamD!

Sorry about my mistake on Seán Óg Ó Ciardubháin. I remember unchecking the "stub" box when I realized it was already marked as a stub but I guess it didn't go through. Plus, I've been having an off day. Sorry again and thanks for letting me know. Hope that was the only case.

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I wish I could give you a real cookie to say sorry but this will have to do! Thanks for all your work! Sosthenes12 (talk) 20:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

William Sutton Polstrada

Well spotted! That was quite a plausible-looking one at first glance. I had just done final checks and was reaching for the delete button, but Anthony Bradbury got there first. JohnCD (talk) 21:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The first thing which made me suspicious, though of copyvio rather than anything else, was the reference numbers. And then it was odd that Googling couldn't find the source text (I'd picked a line with "Polstrada" in it - unwise in the circs!). The photo wasn't from any source (the editor's family album I guess). I looked for the two "famous" books in COPAC, and couldn't find either: alarm bells ringing. It seemed highly unlikely that someone I'd never heard of was the second best British writer since 1945, in 2008, but I persisted (the joys of online public library access to The Times) and found Orwell... ! It shouldn't have taken such a lot of time and energy, but I'm pleased to have cracked it. PamD 21:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Last night I was seriously wondering whether to quit Wikipedia after a run-in with unco-operative editors and what felt like general stupidity and unhelpfulness. I'm now feeling more cheerful - that quest was fun! PamD 21:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, zapping a hoax is very satisfying, particularly when it is got rid of within hours like that. Have a look at this AfD - that one survived a couple of months, and I had a lead because the same author had an earlier hoax, but it was an interesting one to check out. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

added the copyleft code to the page in question

I have added the copy left emblem to the bottom of the page in question, let me know if you would like anything else to prove my existence :), and the ownership of ANY of the text I post The Domain http://hillbillgold.com, and all subdomains do in fact belong to me, and I hereby give Wikipedia any and all right to link to any text on this domain. Hillbelly (talk) 11:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

The inconspicuous and unlinked "Copyleft" symbol at http://hillbillyhomepage.hillbillygold.com/ contradicts the wording on the site which says "All rights reserved", which makes it all somewhat confusing. I see that the Hillbilly jamboree has now been deleted. If you re-create it using the same material apparently copied from the Hillbilly site I expect another editor will query it or deleted it, just the same. Material must not be added to Wikipedia if it cannot then be freely re-used for all purposes including commercial purposes, subject only to proper attribution. If it is copied from a site labelled "All rights reserved", it cannot be so re-used. If you want to put that material into Wikipedia, please see the second paragraph of the copyright message on your talk page, and follow it through. Thanks. PamD 14:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Apparently deciding that Wikipedia would provide a wider audience for his information, the owner of Hillbillygold.com has deleted all content from the Hillbilly Jamboree page on his own site in order to avoid any copyright issue. I'm not sure that is a valid move, but we clearly can no longer verify any copyright violations. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Interesting! Thanks for rewriting it with fewer capitals and fewer links. PamD 15:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
You took a lot of efforts in pointing out the mistakes I made. You do have good patience and a determination to maintain the standards of Wikipedia. Now take this hot cup of coffee and forgive me for my disruptive edits. Jayadevp13 (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Also have a cookie with the cup of coffee. Once again Sorry! Jayadevp13 (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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It looks like we had an edit conflict, but I put my version into the article since I was in the middle of creating the "Composition history" section and moving material out of the lede. There's more to come. Tried to pick up on things you'd changed, but would be happy to see you make any appropriaye changes/improvements. Just fyi: I'm still working on Comp. hist, as there is plenty of new stuff out there on Morrison's website. Viva-Verdi (talk) 22:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me - I've re-done the little copyedits you missed. PamD 23:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

TOC for DAB

Hi PamD,

sorry for the confusion, I am not so familiar with the en.WP and the differences between your article and dab pages. Investigating a little I figured out that (my) de.WP dab pages have no TOC at all...weired world. Greetings from sunny but cold Berlin
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SS Alba

Hello PamD, I'm dropping by on a courtesy visit to let you know that I have done some extra work on your recent article about the SS Alba. Maybe when you get a chance you could come back to it and give it a review please, to see how the changes sit with you.

I found quite a bit of info on [6], also where you say that 2 or 5 people perished I have ammended it to 5 as per the info I found on that website, so please check how it is for you.

Anyway, wishing you all the best and many thanks. Kindest regards and happy wiki-ing, (MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 12:45, 23 March 2013 (UTC))

Thanks for dropping by. Glad to see the article expanded, though I've cleaned up a few bits and pieces (you might want to check on how to cite a reference multiple times). I might try and find local or national newspaper coverage to see if we can settle the 2/5 deaths query. The phrase you're thinking of is "The fateful night", not "Faithful", but I don't think it is an appropriate section heading for an encyclopedia article even when correct! Is that your own theory about the ship not being able to manouevre? If not, please give a reference. Thanks. PamD 14:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Categories in "see also" section

PamD's note: Arising from Paranoid anxiety

Just asking. Why do you feel categories are not appropriate in the see also section? With the ":" prefix operator they are just regular links. A good portion of users are totally unfamiliar with categories, and what they lead to. They are at the bottom of the page and can be easily confused as a "bibliographic" stamp that does nothing. The use in the see also section calls particular attention to specific categories. Its a specific signal to the reader that there are other pages on Wikipeda that may be of particular interest to someone reading a particular page. It can signal the reader that there are many "closely related" articles available. It's a navigation tool, plus a short cut to avoid listing many articles in the see also section. A "heads up, this isn't the full story" alerting the reader, many closely related, perhaps overlapping articles that should not be missed if more detail is required. I can't find any WP policy against there use as a link, that's what the ":" prefix is for. I've also seen them used in other articles, and in the main text, in hat notes, etc. Is that all wrong? Rick (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, WP:SEEALSO says "A bulleted list, preferably alphabetized, of internal links to related Wikipedia articles." and makes no mention of the possibility of linking to categories. But go ahead and replace them if you want. PamD 08:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Pam, Thanks very much for your flexibility. I see you are from the U.K. and the cite was from Melanie Klein, a fantastic U.K. psychologist. Rick (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Saul High

Thanks! I like to be thorough in redirecting things so people come to the right place :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks. Glad to be able to help! Happy Editing. PamD 19:10, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you - it looked an interesting article in need of a bit of help! PamD 09:30, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Schuch

Has User_talk:Rodeorm ever reacted to your note of 2009? I am persuaded that his/her article is a pile of crap, or more politely: a hoax. See my remarks under discussion to "Schuch" Talk:Schuch and please answer there. Thanks noychoH (talk) 11:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Alba

Pam, I personally don't see "Alba" for the Gaelic name of Scotland being more prevalent than other uses. Type in "Alba" under Google, Yahoo, etc, and Scotland's name is not a top hit (excluding the Wikipedia page). However, I have no desire to make a change that is vastly unpopular, or disrupts a number of links, so I have voiced my support for reverting the changes. DavidinNJ (talk) 13:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I see it's all been put back in place now. If you want to propose that the Scottish name is not the Primary Topic for the word "Alba" (which might well be the case), you need to use Requested Moves to propose the multiple page move (and I'm not sure whether ".. (name)" would be the ideal disambiguator... perhaps "... (Scotland)"? Or set it up as a RM to unknown title and see what suggestions are made?). Then there can be discussion, consensus, and if a page move is made someone needs to make sure that all the links currently pointing to Alba are tidied up to point to wherever it ends up. PamD 15:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

RE: Proposed deletion of Irvine (Sesame Street)

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Ok, I agree. That's no problem for me Kagawaen (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)kagawaen

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Thank you. I hope I've helped you cope despite the username! PamD 22:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson/Archive. For background, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Paul Bedson and [7]. He has stated that he will continue to create sock puppets unless he is unblocked. Dougweller (talk) 16:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


GNU C-Graph

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Starting Dr Witt Company

Hello , I see you are always checking my work . So I wanted a bit of advice - please , if I want to start a new page , like I have done with Tymbark (company) - do I need to always put (company) after it so it will be easier for people to understand the article? Thank you again for helping me! OliwierB (talk) 19:46, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hallo Oliwier: No, if the company is called "Dr Witt" and there is no other Wikipedia article with that name, just call the article Dr Witt. You only need to add a "disambiguator" (the thing in brackets, like "(company)") if there is something else with the same basic title. I hope that helps. And please don't use so much bold text - if you want to list a company's products, do so, but they don't all need to be bolded. PamD 19:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Catherine Bell

Hello there! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Catherine Bell the actress is undoubtedly the best known of the three individuals sharing that name(at the moment at least), but in the long-term, I have to suspect that the academic shall rise quite significantly in prominence; she really is a very senior academic in the field of ritual studies, and is heavily cited in anthropology, archaeology, and religious studies. So for that reason, I shall go through and start putting in the correct links in all those other pages (here goes the next hour of my life!). All the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. PamD 22:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

E-ACT

Can you explain some of the notability of this charity. I rarely ask but I was considering an AFD here.. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I was editing Leeds West Academy and read on the school's website that its sponsor is E-ACT. That website gives no info about the organisation, and I wanted to know more about it. Having found its website, it seemed reasonable to create a WP article about it, as "What's E-ACT?" will be a logical question to be asked by readers of articles about the 30 schools it runs (OK, some are primary schools so won't have articles, but ) I found the Guardian article, and there may be more to be said. It educates 20,000 students, so seems to be notable - compare to some of the tiny US school districts which we're told are all notable. I'd never heard of it until an hour or two ago, but I no longer live full time in Leeds and don't have school-age children or a professional involvement in education. PamD 15:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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