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AP Trophy

Hello, I noticed your recent edits on AP Trophy where you list the various trophies awarded over the years. However, it stops in 1965. Do you know the name of the trophy from 1966–present? Oluwasegu (talk) 20:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oluwasegu I've so far been unable to find any citations that show the "win 3 times to retire the trophy permanently" tradition carried on in 1966+. I would assume that in 1966 they started awarding individual (non-traveling) AP trophies, but haven't found a citation for that either.

By my calculations the next "3 time" winners would have been: Notre Dame 1977, Miami 1989, Florida 2008, Alabama 2012, Alabama 2020.

For the individual trophy years I'd like to track the design of the trophy; the wooden 1990s one in the infobox picture was replaced by a silver or gold one at some point, etc. Not sure what the early ones look like. Pictures of the early traveling Dickinson and AP trophies would great for Wikipedia too.

At some point the AP Trophy was possibly renamed the "Bryant" trophy but I'm not sure if that's the current name of the AP Trophy.

The award was known as the AP Trophy from 1957-83, when it was renamed the Paul Bear Bryant Trophy.

Any help on AP Trophy is much appreciated. I also want to create a page (or section at Coaches' Trophy) for the early UP / UPI trophies, which existed much earlier than the crystal football but have almost no coverage on wikipedia or the internet.

PK-WIKI (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PK-WIKI: I'm inclined to have it read AP Trophy (1957–present). I found on this site, 2 images of Nebraska's AP trophies from 1970-71, this image of Bryant receiving the AP trophy in 1978, and this image of Colorado's AP trophy from 1990 (which matches the infobox pic from Michigan 1997). The source you provided states that it was called the AP Trophy from 1957-83 (I can't find any other sources referring to the trophy as the Bryant Award). Oluwasegu (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oluwasegu:

I don't think the 1970 and 1971 Nebraska awards shown here are the actual AP Trophies... I think those are separate plaques that are given alongside the award. The 1971 award even shows the trophy as an engraving on the plaque. The design of that engraved trophy image closely matches the design of the 1957–1965 trophy permanently won by Alabama. Many traveling trophies give permanent smaller awards or plaques to each year's winner.
The fact that the Nebraska trophy case only contains the plaques and not an actual trophy supports the idea that a new traveling trophy was put into play for 1966 following the retirement of the original AP Trophy. The next 3 time winner of that AP Trophy would have been Notre Dame in 1977... and their trophy case contains a trophy that's identical to the 1957–1965 trophy. I think we can safely assume there was a 1966–1977 traveling AP Trophy permanently retired by Notre Dame. Confirmed here in this 1979 article.
The Alabama "1" trophy for 1978 seems to be some kind of stunt put on by Good Morning America... they awarded identical "1" trophies to both Alabama and USC. Don't know what that year's AP trophy looks like, but that is definitely not the USC 1978 UPI Coaches Trophy.
The first "AP Trophy" (1957–1965) was apparently re-named as the "Paul W. Bryant Trophy" upon the Tide retiring it with 3 wins. (I believe I'm reading that correctly, and it's the just-retired trophy that was named for Alabama. Not the next trophy...?)
It was heavily reported that Miami 1983 won the first AP Trophy to be renamed the Paul "Bear" Bryant Trophy, after the coach's death in early 1983.

I'll post some of this to AP Trophy and Talk:AP Trophy as well. PK-WIKI (talk) 05:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Historic occurrences: CFB

For the recently added Historic occurrences table under College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS, what exactly are you counting as a de facto matchup? Only matchups that feature No. 1 vs. No. 2? Had No. 1 Texas def. No. 5 Notre Dame in the 1977 Cotton Bowl, the Longhorns would've been named national champions by default. But since Notre Dame was voted consensus champion by both major polls should this be included? You can also make an argument that the 1971 Game of the Century b/n No. 1 Nebraska vs. No. 2 Oklahoma was for the Coaches title (which voted before bowls) and the subsequent Orange Bowl b/n No. 1 Nebraska and No. 2 Alabama was for the AP title (voted after the bowls). I'm just looking for clarification before others (including myself) contribute to the table/section. Oluwasegu (talk) 17:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oluwasegu: I see the list as having two inclusion requirements:

Described as such by WP:R sources. Needs language such as "national championship game", "will play for the title", "national championship will be decided", "the winner will claim the title", etc.
Both teams having legitimate/assured shots at the title if they win, and knowing that as they are playing.

End-of-season No. 1 vs. No. 2 would always(?) qualify, but is definitely not a requirement.

The 1966 Orange Bowl (No. 3 vs. No. 4) definitely qualifies, as No. 1 and No. 2 had already lost earlier in the day. The teams also knew there would be a post-bowl AP Poll, although that isn't a full requirement (due to other selectors and/or claims).

I don't know the full particulars of the 1978 Cotton Bowl Classic, but a brief glance seems to indicate that would not qualify as a NCG because No. 3 Alabama had a claim and there was no real reason for No. 5 Notre Dame to believe they would jump to No. 1 with a win. But the timing of the games and contemporary sources need to be examined.

That 1971 Nebraska team playing in two(!) NCGs is a great example and yes, seems like both should be included. I'm sure there will be a certain amount of "weirdness" in this list, but that's what makes college football special.

Thanks for your help in adding to this list. A collection of these historic NCGs is important for the article, as these are the games that administrators of the Coalition/Alliance/BCS used as precedent for setting up their own guaranteed national championship games.

PK-WIKI (talk) 18:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PK-WIKI: RE: 1975 Rose Bowl: reliance on the result of the 1975 Orange Bowl ---> In that case, the 1966 Orange Bowl needs to be removed b/c it relied on both the 1966 Rose Bowl and 1966 Cotton Bowl Classic for it to be a NCG. The Orange Bowl in those days was always scheduled in the evening, and so the two participants in Miami knew whether they had a shot based on the bowl results earlier in the day. Suppose the 1975 Rose Bowl and 1975 Orange Bowl swapped kickoff times (Orange in afternoon; Rose in evening)? Would that qualify as a NCG then? Unless a bowl matchup featured #1 vs #2, every team ranked in the Top 5 knew they had a shot at the NC (heading into NYD) if they won their bowl game, plus reliance on other results. If a match-up has (1) NCG implications in the pre-game w/ sources, and (2) BOTH teams had legit shots at a NC as you indicated then it should be included. The fact of the matter is that the winner of the 1975 Rose Bowl (OSU or USC) would've won the Coaches/UPI NC Trophy.

As far as the 1977 Sugar Bowl, history tells me that UGA "had a shot" since No. 2 Michigan lost their bowl game. The AP voters vaulted No. 5 Notre Dame in 1977 and No. 5 Miami (FL) in 1983 to the top spot, with No. 2 losing (Oklahoma, Texas) and No. 3 winning (Alabama, Auburn) on NYD respectively. As far as 1976, UGA might gotten at least a "share" by either the AP/Coaches Polls and vaulted to No. 1, with No. 2 Michigan losing and No. 3 USC winning just like 1977 and 1983. So clearly the AP wouldn't mind voting for UGA if they pulled off the upset against Pitt. Oluwasegu (talk) 19:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. Reliable sources

Every inclusion needs WP:R sources calling the game a "national championship game" or using substantially equal language.

"National championship implications" isn't enough. That describes a good Bowl Game, not a National Championship Game.

I think overall these are going to be No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchups, or close equivalents with a good explanation of why it's a NCG.

It's definitely not accurate to ipso facto call any bowl game won by the eventual national champion a "national championship game".

2. Timing

The 1966 Orange Bowl No. 3 vs. No 4 is included because it's described as a NCG in reliable sources. The timing of the No. 1 and No. 2 losses was essential... it's what made sportswriters call the game a NCG. The two teams knew they were playing for the national championship due to the losses earlier in the day. At that point it's essentially the same as a No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup.

Yes, the Orange Bowl being played in the evening is "unfair". The Orange Bowl might produce more NCGs as a result. But that's the way it was, and the timing of the games is essential.

I don't think you will find sources calling the 1975 Rose Bowl a NCG because while that game was being played, Coaches No. 1 Alabama was still unbeaten.

3. Reliance on selectors

A national championship game is one where the national championship is determined/claimed on the field. That's what makes NCGs so unique/desirable in college football, vs. the normal situation of waiting for a selector to award the title. That's why the sport has been attempting to always have a national championship game since 1992.

In a No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup, the "final poll" is a formality. The selector set up the game as No. 1 vs. No. 2, so the winner will be that selector's national champion. It's determined and claimed on the field. (Other selectors are of course free to select a different national champion.)

The 1977 Sugar Bowl can't be a NCG because it relies on No. 5 Georgia jumping the winner of the No. 2 vs. No. 3 1977 Rose Bowl. I'm not saying that can't happen. A win vs. No. 1 is big and they might have jumped from No. 5 to No. 1. It's happened in the past. But it relies on the AP voters and is announced days later. It could go either way.

Both teams in a NCG "control their own destiny". When you win a NCG you know you're the champion. That's what defines a NCG @ Oluwasegu. It's stronger than "have a shot", despite me writing that above :)

PK-WIKI (talk) 07:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PK-WIKI: Should the 1963 Rose Bowl and 1964 Cotton Bowl Classic be included? Yes I know the AP did not consider bowl results, but it is very likely that winner would've received the FWAA Grantland Rice national championship trophy (which voted AFTER the bowls). OR is this table only considering NCG based on the AP/Coaches?? Oluwasegu (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oluwasegu I would say those most probably are. All selectors should be considered, and even no-selector "self-claims" should probably considered if the NCG is what gives them the reason for the claim.

But as with all of these, the real test is finding mentions of them being NCGs in reliable sources. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This Los Angeles Times article reads: "The national championship was at stake - USC was ranked No. 1 and Wisconsin No. 2..." and this Washingtonian article reads: "the Middies (Navy) in that year's Army game–an invitation to the Cotton Bowl and a chance to play Texas for the national championship." Oluwasegu (talk) 19:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Newtothisedit Thank you! I responded on the article talk page. PK-WIKI (talk) 06:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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1963 Roosevelt State Football Championship?

I noticed you added a state championship for Roosevelt in the Metro League page. I believe the championship you are thinking of is the Tukey Bowl, not the state championship. On 11/28/1963 Roosevelt beat Chief Sealth 33-0. Chilcokr (talk) 06:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... I read that as a list of Metro League Football Champions, not a list of State Champions from the Metro League.

Source added. @Chilcokr feel free to delete if Roosevelt did not qualify.

I would like to create a page for the Turkey Day Game (Seattle), which is what brought me to that page in the first place. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Seattle Times published a list of the Metro League state championships in the March 25, 1998 edition with the article titled "METRO LEAGUE STATE CHAMPIONS". It was a useful resource for this Wikipedia page. I like your idea of making a page for the Turkey Day Game. That used to be a really big event in Seattle. Chilcokr (talk) 16:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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NCAA transfer portal

Moved this back. Happy to discuss, but the major media outlets refer to it as descriptive rather than proper noun. Examples:

The New York Times uses lower case here
Boston globe here.
Washington Post here.
ESPN here
Los Angeles Times here
Chicago Tribune here

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I opened a move request at Talk:NCAA transfer portal, let's discuss there. PK-WIKI (talk) 06:10, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oregon Saint Mary's The Governors' Perpetual Trophy

Just curious and probably dumb and naive to you, but why is this even listed in the NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision? Please enlighten me. Demrep (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both teams played in the highest level of college football until the Gaels team was disbanded in 1951. The table for "top level competition" is currently labeled "NCAA Division I FBS" but also represents previous top-level play.

Saint Mary's brought back lower-level football in the 70s/80s but (as far as I'm aware) never played Oregon during that time. If the teams did ever meet during that time, I'd support moving the rivalry into the Rivalries involving FBS and FCS teams table instead. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. At the minimum, I learned St Mary's, like Gonzaga, used to field a top-level football team until circumstances dictated otherwise. Appreciate the response and continue the good work you do here on Wikipedia. Demrep (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And they won the 1939 Cotton Bowl! Yes, very interesting. Gonzaga is another old football team that could use more coverage on wikipedia. I have no ties to Saint Mary's but I'll probably end up writing their rivalry article with Santa Clara too if no one beats me to it. PK-WIKI (talk) 07:39, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, PK-WIKI,

This article was going to be tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion after it was just moved to main space without any improvements being made to the article. I moved it back to Draft space to prevent its deletion. I thought you were going to work on improving the article before submitting it! I won't be around to "save" this article next time so please do not move it to main space if it is identical to the article that was just deleted at AFD. I'm disappointed that you just submitted it to AFC after I bothered to restore it for you without making any changes to the article. I think I'm done with this one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Oh... I didn't realize you were were expecting me to make improvements to the article before submitting to AFC. IMO the article already clearly meets WP:GNG with its current citations (and was wrongly deleted via AFD). So I just submitted it to AFC after the draft was restored. I was expecting it to take several weeks, not a one-day turnaround.

Note that I didn't move it to mainspace myself.

I thought the proper process was to submit to AFC. @The AFC reviewer who approved it seems to agree that the article's current citations meet GNG... I thought that would "undo" the AFD mark against it. Does the AFC reviewer's approval mean nothing in this situation? Not sure how this works.

I will work on the article some more, but like I said the article already has 8 citations meeting GNG. PK-WIKI (talk) 02:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm sorry for the confusion. I accepted your draft and do believe it meets the GNG. The concern being brought forth is that it is identical content to something that was deleted by AFD. There are many reasons that an article can get deleted and the GNG is not always the trump card when considered deletion and we do need to respect that. I reviewed your edit history when I reviewed the article. I made my decision based on that and my review of the article. If you can rewrite or rephrase it I'd be happy to support you however I can. Sorry for the confusion. Unbroken Chain (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of Paul Skallas for deletion

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Your GA nomination of Governors' Trophy Game

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Hello, thanks for reviewing. You said:

"The page is very short to the point where its completeness comes into question (WP:GACR 3a). It is a nice page, but it's also unclear what more could be said."

But WP:GACR 3a states:

"it addresses the main aspects of the topic" and "The "broad in its coverage" criterion is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles. It allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics"

So I don't really think short articles should be quickfailed, especially when "it's also unclear what more could be said." Would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

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No need for this; 3RR respected and informative edit messages written by both sides.

I guess I reverted what I would call obvious vandalism for a 4th revert, which I see you also reverted.

Would appreciate your take on the Lushootseed in infobox and lead.

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Chiefs-Bills rivial page, do you agree a page should be made?

Sorry if you are the wrong person to talk to this about, but i found you on the Seahawks-Broncos rivalry talk page

I think a Chiefs-Bills rivialy page should be made. Even before Mahomes-Allen, the two teams had history with each other in the 90s and obviously now it adds more fuel and reason to add to the history. I think a page should be a made, do you agree MichaelFansz (talk) 15:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know too much about that rivalry or if it exists. The story below might be useful:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-buffalo-news-buffalo-fans-in-kansas/131255820/

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Catherine, Princess of Wales

You do realise you are now at 5RR since 03:45 (UTC) today.[1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Each of those is a revert for WP:3RR. You might want to self-rv. DeCausa (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on the Talk page, these are reverts of a contentious BLP item "poorly sourced according to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy" and falls under Wikipedia:3RRBLP. PK-WIKI (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that only applies to content that is "libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced" which doesn't apply to your edit. I've just noticed that an admin has said the same thing to you on the article talk page, which I didn't see previously. You would definitely be blocked if you were taken to AN3. DeCausa (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content IS poorly sourced: it's stating in WP:WIKIVOICE what the reliable third party sources attribute only to a press release by the subject of the article.

Per WP:BLP, Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.

I have no problem with the content of the press release being added to the article, but it must be attributed to the WP:ABOUTSELF self-published source and not stated in wikivoice.

PK-WIKI (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm telling you that won't wash at AN3. The rule is about protecting the subject. You're making the text, from the subject's perspective, more not less controversial. But I've got no dog in this fight - not my concern. I thought you'd done it inadvertantly. Your funeral, as they say. DeCausa (talk) 21:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there, just an observation. This page still has many incoming links, which need to be updated. If you convert a page to a disambiguation page, then you need to also cleanup all the incoming links. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good point. Do you know if there's a good way to do that automatically, or request it to be done? Thanks for the notification. PK-WIKI (talk) 09:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might look at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links. There was a tool called DabSolver but it doesn't seem to be working now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oregon State–Washington State football rivalry

Hi, thanks for adding that reference to the Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/American football list for Oregon State–Washington State a few weeks ago. It appears as though you have some experience creating rivalry articles and editing college football pages in general. I was just wondering if you would be able and willing to go ahead and create the Oregon State–Washington State football rivalry page at your earliest convenience? And maybe a few of the other requested rivalries on that page? Thanks for your edits and other contributions to college football coverage on Wikipedia. 2603:6010:61F0:91B0:2CA2:7A6A:372B:F853 (talk) 00:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the WSU-OSU citations aren't quite there yet for a rivalry article that passes WP:GNG. I think it is likely to develop soon though, perhaps this year, due to the "Pac-2" conference. I'll keep an eye on sources as they are written this season. PK-WIKI (talk) 01:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about some of the other requested rivalry articles on that page? 2603:6010:61F0:91B0:2CA2:7A6A:372B:F853 (talk) 01:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Out of the ones on that list, California–Washington football rivalry is the only one I have any knowledge about. That one potentially has citations establishing notability in the early 20th century, circa the time Bow Down to Washington was written with lyrics referencing Cal. Has been on my list to research/write. I'm also planning to re-create Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry (aka Governor's Victory Bell) with better citations, which was recently deleted but has a notable traveling trophy. PK-WIKI (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, also I'm curious about Oregon–Washington State football rivalry and Oregon State–Washington football rivalry, two more stemming from the Northwest Championship page you created. Any momentum there for created articles? And do you know how soon you might be able to start creating? 2603:6010:61F0:91B0:2CA2:7A6A:372B:F853 (talk) 01:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe either of those have the needed citations for rivalry articles. I have no immediate plans for any of these; what's the rush? PK-WIKI (talk) 01:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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