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redirects from species to genus

Hi, I noticed that you created a redirect at Elephantopus elatus redirecting to Elephantopus. This practice has not been considered desirable by most people working on plant articles (and maybe species in general; not as sure about the other kingdoms). The practice has been to leave the links red until a species article is written (if the genus article exists, the link could be written as Elephantopus elatus to provide the reader something relevant to link to). There should be some past discussions somewhere in the WT:PLANTS archives; I don't know if there is a policy which covers it. Kingdon (talk) 03:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that pointer. I'm certainly not a plants expert, was just passing by to sort a stub. Will bear it in mind another time. PamD (talk) 07:54, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Rewriting the link as you suggest would mean that there wasn't a redlink left to link to the article if it was ever written - but I've added a separate link to the genus (in the stub Elephantopin which started this off) and requested speedy deletion of the redirect. PamD (talk) 08:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

If I want both the bluelink and the redlink I tend to write Elephantopus elatus (although I'm not sure that is obviously better than what you did, which also provides the blue and red links). Thanks for fixing this up, and if you have any questions about plant articles there are a lot of knowledgable people at WT:PLANTS. Kingdon (talk) 14:04, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the help with the stub format and layout process, just new to this and didn't notice that formatting rule *hit head* thought I had it down pat... Anyways, thanks again! Teamtheo (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Pam...

...for your sorting here--but why don't you give me a hand and finish writing the article? ;) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Gerald L. K. Smith

Thanks for catching that and alerting me. The editor who moved it then moved it back, so the bot had the same name in both slots. Since the question has been raised, and it's a close call, I've (hopefully) fixed the template and we can see if there's any more input.   Will Beback  talk  20:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Dana Walsh

Pam, I noticed that you'd retagged the Dana Walsh article, which I've started working on. I'm going to continue to add information, but this is the first article I've actually created from scratch, and I'm fairly new to wikipedia.

I just want to invite you to correct me and point me in the right direction when I inevitably screw up, on that page in particular. Feel free to let me know what's wrong either on my talk page or in the article discussion for Dana Walsh.

Thanks! Jonschr (talk) 20:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello!

Thank you for adding the specific stub messages to Balalaika (musical), but why did you remove the film reference? Cheers! Shir-El too 20:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Because no-one looking for the film would fall across the article on the musical. The disambiguation page at Balalaika (disambiguation) points to them both, and the article at Balalaika points to that disambiguation page, but "hatnotes" pointing from one disambiguated article title to another, or to the disambiguation page, are considered to be unnecessary clutter in articles and get deleted. It's explained at Wikipedia:Hatnote#Examples_of_improper_use as "Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous". Hope that helps! PamD (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Thank you, Shir-El too 21:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Hub & HUB

Thanks for merging HUB into Hub. It looks good. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 13:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Requesting help

Hi Pam. I need help in archiving my User talk page. It has grown too long and I would like to create a new one where I do not have to scroll that long to get to the current page. Thanks. Fsmatovu (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Paul Dunay

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FYI, now at AfD.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 23:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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Unreferenced BLPs

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1. Jinder - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

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For the record I didn't create the page, just made a redirect from it to his band - but have found a newspaper item about him and added this as a source for the article. PamD (talk) 12:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Dermatology

Any interest in dermatology? If so, we are always looking for more help at the dermatology task force, particularly with the ongoing Bolognia push. ;) ---kilbad (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

I knew I could count on you! ;) Drmies (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Private school (India and Sri Lanka) and Independent school (Australia)

You did not create a section to discuss your proposed merger. But before you do please look at the history of Public school (privately funded)/ I have created this stub to "wack a rat" of someone content forking the article independent school (UK) which you will see from the history of Ps(pf) was moved from the article Ps(pf) while that article was still called public school (UK). There is no reason why an article on private schools in India and Sri Lanka can not grow into substantial articles over time just as the UK article has. -- PBS (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Likewise you have not created a discussion section for Independent school (Australia) which was created to move the text out of the new dab page in line with WP:PRESERVE -- PBS (talk) 12:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Likewise you have not created a discussion section for Public school (Pakistan) please do so or it is not possible to discuss the proposed merge. You also need to explain in each case why you think the articles should be merged in the sections you create. --PBS (talk) 12:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

No, the last-mentioned discussion is at the default place - within the article to which the content is proposed to be merged. 19:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

And the documentation of {{mergeto}} does not say that it is mandatory to create the discussion section - I merely suggest that a merger in each case makes sense to me, and leave it to others to discuss. PamD (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Without a merge section and an explanation as to why you think that it should be done, there is no reason why the edits should not be reversed -- PBS (talk) 03:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

stub v. expand

I'll try to remember to do that in the future. --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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Charter fair

Hi Pam, thanks for sorting the stubs on the new Charter fair article. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Mull (geographical term)

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For the record, the bot found the matching text while I was in the middle of splitting out a chunk of content which didn't belong in the disambiguation page at Mull. PamD (talk) 17:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

OneTravel

Hi there! I've just declined the speedy on this article, as I felt that the second link provided did indicate some notability sufficient for A7. Please PROD or take to AfD if required. Thanks. GedUK  09:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Peter Keane (Galway City Councillor))

The tag was removed by another ed., so I nominated it for AfD. DGG ( talk ) 20:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Harriet Baldwin / Richard Burt

Explain to me how non partisan biographical detail on national legislature parliamentary candidates is not relevant two weeks before an election. Please don't refer to the Wikipedia guidelines. Neither you nor I would walk off a cliff if Wikipedia guidelines mandate it. Jimbo Wales describes Wikipedia as a "catalyst in the promotion of democracy", so how does OCD application of rule trump deleting timely non-partisan information? Leonig Mig (talk) 10:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Well one argument would be that it would set the precedent for there to be articles on ... let's say 625 x 3 non-notable candidates ... a couple of thousand articles to be deleted after they all become failed candidates. These people are not notable, as defined by WP, and I'm happy to go with that definition. If you don't like it, argue it elsewhere. PamD (talk) 14:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

And another argument is that it would give some candidates undue apparent weight in a constituency list of candidates if they are linked and therefore seen to be "notable" because someone has created articles about them in contravention of existing policy, while other candidates are unlinked because someone who thought about writing an article about them complied with the policy, or indeed their article was deleted at AfD (as in the example I cited). It's too near to polling date to start to treat candidates inconsistently. PamD (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I've put the counter argument to this point here Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#WP:NOTABLE_and_Democracy, where someone made the same wrongheaded (I believe) point. Leonig Mig (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - I'll watch with interest. PamD (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Leeds images

Hi Pam, noticed that you have reverted out the image changes to Leeds articles. Just to let you know I have my doubts as to the copyright status of some of these images, I have tagged one of the images the user uploaded as of dubious copyright status as it appears on another web site. Keith D (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting! I reverted them solely because the editor hadn't changed the very detailed alt text, so his edits left images with completely wrong alt text. Seems like a good thing I did so. PamD (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Welsh dresser

Please see Talk:Welsh dresser. I am not at all sure why you think they can not have legs. Most of the Welsh dressers I have seen have legs. -- PBS (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Morgan Evans

Thanks; I didn't quite know how that worked. See you around! TheSavageNorwegian 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you once and again. TheSavageNorwegian 12:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

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Confirmed user

i would like to become a confirmed user or administrator to put a picture on but i dont know how to do that can you help me out please leave youre reply on the discussion part of the J T Lambert Intermediate page thank you

Jhardyrules9 23:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Vulgarity

Regarding your edit to vulgarity, thanks for bringing the Vulgarism page to my attention with your edit summary; I would welcome your input on the MfD page for WP:Vulgarity, where I have proposed the merging of WP:Vulgarity, Vulgarity, and Vulgarism. I thought this might be of interest to you based on your recent edit summary on this page. Thanks. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 23:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Twisting pylon

You recently edited Twisting pylon. May you place a merge template with Transposing pylon, because I'm not familiar with en.WP template system. Thanks --Biezl (talk) 11:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Jay Losk

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For furthering my knowledge

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Jeffrey Street

Thanks for your help with Jeffrey Street in Kirribilli! It is much improved thanks to your edits. Hope it survives. AWHS (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Greetings!

Howdy! Long time no see. What brings you to the John Caligari page? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. As it said in the edit summary: stub-sorting! PamD (talk) 12:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. What's that quote? Something like: "The simplest explanation is usually the correct one"? Well, nice to cross paths again. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Eric Lange

I cannot find anything on this actor other than his imdb profile. This article should not be deleted; he is a real person. I am not good at finding sources, can you find someone to help? -- Confession0791 (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Stubbing

Sorry, my mistake I'm new at the stubbing and I should have checked WP:Layout before inserting it. I looked at the stub types article but couldn't quite find the one I was looking for. Might you suggest a good resource for finding and applying the correct stub in the future? Thanks, Vedant (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll refer to that in the future. Vedant (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

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Mother Mary Martin

Thanks for your help with Mother Mary Martin - sorry for getting the title wrong. I was just following Mother Teresa.... :) Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 10:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC))

PROD tag on econ article

The PROD tag does not say "Do not remove this notice from pages you have created yourself." It says "You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason." Duoduoduo (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right - I got confused at the point where there were both Speedy and PROD displays on the page and read the wording from the wrong one! PamD (talk) 22:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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ref format

Re [1] - I know, I know. I just started the article and it's a work in progress.radek (talk) 15:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

ATOMKI

Dear PamD,

Thanks for your corrections to my ATOMKI item on Wikipedia.

I just realized that it wasn't a good idea to place the list of scientific topics that my institute deals with. You are right that this was a copy of a webpage (actually one that I've created: http://www.atomki.hu/tudomany/science.html

Now there is a message on the page "Do not edit this page until an administrator or an OTRS agent has resolved this issue".

So, if you allow me to I'd remove this content, and write other material in another form. I don't know, but I assume that you have such a right as an admin or OTRS agent to resolve this issue.

Many thanks.

Best regards,

Irajta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irajta (talk • contribs) 11:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hello and thank you for sorting my stub. LovesMacs (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Ingles ferry

Hi. I've done a bit to help this article along, but until it's parent project places an assessment template on its talk page, I still think it's a stub.--Kudpung (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Stub sorting

Thanks, Pam for stub sorting Chris Tompkins. Sorting is one of my weakest abilities; one of the things I like about Wikipedia is that one meets a lot of nice people who help fill in the holes in the articles. (I hope that someone interested in redneck music takes an interest as well since I know nothing about the subject. I created the stub merely to fill in another hole in the seemingly endless list of Alabama musicians.) I noticed from your user page that you're from Leeds; we also have a Leeds, Alabama but it is merely a speck on the map compared to yours. Regards, and thanks again!Trilobitealive (talk) 16:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Delete sub-stub?

Lord Edgecombe. Kittybrewster ☎ 16:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

White Nights

I do see your point. One perspective would be that this is a kind of event that happens because of the wonderful lighted nights in northern latitudes. But is we define it that way, what do we do about large summer festivals in places like Tel Aviv, where darkness falls at more or less the same time every year, but where the local organizers of a local call their all night, summer arts festival "White Night" and describe themselves as inspired by and imitating the Saint Petersburg festival? Is the phenomenon defined by the physical causes of its origins, or by the perspective of the people who have adopted both the idea the name? I genuinely don't know.AMuseo (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Lats consolidate the discussion on Talk:White Night festivalsAMuseo (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Ed Balls

I don't see how this edit could constitute vandalism. I merely replaced an awkward profile image with a better one from the commons repository. Mtaylor848 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

My mistake to the edit. I think however referring to an innocent mistake as 'vandalism' is a little confrontational. Mtaylor848 (talk) 17:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, sorry about that, but it certainly looked like disguised vandalism, you must see! PamD (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Leeds Collage

Without intending to be confrontational, would it not have been prudent and more effect to add new alt text to the collage yourself to maintain (and probably increase) page viability rather than simply revert? Freedomflag (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't have the time available to create alt text of the high quality which has been used throughout the Leeds article, so it seemed better to revert to the image which had such alt text. PamD (talk) 22:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Fernet Branca page (redirect)

Hi Pam

I notice you promply undid my revision. Perhaps we should make this page a disambiguation page. What do you think? best regards TINYMARK 12:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I also notice you changed my new article about a brand-named product to a redirect.

While these terms do seem to be used interchangeably, I would submit that the Fernet page is decidedly American (North and South) in nature (see the references) and does not have much to do with the Italian (or European) origins of the beverage in question.

I think perhaps "Fernet Branca" should disambiguate to the "Fernet" article and the "FERNET BRANCA" tradename article ???? TINYMARK 13:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an expert in this area, but the previous discussions at Talk:Fernet had come down on the side of one article rather than two. (If the brand had a separate article, the title should be Fernet-Branca (as used on the company's website) or Fernet Branca (looks from Google to be the more common), and certainly not all in capitals.) Perhaps it would be most useful to add your extra information to the appropriate sections of the Fernet article, maybe creating a new section about the brand name and company etc, and curing the American bias there. I really can't see that there's a need for two separate articles. PamD (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll do that. I expect the Americans to go up in arms about it though! I used all caps because that is what is on the bottle nad the Italian/English and German websites don't seem to have a consistent form. Regards TINYMARK 03:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Page move

Good call --Dweller (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Question: Is there a good reason why Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PamD is a redlink? --Dweller (talk) 11:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! Yes, the reason is that I don't want to get involved in all the unpleasantness there seems too often to be, and I have enough off-Wiki stress! But also I only rarely come across something I want to do which I can't do without having a mop (the occasional move which is thwarted because of a page history to a redirect etc). I'll stick to WikiGnoming around, mostly sorting stubs and wandering off along the tangents they lead me to. Cheers. PamD (talk) 11:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, but don't fall into the misapprehension that getting a mop means you have to use it frequently. I've seen many RfAs run where the user is given the mop because they're trusted to use it wisely on the occasions they need it, with no expectation that they'll suddenly switch their areas of interest/expertise to vandal fighting etc. This is especially so with wikignomes, who are tremendously valued by experienced users. We need all flavours of Wikipedians: gnomes, content churners, FA developers, vandalbashers etc and if a mop would assist you from time to time and the community trusts you, it's daft for you not to have it. --Dweller (talk) 11:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Avlonari F.C.

An article isn't considered to be categorized just because it has a stub template on it, if it doesn't also have at least one real content category — stub categories are meant to be temporary maintenance categories that are eventually meant to be removed from an article once it's long enough to no longer be considered a stub, so they don't count as categories for the purpose of the {{Uncat}} template. Bearcat (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

A stub category has a parent category which is not a stub category, so the article is categorised in the parent category by being given the stub category. I consider that to be categorized. Is there chapter and verse for your different interpretation? PamD (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Standard practice of Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. Note, for example, on Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized, where it says "Articles with only stub categories still need to be included in non-stub categories." The whole point is that stub templates are temporary, and are supposed to be removed once the article has surpassed stub length, so a stub category will eventually disappear from the article. Accordingly, an article has to be added directly to at least one permanent content category to be considered as properly categorized. A stub category can exist alongside content categories — but because it's meant for maintenance purposes, not end-user browsing, it can't function as a substitute or replacement for content categories. Bearcat (talk) 20:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

OR: organizational resilience

Hi Pam: Thanks for your work on Wikipedia. I added "organizational resilience" to a listing for the acronym "OR", but I just checked and my edit was gone. I am a very minor Wikipedia player, so I didn't understand your comment "OR does not appear as abbreviation on target page." Could you please just write back to explain? I'll check back on this page. Thanks again for taking care of Wikipedia, it is a great resource that I use often. Matt

Hi Matt: A disambiguation page in Wikipedia is not a complete list of all the possible meanings of a word or abbreviation. If the abbreviation was important enough to be mentioned in the article on the topic, in this case Resilience (organizational), then it would be OK to have a link to it in the disambiguation page ("dab page" for short). In fact even the phrase "Organizational resilience" doesn't appear in the article, let alone the abbreviation "OR". I hope that helps explain my perhaps rather cryptic edit summary! (Oh, and do you know that you can, and should, sign a talk page comment by using ~~~~ or the "signature and timestamp" button on the editing bar?) Happy editing! PamD (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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Re:Heroscape

I'm about 90% certain the whole lot should be deleted, but The Matrix Prime (talk · contribs), who is responsible for them all springing up again in the last couple of days, has said he's working on them. I'm gonna give him a few days, and unless I see anything close to improvement, I'll be nominating the lot for deletion. J Milburn (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Romeland

Just to let you know that I have expanded this. During Henry VIII's reign the house was, as far as I'm aware, known as Romeland, later becoming Cheshunt Great House. However, any information I couldn't verify with a source I've removed. The British History site has more information and Google shows up several more potentially useful pages, but I really don't want to get back into editing so I've done some work - hopefully enough to be of more use to readers and with a good enough source - and left it at that. If you feel it still deserves deletion, leave a message at my Talk page and I'll probably do some more investigation. I can understand why you didn't leave a prod message on my Talk page, but if you wish to delete anything further, please leave a message there, I will probably continue to monitor it for a while as I feel uncmfortable having left articles still needing a lot of work, but don't feel I've been given much choice but to retire.

Thank you for taking the time to leave me advice on my Talk page but I'm afraid that I don't feel there's any way I can continue editing Wikipedia, I've become too upset and too disillusioned with the whole thing, but I wish you the best with continuing the great work you do on here. Kind regards, Boleyn (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete disambiguation page

Hi, I've noticed you've proposed to delete Digitalis purpurea (disambiguation) page. For me it's ok, no problem!! it's not needed :) Thanks for the help :) Isthar Dear (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

sawed-off Damocles coincidence

Hi Pam, A couple of weeks ago I was working on "acronyms" and came across your name. Looking at your user pages, I was astounded at the meticulous and prodigious work you have done. I put you on my watch list, and made up my mind to drop you a line, and congratulate you on what must be one of the most comprehensively maintained pages in Wikipedia. Today, I was about to do that but first had a look at some of my own earlier posting. I ended up on the Sword of Damocles, and to my surprise saw that you had made a note on my contribution there quite some time ago. This was serendipity!

I'm always interested in the finer points of the English language, and my favourite gripe (everyone has one) is the misuse of the phrase "beg the question" where "raise the question" is intended. I'm currently interested in compiling a list of English words which are near impossible to define, words like cute, chagrin and serendipity itself. These are terms which cannot be readily understood except by coming across them numerous times in real literary contexts. I notice that many words becoming obsolete, like ruth (but not ruthless) have meanings which cannot readily be imparted by the dictionary, whereas most contemporary neologisms (like high-five, or software) are simply names of easily identifiable procedures or objects. Have you any ideas on this? (Just noticed Word’s spellchecker does not know “ruth”, and questions my “imparted” suggesting the odious “impacted” which seems to be the modern turbo-charged alternative to “affected”). Myles325a (talk) 01:49, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

recycling

Hi PamD. Wanted to let you know I liked the bottom note on your talkpage ("If you leave a new message on this page, I will reply on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.") well enough that I've recycled it onto mine. While other editors have used the same or similar phrasing, I like the look of yours best. And, yes, I did notice you recycled it from another lass. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Glad you like it. The bottom of the page seems the best place to put it, to catch the eye of people adding new messages - and, as you noted, I borrowed it from BHG in the first place! PamD (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Dwarf

Thanks for the message about dwarf.

I made the move because since there are actual humans called dwarfs, I thought our article on dwarf should not make any assumptions on whether mythological or medical dwarfs/dwarves are intended. If you look up dwarf in an English dictionary, usually the "person" definition comes first. It seemed presumptuous to me that our article on dwarf made the first assumption that a dwarf is mythical, when millions of real dwarfs exist in real life on planet Earth.

I tried to move dwarf (disambiguation) to dwarf, but it said an admin needs to do it.

Do you think we should have a dialogue on one of the talk pages, since there was a move a year ago to make mythical dwarves the default?--Sonjaaa (talk) 10:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

List of individuals named Paeon in Greek mythology

Hi Pam. Recently, in cleaning up Paean (disambiguation), you created the page List of individuals named Paeon in Greek mythology, presumably as a place for some material which at that time didn't properly belong on Paean (disambiguation). I've since created some new articles, and now each of the entries in this list has its own article and is (again) listed at the Paean disambiguation page. So I'm wondering if the new list serves much of a function any more? Paul August ☎ 20:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I requested its speedy deletion as "G7" ("author requests deletion") and was still adding a message on the talk page (to explain that the only 2 authors wanted it deleted), when it was done. All gone. PamD (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Paul August ☎ 22:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Foz Allan

Hello, I'm Cl;nintendods. I saw that you were interested in the article Foz Allan, saw your contributions. We can improve it together, if you wish. I await your reply; Cordially, Cl;nintendods (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd never heard of him/her, and just did the routine tidying-up I do on many stub articles! You need to find some "reliable sources", ie not just imbd, which can supply and support information about the person, and give more of their biography, not just a straight list of titles. Also make links to and from articles like Vital Signs (TV series). Good luck in improving the article, but I won't be helping with it. PamD (talk) 06:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I could not improve the article alone. Sorry, Cordially. Cl;nintendods (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Regarding The Boy With A Leaking Boot in Houlton, ME

I saw the statue and took a large sharp photo of it that I can upload. Would that satisfy you as a reliable source? - i.e. certify that it exists in situ, the quality of the maintenance would be visible and one could count the number of drinking fountains.

This link contains a reference to the statue -

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114509348600786282780.000001120fd8bfcd08367&om=1&ll=46.12553,-67.835963&spn=0.007659,0.017338&z=16

I wondered why you did not add Citation Needed to the following sentence in the entry:

Further statues are reported to exist in the United States at Penrose, Colorado ("occasional public appearances") ...

Council Bluffs, Iowa (variously reported as in the Omni centre or in the basement of the General Dodge House) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teneriff (talk • contribs) 02:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

P.S. The town of Houlton's blinker at the top shows the statue too http://www.houlton-maine.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teneriff (talk • contribs) 02:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Please remember to sign contributions to talk pages. If you'd like to upload your photo to Wikimedia Commons I'm sure it would be a useful addition to the article. Thanks for the link to the city website. The map link isn't what WP would call a Reliable Source, but by searching around I've found a very detailed account of the statue and its history, and have linked to it. (You added a reference name but no reference, which didn't help much.) The points you mentioned above are all in a paragraph which is sourced by the two references at its end, which is acceptable WP practice for non-controversial material like this, rather than peppering the whole paragraph with references for each individual point. Thanks for your help with this article. PamD (talk) 08:25, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The Boy with the Leaking Boot

Hi, the GA review of the above article can be found at Talk:The Boy with the Leaking Boot/GA1. Nev1 (talk) 17:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy PamD's Day!

User:PamD has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as PamD's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear PamD! Peace, Rlevse 01:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

26 Aug for you. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

All Saints' Church, Harewood

Thanks for restoring the sentence to this article; I didn't include it because I do not have access to its source. Do you have a page number for it?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

No, as I'm not living at home at the moment. I had the leaflet in my hand when I added the information - possibly it didn't have page numbers, I don't remember. I may or may not still have it at home. But I don't think you should remove other editors' sourced information, even if you personally haven't got the source to hand and you find their reference slightly defective - certainly not in a case like this of non-controversial information. PamD (talk) 10:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not including the sentence. As you may have realised I virtually re-wrote the article and did not include it, rather than removed it. I apologise. I also assumed that you gained the info from a book rather than a leaflet. I hope you otherwise approve of the expansion.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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Advertising

Hi Pam! I regret that in the instance of the Ilkley article I have to disagree with you with regard to the advertising aspect. At one time the websites were non commercial. However they now have extensive advertsing on them, which is against WP:ELNO. For example on the 'ilkley.org' website see:- [2] and the 'visitilkley.com' website now redirects to:- 'www.visitbradford.com' with these pages:- http://www.visitbradford.com/accommodation/ Accomodation and Food & Drink. Richard Harvey (talk) 10:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The Bradford site is the council's official tourism site, so includes adverts among other useful information. The ilkely.org site appears to me to include enough useful information to outweigh the fact that it also lists local businesses. If every website which included a listing of commercial organisations was excluded as "web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising", a vast number of useful external links would be missing. I believe these two links are appropriate. PamD (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Aa42john

Aargh! I'm still grappling with York virtuosi and E Ridsdale Tate comes along. Maybe we should ask KeithD to give him/her a warning or a block? --GuillaumeTell 21:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

RE: Flood of new stubs

There is info for you HERE Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 02:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

RE: September 2010

Hi! what about the NPOV, notability and lack of sources issues on Giulio Mazzarini? what other procedure to follow to at least have it improved? Batman70xx (talk) 14:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There are other processes for suggesting deletion, such as the standard {{prod}}. But he does not come within the scope of the special {{blp prod}}. One good way to improve the article is to improve it yourself. PamD (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: stubs and "Uncategorised"

I left you a reply at WikiProject Stub sorting#stubs and "Uncategorised". Jason Quinn (talk) 17:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I also started a discussion about the wording of that template and your opinion would be good to have there. Jason Quinn (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Deletion

Maybe you can help me expand it, or we can take it somewhere else. It doesn't have to be deleted after all. Beserks (talk) 07:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Annie de Chabert

Thanks for protecting profile —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.171.75 (talk) 11:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Stub article

Hi Pam - regarding your message here I cannot see the stub you created, the main article for Eric Aldwinckle is still tagged as copyright. Is that an error or is the new stub in your userspace? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 15:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It's at Talk:Eric Aldwinckle/Temp as per the instructions in the copyvio template. PamD (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see it now. Thanks! I wanted to make sure it wasn't missed amongst the various templates and such. Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Another time I'll provide a link. I've started to glimpse at Wikipedia:Copyright_problems to see if there are interesting (and usually well-established) articles which need rescuing (ie to preserve the infrastructure of categories, perhaps infobox, and redirects pointing to the page), after being shocked to find Camila Batmanghelidjh as a red link after her article had been deleted as copyvio. I probably haven't yet re-created all the useful redirects from mis-spellings of her name, all of which a bot cleared away once her article was deleted. So I'm creating a small trickle of non-infringing stubs to rescue topics, mostly people, from total deletion! PamD (talk) 18:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like a noble cause. There have been a few lucky instances when I've searched the history and found some good material that could be used in lieu of the copyrighted works. Good luck! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 19:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Order of May

G'day PamD, you recently added the {{Award-stub}} to Order of May. Please note that the correct stub template for all orders, decorations and medals (as part of a national/provincial honours system) is {{Orders-medals-stub}}. I have fixed this instance, but it would be appreciated if you could use the correct template in future as they feed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards and prizes and Wikipedia:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals respectively. {{Award-stub}} is intended for awards other than those in national/provincial honours systems. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Reply to CP at World Vegetable Center

In regards to the temporary talk subpage you have created, it seems that Silverseren has removed most of the copyvioed content as well as the copyvio notice. It may still need revdeleting though. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, but I'll leave it to the admins who frequent CP to sort it out. I just drop by there from time to time to create stubs for articles which seem notable and where deletion risks losing a lot of infrastructure which needn't be deleted - after being shocked when a highly notable person became a red link. PamD (talk) 08:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

On the other hand, given that the template says "Do not edit this page until an administrator or an OTRS agent has resolved this issue.", I've reverted the edit. PamD (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Notability

Hi! I generally consider private high schools to be notable especially when they are private schools (no district article to merge them into). I'll leave the tag up anyway, though. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Phillip Morris (musician) for deletion

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Highland villages

HI, you have anything on Aberchalder? If every UK village was minimum like this things would be rather better wouldn't you say?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, Googling the village I found a B&B with a postcode: PH35 4HN. Stick that into "Theyworkforyou" and you get http://www.theyworkforyou.com/postcode/?pc=ph35+4hn&ch=t showing constituencies. Stick it into http://www.highland.gov.uk/yourcouncil/yourcouncillors/councillorscontactdetails/ and you get to see which ward it's in (Ward 12 - Caol and Mallaig). I've also added a See Also from the existing article about the station. Not going to get hooked on doing these villages! PamD (talk) 18:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Clever stuff, I swear you're BrownHairedGirl's twin sister, she's clever and into British politics too!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Harapan Rainforest

Hi, thank you for the information about the copyright stuff. Currently I am active in Wikipedia Indonesia and I am still learning to contributing in Wikipedia English. Hope from the lesson today, I can contribute much better next time. Regards, NaidNdeso (talk) 10:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Redirect

Thanks for that, I have pointed it to "Legal history" Rich Farmbrough, 22:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC).

Sfânta Treime (Strâmba) Monastery

In Romania are many monasterys with name "Sfânta Treime", so i put "Strâmba" in parenthesis.Ionutpa (talk) 10:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I need some help: I want to change my username ionutpa in ionutp, because I want to unify my counts on SUL. On ro.wikipedia my username is ionutp (http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:Ionutp) , I have the same e-mail address for ionutp and for ionutpa. I see that on the en.wikipedia ionutp was a spam. I will write on my count from ro.wikipedia that I’m ionutpa on en.wikipedia. Ionutpa (talk) 10:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I can't help on your username problem. On the monastery name, we don't add disambiguations in the middle of a name. If the monastery is actually called "Sfanta Treimbe Monastery", then that's the title of the article. If and when an article is written for another monastery of the same name, then they need to have "(Stramba)" etc added to disambiguate them, but added at the end: "Sfanta Treimbe Monastery (Stramba)". (Sorry, I'm ignoring accents for speed). I'll move this one now. PamD (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		For your recent contributions to rewriting articles listed at the copyright problems board, so that subjects are retained. Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You rock. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

And here, a month later, you're still rocking. I appreciate the time you've put into WP:CP. It's always a thrill to see people care, but so much better to see them contributing, whether rewriting or just noting where the problem entered the article. So, again, still, thanks. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

South West Trains

If, as you say, that comma disambiguations are for locations only, can you explain to me why the examples cited in your comments on my talk page are not read instead as "Southern Railway, Great Britain" and "Southern Railway, U.S."? Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I see you posed the same question on your talk page, so I'll reply there. PamD (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Keystrokes

If you add the two lines:

<code>
    var txt = document.editform.wpTextbox1;
    txt.value = txt.value.replace(/{{[ _]*[Ss]tub[ _]*}}/g, '{{-stub}}');
</code>

to your monobook.js (User:PamD/monobook.js) you will save those keystrokes and one more. It's simple code though, doesn't distinguish between main and other name-spaces. Rich Farmbrough, 18:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC).

DYK for Ardelve

Courcelles 18:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeffery S. Miller

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Jeffery S. Miller. The community has decided that all new biographies of living persons must contain a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article as per our verifiability policy. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I refer any talk page watchers to User talk:AuthorDMaria. PamD (talk) 08:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

New Messages

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List of Desert Island Discs episodes (1981–1990)

Sorry, I'd been correcting references elsewhere that were meant to be to the opera, and forgot to deactivate my regex. Thanks for fixing it. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, PamD. You have new messages at Reaper Eternal's talk page.
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Does that look better now :-) ? (BTW, thanks for letting me know how to use talkback templates. I honestly was not trying to assume bad faith in your warnings. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ngemba

Hello PamD. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ngemba, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Thank you. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

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Ethel or Ethyl

I really don't know for sure.. she apparently used both. It might not be her real name either, more digging needs to be done apparently IMDB doesn't list any of her silent movie credits either which apparently she had dozens. Williamb (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Mass provisioning

I've given one of the many sources; note the link I give on the talk page. Dyanega (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

db-move

{{db-move}} is for uncontroversial moves. The talk page states why the move would be controversial: WP:NPOV and WP:COI for starters. Guy (Help!) 13:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking something up

Hi Pam, I wonder if you would have access to this volume and see what it says on p.ii:
MacDonald, Ruth K. (1986). Beatrix Potter. Twayne Publishers. p. ii. ISBN 0-8057-6917-X.
No hassle if you don't/can't. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 08:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, no - ie can't check whether the article is a straight copy of the author blurb in the book! PamD (talk) 09:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI, it seems it was, and the question opened up a huge can of worms! Another very big copyio/plagiarism issue. I had just thought that with your being a librarian you might have had access to the hard copy.--Kudpung (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you missed the word "retired" - and the fact that I'm currently based in a village with a library which is open 10 hours/week and about the size of a domestic garage! PamD (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

How...?

hi pam d how do i do a good James Mahon page on Wiki without it getting deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsung800xp (talk • contribs) 21:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• First, you need to be sure that James Mahon satisfies Wikipedia's "notability" rules - see Wikipedia:Notability (people). If he doesn't, then no matter how well crafted an article is it is likely to be deleted.
• Then you need to have WP:Reliable sources you can give as references to support what you want to say in the article. (This is required for all articles, but especially for articles about living people).
• Beyond that, have a look at Wikipedia:Your first article. Take care about spelling and grammar, and write in whole sentences. Poor style won't get the article deleted as such, but it will upset other editors and need to be changed.
• You will need to create it as James Mahon (xyz), where "xyz" is a short, preferably one-word, disambiguator: "footballer" or "musician" or whatever, because there is already an article called James Mahon. Remember to use capitals for J and M.
• And remember to sign anything you add to talk pages (type ~~~~ or use the signature button on the edit bar.), and give it a "new section" heading.

Good luck. PamD (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Wendy Savage

Don't know. But I was utterly surprised to find there wasn't an article on her. I think Wikipedia is good at things in the present, and lousy for these sorts of figures from the 1980s and before. Bondegezou (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Intentional Dabs

I'd appreciate any comments you might have on User_talk:Jwy/Intentional_DAB_Links. Thanks! --John (User:Jwy/talk) 03:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Just the kind of feedback I was looking for. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 17:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Stub tag

I see that you removed the stub tag I put in Primavera (software). The talk page for that article already says "This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the project's quality scale." Do you disagree that the article is a stub, or did I tag it incorrectly? What would be the correct tag for this article, then? Thanks! Pfagerburg (talk) 00:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I removed the {{stub}} tag and must have got distracted before adding the appropriate sorted stub tag, which I've now done. In my partial defence, it would have been less likely to happen if the stub tag had been in the right place, as set out in WP:LAYOUT: it goes after everything except inter-wiki links. If it's in the right place, stub-sorting only needs a few characters to be typed; if it's in the wrong place, stub-sorting involves deleting, [... getting distracted in the middle ...] and typing the whole sorted stub stag in the right place! But it was just an oversight, sorry about that and thanks for picking up on it. PamD (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for putting the correct stub in the article, and for putting it in the correct place. I also appreciate the details in the explanation. Pfagerburg (talk) 07:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Nicolas Cordier

Thanks for your work on this. I've cited my sources as you asked. Just to make things difficult, the two sources I cite used "Nicholas" instead of "Nicolas". My recommendation is that we stick to Nicolas for now, but list the other as a variant. -- TimNelson (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. But in citing your refs, there's no point in using the form [http://www.margaretvisser.com/part5a.html http://www.margaretvisser.com/part5a.html], which just appears as http://www.margaretvisser.com/part5a.html. You might as well leave it as plain http://www.margaretvisser.com/part5a.html which has the same appearance. Please cite your sources properly so that other editors can see what the source is, even if the link breaks down at some point in future. Thanks. PamD (talk) 07:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

And a caption for the image would be helpful - it's obviously not a pic of NC himself, so you need to tell us what it is! PamD (talk) 08:05, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's better than it was. Feel free to re-criticise :). -- TimNelson (talk) 22:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Schools

Hi PamD. This is a generic message so please bear with me if you are already aware of the situation. In early September changes were made to an infobox template that affected the display of hundreds of school crests/logos in the UK schools infobox. This is now being taken care of and you may find the discussions on this page interesting: Template talk:Infobox UK school, do however leave a message here or here if you come across any that are still not displaying correctly.
If you are still actively interested in schools and would like to help out on school pages and school templates, you may wish to consider joining the WP:WPSCHOOLS project where you can also stay abreast of developments by adding its talk page to your watchlist. Happy editing!--Kudpung (talk) 02:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Educational projects

You may be interested in this initiative, too. Thanks for help with WP:SUP! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Littlebrook school

Thanks for your help. I will ad more to the article. Could you put in one of those boxes with the schools information. I can add the information if you could add the box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashbron (talk • contribs) 21:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply on stubbing (User:212.189.46.155)

Oops. Didn't see the {{LGBTQ-stub}}-Template at the bottom. Just thougt I'll do a little WikiGnome-work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Please also note, that those others edits (2008 - June 2010) weren't made by me. Being an IP user, this should be clear.
Cheers -- 212.189.46.155 (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC) PS: Please reply at User talk:212.189.46.155

Breakthrough Breast Cancer page

Hi Pam,

I just wanted to say a big thank you for taking the time to edit the Breakthrough Breast Cancer page over the past couple of years. If you have any thoughts about other improvements we could make, please do let me know!

Best wishes,

[personal ID removed] Digital Producer, Breakthrough Breast Cancer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Escha (talk • contribs) 15:33, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jeffery S. Miller

The article Jeffery S. Miller has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners or ask at Wikipedia:Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 21:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Idoc handling tool instruction

Hello Pam, just a reminder to notify page creators when you tag pages for speedy deletion, as you did with Idoc handling tool instruction (I went ahead and did it). I know I came by and deleted it rather fast and you may not have gotten to it, but I am dropping by here just to make sure. Nice to meet you, and happy editing, Airplaneman ✈ 08:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the note :). Airplaneman ✈ 08:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: D96

Hello, Yeah, I think so; but It was the bug of AWB; I reported it. Nima1024 (talk) 18:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

littlebrook school help

once again i need help with my article. In the princton page (about the town) I tried to link littlebrook to my article but because my article is called littlebrook school it did not work. Also on the princeton regional schools page I had the same problem.Could you please link both of them for me. Hashbron (talk) 17:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Money as Debt for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Money as Debt, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

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Arminka Helic

Hi. I have nominated the Arminka Helic article for deletion. Since you were one of the contributors to the article, I felt I should inform you. You can visit the AfD page here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arminka Helic. Thanks. Shashwat986 (talk) 07:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi PamD. I just want to leave you a note here to say thank you for all of your work in Wikipedia, and in particular your help with the Indiana Statehouse Public Art Collection. Kind regards, --RichardMcCoy (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding a bitey comment

Hi Pam. I found this comment to Nicole.m.m to be rather "bitey", as they say. It could be taken as an bad faith assumption when you essentially accuse someone of having disrespect (or simply lacking respect) for the encyclopedia when they're only trying to contribute. Perhaps you happened to be frustrated and your tone came off more harshly than you generally would use when talking to people. Perhaps you simply left the message assuming that the user was a careless editor who should know better.

You should keep in mind that Nicole is a newcomer to Wikipedia, and it's likely that she will benefit from solid advice rather than condescending messages essentially complaining about 'having to clean up their mess'.

If you look at Nicole's userpage, you will see that she has been adopted (she's in a mentorship program for new users). It's sometimes a good idea to contact a user's mentor with concerns about any aspect of their "adoptee", as they have dedicated their time to helping that user; her mentor happens to be myself. I communicate with Nicole via email and am in the process of helping her. In fact, I was just about to post some suggestions to her talk page when I read your comment. Their article is a work in progress and they're doing it with no previous experience on Wikipedia whatsoever. I hope you can find it in your heart to let some rookie mistakes (such as putting an unfinished, messy article in the mainspace) slide, and trust that they're working for the betterment of Wikipedia. We have all the time in the world. Regards, Swarm ^X 01:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I probably reacted a lot more civilly than many editors would have done. I didn't delete large chunks of the rubbish in the article, but commented stuff out so that she could continue to develop it. I left edit summaries as I went, and left fairly civil message on her talkpage. Yes, I probably was rather frustrated by the time I'd got it into a state fit to be seen in an encyclopedia, but I should have been more encouraging. Putting a mess like that into article space is treating the encyclopedia with disrespect. I suppose I was surprised that anyone would think that article was fit to be left in article space - and at that stage I hadn't even discovered that she'd developed it in user space and made a positive decision to move it to article space! I've left a mildly conciliatory message on her talk page.

Perhaps the article construction template needs to be carefully annotated to point out to users that articles constructed using it should not be moved into article space until they are ready - or it needs to have more sections commented out, so that by default empty sections don't appear. I'll leave a message at the project talk page, as a constructive response to this article. PamD (talk) 09:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, while I did think your message was somewhat biting, you could have left a much more uncivil message. While I'm here, let me just reply to your message on my talk page and say thank you very much for your analysis of the article. It's obviously helpful to the article's progress, but it also saves me time from having to make a list like that myself. There are multiple users helping to streamline the article, which is a good thing, and I'll post your comments to the article's talk page. The only thing I'm unclear on is the notability issue. I've never dealt with the notability of individual works of art; it seems that the topic should have a specific notability guideline but it doesn't. Swarm ^X 20:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

• I see you've found Untitled: Indians Reaper, Black Smith, Pioneer Family (Indiana Statehouse, exterior) now that, I'll tell you...it could use some work. Swarm ^X 20:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I did a couple of little edits yesterday then decided life was too short. But today I'm just amazed: the editor has spent about 2 hours editing it, but it still opens with a paragraph of rubbish, and still has rubbish "see also" and "external links" sections. Does she have any understanding that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just a testbed for her coursework? It's disappointing that someone who's got a mentor as well as her academic tutors is prepared to leave such a mess on public display. PamD (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I thank you both for your work on these articles. While I am the teacher for the class that is documenting the artworks at the Indiana Statehouse, I have purposefully tried to take a hands off approach to the student's writing of these articles. This morning I went through both articles in an effort to clean them up some. They both still have a ways to go. I appreciate your patience and collaborative nature. Best--RichardMcCoy (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to have anything but patience. While she technically should have better developed the article before moving it to the article space, the fact that it's actively being worked on makes up for it. Look, it's already coming along! Swarm ^X 22:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not prepared to be patient with rubbish (such as the opening paragraph) being left in articles in the public space of the encyclopedia. An article "under construction" may be very incomplete, may have some typos not yet checked etc, but it shouldn't look like those two. As I said, I was just amazed that she edited for 2 hours and still left the junk opening paragraph. PamD (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Final Questions to Swarm and PamD

Thank you for looking over and editing my article. I have looked over your edits and suggestions per my instructor and have made some editions and edits as well. My understanding was that this is a "work in progress" and didn't fully realize complications of my poor grammar and spacing would do the article. I am very "green" to Wikipedia. I was more concerned with gathering appropriate references outside of wiki links to substantiate my article. What I initially found was sparse and I was very concerned about that initially. I was working backwards, my apologies and not an appropriate approach to this project.

If you wouldn't mind, can you look at my other article, Untitled, Indians, Reaper, Blacksmith, and Pioneer Family? I worked on the consistency of my language. But I do not want that article to also sound like a museum catalogue entry.

• I want to clean up my reference list. How do I retrieve the expanded version of my reflist?

Nicole 8:10 PM EST 6 December 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 01:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC).

Breakthrough Breast Cancer

Thanks very much for the tips (and for being part of the Generations Study - a wonderful research project)! Escha (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)Escha

berryessa

what makes you say that?Thisbites (talk) 09:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The first word of the article in this version. PamD (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

whoops! when i created the articles for the new bart stations i sort of used a template from the first one i wrote (milpitas) and edited it for context and details and must have missed that, nice catch! i thought you were crazy for a second!!! =)99.33.92.209 (talk) 05:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Three Brooks Local Nature Reserve

Thanks for the message on my talk page. You are absolutely right. I somehow messed up the article you had improved. All I had intended to do was to restore some words from the paragraph about the tump, which I now see you had already replaced. I have no idea what wrong button I managed to press. I am sorry about that. I see that The Utahraptor has been copy-editing. I will go and see if there is anything else of your work that needs restoring. Grafen (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. We all hit the wrong button occasionally, as when I removed that half paragraph about "the Tump"! I wondered about trying to rescue all my edits, but had to go and do real life things like cook a meal for Mother, so I'll drop by some time to see what it's looking like now. There was a load of excess local info, but I think Utahraptor had a go at that. PamD (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Dickson Dam

Article is not under CSD:A10, it was the original. Page was created by new unexperienced user. I will expand and ref. Next time please tag for a project and notify, in this case WP:DAMS. Thanks! Ng.j (talk) 11:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Spark (fire) for deletion

The article Spark (fire) is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spark (fire) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Wikibreak with interruptions...

For any talk page stalkers wondering why I'm making the odd contribution while on a Wikibreak ... I've promised myself not to look at my watchlist or do my usual sit-down-with-muesli-whoops-it's-now-lunchtime wiki editing until I've finished a couple of real life jobs, but I'm still monitoring my talk page using the amazing changedetection, and from time to time looking at Category:Stubs and stub-sorting anything beginning with "P". (If 25 other people would take on the other letters, there wouldn't be a backlog at that page.)

Seasons Greetings to anyone who reads this!

PamD (talk) 08:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of the Redirect PC donations

I'm really not understanding why anyone would revert a redirect back to a stub article that they then propose deleting. It would seem that converting the article to a redirect was an appropriate fix for now, so I'm going back to that setup. Can you explain to me the policy on deleting redirects when the target articles are still present? Simesa (talk) 11:28, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Check the edit history - I think it's User:RHaworth you need to talk to. PamD (talk) 09:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Henry Wood

Hi, Pam. Would you care to have a look at the dab page Henry Wood and at Talk:Henry_J._Wood#Article_title and, if you are so inclined, add a comment or two there. Happy New Year! --GuillaumeTell 22:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful comments, tidying the dab page and putting in the Requested Move. But on the latter, the rubric says "If there has been any past debate about the best title for the page, or if anyone could reasonably disagree with the move, then treat it as controversial." I see that you put it in the controversial list, but there hasn't been any past debate about the best title, and why should anyone disagree with the move? I'd have put it under the Current Requests heading under Uncontroversial requests and it would have been dealt with quickly. But furthermore, hasn't the page title always been "Henry Wood", so wouldn't the best course have been to skip the Requested Move page and just move it manually over the redirect to Henry Wood (disambiguation) rather than hanging around waiting for the bureaucracy to do something about it? Or have I missed something obvious there? --GuillaumeTell 18:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think a straight "move" would have worked because the redirect from Henry Wood (disambiguation) has been edited (adding a redirect template) which I'm pretty sure prevents us from simply moving the page to that title - so nearly sure that I didn't bother trying. I think I'd forgotten about the "uncontroversial" option within the RM system, to be honest! PamD (talk) 09:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Greatly obliged for your help on this. It's terra incognita for me: ought I to be adding support at Talk:Henry_Wood#Requested move? Tim riley (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks re 'Ligia Montoya'

PamD: I appreciate yr fixing up my refs & exernal links secs for this new stub. As I sometimes go for long pds without contributing, I sometimes forget protocols. I was aware I'd left those refs in an untidy state. Btw, for when you get back: Do you know how to link a Spanish Wiki article to this encycl.? Spanish Wiki has a fulsome entry on the 'Caras y Caretas' journal cited in the text--which also pertains to the Unamuno article. Gracias, Alethe (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Henry Wood

As I'm not an admin I can't actually make the move so have G6'd Henry Wood (disambiguation) so the moves can actually be made - as I said in the edit log. I've redacted the second part of my close based on your linked discussion. It would have been good if someone could have actually mentioned that at the requested move. Dpmuk (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I noticed that a bit too late and have reverted my comment (perhaps should have struck through instead). There are two separate questions: it's been agreed that the conductor is the primary usage of "Henry Wood", hence the RM. It hasn't been agreed, between the music buffs, which is the appropriate name for the article! See Talk:Henry_J._Wood#Article_title. I just got brought in to the discussion as a disambiguation enthusiast: I thought I'd made it clear in the RM that it was only concerned with the first question, and left the second one open. Thanks for the closing and instigating the move. PamD (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that was the only move listed but from the comments in the requested move it seemed there was a consensus for the other move as well and as it seemed like it would be uncontroversial it seemed to make sense. My bad for not checking enough - I'd looked at this a little while back and decided it wasn't obvious enough for a non-admin closure (that was before the last !vote) and my memory was that both moves made sense so I didn't check as thoroughly as I should have done this time. My memory was obviously mistaken as as soon as you pointed me at the other discussion I remembered seeing it before. Thanks for pointing it out. Dpmuk (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your efforts on this. There turned out to be a lot of heavy lifting, and I'm most grateful to you for taking it on. [Posted by User:Tim riley] 18:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Lancia 3 RO

Pam,

I'm new to this and prone to make mistakes. However to answer you question regarding the Lancia 3 RO, it came from the German side of Wikipedia. I've tried to translate it as best possible, but I do not have the know how to execute the hypertext links and other flashy features of Wikipedia.

Thanks,

Seansasser (talk) 04:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The small barnstar, for gnomish work

		The Original Barnstar
		This barnstar is for quickly disambiguating Bolton Hall and stub-sorting Bolton Hall (activist). GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello, PamD: There is also a Bolton Hall within the Bolton Castle article and several other Bolton Halls lurking about Wikipedia. What should be done with them? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the barnstar! As there aren't WP articles on any of the other BHs we can leave it for now. But I've nearly got tempted into doing an article about Bolton Hall, North Yorkshire (or should that be a bracketed disambiguation, as it's a building rather than a placename?), having found it here its folly tower here, and various geograph (ie uploadable to Commons) photos here. But I need to get Christmas cards written so I'm not going to be tempted. Not right now, anyway. PamD (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

• But I got back to it and created Bolton Hall, North Yorkshire today. PamD (talk) 20:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Pam - I've signed up to be a Wikipedia Online Ambassador. They're short of volunteers, so I thought of you. If you follow the above link, you'll see what it's about - basically mentoring American students new to Wikipedia. Just how-to-do-it things rather than engaging with Public Policy (thank goodness!). Feel free to forward this to anyone else that you think might be a candidate (librarians spring to mind) whether or not you can fit in the time yourself. --GuillaumeTell 18:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

GT: I knew about the Ambassadors scheme, but thanks for thinking of me. I don't think I'll volunteer: if US graduate students can produce something like this, and later leave it looking like this after a session of two hours editing, I'm not sure I've got the patience! That particular editor certainly didn't get the Wikipedia bug: she hasn't edited anything since the coursework was finished. It would be interesting to know how many such students turn into regular editors - but I suppose the average student is busy enough with coursework. paid work and student life, hasn't got the spare time and energy of retired layabouts like us. Good luck with it. PamD (talk) 19:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Florida breweries for deletion

The article List of Florida breweries is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Corvus cornix_talk 18:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of HIV/AIDS in South America and HIV/AIDS in North America

Thank you for your note. I created the articles and put the "stub" notations on them to note they really needed to be expanded, to make similar summaries as HIV/AIDS in Asia, HIV/AIDS in Europe, and HIV/AIDS in Africa. I am planning on expanding them but I hope others will help too. So I'm going to go ahead and remove the deletion tags as you wrote, and put this note in the talk pages. Cardnl12 (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks also for your comments about how outdated the data on List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate was. I've been checking it while it looks like the data so far was copied over reliably, a lot of it was out of date. I am updating it with more recent data and adding references to make it reliable. Cardnl12 (talk) 22:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Sate Padang

An article that you have been involved in editing, Sate Padang, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Ooops

Well, at least I got the article name right. Thanks! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Keene

Sorry about that mess- I was just trying to clean up a red link from commons ! --ClemRutter (talk) 11:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Declined BLPPROD: Eriberto V. Loreto

I've had to decline this BLPPROD on procedural grounds, that tag is only usable on articles created on or after March 18, 2010, and this article was created in 2007. It might be eligible for PROD or AfD, though. Sorry for the extra lap around the track. --j⚛e decker^{talk to me} 15:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I can't have checked the history - it was just a {{stub}} I was sorting. PamD (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

No worries, have a great day! --j⚛e decker^{talk to me} 16:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Metro

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll use them immediately or during the next month. I'll continue to use the title "xxx MM" until the creation of all the pages to maintain a correct use of the templates, however, a change will be possible after the end of the work. Bye!--Civitatem (talk) 15:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

3 architects with same name ...

I'm working on an architect called John Johnson (1732-1814), currently redlinked as John Johnson (architect). However, there are two lesser-known but notable C19 architects with the same name, John Johnson (1807-1878) and John Johnson (c1845-1920) and I want to write them up, too, as it's easy to confuse the latter two (and the first, in the case of careless editors). They all worked and, probably, lived In London. WP advice on disambiguation isn't very helpful for this case and I can't find another 3 who had the same name and occupation and lived in the same century. There's no doubt that the earliest is the most notable (Shire Hall, Chelmsford, County Hall, Lewes, and various country houses and buildings in London), but I'd like to include "architect" in the titles of the other articles. Any precedents that you can find? Can you suggest anything better than John Johnson, architect, d. 1878 (or ... 1807-1878) and John Johnson, architect, d. 1920 (or ...c.1845-1920)? --GuillaumeTell 17:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I think "born" is used much more than "died", even for dead subjects - search on "smith born" and "smith died" to see. (I wonder what proportion of all WP biogs are footballers? Looks pretty high!) So I'd call the 2nd and 3rd John Johnson (architect born 1807) and John Johnson (architect born 1845) (unless the "c." is too much of a problem?). Not sure whether the first needs to be John Johnson (architect born 1732) - I suppose not, as he's the primary topic for "John Johnson (architect)", though it would guarantee that all incoming links to him were actually intended for him. No, on thinking about it, readers would be much better served if you leave him at John Johnson (architect), and have a hatnote there pointing to the other two.

How's the Ambassadorship going? PamD (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that sounds OK. The three are all on this page, and since the last of them was a member of the Architectural Association School of Architecture (AA) from 1863, c1845 should be OK. (The RIBA has a Directory of British Architects 1834-1914 but the google books preview only has brief details and no birthdate.) As for the Ambassadorship, I have one mentee (strange word) but nothing has happened yet. --GuillaumeTell 19:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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RfC

There is a request for outside comment at Talk:Spark_(fire) which I felt you should be alerted of.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Palo Alto Baylands Nature Preserve

You found pretty much exactly the stub tag I'd been searching for. I must be getting rusty. Couldn't find the right list of stub tags to save my life with that edit.

Thanks! Bagheera (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Hey, I saw your edits recently on my watchlist and clicked over to your user page and was impressed. Have you considering applying to become a Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors? It is a great way to help college students become more familiar with Wikipedia, and make them good long term contributers! Sadads (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about mistakes

Hi, sorry about mistakes linking to disambiguation pages etc. I see you specialise in that sort of thing, while I like to be creative in bringing stuff together when writing a new page (just done three after a long break). Though I have quite a bit of experience it can be a bit of a battle getting a new page going these days - the bots are onto you and trying to speedydelete before you've got started - 'orphaned' 'no cites', even 'plaguarising' if I copy text from the web for a start ready to tidy it up - give me a chance here! So I race to get a framework in place quickly, and my mind gets involved in the facts. I wikify what I have written and then later work on failed wikilinks - to establish the page's survival. Often associations come up that surprise me, and I want to get them in place before I forget. If I were too careful I might not do my thing so well, so many thanks for your work, but remember the Wiki command 'be bold' also exists, and it is ok to let others improve:-) Lindosland (talk) 00:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Prod

Prod should clearly not be used to delete an article on a United States Supreme Court case. If it's a stub, build it up, don't prod it. All the information you need is right there in the infobox. And it's equally inexplicable to prod an article that you just recently asked me to expand. Not sure what it is you're attempting to do, but please don't. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 11:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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