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Ashir Azeem

I reverted your edit. There is no reference to him being in the PAF. If you wish to add him to that category, please add an appropriate reference. Thanks. --113.203.204.28 (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@113.203.204.28: According to the article, he was an aeronautical engineer in the PAF. His profile at the Express Tribune would confirm this. Hope this helps. Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

OK. I reverted my revert. --113.203.204.28 (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Dina Jinnah

I just saw that you added divorce on Dina Wadia's info-box, but the references you provide, doesn't support the divorce. Can you tell me that how do you know that whether she was dovorced or is a widow? Ki Sochai (talk) 10:59, 8 July 2017 (PTC) Ki Sochai (talk) 18:01, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi. A widow is someone whose spouse has passed away so in that respect, she would already be one (if assuming her marriage contract remained). However, it is established across multiple sources that her marriage didn't last long and she separated from Nevilla Wadia. If you read the sources provided, they state that she obtained a divorce. Mar4d (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Notelist

Firstly, I thank you for your input in helping resolving the rather unnecessary dispute. One relevant question for me to improve the article is the notelist section. I know how to mark repeated references using refill [1], but don't know how to mark repeated notes which I will very much need for the article. Any help here is very much appreciated.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 01:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you add the "This user is a Pakistani Wikipedian" template to your page" ?

Ditto. --113.203.198.24 (talk) 09:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Request for help at Ehsan Sehgal

Hi there, would you be able to help verify some Urdu sources over at Ehsan Sehgal? The references section is a bit of a mess, some of the English-language sources were used in a misleading or exaggerated fashion, and the problem has been brought into relief by the fact his daughter is requesting the deletion of the page (it's currently in AfD but looks like the decision will be keep).

Thanks for any help you might be able to offer. Landscape repton (talk) 11:07, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Help

Hello, Mar4d. Could you please tell me about AfD's where I went wrong? Greenbörg (talk) 13:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

@Mar4d: Any suggestion as I'm completely dependent on web sources? Greenbörg (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

answer

this is in response to the qts u put on my talk page, sorry for late reply, balti people used to aware of their own calendar which was actually Tibetan calendar but for the masses now it is not in currency. Most of people ,except elders, are not aware of it but intellectuals have mentioned it in their works (like in Arz-e-Baltistan by ibrahim zair)and i read some of books. these were in urdu language and not available on internet. --Baltistani (talk) 10:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi.. i have got some related stuff which is in urdu if u,r interested then share u,re email adress i will send it to u.thanks--Baltistani (talk) 10:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

the way u mentioned doesn,t seem working as there was no option for sending photograph. can,t you send gmail address?--Baltistani (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I recognize your contributions to Wikipedia. Thanks for your contributions. Greenbörg (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: Thank you, that is very kind of you. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

well deserved. --Saqib (talk) 07:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tourism in Balochistan, Pakistan

The article Tourism in Balochistan, Pakistan has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article conveys no information whatever about tourism in this province

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. : Noyster (talk), 11:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

No way

You edited the C.A.S. School article which I attended during childhood from grade 1 to 7. Just been fixing up the article. Did you ever go there or know anyone there?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@NadirAli: I am not affiliated with that school. It is a prominent school though :) Mar4d (talk) 07:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

It is especially nowadays. It's too bad I left when I did. I had completed the kindergarten and junior school and started at the senior school campus back in the day a few years before they moved to defense. Although I found the junior school campus sub-principle was enforcing a deep sense of westernization, things are changing. Those were the awesome days and a time to live in Karachi. :-) --NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 16:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Sharif's article

Hello, Mar4d. I'm working on the chief ministership of Shehbaz Sharif which is more appropriate title. If we rename it 'administration' then we can't add all that messy stuff. An administration is similar to a ministry where you only add names of minister or like. The Premiership is different where you can add all the steps taken by that person. Khattak article needs to comply with WP standards. There is a lot of promotional stuff. You can check these articles: Premiership of David Cameron, Second Cameron ministry, Chief Ministership of N. T. Rama Rao, Chief Ministership of Rajagopalachari. Thanks, Greenbörg (talk) 07:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: Fair enough. It would really make sense though if we keep the names consistent, whether that is for the Sharif article or Khattak article. Both articles aim to cover their chief ministership (if that is a better word than administration). Mar4d (talk) 07:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Greenbörg (talk) 07:36, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Urdu Sources for Syed Ali Raza Usama

I found you on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Intertranswiki/Urdu. Can you do a search in Urdu for reliable sources for the director Syed Ali Raza Usama (سید علی رضا اسامہ - I think)? I do not know the language, but I suspect that sources for the director, if they exist, would likely be in Urdu or Punjabi. He seems to be a fairly notable director, but sources are not easy to come by in english or searching using his latin name. I have tried searching in Urdu with google translate, but not had any luck (perhaps I got his name wrong). Thanks. — Insert CleverPhrase Here 12:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere:, and also @Saqib:, @Greenbörg:: My initial assessment concurs with you that he appears to be notable. Which sort of reinforces my apprehension about the way some AfDs are conducted hastily here. Your Urdu translation is correct, however I did not even have to do an Urdu search. Here are some useful English sources if you plan to salvage the article:

"Director Syed Ali Raza Usama". BBC Radio Asian Network. 23 March 2014. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
"Bashar Momin – Pakistan's most expensive TV serial begins today". Pakistan Press Foundation. 14 March 2014. Retrieved 26 July 2016.
"Syed Ali Raza Usama –man with the magic wand". Geo Entertainment. 2015. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Haider, Sadaf (27 August 2015). "Thunderous Bashar Momin ends with a change of heart". Dawn Images. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Directed by the well-known Syed Ali Raza Usama, this A&B productions magnum opus was one among a crop of more male lead-focused dramas released this year.
"Lux Style Awards 2014 Film Nominations : The "hits", the "misses" and the "snubs"". Galaxy Lollywood. 13 August 2014. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Mukherjee, Abhishek (13 May 2016). "Main Hoon Shahid Afridi — A gust of fresh air". CricketCountry.com. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Syed Ali Raza could easily have wanted Main Hoon Shahid Afridi to become mindless entertainment, but he chose not to.
Ghafoor, Usman (20 September 2015). "Pakistan's new cinema". The News on Sunday. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Syed Ali Raza Usama, the director of 2013's second highest grosser (after Waar), Main Hoon Shahid Afridi (MHSA), is another drama veteran.
Bhutto, Rozina (10 December 2015). "Geo TV's 'Teri Meri Jodi' looks like a light-hearted comedy". Hip in Pakistan. Retrieved 26 July 2017. The play is directed by Syed Ali Raza Usama who earlier directed Bashar Momin.
Shabbir, Buraq (28 October 2016). "Khuda Aur Mohabbat returns". The News International. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Directed by Syed Ali Raza (Usama), Khuda Aur Mohabbat season two will see a relatively new cast (except for the lead actors)...
Alavi, Omair (3 May 2015). "The many faces of Alyy Khan". Dawn. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Some of my plays with Angeline Malik, Syed Ali Raza Usama, Barkat Siddiqi and Ahson Talish are either on air or ready, so you will be seeing a lot of me on TV." Alyy says...
Alavi, Omair (8 June 2014). ""Heroes are not made on television."". The News on Sunday. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Alavi, Omair (26 October 2014). "The heroic anti-hero". The News on Sunday. Retrieved 26 July 2017. His entry to show business was inevitable; his late father Zubair Abbasi was an award winning writer, his aunt Seema Ghazal is one of the most popular writers of the current generation whereas his first cousin Syed Ali Raza (Usama) has directed the feature film Main Hoon Shahid Afridi and TV's most expensive serial Bashar Momin.
"2014 Lux Style Awards: Meet the nominees!". Dawn. 13 August 2014. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Farooq, Aisha (2014). "Nominations for the Lux Style Awards 2014". Desi Blitz. Retrieved 26 July 2017. Syed Ali Raza Usama, Azfar Jafri, Bilal Lashari, and Meenu and Farjad are also all up for the Best Director award...
"Will Bashar Momin live up to the hype?". Pakistan Today. 16 March 2014. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Alavi, Omair (30 March 2014). ""Films and theatre are my domain, TV needs to grow up first." – Gohar Rasheed". The News on Sunday. Retrieved 26 July 2017.
Naqvi, Ahmer (21 September 2013). "Masala goes Boom Boom". ESPNCricinfo. Retrieved 26 July 2017.

Some of these refs may not be great, but they amount to something. The fact that he directed Bashar Momin (Pakistan's most expensive drama serial) and a sports-biographical film Main Hoon Shahid Afridi is quite notable as the references indicate. There is also reasonable coverage in Urdu sources including Dunya News, VOA Urdu, Daily Jang, Dawn Urdu, Express News, and Geo News which I could translate if you require; but most of them don't contain anything too different from what is available in English. I am fairly convinced that at least a stub-level article could be sustained with the above, and I've done up all the references for you :) Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

My bad. --Saqib (talk) 14:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib: I'm not faulting you. Or anyone for that matter. This was just to indicate the subject appears to have received coverage. But yes, we all ought to be careful when handling AfDs, and go the extra mile if it comes to finding sources. After all, creating content is more difficult than deleting. Kind regards, Mar4d (talk) 15:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I saw most of the news mentions, which made me pause and !vote 'Weak Keep' (which I didn't get in before SoWhy closed the AfD--Edit conflict), but what I didn't see is the Lux nomination sources that you have above. I believe he meets WP:CREATIVE (#3 and #4c) and have asked SoWhy to reopen the AfD. And making them all into references on top of it? You definitely deserve this tiny citation barnstar!

— Insert CleverPhrase Here 18:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: Thanks! I really appreciate that. Happy to see it helped... if I get the chance, I may try to rewrite that article in light of the info available. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 18:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Jinnahpur dubious content on Separatisn in Pakistan article

Hi just wondering if you could take a look at the new content added by an Indian editor who used some Indian sources and dubious allegations to add a new section called Jinnahpur in the article. Thanks. 82.132.222.68 (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

One last thing if Indians can add fringe movements which are now dead can we not add the thousands of small movements across India in their article of separatist movements in India? 82.132.222.68 (talk) 14:29, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Hassanally A. Rahman

Hello Mar4d. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Hassanally A. Rahman to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. ~ GB fan 11:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@GB fan: Noted. Thanks for fixing and letting me know. Mar4d (talk) 12:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pakistan Air Force sidebar

Template:Pakistan Air Force sidebar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 13:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Ministries

Hi Mar4d, there have been made some changes in the cabinet division. At Least five new federal ministries have been created. Would it be possible for you to fix the corresponding pages based on this source? --Saqib (talk) 08:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib: I'll see what I can do. Mar4d (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

On a side note, I want you to have a look at this section please. I think I have went too detailed.. do you think I have added some unnecessary stuff which needs to be cut down? --Saqib (talk) 18:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib: Looks reasonable to me for now, and updated. Should the article get too long or outdated in a few months, we can always revise or amend it in future. Or spin out sub-articles. Mar4d (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Revised History of Pakistan template

I took my Saturday off and decided to completely re-write Template:History of Pakistan. I'm almost certain the editor there (who I unfortunately have come to have known over the past few months) will revert my edits without any reason. If you remember correctly, the Overseas Pakistani article was also in the cross hairs of this particular editor who I will not name. Kindly let me know if my edits are acceptable. I have no problems with the template being edited again, but to revert the template to the previous one (which was extremely bad) would be criminal. I have also started a section in the talk page of the template article where I have given my reasons for editing. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 05:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@PAKHIGHWAY: As long as your expansion outlines all the main kingdoms and empires of the region, I see no reason why anyone would object. Thanks for leaving a note on the talk explaining your changes, that's always helpful. And by the way, the collapsible option really looks neat. I generally don't like uncollapsed templates as they take a lot of space. Mar4d (talk) 14:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Khalil Haider

Thanks Mar4d for helping me. I used your suggested website for improving this article today. I hope it's acceptable now? ...Ngrewal1 (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ngrewal1: No problem, glad to be of help. The AfD has been withdrawn. Mar4d (talk) 14:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

How to report a user(s)

I'm sorry to bother you, but I need some help in how to report a series of users controlled by the same person. This person is making really disruptive edits on the History of Sindh, Gandhara, Ror dynasty, Soanian, Riwat and Gandhara grave culture topics. These are the user IDs I've noted: User talk:2600:1001:B022:9456:78B8:AE85:6CBD:C2A, User talk:2600:1001:B00F:C83A:B021:8FCE:3046:6FB6, User talk:2600:1001:B129:1728:EC19:6226:642B:1B69, User talk:2600:1001:B00F:C83A:F571:B46C:2494:E2, User:2600:1017:b429:564c:9d19:4c33:46ce:2581 (This was blocked). Could you please take a look and let me know how to report this. I'm not sure if this goes under vandalism, sockpuppets or a simple complaint. Thank you --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@PAKHIGHWAY: You can try WP:SPI if you see IP/account misuse. If talk page discussion on these articles hasn't worked, you can also escalate your concerns at WP:ANI. Just be mindful that ANI would scrutinize both sides, that includes your editing as well. My advice to you would be to stay calm, avoid edit warring, and engage in a productive talk page discussion with the IP to reach a mutual compromise. Perhaps you are right in some aspects and the IP is right in other aspects; you don't need to insert a history template on every article (especially on short articles, where it clutters up the page format). Just the main articles are fine. This is not something worth being blocked over :) Cheers, Mar4d (talk) 04:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Pakistani article

Hello, Mar4d. I'm very sad with the results. I'm contributing to the Pakistani articles in one form or other but no one seems to recognize that. These kinds of words won't be helpful Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic Students Federation as said by Soman. If you think I should stop contibuting to Pakistani articles I will snow keep from now. Greenbörg (talk) 16:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. That should not let you be discouraged from editing however. Your recent article creations and submissions have been excellent, and I would urge you to keep that up. Regarding the AfDs, if you remember, I did leave a note on your talk some weeks back. An AfD is usually the last resort, when reference hunting and reliable search results on the subject have been exhausted, and it is proven beyond doubt that the subject is not notable. Several of your recent nominations did involve subjects which were demonstrated to have received coverage in a decent amount of reliable sources. Therefore from that point of view, it can be said those nominations were made in haste. Perhaps it is better for you to take a break from AfDing and focus on articles and general editing. It may help both you and the encyclopedia as your recent contributions show, and divert our time to constructive editing. Regards! Mar4d (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement. I'm already moving toward creating articles rather AfDing. Greenbörg (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure, and I look forward to your great contributions! Mar4d (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Category:Palestinian people of American descent has been nominated for discussion

Category:Palestinian people of American descent, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Huldra (talk) 22:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of PakTribune for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article PakTribune is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PakTribune until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Saqib (talk) 09:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Category:Qawwali songs

Hi! You recently added the category on Mere Rashke Qamar. Just asking if it is WP:SUPERCAT of Category:Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan songs? Similarly, most of the songs in previous category are of NFAK, isn't this repitition to add both categories? Thanks! M. Billoo 07:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: You are probably right, I didn't notice NFAK's category was already sorted into the Qawwali category. Mar4d (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Great job on Pakistani topics and others. An appreciation from a fellow Wikipedian. :-)--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 21:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks NadirAli. Mar4d (talk) 05:27, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

And hey thanks to you for your award! I never expected that. Gaining recognition on Wikipedia is a rarity nowadays.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 19:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Ali Hamza

Are you aware that the BLP Ali Hamza that you redirected to Noori is not the same person? ^{Atsme📞📧} 12:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme Ali Hamza was a redirect. Noori is a band, of which he is a member. Someone turned the redirect into an article on themselves. Mar4d (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

the BLP I wanted deleted is about a kid who was in the 5th grade in 2014. the Noori guy is a grown married man. Read the BLP. Not the same person so I'm not sure if a redirect is correct. ^{Atsme📞📧} 12:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Noori is not a guy, it's a band (please click that link). Its members are Ali Noor and Ali Hamza. Ali Hamza is supposed to be a redirect, not an article. Someone tried to hijack the redirect, I simply reverted it back. Not sure what is confusing about this? Mar4d (talk) 12:59, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I know it's a group. My concern, not my confusion, is that the redirect prohibits anybody else with that name from having an article. It is a rather common name, as is John Smith, but we don't redirect that name to a single BLP named John Smith, rather we dab it, or rename it with an identifier, such as John Smith (singer), etc. ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: That would be a concern if there were other namesakes of Ali Hamza who are notable and have an article. At the moment there are none (Ali Hamza Ahmad Sulayman al Bahlul comes close, but that's also an RD), so a DAB isn't necessary. The redirect should suffice for now. Anyway, I've filed a page protection request. Mar4d (talk) 13:34, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 September newsletter

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Revert

Hi Mate, I learned you reverted me on Superman Curse. Any reason why?--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@NadirAli: Damn it. I think I accidentally pressed the rollback button. Thanks for letting me know

Mar4d (talk) 04:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries. If you had a reason to do it, that's fine too. Just checking. No harm done.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 04:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

New pages

Hi, I've created two new pages, and highly revised another. Please proofread and contribute whatever else you can. New: Shrine of Mian Mir, Shrine of Bahauddin Zakariya Revised: Tomb of Shah Rukn-e-Alam

I previously also highly revised the Shah Jahan Mosque, Thatta, and the Makli Necropolis. If you have a chance, please look over those as well.

The quality of each page reflects the availability of information for each heritage site. If you have any suggestions for other page revisions/creation, please let me know. (and please ping me)

Thanks!Willard84 (talk) 00:50, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

@Willard84: Thanks for your contributions. Excellent work, your articles are always a great read. I'm particularly surprised that the Shrine of Bahauddin Zakariya did not have an entry. I'll be happy to go through and make any edits if needed. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 07:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for being helpful and encouraging to me over the years. Ngrewal1 (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ngrewal1: That is very kind of you. Thank you sir. Mar4d (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

City neighbourhoods vs housing authority names

Hi Mar4d, I'm back by the way. :D I was just wondering. I'm sort of noticing a trend on Wikipedia whereby the neighbourhood names of cities (especially in Karachi and Lahore) are being confused with the authority managing the locality. For example, nobody refers to Defence as "Defence Housing Authority"...rather Defence, Lahore is being managed by Defence Housing Authority. That would be like referring to London as the Greater London Authority. Sort of doesn't make sense...I know many sources online refer to Defence as "DHA", but technically it's wrong and I think we should make an effort to try and use the proper terminology. Furthermore, it just sounds horrible...I would never want to live in a place called "Defence Housing Authority" or "Askari Housing Authority" (even though everyone I know simply calls it Askari)...sounds like a ghetto to me. Anyhow, I have already re-directed Defence, Lahore and Defence, Islamabad-Rawalpindi. I'm just wondering, is this okay or do I have to request a move or something? I don't want to get banned again so I'm holding off Defence Karachi until I get a green light. Cheers. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Good to see you PAKHIGHWAY. Sure, WP:COMMONNAME is an acceptable reason to have a page renamed. However, in this case, you need to file a request at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_technical_requests with the reason provided. This is important because it preserves the page history and shows a record of the move. So the best way to go about this would be to restore the pages as they were and file away. Mar4d (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Good name listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Good name. Since you had some involvement with the Good name redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. PRehse (talk) 14:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Help

Hi! Have you heard of recent stabbing in Karachi, can this be created as a wikipedia page? I have tried to collect some info here: User:M.Billoo2000/sandbox/2017 knife attacks in Karachi. This is my first try on recent-crime-news-related-topics, so I am may be weak in it. Hope for your some help there, Thanks! M. Billoo 04:49, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

M.Billoo2000, sure if it has received coverage recurrently as a news item, it would be worth writing on. Mar4d (talk) 01:42, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Millat Gujarati

Assalamu alaykum Mar4d Saheb.

Do you know where I could find a working link to the website of the Pakistani Gujarati newspaper Millat? or what has happned to the publication in the recent years? --Lala khan (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lala khan: WS. I am not sure if it has a working website. However, it appears to still be in circulation along with another newspaper amongst Karachi's handful of Gujaratis. The following two articles may offer some perspective:

Parekh, Rauf (20 January 2017). "The Future of Gujarati Language in Pakistan". Dawn. Retrieved 9 October 2017.
Rehman, Zia Ur (18 August 2015). "With a handful of subbers, two newspapers barely keeping Gujarati alive in Karachi". The News. Retrieved 9 October 2017.

Regards, Mar4d (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Martial rape!

I see article on Rape in Pakistan and Marital rape in Pakistan as a redirect. Similarly, there is an article Rape in India and Marital rape in India was redirected and then nominated for deletion by a SPA & sockpuppet[2]. Can we nominate the redirect Marital rape in Pakistan for deletion as well? Any thoughts? --1.34.166.90 (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi. If you feel there is a good reason for a merger, you would need to start a discussion on the talk page. That being said, there are existing examples like Marital rape (United States law) and Marital rape immunity in Singapore, so there wouldn't be a reason why this one can't be expanded. However, if other users believe it is redundant, a merge can be carried out. Before any of that happens, I think the copyright tag on that article should be looked into, it has been there since August 2014. Mar4d (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Stop it please

Hello, Mar4d. It is to inform you that you are nothing but a user here. Don't try to be stupid by adding same message again and again per WP:Stupidity. Firstly, If you think I had done any wrong then you can raise it wherever you want to raise. Secondly, read WP:RESPECT and try to respect your fellow Wikipedians. Lastly, If you have any dispute with me then open up but stop pinging others again and again to fulfill your own wish per Wikipedia:Nobody cares. From today, I will try to avoid having any interaction with you and will continue to do what interests me. Also, Please stop following my edits around, I'm sure you mean well, but it feels like WP:STALKING. Hope this helps. Good bye. Greenbörg (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: I don't think this is really worthy of a response. Instead of acknowledging a longstanding issue raised by a fellow editor, you proceed to vent personal attacks on my talk. I am not sure what WP:RESPECT you want to maintain. I have no interest in "following" your edits, but please note that if I feel something is disruptive and damaging to the encyclopedia, I am well within my rights to raise it at an appropriate forum and I will. And unfortunately as embodied in this nasty message, I see exactly that. Mar4d (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Archiving Talk Pages

Hello again, Just wondering...how do you archive your personal talk page? I tried following the steps as noted, but they seem really confusing to me. Thank you. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@PAKHIGHWAY: I let a bot do my archiving, so it's automated. If you edit my talk, you will see the source template at the top under User:MiszaBot/config. Just copy the code over to yours, and it should do it for you. Mar4d (talk) 05:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

A few big issues

Dear Mar4d,

I have noticed something with the separatist movements of Pakistan page the gilgit balawaristan political group demands greater autonomy and is not a separatist group. Plus Jinnahpur is a small fringe movement so I am not sure why its getting this undue attention. Plus all these bew additions were by an Indian user. If you flick over to the Indian page on separatism they have removed bodoland etc based on it being a fringe movement hence the same should apply here whats your opinion? 2A02:C7D:151D:D100:556:883B:592C:EEA7 (talk) 09:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Sure, I will take a look at it, but it would also be good if you list any issues you find on the article's talk page so they can be reviewed. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 11:45, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Patriotic music listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Patriotic music. Since you had some involvement with the Patriotic music redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. f e minist 15:12, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Shia Islam in Pakistan

Kindly stop editing the page with adding weak references and advocating Sunni sect. All the edits are referenced and reliable in regards to Jinnah being Shia. http://www.thefridaytimes.com/24122010/page27.shtml https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_ixjgoyFA, words of your very own defense minister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-nxrLtbT0Y, Sunni Allama Tahir ul Qadri — Preceding unsigned comment added by SyedNaqvi1512 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@SyedNaqvi1512: The sectarian beliefs of Jinnah are widely debated, and something that does not have uniform consensus. See the main article of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. There are scholars of course who say that he lived as a Shia his whole life. There are then scholars who say that he moved closer to Sunni beliefs by the end of his life, or even accepted them. And then there are the majority of scholars who accept that he personally had no strong convictions about his sect and only self-identified as a Muslim. So the matter is not so black and white as you see. While I don't see any issue with him being listed on List of Pakistani Shia Muslims, given that he had a Shia background, I would be careful with singling him out for any particular sect affiliation. We need to consult and consider a broad spectrum of sources. Best, Mar4d (talk) 06:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for invitation of joining WP:Pakistan. I,m also working on Articles relating to Pakistan. ALIwaince 09:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

1947 genocide of Muslims in Jammu needs a seperate article

I think we need a seperate article named massacre of Muslims in Jammu 1947 as a smaller event in Mirpur has its own even though it much smaller. Plus the number of dead ranges from 20k to 237k not 100k which the Indians like to brandish. Not sure if your bothered but I have started a discussion about the huge amounts of diverting information unrelated to this event and one user saffron in the talk page is evidence of the religous agenda behind adding unrelated massacres to dilute the jammu massacres please join discussion. There is seperate articles for mirpur yet people want to add huge swathes of texts to justify the genocide in Jammu. 2A02:C7D:151D:D100:7871:7BC2:3DB8:7A1C (talk) 08:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Possibly also one for the hidden Hyderabad genocide of Muslims in 1948 since the Indians have tried so hard to suppress such news its our duty to expose them bro. 2A02:C7D:151D:D100:7871:7BC2:3DB8:7A1C (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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List of federal agencies of Pakistan

If you're aware where the departments under the "Other" category belong, can you place them in the appropriate ministries? I did it as much as I could find. Thanks. --110.93.236.75 (talk) 02:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

A bit of help

Hi I just wanted to ask you if you would kindly review my edits on 1947 Mirpur massacre some editors are trying to remove sourced edits which provide a broader picture of events that led to the Mirpur events. 2A02:C7D:151D:D100:D9D2:14B8:A868:91FD (talk) 11:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	I admire the way you handle Pakistan-related 'larger big picture' issues on Wikipedia Discussion Forums. It must be stressful. Hang in there, you are a soldier for the rest of us. Ngrewal1 (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ngrewal1: Thank you, it means a lot. All the best and kind regards, Mar4d (talk) 09:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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FYI, I think it is the timing of your revert that is ill-timed. There is no rule imposing mandatory blanking of material. You've already been asked multiple times to restrain from unilateral actions on that article with regards to content removal, whilst there are concerns present on the talk page, and you already know this. And I hope you'll not use this as a cover to undo edits by other contributors, which has been happening a lot recently. Also, FWIW, there's no issues with the sources used in that edit. So if you actually have any genuine concerns, you'd be better of raising them on talk or RSN. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 16:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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@Anomalocaris: Updated. Thank you. Mar4d (talk) 00:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Yousaf Jan Utmanzai deletion

Since you're a very active Pakistani wikiuser I think it would be nice to have your opinion on this articles deletion entry please. Thanks Saadkhan12345 (talk) 17:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Category:Jewish Emirati history

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Kulbhushan Jadhav

I have vetted the citations in the lead section of Kulbhushan Jadhav and have only kept the ones which correspond to the text in it. I have removed the ones not needed in the lead section (this section should not include citations ideally) and that are duplicate. Gotitbro (talk) 00:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Mar4d, I hope this message find you well. The Policies_and_initiatives section of the BLP on incumbent PM Abbasi has been considerably expanded since you last edited it. This is my first time contributing to aBLP on a sitting Prime Minister so I am not really sure what information warranted and what is redundant. Could you possiblly take some time to look at the section and advice if it is moving in right direction or should I chop some passages down? Thanks --Saqib (talk) 13:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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