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DYK for Putsy Caballero

Updated DYK query On February 27, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Putsy Caballero, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 18:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I'm trying to fill out the roster of the Whiz Kids. Three more to go. By the by, I've been considering putting the project in for an application for a special edition WikiProject Triple Crown. I figured you would have the requirements on articles within the project, but I didn't see any baseball-related GAs on your userpage. Am I wrong? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
  • I just got 2009 World Series, actually forgot to add it! That completes one, at least. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

File:PutsyCaballero.jpg

Sorry to say, but I believe this image fails fair use requirements. First off, you need the actual fair use template on the page along with the justification, but that's a small thing. Reading from Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Images_2 however: "A magazine or book cover, to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover." Staxringold talkcontribs 23:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that's criterion 8, and it doesn't apply here, as I haven't used any cover images or copyrighted portions of other images (this isn't like an SI cover or something like that). The most pertinent criterion under the "Unacceptable use" section here is "Images 12", which states that "for some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable". I trust your judgment, Stax, and if you think it's not going to fly, then by all means nominate it for deletion. I happen to think that it meets all 10 of the fair-use criteria and would be validated under the above-mentioned criterion, as Caballero's notability is strongly linked to the fact that he was the youngest player ever to appear at third base (as per the DYK) and that his picture shows him at that point in his career. As to the template: I didn't see one on any of the other fair-use baseball player images I viewed, but I may just not have been looking in the right place. I don't know which template is needed, so if you could tell me, I'll gladly add it. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Dodgers FLC

I figured it out. I had misunderstood that Orioles signing. Back then (and perhaps still now, the source for the 06-11 agreement says you get one for first and second rounders, doesn't mention supp. round) you didn't get compensation for supp. round picks. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Got it. If you've got a minute, mind casting an eye over the ERA champs? I'm going to look at the HR champs tonight; I just don't have time to read all of the previous reviews at work! KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:32, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The Royals didn't work, but when I saw it I fixed the Phillies. You'll have to hardcode any digits less than 10. Try sorting it more than once (like four times) and then you should see the issue. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Gunsmoke episodes

Thanks for all the help.

It would take quite a while to watch all the episodes of the series. I have no plans to do this even if I could. I am, however, somewhat curious to find out how many bad guys Marshall Dillon gunned down in the line of duty. Must be in the hundreds. Oh well, it's only a TV show. Jimknut (talk) 19:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Request

Hey. I hate asking stuff like this since I know people are busy and you've got a lot to do at FLC, but would you be able to review Nick Adenhart over at FAC? I'm worried it might fail for inactivity (which has happened before) and your GA review so far on Branyan's been impressive so I know you would give a good review of the article. If you can't then that's fine. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I will try to give it a look this evening if I can; I've got to give the next tranche of comments on Branyan first and if I can get to it while I'm still in "review mode", I will. Never feel put out to ask me for a review; if I can't do it, I'll be straightforward with you but I'm happy to help out if I can. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Per your request: review completed. Hope I could help out. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Concerns on Adenhart mostly addressed, made a couple comments for you to check. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:12, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh-huh, was already doing it. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I placed it in FAC today, want to comment and copyedit it. Thanks Secret account 13:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I did the copyedit; I will comment at the actual FLC after I finish the GA review for Climax Series this weekend. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

MLB awards FT

Well done! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Gotta get around to presenting my special edition award now! KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Award moved to here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Dickin medal

I've responded to your comments at the FLC by the way, so before you go crazy celebrating, go see the lovely animals!! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Will do. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Cole Hamels

Help me out here because I think pointing out the ways Hamels was basically the same pitcher is important.

Is the problem the inference made from the stats being written instead of them merely being put down for the reader to infer for themselves what they mean? Because it's not like there's any support given for why wins or ERA should be put down.

How should DIPS research be incorporated? I simply linked to the Wikipedia article on DIPS. 71.115.203.23 (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

If others have said that Hamels "was the same pitcher", then we can report it as encyclopedic. If not, it's original research and shouldn't be included. Continuing to re-insert original research could be considered vandalism. Please stop. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
You didn't answer my question. Also, which part of the last revision had an inference? It was a list of statistics with a link to their location. There was already a list of statistics that were used to show just one side of the picture of Hamles's 2009. 71.115.203.23 (talk) 22:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I did indeed answer your question, unless you're referring to the one on DIPS research, which isn't a mainstream method of baseball analysis. The wins are ERA are mainstream statistics, which is why they are listed. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Can you point me to where relevant information can only be listed if it's mainstream? I wasn't aware of that. 71.115.203.23 (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
WP:UNDUE. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I read that. And I disagree that sabermetrics is such a small minority that it should not be represented in the argument in the interest of neutrality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.203.23 (talk) 02:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Please do not twist or misconstrue my words. I did not say that sabermetrics are a small minority. DIPS, in particular, is a fringe statistic and doesn't need to be included here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
How is that determined? 71.115.203.23 (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
The guidelines at WP:UNDUE are pretty clear, particularly "in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public". "Prevalence in reliable sources", in this case, means the presence and usage of the statistic within the entire body of reliable sources (including books, websites, etc.), not just within sabermetric sources. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I disagree that it's pretty clear, but that's beside the point at the moment. What determines a reliable source? 71.115.203.23 (talk) 03:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
DIPS is not a fringe statistic. All the major sabermetric sites include their own variants, and the ideas behind DIPS form an important part of the analysis done at those sites. Those include Baseball Prospectus, The Hardball Times, FanGraphs, and Tom Tango's blog (an offshoot of his book which is currently #5 on Amazon in the area of baseball statistics). Even ESPN (which is a mainstream as it gets in American sports) includes content from the likes of Tango and Baseball Prospectus...some of which includes DIPS. Great, revolutionary research has been done in this area in the last decade, and it is most certainly not placing undue weight to include DIPS in a baseball article.Mickeyg13 (talk) 03:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
It should also be pointed out that certain DIPS statistics are listed on ESPN and mentioned on the MLB Network. I don't want to get ahead of myself before establishing what determines reliable source, though.71.115.203.23 (talk) 03:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Hey thanks, I've had quite a bit a school and haven't been around for a while. I'm on spring break this week so I was hoping to do something. Don't think I have any DYKs, I'll let you know if I get any. Any big project plans in the works for this season? blackngold29 00:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, right now, Staxringold and I are working on a new featured topic (Major League Baseball Triple Crown), and of course there's the goal of taking 2010 Philadelphia Phillies season to GA eventually, and I'm also working on completing the redlink articles on the roster of the Whiz Kids. Those are my main goals at the moment. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Pirates 1890

From the 1942 Sporting News Baseball Guide: "No Smoky City club ever had a nickname until 1890. Then the team, which lost 113 games while winning only 23, was tagged the Innocents -- apparently being innocent of victorious aspirations. In 1890, during the off-season, Pittsburgh owners signed second baseman Louis Bierbauer, whom the bankrupt Athletic club of Philadelphia had forgotten to reserve. The Pittsburgh club became known as the Pirates, in reference to so-called "pirating" of players." That was obviously not their own nickname, but some sort of media tag. I wouldn't be surprised if they were called "Infants" also. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I just go by Baseball-Reference, except when it comes to calling the Phillies the Blue Jays, which I've found refuted in multiple reliable sources. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Those were unofficial nicknames anyway - as were most of them originally. If the nicknames stuck around and became synonymous with the team, then they became official. "Pirates" started out as what the Athletics and/or the Philadelphia newspapers called them, and it not only stuck, it rendered "Innocents" or "Infants" obsolete as a nickname. Coincidentally, the AL version of the Athletics (and the AL in general) would be dubbed "White Elephants" by McGraw, except the A's embraced that insult and have worn an elephant on their uniforms ever since. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Uh-huh, I love the White Elephants nickname; it strikes me as akin to a European soccer nickname like The Magpies or The Hoops. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The Brooklyn Dodgers also started out as making some fun of Brooklyn as a whole being "Trolley Dodgers". And as you probably known, "Phillies" is just a shorter way of saying "Philadelphias". They're the "Philly Phillies". I think some papers used to call them the "Fillies" just to be funny. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Indeed they did. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thanks for taking an interest in a very niche baseball topic and helping me out with my hyphen problems, among other things. If you ever need another pair of eyes, drop me a line. See you around! --TorsodogTalk 19:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much; I appreciate it! Good work on that article! KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review opened

Hello, this is a note to let you know I've opened the GA review on Putsy Caballero. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 08:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Another request for any of your free time

Heyo! I know you've got several things on the fire, so don't take time away from those things. However, if you have a moment and wouldn't mind helping me with the data entry of ABs at List of Major League Baseball home run champions, that'd be hugely helpful. Working on the AL right now, but the NL will obviously be that task and more. That's really the only thing left before FL status for that sucker (I see you're almost done with the wins list, I've barely started on RBIs sadly). Staxringold talkcontribs 20:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that source error. I thought it was odd, few things I found said the NA was a recognized league. Also, you've got to remove mentions of the National Association from the table, note, and Spalding image caption with that shift. Staxringold talkcontribs 00:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I fixed one that was broken, but they will only take you back if the game log is open (the month too). Penalty for hidden boxes, I suppose. I'd like to see what you would do with a Yankees season as long as it doesn't turn into this travesty. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Napoleonic Triple Crown

Well done for hitting a home run on so many baseball articles to WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC, with a well-deserved Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown upon Killervogel5. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Accidental rollback

No problems at all; I've done the same a few times when looking at my watchlist on my iPhone. Clearly a sign that my fingers are too fat, or my display is too small, or my eyesight is too awful to contemplate! Regards, BencherliteTalk 20:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

If you need something to do as penance, I can suggest something to look at, which is along the lines of something you've looked at in the past... BencherliteTalk 20:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Tom Gordon

Well technically I didnt change anything in the article to say he is retired. I just added his last MLB appearence which can easily be removed if he signs with a team, which at 42, coming off poor play and injuries is doubtful. I have also seen a few articles that have referred to him as former Major League Baseball player. So thats pretty much why I made these edits.--Yankees10 18:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Right, I saw that you just changed the infobox, but it was my understanding that "last game" is the last game of the career, not the last game played. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Wait what? Isnt that the same thing?--Yankees10 18:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The last game of the career is the same as the last game played, but unless you know he's retired, he may not have played his "last game" yet. That's why I was asking if you'd seen a source, because I haven't. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict, re: Yankees10) Not exactly. See Mariano Rivera, for example, has no last game listed because he's still active. While it's true the "last game" can be changed, the very title last game makes it sound like he's retired and that's the last one he'll ever play. Staxringold talkcontribs 18:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
He most likely wont ever play again, but you can remove the final date I guess. I cant seem to find the article that says he is a former player, but who knows it could have been a mistake by the writer, because I cant find anywhere that says he is retired either, although some players dont announce a retirement.--Yankees10 19:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Heyo

Sorry I'm so slow in keeping pace with the Triple Crown work. Right now working on List of San Diego Padres first-round draft picks in my sandbox. Have an excellent DYK hook (that can include a picture). Staxringold talkcontribs 23:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Good hook. Like it. And no prob on the TC; I was very busy for a while too. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for List of Major League Baseball wins champions

Updated DYK query On March 30, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Major League Baseball wins champions, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

hi

Hey. Here, I think you mean to say keep, but since it is not in bold on the left hand side (if that is what you mean to say), the closer might miss it, so I'm alerting you .... just in case you wanted to register a !vote. best.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Nobel Prize FA

Hey,

I noticed you are a member of the WikiProject Awards. I have just nominated Nobel Prize for FA and I would love to have some comments or support on the nomination page. Since you are in the same project I hoped you could check it out perhaps? --Esuzu (talk • contribs) 22:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

WP Baseball in the Signpost

WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Baseball for a Signpost article to be published April 5. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, feel free to share this with them. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jocko Thompson

Updated DYK query On April 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jocko Thompson, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 00:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Minnesota Twins

Aside from the POV part, the editor made at least one glaring error, as the 2001 D-Backs also won all 4 of their home games in that World Series, while losing the 3 in New York. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

They never pay attention, do they? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
What does that mean, "they never pay attention"? Yes, it was an error, as I should have said the first two times, instead of the only two times, but it was and is a big deal, regardless of the error. Anyway. So who are the "they" to which I apparently belong, and to what is it that I am not paying attention? 98.71.245.241 (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

From my talk page

Asking me to "be more careful" was truly unnecessary in this edit summary. I didn't have a problem with just one of your edits; I had an issue with all of them because they were mostly unreferenced, and the breaking-up of the paragraph wasn't really necessary. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well fine then, but you should know I'm a poor mind reader. I could only tell about the POV objection because that's all you mentioned, and, as I said, it was a good point on your part. And I think the issue is corrected now, thanks to your observation. 98.71.245.241 (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

More Twins

"Original research" doesn't quite do justice to that amusing, gushy little paragraph. "Crystal ball gazing" and "Pure hype" are more like it. They are now 4-1 on the new season. Get the champagne ready! :) I hear champagne goes well with walleye-on-a-stick. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

You gotta do what you gotta do... KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I betcha the Phillies don't serve walleye-on-a-stick. Even now I can hear you drooling with envy. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Salivating... really... KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
At 11 dollars a stick, they should include a tag indicating what percentage of that 11 dollars is going toward Joe Mauer's salary. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd say about $9.89 plus tax. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, probably 9.89 to help pay for Mauer and 1.11 to help pay for the stadium. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Well, at least so far, the Twins are not floundering. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the Mauer contract was quite a catch. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
If they win the World Series, it will be worth it. Yah, shoor, yoo betcha! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Jocko Thompson

Hi, I have reviewed Jocko Thompson and placed it on hold for seven days with several small concerns. You can see my review here: Talk:Jocko Thompson/GA1. Canadian Paul 01:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Roy Halladay

Hi there. Why I added this photo to the article is because you disregard the files uploaded to the Commons. You've uploaded many files to the English language Wikipedia so far, and I've moved those to the Commons. If you upload this photo to the English language Wikipedia, it will be a waste of time and effort. So I added it to let you know that you don't need upload this file to the English language Wikipedia. On this occation, I say that you should upload files to the Commons.

Incidentally, I request you to delete File:BrandonWebb.jpg. I had uploaded File:Brandon Webb bunting.jpg to the Commons on October 28, 2009, already. But 4 months later, you uploaded equal file to English language Wikipedia. You should take responsibility because you uploaded the duplicate image and are an administrator. Thanks. --UCinternational (talk) 03:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The rationale you just provided for replacing a superior image with a decidedly inferior one (because I upload images here rather than to Commons) is a poor one at best. My uploading of images here rather than at Commons has nothing to do with the quality of images available. Users are not required to upload at Commons, and since I only rarely visit Commons, I do my uploading here.
On another note, I would appreciate it if you scaled back your accusatory tone ("I say that you should upload files to the Commons"; "You should take responsibility because you uploaded the duplicate image") and belittling of others' work ("it will be a waste of time and effort"). Everyone has different ways of operating, and one way is not better than the other, so please respect the work of other users.
As to the Brandon Webb image, I can't delete it without discussion, as it's not a bit-for-bit copy (I happen to prefer the uncropped version, which is why I uploaded it to begin with). KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:47, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandal

An IP Adress (70.48.216.248) has made some vandal edits, and I know youre an admin, so if you could, please block this guy. BLUEJAYSFAN32 (TALK|JAYS) 19:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


Albert Pujols

Do you mean the stat box debate? What should my eyes look for? Staxringold talkcontribs 23:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

  • Not yet, but keep an eye out should be up by later tonight. Very cool on Jocko, are you going for an eventual giant Whiz Kids topic like "The Incredibles" or whatever it was one with cricket recently promoted? And also sorry again about being so slow with the next Triple Crown (MLB, not Alexander the Great... :) ) list. The data entry crushes my soul after a while, so I've taken a quick detour into these DYKs and GAs. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


Garret Anderson

the Garret anderson page that im being accused of vandalism for is a valid claim just as valid as any other info on that page why am i being bothered with this and not spanneraol???? this is ridiculous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.209.107 (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Procedural note: I moved this to keep chronology per WP:TALK. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I issued a lev-4 warning; I don't watch this page, but let me know if he does it again and I can block the IP for a longer period of time. I don't know how much effect the last block really had, but we'll see. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of 1920s jazz standards/archive1

Needs a revisit. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, when you get the time Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of San Diego Padres first-round draft picks/archive1 needs a review. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Minnesota Twins uniforms

They do seem to be kind of a cream or off-white this year,[1] maybe because the pure white would practically glare in the sun. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Still, it's not official. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm unable to find an "official" list of various team's colors on MLB.COM. In any case, I wouldn't even characterize the uniforms as cream, but more like an off-white. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
An editor introduced some new team colors on March 29, including the "cream" home team variation. I don't know what that editor's source is:File:ALC-Uniform-MIN.PNG ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
That is an alternate uniform; those were introduced over the offseason. I did see them. Same applies with the Phillies, though; their alternate is off-white or cream, but it's not a team color. Just a variant on an old uni. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Any idea where there's an "official" source for colors? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I usually consider SSUR to be authoritative as a secondary source, as they're dedicated to the very purpose of defining a team's colors, and that page does a good job of breaking it down by what's a uniform color, what's temporary, what's commemorative, what's a logo color only, etc. As to a primary source from MLB, that likely doesn't exist, but the shop claims to sell products in the "official team colors". KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
That's probably the best we can do, then, short of placing a phone call to the team itself. Alternative uniforms are often not necessarily the team's colors, and road uniforms typically include a predominant gray or similar color that's certainly not a team color. It's possible the sort-of-cream color uniform was adopted as an occasional "throwback" reference to the 1960s. They wore that on opening day, and wore solid blue shirts the next day. Things used to be much simpler: one set for home, one for road. That was before the marketers took over. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Even coming from someone who works in marketing, I agree wholeheartedly. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hard telling who to blame this phenomenon on, although a reasonable candidate would be Charlie Finley in the late 60s, when he started making a big deal about uniform variants. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Today it's bright and sunny at Target Field, and the Twins again are wearing those off-white or cream-color uniforms. I've got a hunch we're going to be seeing those more often than just an "alternate". It will be interesting to watch and see. But I think they're wearing them during day games simply because their pure white that they've worn in the Dome would be too bright for TV on days like this. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Game just ended, with another Twins win, and if they keep playing this well they will probably end up on the cover of Sports Illustrated, which should bust their balloon. If these cream-colored uniforms become a regular thing, I would expect to see them starting to turn up in the team catalog at some point. Although it's also possible that the club actually considers them to be "white". We'll see, as the season progresses. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And on an equally bright and sunny day on Sunday, the Twins wore their standard pure white. So there's no figuring it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Domonic Brown

Updated DYK query On April 24, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Domonic Brown, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


Regarding information removed

here - it was added by one of my students as part of the assignment (they are supposed to add a constructive edit to a page of their choice). I support your removal, of course, but I have a favor to ask - could you explain to the student why the information was removed (and why some of it was kept), so they can learn from their mistakes? Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I responded by leaving a message at your student's talk page. While I'm not particularly a fan of using Wikipedia as a social experiment, regardless of the outcome, I was a teacher myself and I know how important it is for both teachers and students to have feedback. Cheers! — KV5 • Talk • 02:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Btw, I am not using Wikipedia as a social experiment - I am using it as part of the well estabilished WP:SUP WikiProject (and as for WP:SUP being an experiment, speaking only for my classes, the students contributed ~10 Good Articles). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm aware of the project. I still think it's a form of social experimentation. But that's just my personal opinion. Good luck with your class! — KV5 • Talk • 02:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I'll agree with you to the extent that Jimbo said himself [Wikipedia is] "a grand social experiment" :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

KV5 - Thank you for your edit. I will attempt in the future to keep my edits a bit more objective. I attempted yet again to bring light of the mascot issue on the Warwick High School page. I think it is much more objective - check it out and see to it that it is to your liking. As far as this mumbo jumbo about the "social experiment," what do you disagree with?AngGor (talk) 02:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It's just my opinion, nothing more. I don't consider it "mumbo jumbo", however, so maybe you should redact that. — KV5 • Talk • 03:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I understand that it is just your opinion. I was asking you to elaborate. I'll definitely read your link. Maybe then I can site it as my own personal experience. Did you attend Warwick High School and/or teach there? I graduated in 2006. AngGor (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding this, perhaps the content could be restored with a template {{unreferenced-section}} added? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
If I thought that was appropriate, I would have done it. The topic is controversial, so I removed it instead. — KV5 • Talk • 11:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, it seems you're a bit of an idiot. It happened, and I managed to find quite a few sources. As soon as I figure out just how to cite it properly, I assure you I will be doing quite a few changes to the Warwick High School page. Get a life, KV5. If you disagree with Wikipedia being a social experiment when it is obvious that it is undeniably just that, perhaps you should remove yourself from it. Have a nice day, friend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AngGor (talk • contribs) 17:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Mascot

KV5 - I apologize for any harsh words. I hope you find my edit to your liking now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AngGor (talk • contribs) 17:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Let me apologize for my student. Learning wikiquette is not easy, and I just spent several minutes explaining WP:NPA to her. Please accept our apologies. Thank you for your work, and I hope this won't happen again. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
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