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May 2017 WikiCup newsletter
The second round of the competition has now closed, with just under 100 points being required to qualify for round 3. YellowEvan just scraped into the next round with 98 points but we have to say goodbye to the thirty or so competitors who didn't achieve this threshold; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Our top scorers in round 2 were:
Cas Liber, led the field with five featured articles, four on birds and one on astronomy, and a total score of 2049, half of which came from bonus points.
1989 was in second place with 826 points, 466 of which were bonus points. 1989 has claimed points mostly relating to anime and Japanese-related articles.
Peacemaker67 took third place with two FAs, one GA and seven GARs, mostly on naval vessels or military personnel, scoring 543 points.- Other contestants who scored over 400 points were Freikorp, Carbrera, and Czar. Of course all these points are now wiped out and the 32 remaining contestants start again from zero in round 3.
Vivvt submitted the largest number of DYKs (30), and MBlaze Lightning achieved 13 articles at ITN. Carbrera claimed for 11 GAs and Argento Surfer performed the most GARs, having reviewed 11. So far we have achieved 38 featured articles and a splendid 132 good articles. Commendably, 279 GARs have been achieved so far, more than double the number of GAs.
So, on to the third round. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.
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May 2017
Jeb Bush And Derek Jeter have bought the Miami Marlins from the former owner for 1.4 Billion Tm266 (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Tm266: No, they haven't.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 00:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Devin Smeltzer
Why'd you make an article for Devin Smeltzer? He's a pretty low level minor leaguer and all the coverage is either routine reporting or about his medical condition... which isn't all that noteworthy on it's own. I'm probably gonna merge it. Spanneraol (talk) 01:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- He clearly meets WP:GNG, it's significant in-depth coverage that has persisted for years. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Question about Ben Stuckart Page
Hello,
I recently created a Wiki page called Ben Stuckart, and it appears that it was removed by you. I want to thank you for being a loyal admin of Wikipedia and helping cultivate a safe and educational platform. I chose to create this page because Stuckart is a very popular local figure and there is currently no central location for information about him. It is important to me that this exist. Would you mind offering me some advice about what I could do to help this page meet Wikipedia guidelines?
Thank you,
Travis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisrybarski (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Trey Hollingsworth
Joseph Albert "Trey" Hollingsworth III /ˈhɒlɪŋzˌwɜːrθ/ (born September 12, 1983) is an American businessman and politician from the state of Indiana, who is the U.S. Representative for Indiana's 9th congressional district. He is a member of the Republican Party.
That sentence is redundant at best. There is no arguing he satisfied the residency requirements, but your use of "from" implies that he was born/raised in Indiana. There is no need to both say he is "from" the state of Indiana, and is the U.S. Representative for Indiana's 9th congressional district. Your definition of "from" is implied from the latter sentence.
A more proper way to word this whole thing is either:
1. Joseph Albert "Trey" Hollingsworth III /ˈhɒlɪŋzˌwɜːrθ/ (born September 12, 1983) is an American businessman and politician, who is the U.S. Representative for Indiana's 9th congressional district. He is a member of the Republican Party.
2. Joseph Albert "Trey" Hollingsworth III /ˈhɒlɪŋzˌwɜːrθ/ (born September 12, 1983) is an American businessman and politician from the state of Tennessee, who is the U.S. Representative for Indiana's 9th congressional district. He is a member of the Republican Party." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.11.244.254 (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- I can agree with option 1. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The article Jonathan Mathews has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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My bad. How did I miss that? Onel5969 TT me 02:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Devin Smeltzer
Hello! Your submission of Devin Smeltzer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Kosack (talk) 19:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
An editor has proposed at WP:RMTR that Kyle Martin (disambiguation) be moved to Kyle Martin. Do you have an opinion on that? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
"You're trying to bait me with that "college basketball coaches" crack again, aren't you?"
No, I was genuinely surprised that the most notorious child killer in modern times in the UK doesn't have a standalone article. Genuinely. And that now we have an odd scenario where his death is reported globally but not even an RD because the nom has been shut down prematurely without due diligence. Oh well, that's Wikipedia! Next time someone complains about the latest Trumpism not being featured, we can just close it down in a matter of minutes. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Maybe he should have his own standalone article. All I see is an AfD closed to merge, and nobody made any further effort to seek a new consensus since then. I suggest that if you want to have a constructive dialogue next time, don't bring up "college basketball coaches" to me. You keep bringing them up like you're beating a dead horse. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't, I was responding to Bencherlite, not to you, as the indentation clearly demonstrates. Never mind, your reaction is all that needs to be said. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: You told me to "please read the comment above". The comment about the college basketball coaches. Which is you beating a dead horse for going on two years now. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't, I was responding to Bencherlite, not to you, as the indentation clearly demonstrates. Never mind, your reaction is all that needs to be said. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Optimizing the access/archive date format
Your helpful date-format edit adheres to the generally preferred format as given at MOS:DATEUNIFY (date consistency preferred). Still, the guideline suggests that it's OK to normalize the access and archive dates to the "yyyy-mm-dd" format. "For example, access/archive dates within a single article might be in this format (among others): 'Jones, J. (September 20, 2008) ... Retrieved 2009-02-05.'" (Altered from the original.) I like this style better: It's more concise (SPECIAL -- SAVE 7 CHARACTERS!!), less cluttered, and clearer and thus more helpful to the average reader, who most often is interested only in the citation's currency (and doesn't care when it was accessed or archived). Your thoughts? --Dervorguilla (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Angie Craig
Hello, Muboshgu. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Angie Craig".
In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 13:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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The article David Carrington has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN, WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG and WP:SOAPBOX
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Nomination of David Carrington for deletion
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ITN recognition for Jim Bunning
On 29 May 2017, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jim Bunning, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Dominican Summer League Yankees 2 roster
Template:Dominican Summer League Yankees 2 roster has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Spanneraol (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Alex Owumi GA help
I have been working for a long time on the article of Alex Owumi, a professional basketball player who is best known for playing with a team owned by Muammar Gaddafi's family as the country was descending into revolution. Although I know you mainly edit baseball articles, I thought this article may interest you, because you have a lot of experience reviewing good article nominations and this article also has some political aspects to it. If you have the time and interest, feel free to start the GA review. Thank you. TempleM (talk) 23:43, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Nomination of Tanner Ainge for deletion
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- Just a heads-up: I know that you created this as a redirect to the special election article rather than as the standalone article it is now, and that somebody else is responsible for the deletion issue. It's just that Twinkle doesn't know how to distinguish who created a redirect from who created an article, but instead just notifies the first person in the edit history without giving the nominator the opportunity to direct the notification to somebody else — so just be assured that I fully understand that you created a redirect, and there was really just no way for me to stop the AFD notification from coming to you instead of to the editor who converted it into a BLP. Bearcat (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: Of course, I understand that. I use Twinkle all the time. What I don't understand is why someone insisted on making this its own article at such a premature stage. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Devin Smeltzer
On 9 June 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Devin Smeltzer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that professional baseball player Devin Smeltzer was diagnosed with cancer when he was nine years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Devin Smeltzer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Devin Smeltzer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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G.T. Bynum's Wikipedia Page
Muboshgu, I am employed with the City of Tulsa and serve as a Communications Officer in the Communications Department. Mayor G.T. Bynum asked me to make changes to his Wikipedia page, which I did last week because there were errors on the page (such as Bill LaFortune is listed as his uncle, but he is his cousin). He emailed me last night with more changes to include information within the following four headlines/categories: Early Life and Professional Career; Tulsa City Council; Mayor of Tulsa; and Personal Life). I'm not sure how to add these categories. Can you please help me? Thank you, Pam Listar City of Tulsa Communications Officer Pammiestar1 (talk) 14:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
- Hi. I had a feeling you had some sort of personal connection to Mayor Bynum. Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to learn about how to edit Wikipedia given the relationship. It's not forbidden, but care needs to be taken. Also, we work under the requirement of reliable sources for verification of information. Wikipedia strives for "verifiability, not truth". In this case, a Tulsa World article says Bill LaFortune is his uncle. That may well be a mistake, but that's the best info we have. If you have reliable sources to add, newspaper articles and the like, we can use them to correct any errors. Perhaps this would be best done on Talk:G. T. Bynum for transparency, as other editors may not be following my talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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The info about his racial slur is hard to find and shouldn't be hidden under Notable responses to Real Time episodes. It wasn't a response, it was his racial slur. This info is up to date and current and should be written more up towards the top. 68.115.102.188 (talk) 17:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
- It's not "hidden". It's where it belongs per WP:DUE. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The third round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 288 points being required to qualify for round 4. It was a hotly competitive round with all but four of the contestants exceeding the 106 points that was necessary to proceed to round 4 last year. Coemgenus and Freikorp tied on 288, and both have been allowed to proceed, so round 4 now has one pool of eight competitors and one of nine.
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Nomination of Glen Meakem for deletion
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Muboshgu, you had requested in your review that a QPQ be supplied, and a link to one has been provided. Do you think you could return to this review and see whether the nomination is finally all set? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Marc Kasowitz
On 10 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marc Kasowitz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marc Kasowitz has represented Donald Trump in bankruptcies, sexual misconduct allegations, and the Russian election interference investigation? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marc Kasowitz. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marc Kasowitz), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Why did you change David Robertsons wiki page
What the hell he's on the Yankees now that's why I changed it Ctcrilly (talk) 03:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Ctcrilly: Show me the source that confirms that. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Tyler Clippard
Muboshgu, the Trade has been confirmed by multiple sources. He's now a Chicago White Sox. BreadMan72 (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- @BreadMan72: We aren't a news site. We change it after the teams announce it, and as of the time of the edit the trade hasn't been finalized. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Now the deal is officially done. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Rick Langford
On 24 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rick Langford, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rick Langford pitched 22 consecutive complete baseball games in 1980? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rick Langford. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rick Langford), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Sources
I was trying to add a reference when you jumped in. Enigmamsg 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Enigmaman: Please add the source in the same edit when you add the text. Uncited text like that is likely to be challenged. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Changing date formats
Please don't change date formats, as you did in this edit. Per WP:DATERET, existing date formats should be left alone. ISO 8601 date formats are explicitly allowed by MOS:DATE, and it is not useful to remove them. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate: ISO isn't forbidden, but it's clearly worse to use. People in regular life use mdy and dmy, not ISO. It's an American film, and Ametica has the "strong national tie" to mdy. How does it help the wiki to revert that perfectly fine edit? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- No, it's not clearly worse to use. ISO date format is allowed by the very guideline that you cited when changing the format. Your edit was not "perfectly fine" – it was disruptive and violated WP:DATERET, which explicitly disallows what you did. Please do not unilaterally change date formats like this again. If you disagree with the date format used on a page, start a discussion on the talk page and gain consensus. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate: So tell me, why is the release date in the Infobox in mdy format? Surely by your logic it should be ISO? The infobox datr establishes the page is mdy format and nobody bothered to apply it to the references until I did. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- We don't use ISO date format outside of citations. In the article body, we use either mdy or dmy format. With citations, ISO dates are a perfectly legitimate format, and, as I've said several times now, is explicitly allowed as such by the manual of style. The MOS says that the date format in the body can be chosen via strong national ties. The article uses mdy format in the article body, as this is an American film. There is no reason to change the date format or citation format. This is explained in WP:DATERET and WP:CITERETAIN. If you don't understand this stuff, you really shouldn't be using automated scripts to change date format. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate: I understand that an American film has strong national ties that make mdy format preferable to ISO, and that includes the references. I also understand that we're wasting a lot of time on something incredibly stupid instead of actually improving content. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:53, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- We don't use ISO date format outside of citations. In the article body, we use either mdy or dmy format. With citations, ISO dates are a perfectly legitimate format, and, as I've said several times now, is explicitly allowed as such by the manual of style. The MOS says that the date format in the body can be chosen via strong national ties. The article uses mdy format in the article body, as this is an American film. There is no reason to change the date format or citation format. This is explained in WP:DATERET and WP:CITERETAIN. If you don't understand this stuff, you really shouldn't be using automated scripts to change date format. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate: So tell me, why is the release date in the Infobox in mdy format? Surely by your logic it should be ISO? The infobox datr establishes the page is mdy format and nobody bothered to apply it to the references until I did. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- No, it's not clearly worse to use. ISO date format is allowed by the very guideline that you cited when changing the format. Your edit was not "perfectly fine" – it was disruptive and violated WP:DATERET, which explicitly disallows what you did. Please do not unilaterally change date formats like this again. If you disagree with the date format used on a page, start a discussion on the talk page and gain consensus. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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What do you mean, "my edits remove sources and use biased language?" The user, Rockypedia, removed MY sources - two videos that are literally the full version of the interview with the quotations in question. He stalked me here from the page for Jared Taylor and did this out of pure spite. Rockypedia replaced my superior source with only the out-of-context quotation from a book; the quote from the book makes it appear as though Owens was taking a shot at McNabb, when in actuality, as proven by the full version of the video, he was not. The media at the time used this same method to fuel the controversy, and Rosenhaus (whom Owens later fired) failed to properly address this in his book, instead isolating his response to the same out-of-context quote. If wikipedia is interested in neutrality and fairness, the full version of the interview is the one to use.24.178.250.78 (talk) 02:06, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
George Brauchler
I had the intention of developing the page further on Brauchler, who is not only a Republican gubernatorial candidate and an office holder but was also the prosecutor of James Holmes, who perpetrated in the Aurora movie theater shooting in 2012. I understand that my page appeared to be nothing more than a stub but I had the intention of spending much more time on it developing it. I am sorry that this page did not meet the criteria for retention in its current state and I will work in the coming days to make the page more Wikipedia worthy, and if you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks!
Count Awesome (talk) 05:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Count Awesome: I see that I forgot to use an edit summary, which is my bad. It didn't appear to me to meet WP:GNG which is why I reverted it. Maybe the subject does, though. Perhaps we can draft it together before it goes live? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Ok..New to me, Need an advise: "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. [snip]
I thought WP could not further surprise me. I stayed calm and collected, polite and rational/logical and dispassionate. But..... Then just shut down when...... I dont know. "this discussion is over just because" *sigh* So what is this mentioned "appropriate discussion page" for this here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:2017_Unite_the_Right_rally#I_love_you_wikipedia.2C_showing_your_true_colors._Is_this_REALLY_front_page_news.3F_Seriously.
So: (Frankly and without cynicism) I do not know what this refers to regarding that: "the appropriate discussion page." Please link, perhaps? Thank you for your time. p.s.(addendum) I regret if I did something wrong or upset you. Sinsearach (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Sinsearach: You haven't done anything wrong. We seem to disagree, there's nothing "wrong" with that. The editor who closed the discussion (here's the link, it wasn't me), did so on the basis of WP:NOTAFORUM, the idea that this section wasn't about improving the article, which is the point of the talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- One more thing: Can you offer any advice/etc for one who now is feeling a freight-train weight of discouragement & despair against any participation at all in WP due to apparent absolute vanity of attempting to even imagine any effort whatsoever resulting in anything productive or worthwhile coming of it - ever ...... :/ Sinsearach (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia runs on the WP:CONSENSUS of its editors. Sometimes I'm on the other side of that consensus, even though I'm sure I'm right. We can't win them all. The most important thing is to stay WP:CIVIL. As long as everybody is doing that, things tend to work out here for the best. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- One more thing: Can you offer any advice/etc for one who now is feeling a freight-train weight of discouragement & despair against any participation at all in WP due to apparent absolute vanity of attempting to even imagine any effort whatsoever resulting in anything productive or worthwhile coming of it - ever ...... :/ Sinsearach (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Riley Adams (baseball)
On 14 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Riley Adams (baseball), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Toronto Blue Jays baseball player Riley Adams has a black belt in karate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Riley Adams (baseball). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Riley Adams (baseball)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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ITN recognition for Gorakhpur hospital deaths
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Thanks for adding the link; I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose eventually people will wonder what he was referring to. At least, I hope people will be wondering what he was referring to... Swanny18 (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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Dominic Smith
I disagree with your decision to remove the section about Michael Bourn from Dominic Smith's article. I think the fact that the Mets refused to relinquish this pick, and ended up selecting Smith with it is fairly relevant. Maybe it could have been edited down a bit, but it is certainly at least worth a mention.Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:04, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Talk:Unite the Right rally
Hello,
The personal discussion between you and User:Rms125a@hotmail.com at Talk:Unite_the_Right_rally#Manufacturing_council has gone on long enough. The thread was closed because it is no longer focused on improving the article, and there is no need for either of you to continue to respond to each other's perceived personal attacks. Wikipedia:No personal attacks sums it up pretty well: "Comment on content, not on the contributor."
Thanks, Dlthewave (talk) 16:53, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Everett Scott
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Your GA nomination of Everett Scott
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Hi, I came across this article yesterday through a link on one of the webpages listed here, and didn't realize you were planning to nominate it for DYK. Thanks for the co-credit! I wanted to fill out the History section with more information about when the suppliers started producing the items, but need to do more research. I'm also wondering how to mention some of the player nicknames without being WP:UNDUE. In a few more weeks we'll be able to add how much they raised from selling the game-used jerseys. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Actually, I wasn't planning on nominating it for DYK, since I wasn't planning on expanding it to 1500 characters. You expanded it there, so I decided it should be at DYK, with us both getting credit for our contributions. I can help you with that research, though I didn't see more about the history of it since it was only announced a few weeks ago. I'm not sure about how to list specific nicknames. A few people have selected their favorites (mine was Kyle Seager). The money raised should be known soon. We can hold off on providing the QPQ to expand the article further. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oops, I just provided a QPQ. But the article is in good shape to appear on the front page as is, IMO. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Ha yeah I suggested that after you provided QPQ. Thanks for that. We can still propose better hooks if there are any. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's a great hook! If only we could get an image ... Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Yeah I'm surprised there hasn't been an image posted. If only the Orioles had been the home team, we'd have a bunch of free professional photos to choose from. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hey, I did a different search on Flickr just now, and found lots of free images from the Cleveland Indians-Kansas City Royals game: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Awesome! – Muboshgu (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- BTW, I think the page name should include MLB, because the name is pretty general in a Google search, and there are similar events in other sports. Would you prefer MLB Players Weekend, which is what the sources call it, or Players Weekend (Major League Baseball)? Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think a page move is needed, not while there isn't another notable topic with the same name. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:48, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- BTW, I think the page name should include MLB, because the name is pretty general in a Google search, and there are similar events in other sports. Would you prefer MLB Players Weekend, which is what the sources call it, or Players Weekend (Major League Baseball)? Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- Awesome! – Muboshgu (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hey, I did a different search on Flickr just now, and found lots of free images from the Cleveland Indians-Kansas City Royals game: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Yeah I'm surprised there hasn't been an image posted. If only the Orioles had been the home team, we'd have a bunch of free professional photos to choose from. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's a great hook! If only we could get an image ... Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Ha yeah I suggested that after you provided QPQ. Thanks for that. We can still propose better hooks if there are any. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oops, I just provided a QPQ. But the article is in good shape to appear on the front page as is, IMO. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Good Faith, please
On August 28th, 2017, you wrote to another editor respectfully nominating a news event (related to antifa) for the front that his or her "pro-Trump bias is showing". This is a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:GOODFAITH. Please adhere to the social norms we have in place here. Thanks. JDiala (talk) 06:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) This was in response to "So finally the MSM admits that antifa are the violent ones." so saying that a nomination (as opposed to a person) clearly shows pro-Trump bias is fair comment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you Ritchie333. I don't have to assume good faith when bad faith is prominently displayed, JDiala. That was not a good faith nomination. I could've written a more elegant oppose reason, but I didn't think it was necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:34, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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New Tigers
It's weird, it does show new Tigers Perez, Cameron and Rogers on the 40 man roster at Tigers.com but I think you're right because they purchased Holaday and Navarro's contract to fill the two spots after the trades. I guess you can't trust the Tigers website for the roster. RobDe68 (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
- @RobDe68: I saw the roster on mlb.com too and was surprised that somebody added them. They weren't on the Astros 40 man roster, and if they're not September call ups, there's no reason the Tigers would add them now. And the promotions of Holaday and Navarro prove that those are mistakes. They happen, I guess. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
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On 10 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Players Weekend, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Players Weekend was the first time the New York Yankees had a name on their uniforms? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Players Weekend. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Players Weekend), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Doug Jones (attorney)
I have obtained a photo of Doug Jones directly from the campaign and they sent me a photo of Mr. Jones. I have posted it on his wiki page, but seeing as I didn't take the photo, I am having permission issues. Any advice? Inunotaisho26 (talk) 00:51, 13 September 2017 (UTC)Inunotaisho26
- @Inunotaisho26: Go to Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard. You can submit the request there. They'll handle it. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:27, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Messer Edits
Hi Muboshgu, You recently reverted my edits on the Luke Messer (the congressman) page, and I'd like your help. The page has been the source of some controversy: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/25/fight-between-luke-messer-and-todd-rokita-has-spilled-wikipedia/504716001/, and I didn't mean to be misleading. I genuinely think the page needs to be overhauled to fit Wikipedia's standards. There is incorrect information (like that Messer is registered to vote at his mother in law's house (a citation I tried to add says his wife's mother in law, meaning his mother) and improperly cited information. Extraneous information has been added to the page that does not belong there. I tried fixing things. The paragraph about his wife is particularly poorly written, which is why I tried shortening (removing duplicate information) and clarifying it.
The first line of the bio reads like a dead person on Wikipedia's does (listing every job they've had) whereas congressmen's pages tend to say "[name] is the U.S. Representative for [District], serving since [year]. Sometimes it says "politician and member of the [r/d] party". I looked up the rest of the Indiana delegation before making the changes I did.
Please advise on how I can make appropriate edits to the page. I think this is a genuine issue, and that pages meant to provide information should not be used as political tools by either side, particularly when some of the information is incorrect or using biased language.
Thank you, Thatgirl7250 (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Fort Bragg Game
On 18 September 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fort Bragg Game, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Fort Bragg Game was the first regular-season professional sporting event held at an active military base? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fort Bragg Game. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Fort Bragg Game), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Please discuss
Please discuss instead of revert. Nuking content en masse makes incremental improvements of the encyclopedia impossible. This is explained in detail in WP:Editing policy. Additions are not required to be perfect. Flawed content is better than no content. Fixing some of it is better than deleting all of it. This fundamental to how Wikipedia is made.
If this were a case of WP:BLP issues, where poorly sourced defamatory information were involed, mass deletion is justified. Your problem is only that its incomplete. That is not defamatory. It's just a sign of the fact that Wikipedia is always a work in progress.
Please go to Talk:Seattle mayoral election, 2017 to discuss further. Or better yet, devote your time to writing the missing content, and then no discussion is necessary. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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James Thompson article deletion
Not knowing there had been a previously existing but deleted article on James Thompson (Kansas politician) I wrote one last night. There were blind links that redirected to the KS-CD4 Special Election page, so I removed them, and wrote an article entitled James Thompson (Wichita politician) to avoid confusion. Then tried to move the Article to the "new" (actually, unknowingly, old) title.
Two administrators and another editor were helpful in merging the article (I presume there hadn't been much to merge, from the old one) during the wee hours, which allowed the Article with the old title to be superseded by the one I wrote. This involved considerable inter-editor direct correspondence plus less discussion on Talk pages.
The merging also caused some redundancies, which I eliminated in subsequent edits.
Thompson has filed for the seat and may have opened an office to run for the 2018 nomination. If you have misgivings, could you review the restored title and considerably extended article and undo your revert? It would be much appreciated. I'll devote considerably more energy improving it today, but I spent many hours trying to sort this out, due to the confusion, so I desperately need to grab some sleep. I know that you didn't restore the deletion out of any sort of malice, this has just been a product of considerable inadvertent confusion. Thanks. I suppose a note on the article would be helpful if anyone else who was involved in the AfD has the page watchlisted. I don't know how to do that. If you have time could you write and post the note? Thanks again. Activist (talk) 17:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Activist: The old article is in the history merged article history. It's as thin on sourcing as what you're currently working on. If this is all there is, I'd appreciate you revert it to a redirect so that I don't have to. He doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- I woke up half an hour ago and returned to fleshing out the article. Please look at it now. I'm only asking for a little patience as I continue with the task. I'll look at the history of the merged article. Thanks. Activist (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
- I've been patient. Rather than redirect it myself, as the first AfD's closing admin suggested, I opted to create a new AfD discussion. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- I woke up half an hour ago and returned to fleshing out the article. Please look at it now. I'm only asking for a little patience as I continue with the task. I'll look at the history of the merged article. Thanks. Activist (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Heart and Hustle Award
Muboshgu, The Heart and Hustle Award actually does have thirty winners every season with one overall winner. Please contact postoffice@mlbpaa.com if you have any questions. 96.81.44.57 (talk) 23:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Precious three years!
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- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks! I don't remember being added to that list. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
NPOV tag
On U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present) It's my understanding that WP:NPOV applies to encyclopedic content (articles) not talk pages, so expressing an alternate POV in the talk page seems appropriate. I also believe that you've exceeded your authority in removing the \{{POV\}} tag without resolving the issue. I'm not the first to raise question about the neutrality of the article, and I'd ask that you restore the tag yourself, and consider that your own POV is not neutral. I'll repeat the advice of a previous poster on your talk page: Please discuss instead of revert. Burt Harris (talk) 20:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Burt Harris: You're right that NPOV doesn't apply to talk pages, which is why POV on the talk pages isn't removed. But when you put a POV tag on the article, that's a bigger deal. When you do so without proposing any changes and suggesting players "show the respect that's called for in this country", that's a problem. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Muboshgu I'm perfectly within acceptable behavior by adding the POV tag, it's you who ware violating policy by reverting it. You've clearly been warned about this before.Burt Harris (talk) 20:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
FYI (and anyone else that passes by): Burt raised this matter at WP:Editor_assistance/Requests#NPOV_and_revert_of_POV_tag. After studying the incident I advised him that he failed to demonstrate any actual POV issue, and that removing the tag appears to be entirely appropriate. Hopefully that resolves the matter. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- @J. Johnson: Thanks. I was not aware that Burt had raised the issue anywhere beyond the article's talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Counterpoint?
Whom do you suggest might be quoted. A Democrat who does not favor Thompson, or a Republican who was dismissive of the import of the partisan vote swing from five months earlier. I'd be happy to look for one. Activist (talk) 00:58, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Activist: I was really suggesting that the quote not be used because it doesn't have context and only serves to promote the subject. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Rex Tillerson
Hi please stop removed from add Rex tillerson it is very important thing event please stop removed thank you GAJJR (talk) 05:10, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
It is not a violate wiki natural of view point or something GAJJR (talk) 05:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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