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Your submission at Articles for creation: Molly Brown (American actress) (May 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jovanmilic97 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

After a huge reference cleanup, first source is decent but everything else is a mere passing mention. Also fails WP:NACTOR at the same time, I don't see any significant roles.

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Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Concern regarding Draft:Molly Brown (American actress)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 16:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Molly Brown (American actress)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 15:34, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March 2024

Hello, I'm TechnoSquirrel69. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Caitlin Clark, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Molly Brown (American actress) (July 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

not clear how they pass WP:NACTOR?

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Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Molly landed a starring role in a Showtime Dexter spinoff. She presented as a panelist at Comic-Con alongside Michael C. Hall, Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Christian Slater. The show also stars Patrick Dempsey. Dexter is the most successful show in Showtime history and this spinoff, set to premiere in December, will be receive a major audience. She has also done several media interviews including Variety and Entertainment. I think it is safe to say she passes WP:NACTOR.

I think it is safe to say you haven't read WP:NACTOR. Theroadislong (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP: NACTOR is a two sentence read. As rigorous as it may be, I did in fact read it. Nevertheless, the criteria is that the individual have significant roles in television or film. Debra Morgan is a starring role in Dexter Original Sin (check). Molly has also had recurring roles in Evil and Billions. She had a major role in Senior Year which was the #1 movie on Netflix for a long period.

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Molly Brown (American actress). Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline: https://deadline.com/2024/05/dexter-original-sin-cast-patrick-gibson-christian-slater-1235928113/

Variety interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42N0BoAA9Q

Variety article: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/sarah-michelle-gellar-dexter-original-sin-importance-1236088519/

Screenrant: https://screenrant.com/dexter-original-sin-prequel-timeline-explained/

Yahoo: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dexter-original-sin-star-patrick-213709697.html

AfC notification: Draft:Molly Brown (American actress) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Molly Brown (American actress). Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to the personal details those can be omitted. However, in response to your allegation that it is a stretch that she has "starred. in anything" [sic] that is clearly incorrect. Had you opened the Variety argument that I cited you would have seen the following "Variety has learned that Patrick Gibson, Christian Slater, and *Molly Brown* are all set to *star* in the show" (emphasis added). Clearly you are not correct.

With regard to the notation on the other shows I will modify. PJRHawkeye (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Molly Brown (American actress) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Molly Brown (American actress). Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 16:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would advise that you re-read WP:TOOSOON. WP:TOOSOON by its plain and unambiguous language is regarding instances in which the topic itself it too soon to be verified by independent sources. Had you read the multiple sources that I reference you would see that this is clearly not the case. Interviews with Yahoo, Variety, a panel at Comic-Con, a Hollywood Insider article and many more independent sources show that WP:TOOSOON does not apply. Again WP:TOOSOON is not about whether a topic has occurred but rather whether there is currently enough independent verification. In this case, there clearly is and therefore by its plain and unambiguous language, WP:TOOSOON does not apply. PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews are NOT reliable, independent sources, so confer zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but you are claiming that an interview with the cast of a show about the show is "NOT reliable". Can you cite me the rule on that. I have no idea what the words "independent sources so confer zero notability" is attempting to say. Please restate that in an articulate manner. Thanks. PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not re-submit without changing I took out the info box that someone had an issue with. It is unhelpful to falsely claim that something was resubmitted without changes. PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never said you did, I said " It is pointless and disruptive to re-submit with zero improvement". Theroadislong (talk) 17:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is pointless to respond with subjective statements like the one you did. Also please try to use proper English when making comments. Doing so helps me understand the specific issue you are confused about. Thanks PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BATTLEGROUND I am done here with your combative attitude to editing, good luck with the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe that was combative. You stated: "Interviews are NOT reliable, independent sources, so confer zero notability." I sincerely did not understand what you were trying to say because the lack of the word "and" after the word "reliable" makes the sentence difficult to read. That is not my fault.

Moreover, an interview with a media entity clearly is an independent source. In certain contexts an interview could be unreliable (although that can apply to virtually all modes of communication of information and certainly is not unique to interviews). Certainly an interview conducted by a major publication with the cast of a show is reliable as to the actors in the show. It also appears as though you took issue solely with the use of the word "interview". Had you looked at the sources cited, you would have seen that the vast majority of them were not in fact interviews but rather articles issued by major publications including Yahoo, Variety, and the Hollywood Insider.

You are all over the place in your issues with the article and there is absolutely no consistency. At one point you made the argument that you cannot gain notoriety by staring in a show before it is released. This obviously runs contrary to the fact that press tours exist. In addition, the nowhere in the rules that you cited is your assertion supported.

You cited WP:TOOSOON. When faced with the indisputable fact that WP:TOOSOON did not apply, you then took issue with the word "interview". I apologize but you have failed to act in good faith when evaluating the page. PJRHawkeye (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Molly Brown (American actress) (July 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Drmies was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

A person can hardly be "best known" for a "breakthrough" role in a show that hasn't aired yet. As said before, much here is unverified, or very poorly verified. And I still see totally unencyclopedic material in the article, including in the infobox--you put her two non-notable brothers in there? And please clean up the references: no bare URLs, thank you.

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Drmies (talk) 17:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will clean up some of the unsourced references. Having said that your allegation that "A person can hardly be "best known" for a 'breakthrough' role in a show that hasn't aired yet" is clearly incorrect. For example, Daniel Radcliffe's breakthrough role was Harry Potter. Are you saying that Daniel Radcliffe could "hardly be 'best known' for a 'breakthrough' role in a [movie] that hasn't aired yet." People can gain notoriety for roles that have not aired when the subject matter already has a large following. Dexter is the most popular show in Showtime history. It has an extremely large following. Deb Morgan is one of the leads. When the show yet on a press tour during Comic-Con it generated a lot of publicity. Thus, your assertion is clearly incorrect. Moreover, if you could please cite me the proper Wiki rule to support your assertion that this is premature, that would be greatly appreciated. However, I do not believe one exists. Thanks PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I hate to say it but that makes no sense. You're not even talking about Dexter--you're talking about a prequel to Dexter. And while we're on the topic, I think it's time that you are formally asked about a possible conflict of interest. Finally, make sure you are always logged in. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, and Harry Potter the movie is different than Harry Potter the novel. Whether or not Dexter is the 'same thing' as Dexter Original Sin is irrelevant to the issue of whether Debra Morgan, the character, is famous enough to generate notoriety upon the mere casting. Perhaps that is the argument you were attempting to make, but alas it is not the one you made. In any event, as requested please refer me to the wiki rule that makes anything in this conversation remotely relevant. The rules are clear and unambiguous. Please provide me with the rule (assuming one applicable to the thing you mentioned even exists). Thanks! PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, PJRHawkeye. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Molly Brown (American actress), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies do not assume. I am a big Dexter fan. This is an improper notation and should be flagged as such. PJRHawkeye (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Molly Brown (American actress) (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Resubmitted without any meaningful improvement, therefore the previous decline still stands. If the author keeps doing that, this draft may be rejected outright without the option to resubmit.

Moreover, I have gone through the sources, and can confirm that they do not establish notability per WP:GNG. The only one that provides significant coverage is the Gazette piece, and it's based on an interview. In any case, it alone isn't enough.

I also don't see anything there that would amount to notability per WP:NACTOR.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]