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Your draft article, Draft:Vijay Jaju

Hello, MatthewVanitas. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Vijay Jaju".

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by one of two methods (don't do both): 1) follow the instructions at WP:REFUND/G13, or 2) copy this code: {{subst:Refund/G13|Draft:Vijay Jaju}}, paste it in the edit box at this link, and click "Save page". An administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 09:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

17:44:42, 7 July 2015 review of submission by Laynecoop


Hi Matthew! I submitted a question to the Articles of the Creation page as well but I was hoping you could give me some tips on what I need to change in order to get my article approved! Let me know, thank you! Laynecoop (talk) 17:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Laynecoop (talk) 17:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

how to move draft into a main article page

Plz help me.I am Nahida Akter username nahidacste36 My article United College of Aviation,Science & Management is showing in draft.How can I move it to the main page?

I submit it.It is still in review process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nahidacste36 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Nahidacste36:, you must click the "Resubmit" button to get it reviewed. You should not move it to the main pages, because it is not at all ready, and will be deleted if moved. It must remain as a draft until it is improved. You have had at least four editors tell you exactly why it is not being approved, and you have not taken their advice. The most recent one left a long comment explaining what it is you need to do. Please read their advice, follow it and improve the article, and only then click Resubmit when ready for review. MatthewVanitas (talk) 12:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

23:56:32, 7 July 2015 review of submission by Harmonium22


Harmonium22 (talk) 23:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you please tell me the reason my article on Mekeel McBride was declined? It seems to me she is a sufficiently notable writer--several of her books of poems are published by prominent publishers. If it is a matter of detail changes I will be happy to make them. Thank you, Harmonium22 Harmonium22 (talk) 23:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Harmonium22:, the links to reviews are helpful, but the links to places that have published her do not add to WP:Notability. We need to see other people writing about her, not just links to her poems, not links to company/publisher/school profile or bio blurbs, etc. Sorry I messed up the link for WP:Notability (writers), but please take a look at that guideline, figure out any changes you need to make, and click Resubmit. I'm mostly away for the time being, so your next review will be a different person. MatthewVanitas (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

15:12:54, 8 July 2015 review of submission by Biosforauthors


Biosforauthors (talk) 15:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello Matthew,

I've thoroughly revised the piece according to your advice. I hope it's ready to approve now. I'm eager to get on to some other entries. Biosforauthors (talk) 15:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.

Biosforauthors


Thanks for the great feedback. I integrated the points. Of course, it would make sense if you reviewed the edits, but if you are on vacation... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biosforauthors (talk • contribs) 01:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Biosforauthors:, it's best a different reviewer gets fresh eyes on it. Good luck! MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


18:45:47, 7 July 2015 review of submission by Brandywna


Brandywna (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello Matthew

Thank you for your review of the article. I am a little confused by your critique. You said that there was an issue with my sources. However, though many of my sources were produced by the Brandywine institution itself, a few others were produced by credible, established, and respected institutions like the Philadelphia Museum of Art and the Smithsonian. I am unsure as to why these credible institutions don't qualify as secondary sources? Is it that I need more credible institutions talking about Brandywine or that i didn't have enough in-text citations?

Hello @Brandywna:, at the time I reviewed the article you had far fewer sources, but this is now a lot better. I think this article will ultimately publish, but there are a few big changes to make:
  • You need to remove 95% of the "About Us!!!" kind of stuff; we don't need a complete list of goals and target audiences, and full description of the collections. A Wikipedia page is absolutely not" a spare "homepage" for any organization, those details belong on the group's own website. At most, you could briefly quote a sentence or two where they summarize themselves (as a direct, cited quote, not as though Wikipedia is stating it for them), but the article should not at all resemble a "Welcome to WNA's Official Wikipedia Page!!!" because that is absolutely not what we do here.
  • Speaking of which, you must change your username. It is not permitted to have a "group" username, which yours appears to be. You can be "Ted from Brandywine WA" or "PenguinsFan76@BWARchives" or whatnot, you don't need to conceal an affiliation, but the username must be specific to an individual, and the account never shared. So no "PR rep at Brandywine" allowed; accounts belong to a person, not a position. Your account will be frozen if you don't change your name, so please visit WP:Change username to do so. Do not just stop using this account and open a new one, please take the 5 minutes to request the change, and all will be well.
  • Footnotes are specifically for "here's a reliable, independent source which proves the fact I'm footnoting". You're leaning really heavily on just one PMoA publication right now, so I strongly advise you go to GoogleBooks and find serious works that discuss Brandywine, and cite those in to support exiting or new facts in the article. You can use http://reftag.appspot.com to instantly turn any GoogleBooks link into a fully formatted footnote. I note a number of books about art/print history discuss the group and its work.
  • The history section is really long and detailed, so unless you're citing it to outside observers, it looks a lot like the BWNA just using Wikipedia as a place to copy-paste their "Our History!" section. Long story short, if there's Fact XYZ about BWNA, and nobody other than BWNA has noted said fact in published works, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but rather just on BWNA's own website.
  • Single biggest piece of advice: if this page looks like BWNA wrote it for themselves, it will not publish. Even if you are affiliated with BWNA, you can't let that interfere with this process, and the safest way to do so is to only use WP:Independent sources to gather facts, and clear your head of any pre-existing knowledge that you happen to know from being with BWNA. The only things that would be acceptable to source from BWNA are extremely non-controversial facts like founding date/people/location, a directly quoted brief summary of their mission. Absolutely any "claim to fame" or "here's an interesting fact" should be sourced to objective, neutral, outside experts.
If you knock out the above, this should publish no problem. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 13:49:54, 6 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Pleasespammelater


Hi Matthew,

Thanks for taking the time to review my first Wikipedia article. But I'm confused by the reasons you mentioned for the denial. I read the criteria at WP:Notability (music) and it seems to me that the submission actually qualifies under 2 of them (even though only 1 is required):

-> "Criterion 1: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself"

You said "media coverage in the immediate area" doesn't count. But I didn't see any mention of that rule in the criteria.


--> "Criterion 6: Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians"

The ensemble actually has four notable musicians. Two of them are in the notable Alexandria Harmonizers (who are internationally recognized and which already has a Wikipedia article). And two others are in the notable Glen Echoes, who have performed at a Major League Baseball game for 8 conesecutive years including a nationally televised performance.


Does that help?

Pleasespammelater (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


Pleasespammelater (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Pleasespammelater:, I'm on vacation and also not one of the music experts, so my best advice is to post your question and rebuttal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk to get answers from more people. Sorry for the delay. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

My article BARBHAG(NALBARI)

Why do u decline my page? I've submit link of our district administation website, govement cencus report website,and news article to. . . So,why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.38.153 (talk) 00:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Please log in before posting on Talk pages, since your post gives no idea who's talking to me or about what, so I had to go search for your page. If you just log in first, I can see your username and past edits to know what you're talking about.
@Ahmedjinnatul and 112.79.38.153:, I did not decline your post, User:Sulfurboy did. Please ask that other user, but note also that they pointed out that your formatting is not at all proper Wikipedia formatting. Please take a look at pretty much any article on Wikipedia to see how to make section headings, how to make lists, etc. I will fix a few things for you just as an example, so please follow the example I show to make fixes. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Correction, I declined it once earlier when you had no sourcing; Sulfurboy declined it next, after you had some sourcing, for formatting reasons, so please discuss with him, also I am on vacation now. If you cannot get a satisfactory answer, please see WP:Teahouse to speak with volunteer mentors. Also, do not remove previous Decline boxes, or (like happened here) people will not be aware of earlier declines, we need you to leave the old pink boxes there for our reference as we work with you in reviewing. Simply click "Resubmit" when ready and the yellow box will have priority over the pink, but leave the pink ones there. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Your good faith acceptance...

...has kicked a nest of one hornet. That hornet is now stinging me. My last interaction with him produced an unpleasant reaction and I have no intention of repeating it. Good luck with this one. Fiddle Faddle 21:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Timtrent and FF:, I will note that I didn't actually accept his draft as-is, but rather accepted it and then replaced it entirely with sourced text. I've left Mike a message explaining why he shouldn't be tampering with an article about him, though I do understand that a lot of bio subjects just refuse to accept that, so if he won't let sleeping dogs lie, I'll request page protection until this dies down. Thanks for the heads-up! MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:42, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I saw the edits you made, proper and within policy. I discovered I had met the gentleman before when he was not polite on his talk page earlier. I declined the diatribe he posted as some sort of draft article, went to his talk page to welcome him and found I had met him before. Ah well. Fiddle Faddle 12:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Raymond Westbrok

Yes, I copied my draft and direct submitted it, when I learned of that functionality and to test whether it really worked, not to bypass the Wikipedia vetting. Some helpful editors with Wikipedia skills I lack improved my direct submission, so I let it be. 13:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrenceastein (talk • contribs)

DELETE! DELETE! DELETE!

Matthew, You butchered my factual submission and created a bastardized piece of crap! DELETE EVERYTHING! One more time. I am country music's no.1 black yodeler I started recording in 1981 at Globe Recording Studio in Nashville and released a 45rpm single. I have never sold DIY tapes at a Union 76 gas station. In 1986 the Union 76 Truck Stop in Birmingham, Alabama became the first of many to sell two of my studio recorded and released cassettes.

If you can't make these changes, you're a bullshit artist who really isn't trying to do a decent presentation. If that's the case, DELETE EVERYTHING and don't bother contacting me further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black Yodel No.1 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

@Black Yodel No.1:, nope, I'm just assiduously following Wikipedia rules. If you don't like our peaches, you shouldn't shake our tree, but it's too late now. And that's all I have to say about that. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Mike Johnson yodeler

Delete everything. I spent decades establishing myself and I won't allow my status and accomplishments to be deminished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black Yodel No.1 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry @Black Yodel No.1:, can't do that, it's not your article. An article is about you, not for you. As a subject, you qualify under WP:Notability (music) to have an article. You wanted an article, and so I spent time giving you advice, and then helped make major changes to your draft to make it publishable. When you started the draft process, you were asked if you were trying to write about yourself, and given links to WP:Autobiography which very, very clearly explains why you shouldn't write about yourself. You pushed forward, wanted an article, and now you have an article, and it's not going to be removed based on the subject's request.
Really worth reading is our summary Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. But it's a done deal now since you pressed forward in wanting an article, so no it will not be deleted, and if someone tries to remove text or delete it without good reason, administrators will just lock the page so it can't be edited by normal accounts. I'm sorry if you're not pleased with the end result, but this is exactly why we tell people that they shouldn't get involved with their own article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Johnson (yodeler) is probably a god idea, so I have created it as a neutral nomination on the editor's behalf. How and whether you choose to opine is entirely up to you, Matthew. Fiddle Faddle 22:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I often find I am allergic to the phrase "Do you know who I AM???" the more so when it is from a self declared star. I think we have both done our best. I wish I could find some more references for the article Fiddle Faddle 19:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Lake Carroll

I am doing this for a school project and thought this article would be perfect. When you deleted my edits I was offended at first but now see where you were coming from. I deleted the community promotion parts and am now searching for information from reliable sources. It is a lot harder than I initially thought and makes me appreciate the creators of Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehamburglar22 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Thehamburglar22:, yeah it can be hard not to take it personally at first. Wikipedia is a lot more organized than people first realize, and we're usually so used to just posting whatever on Twitter or FaceBook that being told "you can't do that" is unpleasant at first. But once you get more into it, you can see it's a really developed collaborative process.
If you're writing specifically about a housing community that is not technically a town or village, that might get a little tricky since a community has to have some form of official recognition to merit an article. That is, a town/village, or even a Census designated place in the US generally gets an article since those are clearly-defined locations, but neighborhoods that largely exist in local knowledge without much documentation, or semi-commercial organizations like a housing tract, are trickier to write about because often nobody has written about them except people that live there, or companies that sell property there. So if you want to write about the Lake Carroll housing area, you would need to take a very hard look at the basic guideline WP:Notability (and/or its 10-second version WP:42) to see if that community qualifies. If not, you could always work on expanding the article about the larger community it falls under, or the physical lake itself, or the county overall, and can also upload photos to illustrate those articles. Also if there are any National Register of Historic Places buildings in your area that don't have an article, those automatically qualify for articles if you want to compose one.
If you're not quite sure what to do for your project or how to come at it, visit WP:Teahouse and let the volunteers there know what you're thinking and get some feedback. Welcome aboard, thanks for rolling with the punches and keeping an open mind about getting used to how things work here; it can be frustrating to learn the ropes, but this place overall runs surprisingly well for a volunteer outfit spread around the world and read by literally 10 million readers or more every day. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello

I'm Constantin Costescu and I submit an article about the Medical investigations of the future, presenting my model and brief of my research. More info is on www.hdev.info web site.

I saw the comment that you cannot take my words for it, and no cite is on the material.

Let me tell you why.

First, the material is representing my research and the wikipedia is the first place when I published my neural model of brain, Costescu Neural Model. What cite should I put in?

It will be published on the researchgate, feel free to take a look: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Constantin_Costescu3/contributions/

Second, you cannot take my words for it.

If Hans Berger had said in 1924 that found a wave and post this on wiki - Alpha - Berger wave that will be future EEG, what would have responded to your comment?

Sorry for my english, if is the case, my first language, unfortunately for me, is science.

Kind regards, Constantin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctinc (talk • contribs) 20:34, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Ctinc:, I'll tell you exactly what I would've told Hans Berger in 1924: we are an encyclopedia, not a science journal, we do not publish WP:Original research. If you have groundbreaking findings in your field, please submit them to peer-reviewed academic journals, contact news media, etc. Wikipedia only covers issues which have been comprehensively examined and discussed by outside, neutral observers. If your discovery is significant, then surely somebody else who is impressed by your work will eventually write an article about it. Since you are not at all neutral on the subject of your own work, since of course it is impossible to be so, that means you are not at all the person who should write an article on this topic. Again, the most useful guideline to read would be WP:No original research. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

In this case, "No original research", I need to admit that you have right. Just a little mention, my theory, is not just a innovation, is the medical investigation of the future and can save millions of lives. That is what we're talking.

Thank you for your time, Kind regards, Constantin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctinc (talk • contribs) 20:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Ctinc:, your theory might be the best thing ever, I'm not at all arguing that it is or isn't. I'm just pointing out that we don't publish original research, it's simply not what we do. But rest assured, if your theory is groundbreaking and it gets printed up in academic journals and the news, then certainly someone will write an article for it. In the meantime, as an actual researcher your best bet is to publish your work in academia as is the standard. Good luck in your research! MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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13:03:17, 13 July 2015 review of submission by Adrien at Desoutter


Good morning there,

I'm the community manager of the Desoutter Tools company. Our competitors all have a wikipedia page, which are quite the same than the one I would like to post. Please, could you help me improving my draft, to be able to submit it with success?

Thank you very much in advance. Adrien

Adrien at Desoutter (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Adrien at Desoutter:, if any of your competitors have a page remotely like you submitted, please submit those pages for WP:Speedy deletion for breaking our guidelines on advertising.
To be blunt, your draft is absolutely, positively, unarguably advertising and does not at all resemble a neutral, encylopedic article. My best recommendation is that you take a look at WP:Conflict of interest, and understand that we are not simply free webhosting where you can come in and make an extra "About Us!!!" page to promote your company. Though it is not absolutely forbidden to make a page for your own company, it's almost always a bad idea, and your draft gives no indication that you have any interest in making a page that is neutral and objective. There is absolutely no way you can look at your draft, and come to any conclusion other than "this is an advertisement".
I hate to sound like a jerk here, but you're asking for help publishing an advertisement, we don't do advertisements here, so that's really about all there is to say. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)



Adrien at Desoutter (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, nice Matthew, thank you for your explanation about what the Wiki page should looks like, it's all clear.
I'll try to do my best on it and submit it again.
My apologizes if I've disturbed you.

13:31:36, 13 July 2015 review of submission by 178.26.40.179


178.26.40.179 (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC) Hello, reviewer hosts, I was entrusted by our European-wide organization (the U.E.P.) to insert the article in question (that has been approved by all member organizations) in the Wikipedia encyclopedia. I have already succeeded in getting the German version included and then proceeded to add the English version, in the future the same procedure will concern the French version. The text is the same as in the (already approved) German version, I am waiting for my account to be recognized in order to be able to upload the same logo (symbol of the U.E.P.) that had been uploaded to be presented within the German version. I am taken aback by your rejection. I am supposed to add citations? Links to quotes by other sources??

Please ensure you are logged-in prior to posting comments, as the above question you submitted to me anonymously, which makes it hard for me to understand who I am replying to.
Hello @Doitsuno ookami:, the page on the German Wikipedia is not at all a good one, so please do not use that article as an example.
The problem is that you have not provided at WP:Independent sources discussing the UEP. We do not care what the UEP has to say about itself, we are not FaceBook or LinkedIn, we are not a place to have an "extra homepage". All we care about is what other, objective, neutral parties have to say about UEP. You asked Links to quotes by other sources?, and that is somewhat the right answer. When you state a fact about UEP, we want to see a citation to a newspaper, book of military history, etc. which verifies the fact. We only care about the facts that other people care about, so if there are minute details that no newspaper or book has ever bothered to take note of about UEP, that means that Wikipedia does not want that fact either.
I strongly advise you read the guideline WP:Notability (organizations) to see the requirements. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

18:54:50, 13 July 2015 review of submission by 81.88.73.84


Hi, iam unsure if the reviewer understand that some of the referances are to Nazarian Para PMC. they are in norwegian and "Nazarian" (informal) is the daily usage, whilst Nazarian Para PMC is the formal name, seldom used.

[1] (3) [2] (4a) [3] (4b) [4] (5)

NRK Norsk rikskringkasting is the state owned Television channel. Nrk.no is their webpage. BT is Bergens tidene the second largest newspaper in Norway. Webavisen is a smaller webbased newspaper.

The formal name of Norway is Kongeriket Norge, but in daily usage it is Norge (informal). Thous there are no direkt media referances to the full name of the club. they use "Nazarian" when referanse to Nazarian Para PMC.

for instance when the news list - "Norges Airsoft Forbund tar sterk avstand fra airsoftklubben Nazarian" it means "Norwegian Airsoft Association strongly opposes Nazarian airsoftclub" (or nazarian Para ASC)

i hope this clearifies some of the hickups, or am i at fault here, not technically good enought to understand what you are really intrested in? i try my best to show referances and citations, however iam unsure if i fully understand what citations really mean..


81.88.73.84 (talk) 18:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

18:14:51, 14 July 2015 review of submission by Nocompromise6


Nocompromise6 (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Nocompromise6:, what is your question? If you're asking why I declined your draft, it's because it's very, very obviously just advertising for a company, and not at all an encyclopedic article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Nazarian PMC

Thanks for the help in editing the draft. i do however wonder how to add pictures.

Best regards Varg BF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Nazarian14NFFN88:, don't worry about photos until the article publishes. Let's focus on content first, that's the priority. In the meantime, if you know of any other news articles, mentions in academic papers or journals etc. about this club, please add them to the References section so I can take a look at them and figure out how to help incorporate the content. Please bear in mind our [[WP:42|fundamental guideline:
Shortcuts

Articles generally require significant coverage

in reliable sources

that are independent of the topic.


So, the more you can show that people outside of Nazarian have discussed the club, the higher the odds of getting this draft published. I don't speak Norwegian, but I can use GoogleTranslate, so you can help us a lot by finding every mention of them in serious news reporting and adding it. Are there any sources that mention them being a motorcycle group? From my quick glance at the sources, they seem to be mostly covered as an Airsoft club. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. again thanks for the help, iam staring to figure out how the edeting works now.

forward - There was, much of it is however so old that it has been deleted by newspaper and Tv/Radio stations. but ill work to find it for you. gimme a few days and ill see what i can find from the graveyard. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


Hi again Matthew.

If you take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WObtINtNjgk @1:50 this is live fotage from NRK (Norwegian broadcasting company - state owned) this clip has since been removed from NRK.no website because there where som faulty jurnalism in this clip. and a short appolegy where provided. it is the same program (news) which is mentioned here. http://www.bt.no/meninger/Barnesoldater-i-Bergen-1807322.html "Vestlandsrevyen mandag 19. juni satte søkelyset på airsoftklubben NAZARIAN i Ytre Arna. I reportasjen får vi vite at klubben har medlemmer i alderen 12 til 42 år, og at de trener krig flere ganger i uken." translation - "Western television news Monday, 19 June put the spotlight on airsoftklubben Nazarian in Outer Arna. In the report, we learn that the club has members aged 12 to 42 years, and that they train war several times a week." since this program has been removed from the net, i cannot count as a source directly, but by research and knowledge it indeed a fact.

but since it is not directly traceable. how does one citate this?

i mean - just because someone lies, or would deny the fact - about "the muslim massacre at srebrenica" in the interest of covering it up. Does not mean it did not happend. and thous, i'am unsure how to handle these facts and citate them correct.

Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


i know forums are not a good source of information.

but here is two more cases of the issue at hand.. these are discussed the day it went on air on tv..


http://www.airsoftguns.info/viewtopic.php?t=7909

"Postby Agaton_Sax » 19 Jun 2006, 21:50 Her er sendingen som gikk lokalt i Hordaland på tv i dag for de som er nysgjerrige. http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/171005 Det jo også rimelig kjent etter hvert at media og journalister ofte har en fin tendens til å overdramatisere ting, og ikke minst skaffe 10 høns av én fjær. Faren framover nå blir om VG eller en annen riksavis snapper dette opp og blåser det fullstendig ut av proporsjoner. Da står hobbyen vår i litt mer fare. La oss håpe dette blåser stille over og media har glemt saken når helgen nærmer seg."

if you try to follow the link, it is dead, this because NRK has migrated their archive to a new platform and thou much past 2011 is lost. here is above post translated directly by google..

"Postby Agaton_Sax »June 19, 2006 21:50 Here's broadcast went locally in Hordaland on television today for those who are curious. http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/171005 It the also reasonably known eventually that media and journalists often have a great tendency to be dramatic thing, not to mention raising 10 chickens one feather. The danger ahead now is whether VG or another national newspaper snap this up and blows it completely out of proportion. When is our hobby in a little more danger. Let's hope this blows over and the media have forgotten the matter when the weekend approaches."

and the followup on state radio..

"Postby Agaton_Sax » 19 Jun 2006, 21:56 De fleste av oss som driver med dette, gjør det for samholdet og vennskap. Jeg vil nå påstå at Nazarian også driver etter den filosofien. I alle fall det inntrykket jeg fikk etter å ha hørt debatten på radio i dag. http://home.broadpark.no/~njalb/nrk-hordaland.wma At noen drar den lenger enn andre vil nok alltid skje."

Again, the link to radio is dead. even so. it is a fact. even if a library is burnt down, and the knowledge is lost, it is not wiped from history before it is forgotten. wen it is forgotten, it is. and i try to preserve it before it is to late. so i do need some help here. i know the golden rule etc. but i'am running out of still remaining citations..

best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk • contribs) 11:43, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


- "this clip has since been removed from NRK.no website because there where som faulty jurnalism in this clip. and a short appolegy where provided." this regards www.nrk.no

- "if you try to follow the link, it is dead, this because NRK has migrated their archive to a new platform and thou much past 2011 is lost." this regards www1.nrk.no

two different sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi again matthew..

here is a document, the document is supposed to be at http://www.nasf.no/pressemelding.pdf but has been deleted.

here is the document in full -

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NASF PRESSEMELDING http://www.nasf.no/pressemelding.pdf

Norges Airsoft Forbund www.nasf.no • styret@nasf.no Org nr. NO 985 434 824

19.06.2006

Pressemelding

Norges Airsoft Forbund tar sterk avstand fra måten Nazarian Para ASC, som har tilholdt ved Arna utenfor Bergen, utøver sporten airsoft. Deres fokus på militær disiplin, fysiske avstraffelser og marsj trening i full uniform på offentlig sted er langt fra hvordan det etablerte airsoft miljøet tilsluttet Norges Airsoft Forbund utøver sporten.

At Nazarians oppførsel skaper bekymring og uhygge i lokalmiljøet er kritikkverdig.

Det at Nazarian på sin web side også gir inntrykk av at de er i stand til å utføre skarpe (ekte) militære oppdrag tar også Norges Airsoft Forbund sterkt avstand fra, og dette er holdninger vi i det organiserte airsoftmiljøet i Norge ikke ønsker å assosieres med.

Norges Airsoft Forbund har vært et nasjonalt forbund for airsoft sporten i 7 år, er godkjent som idrettsorganisasjon, registrert i Brønnøysund registrene, godkjent som skytterorganisasjon av Politidirektoratet og har hele tiden hatt et nært forhold til så vel lokale som sentrale politimyndigheter.


Om Norges Airsoft Forbund Norges Airsoft Forbund ble stiftet og godkjent som idrettsorganisasjon av departementene i 1999 og ble formelt registrert i Brønnøysund registrene som ideell idrettsorganisasjon i 2004.

Klubber tilsluttet Norges Airsoft Forbund, og airsoft miljøer vi har kontakt med i Sverige, Danmark og England, driver med sporten ene og alene som en positiv frilufts aktivitet. Norges Airsoft Forbund er politisk og religiøst nøytralt og ekstreme politiske holdninger blir ikke akseptert. I henhold til Lov om Skytevåpen og Ammunisjon (1961-06-09-1) er det 18 års grense på airsoft i Norge, og medlemmer tilsluttet Norges Airsoft Forbund (i kraft av godkjent skytterorganisasjon) som er over 16 år kan etter 6 måneders aktivt medlemskap, hvor medlemmet spiller under forsvarlig tilsyn av verge, søke politimesteren om dispensasjon.

Norges Airsoft Forbund var initiativtager for at airsoft skulle legges under våpenloven og få 18 års aldersgrense da Forskrift om Voldsprodukter (som airsoft våpen tidligere lå under) ble opphevet i 2001. (Frem til 2001 hadde Norges Airsoft Forbund eneste dispensasjon fra forbudet mot airsoft våpen i kraft av idrettsorganisasjon.)

Alle medlemmer av Norges Airsoft Forbund reiser til og fra spill i sivil og skifter til klær for bruk under spill inne på området det skal spilles på. Klubber har alltid grunneiers tillatelse for områder som brukes og politi informeres alltid om spill. Det settes også opp gule varselsplakater for å informere om spill av hensyn til turgåere.

Medlemmer i Norges Airsoft Forbund er stort sett menn og kvinner over 20 år, med vanlige utdanninger og jobber som omfatter for eksempel håndverkere, butikkansatte, tannleger, advokater og ingeniører. Personer med våpenrelaterte hendelser på rullebladet nektes opptak for å forhindre at kriminelle får innpass i miljøet.

For ytterligere spørsmål om Norges Airsoft Forbund kan Karl Åge Holm kontaktes på epost karl.aage.holm@nasf.no eller telefon 971 00 220.

Styret Norges Airsoft Forbund


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NASF RELEASE http://www.nasf.no/pressemelding.pdf

Norges Airsoft Association www.nasf.no • styret@nasf.no Org nr. NO 985 434 824

19.06.2006

Press Release

Norges Airsoft Association strongly opposes way Nazarian Para ASC, who abide by Arna outside Bergen, athlete sport airsoft. Their focus on military discipline, physical punishment and advancing training in full uniform in a public place is far from how it established airsoft environment affiliated Norway Airsoft Association athlete sport.

At Nazarian behavior causes concern and uncaring in their community is reprehensible.

That Nazarian on its web page also gives the impression that they are able to perform sharp (real) military mission also takes Norges Airsoft Association condemning and this is attitudes we in the organized airsoftmiljøet in Norway do not want to be associated with .

Norges Airsoft Association has been a national union for airsoft sport for 7 years, has been approved as sports organization, registered in Brønnøysundregistrene, approved shooting organization of Police Directorate and has always had a close relationship with both local and central law enforcement.


About Norway Airsoft Association Norges Airsoft Association was established and approved as sports organization of ministries in 1999 and was formally registered in the Company records as ideal sports organization in 2004.

Clubs affiliated to the Norwegian Airsoft Association and airsoft environments we have contact with in Sweden, Denmark and England, doing sport solely as a positive outdoor activity. Norges Airsoft Association is politically and religiously neutral and extreme political views are not accepted. According to the Law on Firearms and Ammunition (1961-06-09-1) is the 18-year limit on airsoft in Norway, and members affiliated to the Norwegian Airsoft Association (by virtue of an approved shooting organization) who are over 16 years at 6 months active membership, which the member plays properly supervised by a guardian, search superintendent for exemption.

Norges Airsoft Association was the initiator for the airsoft would be laid under the Firearms Act and get 18 years of age when Regulations on Violence Products (as airsoft guns were previously under) was abolished in 2001. (Until 2001 the Norwegian Airsoft Association only exemption from the ban on airsoft weapons power of sports organization.)

All members of Norway Airsoft Association travel to and from games in civil and change into clothes for use during games inside the area to be played on. Clubs have always landowner's permission for areas used and police informed always about play. It also picks up yellow warning posters to inform games of consideration for hikers.

Members of the Norwegian Airsoft Association are mostly men and women over 20 years, with regular educations and jobs that include for example artisans, shop assistants, dentists, lawyers and engineers. People with weapons-related incidents on the record is denied admission to prevent criminals break into the environment.

For further questions about Norway Airsoft Association can Karl Aage Holm contacted by email karl.aage.holm@nasf.no or phone 971 00220.

Board Norges Airsoft Association

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How is this to be submitted as Citation or referanse?

Best regards Nazarian14NFFN88 (talk) 18:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.nrk.no/hordaland/skepsis-mot-militaersport-1.615951
  2. ^ http://www.bt.no/meninger/Barnesoldater-i-Bergen-1807322.html
  3. ^ http://www.webavisen.no/artikkel/1949990/barnesoldater-i-bergen.htm
  4. ^ http://www.nrk.no/hordaland/tar-avstand-fra-ungdomsklubb-1.625350

I see you are kind of around

The yodelling gentleman seems about to make a fool of himself by being likely to ignore a final warning. If you have some influence with him perhaps you might intercede. Fiddle Faddle 16:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Instead he took the advice to opine at the AfD, but he failed to take the advice to do it in a measured way, preferring the more confrontational approach. Fiddle Faddle 22:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

20:25:19, 16 July 2015 review of submission by Admiral Sansky


Hi, how could I reference the books in question? Would it have to be actual passages, or a link to the book's sell page, or what? I'd love to be able to do this as if it were a "real" article, but obviously it's a fictional character.

Admiral Sansky (talk) 20:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

ok, I will try to do accordingly and submit the article into the English Wikipedia again. Yours Doitsuno ookami — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doitsuno ookami (talk • contribs) 11:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Battle of An Ninh

Thanks for looking after my new article. I've been editing it-wiki from 2006, but this was my first English article. Bye --Demostene119 (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

On reviewing drafts for submission

Thanks for vetting the draft for submission. I followed up with a question in the article base. Maybe something will happen. Have a good summer! -- Haerdt — Preceding undated comment added 18:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Prince Stefan Cernetic

Hello, I don't understand what i miss for my last edit to get my article approved. please be clear on what i must do because im lost Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by BillionaireBay (talk • contribs) 12:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @BillionaireBay:, what your article is missing is absolutely any WP:Independent sourcing whatsoever. It's basically just facts that Stefan wants to promulgate about himself, and sourced to his own personal webage. So it's not at all credible because it's just the subject talking about himself.
Also, even a cursory look at Google shows a lot of skepticism about Stefan's claims to royalty, which the article doesn't mention at all, leaving out "half of the story". If it's your intent to use Wikipedia to promote Stefen's claims, be advised, that's not how Wikipedia works. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 12:47:01, 20 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by PlatinumDJs


Hello Matthew,

I have changed the page I sent in for review. I was just wondering if it will be accepted now. Also I have filled in a form for changing the username to Jason at Platinum DJs. Could you please let me know if these are enough changes or if I have to do more too get the page online. Thanks for your help! Annemarie

PlatinumDJs (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Jason at Platinum DJs:, whenever you think your draft is ready for another review, click the "Resubmit" button in the pink box on the Draft page.
That said, you really need to read WP:Notability (companies), as your current level of sourcing doesn't meet that mark. You must demonstrate that Platinum is somehow more significant than the thousands of other DJ companies on the planet, and not by Platinum's own claims, but by showing serious medic coverage and discussion of their work. If all that the world is saying about them is "they hire DJs to play shows and do a good job", that's great for a company, but it's not something notable enough to have an article for. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 22:10:20, 20 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Mdy1981


Thanks for your feedback regarding the article for creation on Gertrude Katz. You wrote "we need works about her, not works by her, as footnotes". This makes sense. In light of that, what is wrong footnotes #3 and #4? Why are those insufficient?

Mdy1981 (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Mathew, I tried to publish an article about a Moroccan Think Tank, however my submission was declined because the notability of the organization could not be verified. I did put the link to the official website of the organization and I mentioned its partnership with an American Think Tank that has a Wikipedia page (The German Marshall Fund of the United States). I am not sure how the content of my post does not respect the guidelines of notability, since I don't know what other information I could provide to fulfill those requirements. I hope you can help me out with this, Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.180.166 (talk) 10:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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