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HanBoN

Thanks for the nice welcome. 谢谢。HanBoN (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

You are very welcome. :) --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering, are you an admin? HanBoN (talk) 01:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not. :) --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yecheng/Kargilik County

It looks like there is no opposition for your proposal to merge Yecheng to Kargilik County. Do you want to do it? --Nlu (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. John Hill, the creator of the article Yecheng, still edited it today. I don't know whether he agrees with this merge. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you removed the external link about Shanghai from ChinaTravelGuide.com. And you listed the reason as spam. However, after looked at the site, I don't think it's a spam. It's a legitimate commercial-free wiki site. I was curious about your reasoning. 209.159.64.4 (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Spam is not necessarily a commercial website. Please read Wikipedia:Spam: "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam." If ChinaTravelGuide.com can be added to the External links section, I believe that thousands of other websites' links can also be added. That's exactly what spam means. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I think ChinaTravelGuide.com has additional data about Shanghai that can supplement this article, and additional info that other users can reference. That's the purpose of external link. I noticed that right beside ChinaTravelGuide.com in the original external link was wikitravel's Shanghai article. Can you tell me the reason why wikitravel's Shanghai article should be there while ChinaTravelGuide Shanghai article should not? 209.159.64.4 (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for your message. According to Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, links to open wikis should be avoided, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors, and Wikis that meet this criteria might also be added to Meta:Interwiki map. Wikitravel is listed in Meta:Interwiki map, while ChinaTravelGuide is not. And please also note that according to Wikipedia:Spam, "inclusion of one spam link is not a reason to include another". Even if Wikitravel is also a spam, the fact that it has not been removed does not justify inclusion of ChinaTravelGuide. Thanks.--Neo-Jay (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your time. I think ChinaTravelGuide has a substantial history and editors (but that's a subjective matter and I don't think we should debate on that). The point is that the link provides a unique resource better than the Interwiki link (#1 reason for the link). The link is not pointing to the site in general, but a specific article, which provides lots of specific local info and knowledge (the site itself is also operated by local people, and is specific about areas in China. Most editors are local people, and the content is different from that from a generic catch-all Interwiki site). The ChinaTravelGuide site does not benefit from the link here because of "nofollow", the readers here can find a unique resource from the link. Put yourself in the readers' shoe, do you realy prefer not to know Shanghai as what local people tell you? The link is not spam. 209.159.64.4 (talk) 20:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment. However, it is impossible for us to conclude that ChinaTravelGuide 's contributors are local people. How do you know that? For example, the editors of its article Shanghai (上海) include several IP users and User:JayFang, who claims in his user page that he is a Los Angeles resident. Even he claims that he is from Shanghai in his user page, there is still no evidence to prove that. As you acknowledged, your description of this open wiki website is subjective. Adding external links to its specific articles is promoting this website. As long as it is not included in Meta:Interwiki map, I think it is still a spam. --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

fr:Comté de Zhongmu

Hi, Neo-Jay. Thanks for the information. I just renamed the article and fixed the various redirections to it. Croquant (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Have a nice weekend. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Qing Dynasty empresses

I notice you have previously participated in discussions about the article titles for Qing empresses. I am interested in getting opinion on the correct location of the articles on Qing empresses which are almost all currently located at hideous violations of pinyin rules. I don't have opinions on the format or even the names themselves so I would like to get some consensus before proposing moves. (But please, no hyphens and no CamelCase.) The articles in question are every CamelCase or hyphenated name plus Empress Xiao Xian and Abahai at Category:Qing Dynasty empresses and Category:Qing Dynasty empress dowagers. If you are interested please discuss it here. Thanks. — AjaxSmack 03:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your notice. I support the move. There should be no hyphen or CamelCase according to the rules of pinyin. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


Luo River

Just curious, is the Luo River in Henan different from the one in Shaanxi?

Bathrobe (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are different. If you can read Chinese, please see zh:洛河. Thank you.--Neo-Jay (talk) 03:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Beijing

Hey Neo-Jay/Archive 3! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: User:Poeloq/WikiProject_Beijing. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am not watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, Poeloq (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Audit storm, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I initially wanted to thank you for your reminding and will add references to the article Audit storm. But, after seeing your following warnings, I suspect that your messages to me are personal. Have I insulted you? --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Jerome Frank. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Another five registered users, User:IslandGyrl, User:Catamorphism, User:PaulHanson, User:Jasperdoomen, and User:Uncle G, have edited the article Jerome Frank. Why not also warn them? What content I added do you think is "controversial"?? Please point it out. Otherwise your warning to me is offensive.--Neo-Jay (talk) 12:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Law and literature. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive or hard to read formatting, as you did in Law and literature, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I am curious whether you really read Law and literature carefully. The content was added by Jonchatham at 18:51, 7 December 2006. I just cleaned it up from March 11 to March 12, 2007. Block me? Please try to be civil. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The later messages were mistakenly given. I am sorry for that. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. That's fine. I created and edited Audit storm on 27 April 2006, and created and edited Jerome Frank on 14 February and 25 April 2006. It's very very long ago when I was still a newcomer. I will add references to them. But I suggest that in the future you add Template:Unreferenced to specific articles several days before you leave these warning notices to specific users, especially when there is no clear evidence against their good faith. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Audit storm

Nicely done! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your adding Template:Unreferenced to Audit storm and Jerome Frank. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to thank me; it's my job! :-) - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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ROC/Taiwan

Hi, I just wanted you to know that I don't really mind that much what the article names for the ministry are, as long as there are enough explanations in the actual content. So I don't think I am going to start a new discussion on WP:NC-ZH. You can go ahead and move the ministry articles back if you want to. Thanks for you patience.

Also, thanks for noticing this vandalism. I'm surprised that I didn't catch that...--Jerrch 00:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your discussion at Talk:Ministry of Education (Republic of China). I am really neutral on the ROC/Taiwan issue and fully respect whatever consensus reached at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). I just want to unify the standards and avoid potential disputes or endless edit war. Many thanks for your tolerance. --Neo-Jay (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

I didn't go and see the edit history, so I mistakely thought it was a technical error to see my edit disappear ;) I've add a source that says the name Ping'er suggests "太平"(Peace), Please go and see if my editing is ok. Thanks. 百家姓之四 (Lee) 討論 (Discussion) 11:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks. But the source does not provide English translation. If you really want to translate 平儿 in Dream of the Red Chamber, Peacer is not an English word. Do you mean Peacemaker or simply Peace? I changed it to Peace. Hope that's fine to you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
It's very nice. Thank you! 百家姓之四 (Lee) 討論 (Discussion) 2008年04月9日10:40 (UTC)

Talk:Ministry of Education (Republic of China)

Actually yes, I am talking about the move request; for one thing, the category names and article names should line up, and for another, the deletion of the categories seems to have been way out of process (WP:CSD#G6???). Cheers, cab (talk) 03:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I reverted my edit. See my discussion at that talk page. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Guiyang

Thanks for your comment re: the Guiyang school of Buddhism. For your information, 潙 or 沩 is a duoyinzi, and two of its pronounciations are gui, first and second tone. Look in a real dictionary, or here: http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%B2%A9%E4%BB%B0%E5%AE%97&variant=zh-tw http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A6%85#.E4.BA.94.E5.AE.B6.E4.B8.83.E5.AE.97.EF.BC.88.E3.81.94.E3.81.91.E3.81.97.E3.81.A1.E3.81.97.E3.82.85.E3.81.86.EF.BC.89 A polite question on my talk page would have been a more civil way to handle that. Alexwoods (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, thank you for your message. I didn't realize I offended you. If my message on your talk page made you uncomfortable, I apologize. But, the two links you provided here do not provide the pronunciation of 潙. Can you provide a on-line source for a real dictionary? Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it made me uncomfortable, but it was pretty rude. I unfortunately can't link to my good dictionary because it's not online, but even Wikitionary lists those pronounciations: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BD%99 and here is a reputable source from Google Books indicating that it is pronounced gui in the context of the Guiyang School or of one of its founders, Guishan Linyu:http://books.google.com/books?id=qWrYGZG2yd4C&pg=PA290&dq=%22guiyang+school%22&lr=&sig=HspciVJHFocbGN635ovaKmQswoI
It's almost impossible, as I'm sure you are aware, to say with full conviction that a given Chinese character is *not* pronounced a certain way, which is why, when you think someone is wrong, it's better to ask than to angrily edit. Cheers. Alexwoods (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I apologize again. What's the name of your dictionary? Does it say that 溈 is pronounced as Gui in 溈山? There are 10 results in Google Book Search for the Zen's Guiyang School, 2 for Weiyang School. It seems that there are still disputes on its pronunciation. But as far as Gui is one of 溈's pronunciation, I am wrong. I will be more cautious in the future. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The name of 溈仰宗 came form 溈山 and 仰山. I have not found direct source for the pronunciation of 溈 in 溈山. But, 溈山 is a mountain and the source of the river 溈水 (see a source here). And the pronunciation of 溈 in 溈水 is Wei, not Gui according to this online dictionary. It seems to me that 溈 in 溈山 should also be pronounced as Wei, not Gui. Of course I may be wrong. I will be glad if you can provide counter-evidence. Thank you.--Neo-Jay (talk) 16:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
That is a good point. I linked to Ferguson because that work is considered definitive. I note that the two 'Weiyang School' links are both dubious. One is a translation from a Korean work, which means that the translator could have just looked up the character and read it as Wei, which indeed is the more common modern reading (not that it is a common character), and the other is by someone who claims to have received transmission from that school, which is highly unlikely as it died out (absorbed into Linji) hundreds of years ago. Also the Korean and Onyomi readings point to an original pronunciation of gui (although that is OR). Alexwoods (talk) 18:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. There seems to be a difference between the dictionary pronunciation and the common usage. Could you check your dictionary whether 溈 in 溈水 is pronounced as Wei or Gui? I met another controversy on the pronunciation of 訥 in Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong). Could you also do me a favor to check 訥's pronunciation in your dictionary? And, again, what's the name of your dictionary? Thank you.--Neo-Jay (talk) 18:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Does there? We're talking about a person's name, and the name of the river is hardly definitive. I would say the discrepancy is between the pronunciation of the river and the pronunciation of the name. I think the Ferguson cite is enough. Also, I use the Hanyu Da Zidian. I don't have it in front of me, but I bet it doesn't tell you how to pronounce Mao's daughter's name. Alexwoods (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I just found 溈's pronunciation in 溈水 in that online dictionary. So I guess that Hanyu Da Zidian may also give an example and possibly refer to this river's name. As for Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong), I think that Ne is the only pronunciation of 訥 according to all the Chinese dictionaries I can find. Some other editors disagree, but cannot provide reliable sources. If you can find that 訥 can also be pronounced as Na in Hanyu Da Zidian, that will be great. For further information about that controversy, please see the edit history of Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong) and its talk page. Never mind if you don't have time. Thank you again. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
About Li Na, I have no idea, but na is most definitely a pronunciation for that character. Also I've done some more digging on Google Books, and the variant Weiyang is more common than I thought, so I'm going to mention it on the redirect page. Alexwoods (talk) 19:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. But I am afraid that Na is not the most definitely a pronunciation, at least in Chinese dictionaries, for that character 訥 if you read the discussion at Talk:Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong). All the dictionaries available to me show that Ne is its only pronunciation. I have provided them in the footnote in that article. Again, never mind if you have no time to read them. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Na is *a* pronunciation of that character, which is what I said. I have no idea why you are trying to drag me into this. If she calls herself Li Na, and na is one of the pronunciations of that character, what more is there to say about it? She can't call herself that because it's not in your dictionary? That doesn't make much sense. Alexwoods (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to trouble you. I asked you for help because I don't have Hanyu Da Zidian, the most reliable dictionary. If you read the discussion on Talk:Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong), you may find that we don't have dispute that Na is *a* pronunciation. I have accepted that that article should be titled as Li Na. Our dispute is whether Na is a pronunciation in Chinese dictionaries (please also see the edit history for that edit war of that article). Therefore I am just curious whether Hanyu Da Zidian can prove that Na is also a pronunciation in Chinese dictionary. Thank you for your patience. --Neo-Jay (talk) 20:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

OK sorry. I believe the Hanyu Da Zidian pronunciations are on Wikitionary and Unihan. Alexwoods (talk) 20:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.　Some editors also referred to Wiktionary, but it is not a reliable source. I can understand that you may not have time to look it up for me in Hanyu Da Zidian. I may find it by myself someday. Thank you. Sorry for the inconvenience I caused. --Neo-Jay (talk) 20:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't find either Wiktionary or UniHan unreliable, not that I use them that frequently. Chinese wikitionary is pretty clearly edited by Chinese professors - it even lists Kangxi entries. The only other place you're likely to find dictionary entries that comprehensive on the internet is bootleg Chinese sites and they are more likely to have mistakes in them, in my opinion. Alexwoods (talk) 20:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your information. I checked Kangxi Zidian p.649. The meaning of character 潙 clearly refers to 潙水. It seems that its pronunciation for this meaning is Wei. But I am not sure because I am not so familiar with Ancient Chinese. And the 潙 in Unihan lists three pronunciations but does not clarify which one is for the meaning of that river. I may continue to seek some paper-version dictionaries to check its pronunciation. Thanks for your help. Best wishes. Have a nice day. --Neo-Jay (talk) 00:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

need your help on Jin Jing

Hello, Neo-Jay, we want to push the article Jin Jing onto the "Did you know" on the main page, so many people will read the article on Jin Jing. Could you help us improve that article? My English is not good. Please help us improve the language and the materials. If it's a good article, could you please help us put this article onto the "Did you know"? The question could be '[Jin Jing|Who] is called the "Smiling Angel in Wheelchair" by Chinese people?' Thanks!--Supportjinjing (talk) 01:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I can help edit it. But my English is also not good and I have no experience on the Did you know affairs. Best wishes. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Shaun Tan edit

Hi Neo Jay,

I'm new to Wikipedia, so please excuse any ignorance or mistakes. I've read the policy on autobiography, yet contend that my edits are justified, in that I have removed information that is incorrect (eg. that I work for certain publications, information over a decade old). There is also a comment that is not quite correct about claims to being 'self-taught', taken out of context from another online article. I also prefer not to have my photograph reproduced here, for personal reasons, but understand if you ignore this. Aside from the photo, my main concern is that I've noticed teachers and librarians reproducing poor-quality Wikipedia information.

I've carefully avoided adding any new content or changing any opinions expressed in the article. But if the policy on 'autobiography' (a good one) overrides this, so be it; I'll just have to ask a friend to re-submit the same editing I guess :)

Cheers,

Shaun Tan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostthing (talk • contribs) 09:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. The key point is not only Wikipedia's autobiography policy. You may claim that you just made a joke and are actually not the subject of this article. Or, as you noted, you may ask your friend or use IP address to edit it and easily avoid the autobiography difficulty. But your edit on Shaun Tan also potentially violated Wikipedia's verifiability policy and no-original-research policy. If you think that certain information is incorrect, especially when it has citations, you are highly suggested replacing it with reliable source, not just simply removing it. I agree that the quality of many Wikipedia's articles is low. That's why we are trying to improve it and take Wikipedia's policies seriously. And thanks for your understanding that the photos cannot be removed just because of the subject's own preference. Thank you. Best wishes. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Presidency (disambiguation)

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Presidency (disambiguation), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Presidency (disambiguation). Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your withdrawing your deletion proposal. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Tim jenkinson mistake

Dear Jay, thanks so much for your warm welcome and kind advice, I am deeply grateful for that. As a complete noob, I made a grave mistake in creating the entry "Tim jenkinson", of course, the title should have been "Tim Jenkinson" with the capital "J". I wonder if there is any way you can help me correct this mistake as Admin. Many thanks indeed! Yours ever, PhilosophyKing (talk) 02:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome, dear PhilosophyKing. Thanks for your message. You can hit the button move on the menu to rename an article. For further information, please read Help:Moving a page. By the way, I am just an ordinary editor like you, not an administrator. Hope you enjoy your time in Wikipedia. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank You from a New Wikipedian

Thanks ever so much, what a fine gentleman and a great Wikipedian! My best gratitude and warm regards, PhilosophyKing (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Zhonghua Barnstar of Merit
message For creating over 250 Wikipedia articles, for greatly adding China-related content, for your excellent contribution to the Wikipedia community!
this WikiAward was given to Neo-Jay by PhilosophyKing (talk) on 08:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for the barnstar. It's the first one I have ever received. It's very nice of you.--Neo-Jay (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Shaun Tan

Hello Neo-Jay,

I guess that any policy will have limitations. I understand that I cannot delete incorrect information, such as a statement that I work for a newspaper that folded ten years ago, because I cannot find a citation anywhere that says 'Shaun Tan does not work for this paper' (unless I publish such a statement, which would be silly). The same is true of other information; there is no existing reference to say it is NOT accurate, or no longer current. So there is no way that I can correct anything on this page, so I will accept that position, and simply ask readers to avoid Wikipedia information about my history on my own website. Thanks for taking time to explain the policy, and responding quickly.

Cheers,

Shaun —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostthing (talk • contribs) 03:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Thelostthing, if you are the subject of the article Shaun Tan, please understand that the purpose of these Wikipedia's policies is just to guarantee the correctness of information. Otherwise everyone can claim that he is the subject of this article and edit it arbitrarily. I am sorry that these policies may also cause some information lag. But they are generally good for you. By the way, please don't forget to sign your name after you leave a message. Adding "~~~~" will automatically create a signature for you. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 06:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

My edits

NeoJay,

Firstly, please note that the name of the naturalist is J. Arthur Thomson, (not John A. Thomson) that is he used Arthur as his first name, and used J. Arthur Thomson as his name on works he wrote.

Secondly, I am trying to split the human sex ratio article out of sex ratio because as explained per talk page, sex ratio applies to most sexual organisms, not just humans, and having too much human information confuses and biases it which is a major area of biological research. I will shortly remove most of material on human sex ratio from sex ratio, just leaving a summary there. That may I fear upset some people, who may not have considered sex ratios in anything other than humans, but that is why I am doing it slowly and carefully.

Thanks for your understanding I am not a dog (talk) 09:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I had reverted my edit on human sex ratio before you left the massage to me. And thanks for your information about J. Arthur Thomson. I am sorry. And I encourage you to use edit summary when you edit. It will avoid misunderstanding and confusion. Thank you. Best wishes. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Bo Yang, Li Na

Hey, I've thought a bit more about these articles. My view, still, is that the article should record what they are actually called. Since Wikipedia only trusts reliable sources, this means we only record what they are actually called by reliable sources. Even if that pronunciation is "wrong" according to a character dictionary, or there is another pronunciation that should be equally valid according to a character dictionary, if there are no reliable sources backing up that usage as applied to this person, then it shouldn't be recorded.

So I can accept "Li Ne" being recorded in the Li Na article because it is represented by reliable sources, which, though fewer in number, are at least as reliable as the sources recording "Li Na".

By contrast, however, "Bai Yang" should not be recorded in the Bo Yang article in my view because I have not yet seen a reliable source that records this pronunciation for this subject. I'm not prepared to accept the CCTV video for several reasons. First, as generally accepted in the WP:RS context, television is less reliable than print media; Secondly, it is difficult to ascertain that it was not simply a careless or ignorant error. By contrast, something like Xinhua - or another newspaper source - is more reliable. If you can find some reliable print media sources that show "Bai Yang" being used, then I am prepared to accept that name being in the text of the article.

Character dictionary sources, in my view, can at best explain the discrepancy in pronunciation. Unless they contain a direct quote concerning the person in question, they cannot demonstrate a usage that is otherwise unattested by reliable sources. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

First, we are discussing at Talk:Bo Yang and Talk:Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong). Please continue to discuss there, not my talk page. Second, I have provided source from National Library of China to prove that Bai Yang is an alternative spelling. Please see Talk:Bo Yang. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ngawa Tibetan and Qiang Autonomous Prefecture

Hi. I understand there should not be such a large white space, but now there's this huge gap between "Tibetan:..." and the rest of the text. Tibetan doesn't seem to show up on my computer, but is it possible to not break the text, while keeping the whole thing at the top of the article? It looks as if it was pressed enter, so is there a way to fix this without destroying the text which I can't see? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 21:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know how to fix it. I also cannot see the Tibetan name of this prefecture. It's just a blank line in my IE and a series of ????? in my Firefox. And we cannot fix this problem even when we add a {{-}}. Let's just leave it alone if we cannot find a solution. Anyway, a blank line or a series of ???? is still better than a huge white space.--Neo-Jay (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. By the way, are there similar websites to the Deyang earthquake information on other cities as well? For example, there's a mianyang.gov.cn, do those have the earthquake information for the specific death toll and injuries counts, etc? Also, where is Sina getting the info from? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 21:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Not all the cities' government websites provide their latest death toll in 2008 Sichuan earthquake. And even if they provide, they do not update everyday. I just try to find the latest information as much as possible. You may check these cities' official websites to see whether there is such information. Sina.com and Sohu only provide official death toll released by the State Council Information Office and the Sichuan Province Information Office, which hold news conference or disclose the information to Xinhua News Agency everyday. Sina and Sohu do not dare to report other information even if it is from a local government. sigh... --Neo-Jay (talk) 21:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


About Guanghua Temple

This is clearly a misunderstanding. There are two Guanghua Temples in China, one in Luoyang, Henan Province, close to Longmen stone cave; the other in Fujian Province. This post made a mistake and mixed them up from very beginning, and no one noticed it! Could you help mark it to draw more attention. Somebody has to correct it! 06:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Ramtears, thanks for your information. I have moved Guanghua Temple to Guanghua Temple (Putian). You may create other Guanghua Temples. Please add categories and, if applicable, interlanguage links when you create articles. For example, there are zh:北京广化寺 and zh:洛阳广化寺 at Chinese Wikipedia. Adding interlanguage links can help readers and editors check articles' different language versions. And If you want to rename a page, you can use the move function (see Help:Moving a page). In order to restore the edit history and respect the contributions of previous editors, Wikipedia does not allow moving a page by cut and paste. For the information on how to create disambiguation page, please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Thank you so much for your contributions. By the way, please don't forget to add your signature to your message. A four tilde "~~~~" will automatically add your signature and the time. There is a button for signature at the menu on the top of the page. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
So you're from Zhengzhou. No wonder you're so familiar with Chinese culture. I should avoid editing anything related to Henan Province.:) I found much could be improved in English Wiki concerning China. That's my primary reason to register here. It turned out even some information in Chinese Wiki was also meager. It's a shame. I hope someone could help edit my articles, for I merely translated them from Chinese resources. Cheers! Ramtears (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions. Hope you enjoy editing at Wikipedia. --Neo-Jay (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation Problem

Hello, a trivial issue bothered me. In the first paragraph of article West Lake, the Chinese character "堤" is labeled as "Ti", such as "Su Ti", "Bai Ti" and "Yanggong Ti". But in the "History" section, when "Bai Juyi" is mentioned, someone wrote "Bai Di Causeway". I don't have a Chinese dictionary at hand. Would you please check it to see if 堤 has a special pronunciation "Ti"? Assume it has only one pronunciation, then one of them must be corrected. It's a trivial question, but I just want to perfect it. Thanks! Ramtears (talk) 09:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The proper pronunciation of 堤 is Dī, not Tī. See Kingsoft's online dictionary for 堤. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Title Misspelling

Hey, I have a trivial question again. I found the article title Sen'oku Hakkokan was misspelled. The correct version should be Sen-oku Hakuko Kan or at least Sen'oku Hakukokan. (Please check its official website.) So, if someone search for the correct version, he won't be able to retrieve the appropriate article. Should we move it to a new title? But I hope we could completely deleted the old title, because it doesn't exist at all. Please help solve this problem, for we want to keep information as precise as possible. Thanks! Ramtears (talk) 23:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can move it to Sen-oku Hakuko Kan per its official website. But we may also keep Sen'oku Hakkokan as a redirect. There are 166 hits for Sen'oku Hakkokan by Google Search, even more than Sen-oku Hakuko Kan's 122 hits and Sen'oku Hakukokan's 49 hits. I think that all the other alternative spellings can be created as redirects. Even if Sen'oku Hakkokan is wrong, it's OK to leave it alone. Wikipedian allows some wrong spellings to be redirects, for example, United Kindom. For further information, see Category:Redirects from misspellings. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that you created Zhang Yin (painter) and Zhang Yan (painter). Thanks for your contributions. But please add disambiguation information or create disambiguation page. Otherwise it will be very difficult for other readers to find the articles you created. I have changed Zhang Yin and Zhang Yan to be disambiguation pages. This is a common method for disambiguation. The other method is to create a special disambiguation page with the title "XXX (disambiguation)" if the title XXX has a primary use. For further information, see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know how the disambiguation works. Thank you. Ramtears (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Tangjiashan

Sorry about that. What happened was that I saw the redirect and considered it inappropriate, because Tangjiashan is not Tangjiashan Lake, and your redirect was misleading in that it implied that Tangjiashan was Tangjiashan Lake, which is not true. I felt it was important that we have an article on the subject of Tangjiashan, and deleting the redirect creates a redlink that encourages someone else more knowledgeable about that mountain than me to go ahead and create an article on that subject.

Right after I did the deletion, I decided I might as well start that article so that someone else can expand it. Then I got distracted and simply forgot to undelete the original first edit. Sorry about that! I've restored your original redirect edit.

—Lowellian (reply) 07:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. But, as I said, Tangjiashan is the lake's name. It can refer to both the mountain and the lake just as Huangshan can refer to both Huangshan Mountains and Huangshan City (although Huangshan originally refers to the mountain and the city is named after the mountain). Yellowstone is also not Yellowstone Lake, but Yellowstone Lake appears in Yellowstone (disambiguation). That implies that readers often just search for the lake's name and omit the word Lake. Creating Tangjiashan as a redirect to Tangjiashan Lake is useful and not misleading especially when there is no other article under the same title. Even when Tangjiashan was established as a page for the mountain, it's still necessary to add disambiguation link to Tangjiashan Lake. More importantly, Tangjiashan is not the proper title for the mountain. As I pointed it out, this mountain should be titled as Mount Tangjia or Tangjia Mountains according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). Shan (山) means mountain in Chinese language. Tangjiashan literally means a mountain named Tangjia. Accurately speaking, Tangjiashan is the lake's name and Tangjia is the mountain's name. Therefore the mountain should be moved to its proper title and Tangjiashan should be changed to a disambiguation page. Then I will create Tangjia as a redirect page to the mountain. Please don't delete it again on the ground that Tangjia (唐家) literally means Tang family and a redirect to the mountain is misleading in that it implies that Tangjia is Tangjia Mountain. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 21:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure, all this sounds fine to me. :) —Lowellian (reply) 21:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Another Pronunciation Puzzle

Hey, I need your help again. I was trying to create "Wubao County". It's in Shaanxi Province, and called 吴堡县 in Chinese. In English Wiki, it's called "Wubao" in the administrative table. While in Chinese Wiki where it has been created, it pronounces "Wubu". Then when I check its official web, it seems it's really called "Wubu". I never knew it had a second pronunciation. Could you double check it and help label the tones too? I wish it be confirmed before I create it. BTW, I never trust those online dictionaries, especially kingsoft. Most reliable source would be a hard-copy thick dictionary. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have hard-copy dictionary. According to my personal knowledge, 堡 indeed has a second pronunciation Bǔ, usually used in Northwest China's place names such as Wayaobu (瓦窑堡). But I cannot give you any evidence since you never trust online dictionaries, especially Kingsoft. Then why not follow Wubu County Government's official website? Some Chinese place names have unusual pronunciations. For example, Hongdong County actually should be Hongtong County. 洞 in this case is not pronounced as Dòng, but as Tóng, a very unusual pronunciation. But I am tired of arguing and requesting to move. Hope someone can finally correct it someday. Best regards. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for your swift reply. I'll follow your instruction. Ramtears (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, in the article you've created, 17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, would 章沁生 be Zhang Qinsheng? I'm not sure it has a second pronuciation Xin. If you have solid reference, let me know. Best. Ramtears (talk) 06:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, on the same page, check 杜青林 please. Ramtears (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reminding. You are right. Those were my mistakes and I just corrected them. Thank you so much.--Neo-Jay (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, since you were editing those PLA generals' articles, would you please take a look at the table First PLA Shang Jiang. (For example, the one at the bottom of page Chen Xilian). I used to correct some pinyin misspellings such as Peng Shaohui (彭绍辉) and Wang Hongkun (王宏坤), and hopefully I'm right. But another puzzle is Bo Zhong (傅钟). I'm not sure it's just a misspelling or it does pronounce Bo as a surname. It bothers me every time I see it. We may want to clarify it before it's created. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 03:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you are right. 傅钟 should be spelled as Fu Zhong, not Bo Zhong, just like 傅秋涛 is spelled as Fu Qiutao in Template:First PLA Shang Jiang. Thank you for your correcting other spellings in this template. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. In 17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, should Huang Jingyi(黄晴宜) be Huang Qingyi ? Would you please make sure which one is correct before we create the article. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. That's also my mistake. I have corrected it. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, still in 17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, you spelled 阿不来提·阿不都热西提 as Abulaiti Abudreti. But from its Chinese page, I found the English version has already been created, but with a different spelling, Abdul'ahat Abdulrixit. Would you please check your original source and see which one is more popular in use? Certainly it's unnecessary to create another new article on this. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Ramtears, thanks again. It's again my mistake. I simply wanted to use pinyin for this Uyghur politician but used a wrong spelling. Thanks for your pointing out the correct spelling of this Uyghur name. I have corrected it in 17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Jian River

You changed the Chinese in the article. I readily admit to not reading any Chinese but I am confused as 剑河 produces Jianhe when run through the Babel fish translator and User:Steewi claimed it was used: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Jianhe River. Rmhermen (talk) 15:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The link that translates Jian River as 剑河 is just an online forum and is not reliable. No reliable source refers to this river as 剑河. Most of Chinese reliable sources call it 湔江. But there are still many reliable Chinese sources calling it 涧河. By Google Search, there are 63,000 hits for "唐家山堰塞湖" + "湔江", and 1,500 for "唐家山堰塞湖" + "涧河". I have added a footnote to Jian River for this naming puzzle. I am also confused about it. Probably this river has two names? Many backgrounds of Tangjiashan Lake are still unclear, especially about Tangjiashan. I searched a lot of webpages, but cannot find much useful information about this mountain (if it's really a mountain). --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
A large number of sources are now refering to this as the "Tongkou River"[1]. I don't know which is correct (or even what this would be in Chinese characters. Rmhermen (talk) 15:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Tongkou River's Chinese name is 通口河. Its headwater stream is Jian River. See, e.g., this news report by Xinhua News Agency. I have added this information to Jian River. Thanks for your reminding. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


Disambiguation Mess

Hey, please help me resolve the mess I've created. I found the article Hong Qian about a former female Chinese swimmer, and wanted to move it to Qian Hong in order to abide by naming convention. But Qian Hong was already created for a three kingdom figure. So I created a disambiguation page for Qian Hong, and listed both under it. But when I moved Hong Qian, I accidentally renamed it Hong Qian (swimmer), not Qian Hong (swimmer). Thus the former became default page while the latter would be redirected as a ghost page. My intention is to completely delete Hong Qian (swimmer) and only keep Qian Hong (swimmer) and link it to the disambiguation page. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 13:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your not moving the page by cut and paste. I have placed a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves to request moving Hong Qian (swimmer) to Qian Hong (swimmer). An administrator just moved it for us. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I found another ambiguous issue. There're at least two Lu Hao's in today's China. One is party chief in Gansu, and the other is 1st secretary of Communist Youth League. We probably need a disambiguation page. But I hesitate to do it because the Youth League Lu Hao may probably become a prominent figure in future, (at least provincial head, I suppose). So how to name it bothers me. Could you think of appropriate names to distinguish them? Ramtears (talk) 15:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I had noticed this issue and also found the disambiguation difficult because their career backgrounds are so similar. Maybe we can temporarily move the current Lu Hao to Lu Hao (born 1947) for the Gansu Party Secretary and establish Lu Hao (born 1967) for the Communist Youth League Secretary. Is that OK? --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I can't think of a better way. So go ahead and do that. I can imagine more and more such issues will emerge hundreds of years later. Fortunately we won't live that long to worry about that. :) Ramtears (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I just moved Lu Hao to Lu Hao (born 1947). Thanks for your discussion. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hui opera

Is Hui opera the same as Anhui opera? Anhui opera is mentioned at Chinese opera, but Hui opera is not mentioned at all. Badagnani (talk) 05:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably they are same. 徽戏 (Huī xì) literally means Huizhou's opera or Anhui's opera. You may read Chinese Wikipedia's article 徽劇. Some sources say there are subtle differences between 徽戏 (Huī xì) and 徽剧 (Huī jù). But most sources used the two terms interchangeably. --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we add at Chinese opera "Anhui opera (also called Hui opera, Huixi, or Huiju)"? Badagnani (talk) 05:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, that opera form needs its own page. I think it was very influential, on nearby Fujian traditions and certainly also on Huangmei opera. Badagnani (talk) 05:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It will be great if you can add that information and create such an article. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, but I think you know more. Badagnani (talk) 05:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually I am still not sure whether Hui xi (徽戏) and Hui ju (徽剧) refer to the same opera. I even had not noticed these concepts before my editing at Gaojia opera. Hope someone who is more familiar with this may help us someday. --Neo-Jay (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism issue

Hello, it's me. I'd like to discuss a general question that suddenly appeared to my mind. I know all the works in Wiki need some sorts of originality, which means we can not bluntly copy other materials word by word, sentence by sentence. Actually I made such "copy & paste" mistakes in early days and got warnings. But today, when I was having fun reading the article Liu Bocheng and doing some online searches, I found this page [2], which had almost identical content as English Wiki did. I'm not sure if this site is affiliated to Wiki or Wiki has granted permission for it to duplicate its materials. I believe Wiki is the original author of this article, but my worry is whether it would be possible that administrator of Wiki would use these duplicated materials to accuse the original Wiki articles of copyright violation. Consider sometimes it's hard to determine which version was posted first. Regards. Ramtears (talk) 11:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ramtears, thanks for your concern about the copyright issue. Wikipedia permits anyone to duplicate its materials under the GFDL rules. According to the edit history of this Wikia site's article Liu Bocheng, its content was copied and pasted from Wikipedia's article Liu Bocheng on January 21, 2007. So it's clear that Wikipedia does not violate copyright in this case. I agree that determining copyright violation may be difficult sometimes. If we cannot tell which version was posted first, probably we can presume innocence. Anyway it's up to Wikipedians' discussion and consensus. For further information, please see Wikipedia:Copyright violations. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

RE:Daren, Taitung

Hi, thanks for your deleting Daren, Taitung (signIDlike's space), but please undelete Daren, Taitung, which is a valid article. The problem is signIDlike moved Daren, Taitung to Daren, Taitung (signIDlike's space) as his own place and created a Daren, Taitung (earth) as the township in Taiwan. I moved Daren, Taitung (earth) back to Daren, Taitung and requested to delete Daren, Taitung (signIDlike's space). So please undelete the correct article Daren, Taitung. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap that confused me. Thanks for explaining it to me :) I think everything should be good now! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 09:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. SignIDlike recently made lots of troubles in Wikipedia. Now he just created Daren, Taitung (earth) again! Thank you for your attention. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I have warned the editor, s/he will be blocked if this behavior continues. Thank you for staying on top of things. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 09:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of All China Lawyers Association

A tag has been placed on All China Lawyers Association, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. NJGW (talk) 17:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

My mistake. I apologize. I was clearing out a bunch of spam pages and didn't see that this was the bar association of China. I've removed the tags. By the way, do you think you can wikify the Chinese characters and add some more info (at least a logo)? Right now the article is really bare. NJGW (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your messages. I have added Wiktionary links to the Chinese characters and added the current President to this article. I may add more information if I get time. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I have another seemingly trivial question. When I edited those politicians, I noticed a box indicating the political positions was attached at the end of the articles. You added some of them too. And there usually is a banner on top of it to classify those positions, which looks good. But I got confused sometimes. First, how to distinguish between s-off and s-gov? They seem redundant to me. What's more, I'm surprised to see even more detailed tags. For example, in Xiao Yang, it used s-legal. Certainly, this tag belongs to either off or gov. It may not be necessary to use such narrow category in this respect. Any instructions or suggestions will be appreciated. Ramtears (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Guidelines#B. Offices. It says that the political office (Template:S-off) is for elected politicians while government office (Template:S-gov) is for non-elected government officials; and the legal office (Template:S-legal) is for the officials who deal with the legal system such as judges and Attorney General. Thanks for your message. It's also my first time to read these guidelines. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


SignIDlike (talk) 15:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Why may not I creates place as my space like XXXXX (user's space). For Example:Hualien County (SignIDlike (talk)'s space)

Please feel free to create such entry as your own user page's subpage. But please don't create it as a main article. Thanks for your understanding. --Neo-Jay (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Two identical articles, suggest merge

The following two articles seem refer to the same thing: Sun Yat Sen Park and Sun Yat Sen Park, Macau. Perhaps you can help combine them. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your information. I have changed Sun Yat Sen Park to a disambiguation page. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Confusion caused by categorization

Hey, I was told to add cat to the article Shanghai Concert Hall, and I did, following the examples of similar subjects. But it automatically added a bunch of interlanguage links, which were untidy. Would you please help clean it up? Perhaps re-categorize it. Thanks. Ramtears (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Same thing happened to Shanghai Lixin University of Commerce. Ramtears (talk) 16:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ignore the previous messages. Problem resolved. Ramtears (talk) 19:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Daxing Line, Beijing Subway

Why did you remove the Daxing Line from the "{{commonscat|Daxing Line, Beijing Subway}}"? As is clear from the Daxing Line article, the line is part of the Beijing Subway system and is currently under construction. I don't see why it should be excluded. ContinentalAve (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. 1st, I did not remove Daxing Line from {{commonscat|Daxing Line, Beijing Subway}}. I just removed {{commonscat|Daxing Line, Beijing Subway}} from Beijing Subway. 2nd, "Category:Daxing Line, Beijing Subway" does not exist in Wikimedia Commons. Why did you include such a non-existing commons category in this article? 3rd, even if it exists, it should be included in Daxing Line, Beijing Subway, not in Beijing Subway. Thanks for your contributions. --Neo-Jay (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation. I did not mean to add the "Category:Daxing Line, Beijing Subway" to Wikimedia Commons; was following templates for articles from other lines. Removal was proper. ContinentalAve (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your userpage

Hi. Just to let you know, I have reverted this edit an anon made to your userpage, as it was likely vandalism/personal attack. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 17:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! --Neo-Jay (talk) 23:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not really sure if this was vandalism, but I have reverted it anyway, because it appeared to be unconstructive and the image was also too large. Thansk. ~AH1(TCU) 20:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was a vandalism. Thanks again! --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Jinjiang County

Hi Neo-Jay. Thanks for your advice. Sorry, I moved wikipages manually, I didn't see the Move button which can move wikipages. I will make use of the move button in future.

Ta.

--Visik (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Chinese name convention in Wiki

Hello, it's me again. I've a question which I should've asked you long time ago. But recently I had a little dispute with someone on the proper order of Chinese name Tian Gang, thus I think it's time to bring it up. That guy argued it's conventional to use Gang Tian here for all Chinese mathematicians. But according to my experience, Most Chinese names follow the order "surname first, given name second". Plus, Tian is not as a big guy as Shing-Tung Yau, who can decide his name whatever he likes. Tian is equivalent to other members of Chinese Academy of Sciences and Engineering. Many of them received their degrees overseas, and most of them are well recognized in their field worldwide. But their names still follow the Chinese pronunciation. I don't know if there's a rule or whoever has decided a convention. But if we want to switch to Gang Tian, I'm afraid we have tens of thousands Chinese names to convert. What do you say? Ramtears (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Ramtears, nice to see you. You are right. As a rule, the article for a Chinese person should place his/her surname first as the article title. But there is also an exception: if the person's Chinese name is familiar with English ordering, then the given name should be placed first. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Order of names. I understand that sometimes it's difficult to determine whether the rule or the exception should be applied to a person, such as Gang Tian. In such difficult cases, I usually let other editors to decide. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Cui Yuan moved

Hello Neo-Jay. I moved this page as you requested. Can you do a 'Whatlinkshere' to see if any other pages need to be updated? Thanks. Also I thought it might be worth adding the dates of these two men to the Cui Yuan page. EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, EdJohnston. Thanks for your moving Cui Yuan (disambiguation) to Cui Yuan. I just updated the incoming links to Cui Yuan and added the birth and death years to this disambiguation page. I am wondering why its edit history before the moving disappears. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I restored the missing revisions. After a delay, I can now see them in the history of Cui Yuan. Must have been a temporary database lag. EdJohnston (talk) 18:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I see. Many thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Frederick M. Vinson and Frank Murphy

Thanks for adding the wikisource box to the first article. I am unfamiliar with that. Please take a look at the second article, and see if you could do the same thing there? The soruces are already in the article or in the "See also" section. Thanks. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Stan

Hi, thanks for your message. I just added Template:Wikisource to Frank Murphy and linked it to wikisource:en:Author:Frank Murphy. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
And THANK YOU. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Stan

Re: Talk:Joe Wurzelbacher

I have replied on my talk page. CIreland (talk) 12:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I moved the previous discussions at Talk:Joseph Wurzelbacher to Talk:Joe Wurzelbacher/Archive 1. --Neo-Jay (talk) 13:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

U move to a WRONT NAME in October First School!

Beijing October First School (or call Secondary school(In British style),or Middle school(in normaly) ) is the name of 北京十一学校.There is no such school names Beijing National Day School ---God Bless China- Prinz (talk) 08:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. When I moved Beijing October First Secondary School to Beijing National Day School on 5 July 2008, I was sure, as I wrote in the edit summary, that the official English name in its official website was Beijing National Day School. You may still find this name in its website at, e.g., this page. Please note that this page was posted on May 21, 2008. Although there is also a page at its website using the name Beijing October First School, it was posted on April 4, 2006. Probably the School changed its official English name. You may also find other webpages on the Internet using the name Beijing National Day School , such as this page. Therefore I think that my move was right and this article should be moved back to Beijing National Day School. I have posted this comment at Talk:Beijing October First School. If you are interested, please discuss there. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Ive notise what your mention, and i will contrat the school admin. asap and pls stop move and change about name for while. In fact , so far there is no body noticed about changing the name in that school even for graduated(the group of facebook and other English org about the school still using the name "October 1st"), however i'll try to confirm the confusing. Thx ---God Bless China- Prinz (talk) 09:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Please notice that the Wikipedia's reliable sources are published sources, websites, etc., and not your personal memory. I'll wait for two or three weeks for your confirmation. If there is no new pages posted on this School's website, this article will be moved back to its current official English name. Wikipedia is for the world and cannot wait for you too long. AND, please leave your comment at Talk:Beijing October First School, NOT here. Thanks--Neo-Jay (talk) 10:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA is a encyclopedia basicly,instead of a website for information collections. We need truth (or try to near the truth) and NPOV. What i mention before is trying to make a friendly editing circumstance, and pls notice, neither u nor i can represent the the whole world, if u cannot wait ,pls show out directly. However, before the name verified, the confusing about the cannot be solve by someone's forces,right?---God Bless China- Prinz (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It's you that used impolite words to accuse me. You call them friendly circumstance? Come on, please. Let's try to be civil. I have provided my reliable and verified source. That's not my own POV. According to the current evidence, the School's name should be Beijing National Day School. And I also said that I would wait for your verification and possible new evidence. But of course Wikipedia cannot wait for you endlessly. And, AGAIN: please go to Talk:Beijing October First School and don't leave your comments here. This discussion should be public and open to every reader who is interested in this article. A user's talk page is not appropriate for this discussion. Thanks for your understanding. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Crown Dependencies

I've move back that article to its previous name, thats what they're called, "Crown Dependencies". I presume this was a genuine good faith move but its actually incorrect. Justin talk 11:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

See also [3], example you picked up is sadly incorrect, I can see where you picked it up. Regards. Justin talk 11:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your notice. I still think that Crown Dependencies should be moved to Crown dependency per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). I have placed the request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Please join the discussion at Talk:Crown Dependencies if you are interested. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 11:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
No problem, already have done. I can see where you're coming from, its just this is one of those quirks where the name of something apparently contradicts the guidelines. In this case you would be changing the name of the subject of the article, which would confuse rather than educate the reader. Regards. Justin talk 11:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I know your position. I will discuss this issue at Talk:Crown Dependencies, not my talk page. Thanks for your understanding. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Arilang1234 say Hi

I got your name on Charter 08 and Liu Xiaobo, would be nice if someone upload some images(like photos of Liu) onto wiki commons, looks like it is becoming international front page news in the coming weeks. Arilang talk 06:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice to know you. Thanks for your contributions to Charter 08 and Liu Xiaobo (intellectual). --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Like I mentioned before, www.Boxun.com has a lot of images which will be good for wiki commons, would be nice if some of them be used on Charter 08, I have feeling this article will have thousands of hits in the coming weeks. Arilang talk 14:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

If you upload any image, please be sure to not violate copyrights. For further information, see Wikipedia:Image use policy. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you are also interested in Ming history. Please spend some time to read User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/2. My POV is that Ming and Qing need to be either expanded or modified, only then we can put Huaxia on the correct historical and political position. This is both difficult and important task, someone has to start doning something, and it has to be done sooner better than later, you agree with me? Arilang talk 07:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the articles Ming and Qing of course need to be expanded and modified, just as every other article at Wikipedia. I can understand your nationalist position as a Han Chinese. I am also a Han Chinese and also sympathy with the fall of Ming. But, I hope that our edits can meet Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View Policy. We might be more objective if we are not Han Chinese. Actually, Ming also did genocide to other ethnic groups such as Bo people (僰人). The history of Han Chinese is also a history of colonisation. With the expansion of its territory, how many other ethic groups were massacred and then extinct? Do we really care what crimes Qin Shi Huang and Han Dynasty committed to Yue peoples? Just because we were born as Han, we call Han's conquest of others as epic, and others' conquest of us as crime. Fair? As an individualist, I am first a human, then a Han Chinese. The value of individuals is higher than that of a nation. For me, Ming and Qing should be equally scrutinized and, if applicable, equally condemned. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 13:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The most murderous in human history

Reply at my talk page. Arilang talk 17:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to have a substantive debate with you on whether really "Manchu was the most murderous barbarians" in Chinese history. I only hope that your concerns with this issue is because of your human identity, not because of your ethnic or national identity. And I also hope that your anger and hatred are against the acts, not against any ethnic group. Every coin has two sides. I hope that your hatred does not make the other side invisible to you. Thanks. Period. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
What about Japaneses, Uighurs under An Lushan leadership (1/3 of the pop killed), Turks (Ashina She'er cut dozen of thousand heads in Khotan, 648). The one who can say 'this group was the most murderous' should be really REALLY clever. Yug (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC) >.o

Khitan

Thanks. I like to add content other than history to the article if you agree to move History of the Khitans back to Khitan people. And you may create a separate article under the title like Pre-dynastic Khitans. Now this section is disproportionate long in the article. I have left these opinions at Talk:History of the Khitans and will discuss with you there. --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your changes : that's a good start ;) ! let's roll ! Yug (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC) (+ thanks)
Thanks. Cheers! --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a new interesting 100 pages-long pdf source about khitan (388-1200), to send you. I need your email, can you give me it or send me an email using your email service. Me own email is provide on my userpage, on the right of the maps, on a small png image.

Regards. Yug (talk) 08:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Yug. Thanks for your help. My Gmail account name is yananpeng. Many thanks! --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The file make 49Mo, I try to find a other solution to send it to you, maybe gtalk ? Yug (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I just downloaded all of them! It's so nice of you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

History of Manchuria Template

Can you participate in the multiple links discussion at Template talk:History of Manchuria. Otherwise I'll take it as you agree with my opinion. Elknz (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Elknz. Thanks for your message. Your multiple-links form is not good layout. If this template is changed to reflect the coexistence of different states, it should adopt the form of Template:History of China. Otherwise, I don't support to add so many same links to this template. I have left my these opinions at Template talk:History of Manchuria. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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